Does smart:EQ3 make mixing easier?
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- Опубликовано: 4 май 2021
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Anything that speeds up the mixing process and gets the intended results is a thumbs up.
IDK what that actual Dutch word was, but based on the context and your delivery I'ma say the best translation would be "obstinate". "Stubborn" has more of a negative connotation, like you dig in just to be defiant. Obstinate is more of a resistance born from a confidence in what you know, and being willing to stick with it even when pressured from the outside 😊
This guy
You nailed it! Obstinate
True. English is not my native language. Maybe I should've added "In a playful way" to it. Thanks for clarifying!
I'd go for contrarian, doing something just because you were told to do the opposite
Contrarian
4:55 For those who are wondering what he was saying: It was the Dutch word for stubborn.
thank you so much. I was just about to ask a friend of mine who's from Holland what that means hahaha
@@TonyMacaroni69_ You're welcome! I sometimes search foreign words up in Google, but yeah, you have to know how that word is written. Which for Dutch words isn't easy.
@@casimirdekkers-newtrackout691 exactly haha
I like to think of our boy here as a classic contrarian. Kind of why his channel is often worth the time. New takes
Ornery is good old word that might fit here
Seems a nice tool to someone like me, a composer that what's to spend more time creating music and spend less time mixing. Can help to improve the workflow. I will try it out for sure.
A competition video between Izotope Neutron vs the sonibal smart eq would be cool.
I would love that😎
Anything that helps me save time is welcome to me.
This is the go to toy for vocals, I think I've saved literal months in man hours on choir layering alone
Every time I’m looking for reviews on a certain plugin If I see your face I click it I love your honesty
off topic but i just wanted to let you know that i always aprecciate your videos and also your work as musician and content creator. Keep going greetings from Germany much love
This looks insanely good. I can not wait to try it out
I tried it yesterday..so good..
It was a * smart * move to give this guy a chance to take a test and a video of their plugin. It seems that the intelligence in their company is not just in their plugins. It is a pleasant surprise to have immediately tested this plugin by this channel, thanks!
Still, a lot of companies do not want to take the risk 😅
Cos they know they sprinkled some amout of snake oil here and there xD
@@Whiteseastudio that's how you know the weak ones :P
Great review! I think a smart eq would be a great learning tool for me, will definitely check this one out :)
theres a lot of assumptions that this is a one-click plugin, but really it requires the same sense as any other EQ. It will give you a starting point, and then you need to fine-tune with the same knowledge and skills for any other EQ.
Just tried it after watching this video. Reeeeeally good. Trying for 30 days and then buying it for sure.
Most crucial plugin I have ever bought. Get it guys!!
That track you used was amazing btw!
I have smart:EQ2. Very happy with it but this is truly on another level! #1 example, comparison of 3 tracks and the adjustment. OK! Out with the credit card! By the way, keep doing your excellent work!
Pretty fair upgrade, about a third of the full cost. €30 or $40 etc.
Man, "Sandstorm" is such a classic track. You notice something new every time you listen to it.
No no no dude, it's because it's a different track every time.
@@kevinschmidt7124 Hogwash! Blasphemy! Codswallop!
@@UltromanTheTacoman no it's true , I'm pretty sure of it
@@kevinschmidt7124 Poppycock! Balderdash! Tommyrot!
so here's my thing, and it's just a thing that works for me in getting results i can live with. if i have to do massive corrections in EQ (lots of moves and/or big moves) then i probably screwed up the sound. now yeah, i'm working on my own garbage, and that when you work on a client session, you probably don't have that kind of opportunity. but i just finished mixing an EP and i fully adopted that thought process that if i find myself fighting the sounds with EQ, then i should find a better sound, get a better performance (out of myself) etc. so..... while this plugin is very clever, it kind of goes counter to the way i (and many others) think about EQ, in making sure to get the right sound (that works in the mix with only minor adjustments) at the source.
Insane plugin.. I'm very impressed
i upgraded my V2 to smart:EQ3 a few hours ago. for my tv work (voice overs from several voice talents) it does a pretty good job in identifying and dampening room resonances… for ME, it saves a considerable amount of time. i like it : )
How do you upgrade? Or where do I go to do this?
Their Frei:raum or Proximity EQ with the proximity function are gold for this purpose. I found the EQ2 without this feature less useful so on the fence about upgrading when the 1 is way more useful to me than the 2 already.
@@ryde2012 i had bought smart:EQ2 in sonible's april sale (€49), and yesterday i got an email with an offer to upgrade to V3 for €29 (actually it was €28,76 including VAT). i was able to upgrade via my sonible user account. i don't know if they offer reduced upgrade prices to users who bought the V2 license earlier than i have… perhaps you find something in your user account as well.
@@jfilbert i see your point.
i had tried Frei:raum and Proximity a while ago but couldn't get the desired results… but i have to admit that, at the time, the acoustical problems in the recording booth might have been to severe (just foam absorbers and some diffusion). it took my a stunningly long time to realize that the cure was to not spend more money on more plugins (i had bought soothe2 and others already) but to save some bucks and gradually upgrade the acoustic treatment :-)
now, with vastly improved room treatment, smart:EQ3 does a good job for me. i had paid €49 for V2 in the april sale and now €29 for the upgrade to V3, so i also saved a few euros compared to the V3 intro offer of €89 (at least that's what the email i received yesterday said). i get better results now with V3 than with V2, but maybe i didn't try hard enough with the earlier version.
@@brusecco thanks for the info appreciated, I managed to get the upgrade from plugin boutique £29 👍🏾💯
*"It's kind of weird that this thing most of the time knows what I want to do."*
Great AI's think alike! 😂
I love the demo so much. High resolution sounding & easy to use. Sadly it messed up my leads and gave tons of low end, that i codent seem to repair manually so idont think its an EQ for me though. Will be trying demos of Gullfoss & Neutron 3 later though & stack it against the obvious Fabfilter Q3. Ohh i just want to mention Masteringthemix'es Mixroom, coz ifeel it helps me with a slight hint of balance on like every synth i slap it on which makes for a usable plugin in my book 👍
Very good and "in the pocket" demonstration of the layers. The other videos about smart EQ 3 are not convincing up to now.
AI technology is only as good as the training data that was put into it. I think with enough refinement and human tweaking of the mixing algorithm it may reach a point where it can become pretty impressive, but this is also scary at the same time.
Nah, it's like when machines were introduced in the manufactoring processes. It cuts time and personnel, but they still need humans for activation/processing and final decision-making. Only untrained mixing engineer would use these tools without critical thought and the inexperience will show anyway regardless of which AI tool they used
It’s only scary when you mystify it, believe it has some kind of it’s own consciousness. But it doesn’t. When you know that it’s built by humans and how it works, that it’s just a smarter way of putting together code, comparing frequencies and how the results turn the knobs, its just another plugin. In 10 years you will say “lol this is a joke” but at the moment it’s advanced. It doesn’t make decisions on its own, based on feelings, like humans. Its just a complex calculator. The only thing that’s “smart” about it is the people that made it.
I love the idea of inverting to hear what frequencies are being reduced.
The A.I. is used to find the best mix for each waveform, by comparing your waveforms to the waveforms it was trained on, and for each of their waveforms they've made presets which it blends once it has found the waveforms it resembles. That's the simplified version and there are many ways to do it. Some A.I. is literally a black box that's trained to categorize things, while others are more adjustable, and each have their own strengths and weaknesses. This, I expect is a black box, but it is used in layers, so its usefulness is multiplied.
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Seems like an (truly) amazing plugin!!
Amazing that people froth at the mouth over it. It's not very good really.
@@oinkooink I own it and it´s amazing and if you don´t think so my guess is you can´t mix properly.
@@michaelwirth6843 Ooooh shots fired!
Just because engineers didn't use something that wasn't available doesn't make that thing useless. It just means we can do better with digital than we could with analog.
Awesome man! Ty
The *listener's* EQ curve will be influenced by the frequency response of their speakers and by room acoustics.
Where as, the plugin will generate a curve based on analysing the data not the actual audio. If you compare the two EQ curves, they shouldn't look the same because they're not actually correcting the same frequencies.
Good stuff!
Whoa amazing
Great ! Just upgraded ;)
Don't know if it's possible on 3 but would be nice to have a zero or low latency option that could "freeze" the eq once you are happy.
看起来真不错，我也想要买一个去了
Would a plugin like this help in a live jamming environment? As in, load up 16 channels with this plugin on each channel, load up a profile for each channel, then walk away and play my instruments while the smart eq does its magic? Working on a template for my streaming jamsessions, this looks like it could help out with that...!
hey, this plugin is cool but some how I still go for my stock EQ and compressor in Studio One even though I have the waves bundle. I do use the was plugins more for color :)
Right clicking on the tumb and then on "+" gives you an extra band! So you can seperate low and high processing!
And you'll need to do this A LOT because the ai decisions it makes are usually way, way off.
To me it looks like they implemented things that gullfoss doesn't have. Many useful things. E.g. a full parametric eq, of course the possibility to have a low-/highcut and the very helpful group-option. Have to test a little bit more. Looks very very good👍
Die Gruppen Funktion ist der Hammer.. So kann man ein Lead Vocal einfach mal auf die schnelle einem 2 Track beat anpassen und das klingt echt verdammt gut..
First time seeing you smiling! :-)
Sonible eq is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aaah shit man. I already have Sonible Balancer and it's already so good. But this group feature looks like it would actually justify getting the real deal now.
Sonible is my secret weapon :)
From my testing, it appears the universal preset profile in Smart EQ3 at 100% is close to -4.5db/oct noise, with some slight differences. Eyeing it approximately, I see a slight 2db bump in the lows up to 400hz, a slight 2db dip from 1.5hz to 8hz, then another pump starting 8hz and peaking 3db at 15hz. I suspect this was determined in part by analyzing the spectral profile of a large number of pop songs. Unfortunately, as of April, Sonible is not no longer offering their simplified auto EQ plugin Balancer as a free download. Although lacking almost all the customization features, besides the level of mix, there were a couple of things I like more than the full version--less Cpu intensive and the ability to easily choose Warm, Neutral, and Bright spectrums.
I think you missed part of the point, the group hierarchy is designed to remove clashing frequencies between tracks to clean up tracks behind vocals and leads also there is a bypass button!
I had smarteq2 and love it. I’m surprise you haven’t put it in your toolbox yet.
Would also have been cool to see this on a track that has some actual issues. But cool video!
Edit: Yeah, of course. Sorry. You did that for version two already.
Spectral EQ can help a lot in genres like Industrial or experimental Electronica to combine sounds, that generally won`t fit to something new. But I think, that's more a goal of Spectral Layers or else. Think about 20 Hz by Capricorn, a record you could't remix in another smart way.
Irritating that Sonible convinced me to buy 2 just weeks ago, now 3 is here. But I may as well be pissing in the wind as thats just how things go. I’m impressed with groups enough to upgrade tbh. They give you great starting points, while you retain the ability to alter it how you like (even allowing you to do the opposite of the suggested curve, which is useful for getting a clear idea of what it’s cutting). Good demo.
That actually seems useful.
Great for demos i reckon
Can you review "Smooth Operator" And suggest the best way to use it?
Thank You! Please make a video on SoundRadix PI!
Huuummm useful ruff mix eq and general time saver... it’s not a cure all but it’s good immune booster (adding snake oil now)
Why doesn't this EQ process at least 16 channels or more ?? Imagine someone that incorporates a lot of instrument tracks or that does scores for classical symphonies. Six tracks won't be enough. I guess the future always seems to be better than the present. Unfortunately, the future is taking too long to get here in most things in life. Lets go Sonible. Give people those extra tracks they need to be processed through AI.
Hello, what's the difference between spectral eq-ing and the "other" I don't really understand, thank you :)
Basically its always EQ matching in real time. Thumbs up
Hey WSS i think maybe you should be on the development panel for smart eq 4 👍🏽💯
"Yeah, you can save states... Oh, up to 8... That's actually really cool for A/C/D/E/F/G-ing"
That was hilarious
I had to count on my fingers to see if it was 8 😂
@@530Zeno what did you come up with? See, I'm not getting 8. :)
He left out H, but then again, who goes all the way up to H?
G-ing sounds like the real deal, bruh.
H-ing sound like a problem
@@erestube tecnicly it would be up to "i", cause one state allready gives you ABing (bypass)
Is this different than Izotope Neutron 3? I've seen seeing a lot of these smart eq's or compressors, etc.
Rad review. I ended up buying on this recommendation. Sadly, I was surprised this didn't have auto-gain and was maybe even more surprised that you didn't call this out in your review : (
as a prev owner of 2 i can get this for 29 euros. i feel like i have too many intelligent plugins already. (gullfoss, teote, nova ge, trackspacer, shade eq...) should i do it?
To really test it you should take a stem that's well EQ'ed (in you opinion), then mess it up with an EQ and see if the smart thing is able to recover it (it's maybe how they train it in the first place).
I think ill get this thing
Very useful I think……especially for newbies like me.
Please make for ios
Does this version 3 put a heavy load on CPU, or does it now shift audio processing to GPU?
I wonder how is recall with this type plugin? (soothe and Gullfoss as well) if the AI will do the same thing on every bounce/export
Phil Spectral used this on his biggest hits
A workaround for "only six channels" would be to use it when making group stems. Then mix those in another project.
Nice video. Is that better than Gullfoss in your opinion?
Got it. Didn’t really work as described, but it is a solid EQ. In Maschine, it was a bit buggy.
It needs a 100% full manual mode option with full dynamic eq. The ai sucks.
hey buddy nice job for all your video was wondering if you can and want to share your template of reaper maybe you already did thank you and keep on pushing cheers!!!
I love these old, vintage videos where your nails are not painted yet
Older records didn't also use a multiband compression 😉
I'm not a fan of this kind of stuff, but it can provide an ideas if you're stuck with the mix.
Don't be too charmed. He takes products and money.
Made the drums muddy and the grouping thin. I wouldn't use it. Great review, always love the White Sea
going to buy a 3rd party eq..trying to decide between proeq3, waves f6, infinity eq...but now...i think i found the one!
Great video! I wonder how this compares to Izotope's Ozone 9's analysis and I do not see that this Smart Eq 3 has dynamic curves like Izotope. Smart Eq 3 is free for only a month. :)
I think is might be more akin to Neutron 3?
He didn't show it, but yes, Smart EQ3 *does* have dynamic EQ.
@@ottam That is great to know Ottam! I love that Smart Eq 3 looks at other tracks and adjust them together, that is a great feature also. I will consider purchasing this plugin, thanks for your response!
@@FlockofAngels cheers.
I have it and it has cleaned up the first mix I put it on. I was instantly impressed.
@@ottam Thanks to this video and also to your response I am taking a second look at this product! 👍🎶
Hello from Berlin and thanks for your nice Videos. Is it possible with the *white noise frequency response* of a microphone like the Telefunken u47, to make my mic sound similar, even when I dont own the Telefunken U47? Which EQ Copy Plugin could help. Best wishes
Antares has a plug-in called Mic Mod that’s designed for this exact purpose, and the Telefunken U47 is one of the target models. It’s not perfect but gets close enough to where you might decide not to spend thousands on vintage mics 😋
What is the song?? So good
Reminds me in some parts to Trackspacer. How CPU heavy is this vst?
Heavy.
Wait you didn't discover dynamics section?
Can you please review the Octane Vst?
How is this different from something like match eq in logic?
Phil Spectral !!
Curious how you think this stacks up versus Baby Audio’s Smooth Operator.
Massacres Smooth Operator
@@nebroskitheraut6705 yep...saw his video yesterday. Will probably be getting this in a few weeks.
I downloaded the trial version twice but couldn’t install as it came up with an error message. Guess it wasn’t meant to be.
can i use this just to eq my headphones
Surely this will only work on static sounds? If a track changes key or even chord wont the processed eq be wrong?
Yes. But it's worse even than that. The ai simply routinely makes poor decisions on the source material. Quite disappointing. It needs a full manual mode.
@@oinkooink Yeah im not looking for shortcuts, thats the problem with a lot of producers today.. one clickers 🤣
My big question is does it cause a delay/latency on MIDI tracks? the Version 2 added horrible latency to my fast computer. I couldn't use it on midi instruments at all!
Wich program do you use? In FL you need to click on "use fixed buffer size" in the plug in wrapper option and it works perfect without delay... You can write them if you are using another daw
Manually mixing is so convincing i feel like im cheating or im not improving my skils with A.I s
I onderstand you
But, You must first have a good Balance track
And well mixed track
Or else it's not going to do anything.
So you're not losing your technique 😀
Indeed, as a drummer fairly new to mixing, it is very tempting to buy something like EZ mix or one of the powerful AI's. I don't think I will unless a band hires me before my skills are complete. I can see the AI being very useful to fill in the skill gaps.
I like to get my sound before I turn to any A.I.
...so using A.I. Just to help resolve issues with clashing instruments or maybe some phase incoherence.
I don't feel it's cheating, I could do this manually,but it saves me time and potential headache of dealing with too many tracks.
If I don't like the sound of a plugin still... Il dive in manually old school way.
I suppose that I'm too young of a mixer to form a full opinion on an AI ..
@@JMRSplatt Think of mixing as trying to fit things into a box. The box is your master buss. You need to compress and eq in order to have all of your frequencies fit inside. For each track, focus on the main tone of the sound and eq out everything else.
You also missed the dynamic setting, which is pretty damn impressive.
I just want something easy that will make the lead vocal/instrument stand out in the mix properly
Cla vox
@@nexusobserve Thanks !
trackspacer!
What is the latency like on this?
I feel like the group mixing is the same thing neutron is trying so but this “holds your hand” a bit more it seems.
How so? I feel like this holds your hand less & Neutron is more cumbersome.
EQz are like screw drivers... ya might be able to use one or two and get it done, but when ya do , ya sure want it to fit in the hand nicely.... as well as the screw :) In other words its a tool, and ya go with what is comfortable in the hand (ear)UI etc. and works well in your workflow. Its hard to move out of that when ya find YOUR screw driver I reckon.....
200%
Do you really have to click Learn All every time you move the tracks around in the group?
I own dozens of plugins. Easily over 50+. If I could only pick just one, SmartEQ 3 would be it. It's a lifesaver for me. I hate mixing I just want to make my music sound decent!