I’m a Master Club Fitter and thought this was exceptional. Especially loved your last answer about empowering the golfer and making them smarter about their game and equipment. Finally, loved the subtle humble brag of rocking the Pine Valley shirt! 😂
@@walterdavis7702 thank you Walter. Too many fitters force results or opinions on players but the player is always the centre of the fitting not the fitter!
I was fitted by PG with a new driver around 10 years ago. Impressive level of detail and combinations of equipment used (think it was Simon for my fitting). The demonstrations of how different shafts and heads impacted my ball flight and forgiveness was excellent. I enjoyed the experience and the almost the purchase :) - Cheers.
With a handicap of 21 and recent lessons have concentrated on fine-tuning. Acting on a friend's suggestion, I attended a driver fitting session. I was amazed by the difference in shafts/head combinations and was fitted with a club that felt easier to swing, added a few extra yards, and increased consistency. Following a recommendation, I tested my own driver again and it performed significantly better than at the beginning of the session. The fitter excelled in explaining the advantages and disadvantages of making changes, prioritizing my best interests over making a sale. Additionally, the fitter proposed a slight adjustment to my setup, which enhanced my swing. The pace of the fitting was enjoyable too; I had worried that 90 minutes of driving might be exhausting, but the rhythm and conversation kept me engaged and confident in my ability to swing effectively. Although it wasn't cheap, I departed feeling confident in the recommendation given and that it was money well spent.
Following up on how long clubs remain relevant, what would be the situation if we consider shafts alone? Do the properties and profiles of shafts change over time and with use? For example, I'm really happy with the shafts I was fitted for (thanks again Simon) but if say in 3-5 years I were to decide to change clubs, would it be worth contemplating simply changing the iron heads and putting my current shafts into the new heads or would this reduce the possible benefits of changing the entire club even if the shafts chosen were the same as those I currently play (and bearing in mind the upcharge of non-standard shafts).
Shafts can stay relevant for a long time as they continue to work if your body and base technique stay similar to when they were originally fitted. Because the shaft set up (in a fitting from us) is specified to compliment how you love and build speed if your pattern and strength stay the same the shaft will continue to work. Shafts can degrade very slightly over time - steel can fatigue and get rust damage if not dried properly - so that would be something that could affect performance but normally this causes a breakage before you see a change in shot pattern so just changing heads is certainly something to consider for sure
Great Video Simon, putting many of FAQ's to bed. I recently got fitted for new irons 4-pw with graphite shafts . Would you recommend the same shats in my 52 56 60 wedges, or are steel shafts with the same flex still ok? Many thanks
Thank you! It is really all about what weight gives you the most control - often a slightly heavier shaft helps with the shorter shots in wedges (but not always!)
Precision Golf are incredible. Full bag fit with Tom last year. Unrivalled knowledge, largest product range, agnostic. Only interested in the player leaving a better player. After sales superb. Unlike others who sell and move on to the next punter. Cannot recommend more highly.
Really informative video, can you please confirm which irons you focus on for an iron fitting as I know that some places tend to use only a 7 iron, also would it be normal to combine a hybrid fitting with a fairway wood fitting or an iron fitting?
We use a 6 iron as this helps us understand the bridging to the top of the irons and what the longest iron should be but many fitters use 7i as the lofts of irons has strengthened over the years. The hybrid can be fitted with either part of the bag but generally needs to be compared with both sides (fw and irons) to get the shot and flight balance right
The problem with custom fitting is firstly nobody plays golf off a mat. A mat isn't anything like grass. Secondly the swing you bring on the day isn't necessarily the same as your normal swing. Everybody has good, bad and indifferent days. Thirdly, and most pertinently, nobody hits numerous 7 irons or numerous drivers one after the other. Every player will get into the swing of that club and perhaps gain confidence they wouldn't have standing on a tee. Often hear of custom fit drivers 'not working' when they get to the course. I'm not saying anyone shouldn't get fit, but just to be aware it's no guarantee they'll be better. Old pro once told me 95% of custom fitting is preference and common sense. No high HC player is going for blades. No low HC player is going for shovels. The look and 'feel' is way more important than an extra 1.2 yards on a trackman in a sterile environment.
You are correct that nothing can replicate being on the golf course but the skill of an experienced fitter is to look at a player and see how they move, how they swing and through talking to the player and understanding their game as well as their preferences to understand why certain products will suit them. In a perfect world everything you mention would be doable - however if it wasn’t providing valuable differences then fitting would not be the part of the industry that is growing the most. Ultimately the best fitters are just trying their utmost to help golfers play their best golf and enjoy their game as much as possible, not fleece them!
@@Precision_Golf Absolutely. I've custom fit clubs myself from a pro I've used for years. In his words custom fitting should just be fine tuning what the player wants. He reckons too much attention is paid to absolute numbers and not the confidence a player has in any given club. It resonated with me as I always remember listening to Luke Donald say he only ever took a club on for further testing and custom fitting if he liked how felt going through the turf. Personally as a 5 HC golfer it's the continually swinging the same club that I find least representative of my game. I can't help but react to what the previous swing felt like or the resulting ball flight. Similarly at the range if I reckon if I averaged my first 5 7i shots then compared them to the next 5 the second lot would always be better. It's almost as if I'd need to swing or hit another club in between measured shots to make them representative. Not sure if that's something that's particular to just me though.
The $ Taper 120 is slightly higher balance point but stiffer tip so in theory lower launch but ultimately if one swings better it will produce better results. I did a fitting today where in theory the $ Taper should have either better but the KBS Tour just swung better so have better launch and spin so test them both!
I’m a Master Club Fitter and thought this was exceptional. Especially loved your last answer about empowering the golfer and making them smarter about their game and equipment. Finally, loved the subtle humble brag of rocking the Pine Valley shirt! 😂
We sincerely appreciate this Walter 👍🏻 Glad you enjoyed enjoyed it
@@walterdavis7702 thank you Walter. Too many fitters force results or opinions on players but the player is always the centre of the fitting not the fitter!
I was fitted by PG with a new driver around 10 years ago. Impressive level of detail and combinations of equipment used (think it was Simon for my fitting). The demonstrations of how different shafts and heads impacted my ball flight and forgiveness was excellent. I enjoyed the experience and the almost the purchase :) - Cheers.
Appreciate it!
With a handicap of 21 and recent lessons have concentrated on fine-tuning.
Acting on a friend's suggestion, I attended a driver fitting session. I was amazed by the difference in shafts/head combinations and was fitted with a club that felt easier to swing, added a few extra yards, and increased consistency. Following a recommendation, I tested my own driver again and it performed significantly better than at the beginning of the session. The fitter excelled in explaining the advantages and disadvantages of making changes, prioritizing my best interests over making a sale. Additionally, the fitter proposed a slight adjustment to my setup, which enhanced my swing. The pace of the fitting was enjoyable too; I had worried that 90 minutes of driving might be exhausting, but the rhythm and conversation kept me engaged and confident in my ability to swing effectively. Although it wasn't cheap, I departed feeling confident in the recommendation given and that it was money well spent.
That’s great to hear!
perfect timing. i am going to a driver fitting on saturday. all good points mentioned Simon.
Thank you
Following up on how long clubs remain relevant, what would be the situation if we consider shafts alone? Do the properties and profiles of shafts change over time and with use? For example, I'm really happy with the shafts I was fitted for (thanks again Simon) but if say in 3-5 years I were to decide to change clubs, would it be worth contemplating simply changing the iron heads and putting my current shafts into the new heads or would this reduce the possible benefits of changing the entire club even if the shafts chosen were the same as those I currently play (and bearing in mind the upcharge of non-standard shafts).
Shafts can stay relevant for a long time as they continue to work if your body and base technique stay similar to when they were originally fitted. Because the shaft set up (in a fitting from us) is specified to compliment how you love and build speed if your pattern and strength stay the same the shaft will continue to work.
Shafts can degrade very slightly over time - steel can fatigue and get rust damage if not dried properly - so that would be something that could affect performance but normally this causes a breakage before you see a change in shot pattern so just changing heads is certainly something to consider for sure
Very informative as usual Simon. I would love to come and get fit by yourself one day..loving the content good work guys 👍
Thank you Craig!
Great Video Simon, putting many of FAQ's to bed. I recently got fitted for new irons 4-pw with graphite shafts . Would you recommend the same shats in my 52 56 60 wedges, or are steel shafts with the same flex still ok? Many thanks
Thank you! It is really all about what weight gives you the most control - often a slightly heavier shaft helps with the shorter shots in wedges (but not always!)
I can't wait for my appointment ❤
Looking forward to seeing you
Precision Golf are incredible. Full bag fit with Tom last year. Unrivalled knowledge, largest product range, agnostic. Only interested in the player leaving a better player. After sales superb. Unlike others who sell and move on to the next punter. Cannot recommend more highly.
Thank you!
Really informative video, can you please confirm which irons you focus on for an iron fitting as I know that some places tend to use only a 7 iron, also would it be normal to combine a hybrid fitting with a fairway wood fitting or an iron fitting?
We use a 6 iron as this helps us understand the bridging to the top of the irons and what the longest iron should be but many fitters use 7i as the lofts of irons has strengthened over the years.
The hybrid can be fitted with either part of the bag but generally needs to be compared with both sides (fw and irons) to get the shot and flight balance right
The problem with custom fitting is firstly nobody plays golf off a mat. A mat isn't anything like grass. Secondly the swing you bring on the day isn't necessarily the same as your normal swing. Everybody has good, bad and indifferent days. Thirdly, and most pertinently, nobody hits numerous 7 irons or numerous drivers one after the other. Every player will get into the swing of that club and perhaps gain confidence they wouldn't have standing on a tee. Often hear of custom fit drivers 'not working' when they get to the course. I'm not saying anyone shouldn't get fit, but just to be aware it's no guarantee they'll be better. Old pro once told me 95% of custom fitting is preference and common sense. No high HC player is going for blades. No low HC player is going for shovels. The look and 'feel' is way more important than an extra 1.2 yards on a trackman in a sterile environment.
You are correct that nothing can replicate being on the golf course but the skill of an experienced fitter is to look at a player and see how they move, how they swing and through talking to the player and understanding their game as well as their preferences to understand why certain products will suit them.
In a perfect world everything you mention would be doable - however if it wasn’t providing valuable differences then fitting would not be the part of the industry that is growing the most. Ultimately the best fitters are just trying their utmost to help golfers play their best golf and enjoy their game as much as possible, not fleece them!
@@Precision_Golf Absolutely. I've custom fit clubs myself from a pro I've used for years. In his words custom fitting should just be fine tuning what the player wants. He reckons too much attention is paid to absolute numbers and not the confidence a player has in any given club. It resonated with me as I always remember listening to Luke Donald say he only ever took a club on for further testing and custom fitting if he liked how felt going through the turf. Personally as a 5 HC golfer it's the continually swinging the same club that I find least representative of my game. I can't help but react to what the previous swing felt like or the resulting ball flight. Similarly at the range if I reckon if I averaged my first 5 7i shots then compared them to the next 5 the second lot would always be better. It's almost as if I'd need to swing or hit another club in between measured shots to make them representative. Not sure if that's something that's particular to just me though.
There is a reason why I have been a customer for 13 other so years ... just saying ..
Thank you David
Is there much of a difference between the $ Taper 120 and KBS Tour 120? Is the profile and balance point similar?
The $ will be higher launch and lower spin than the Tour. KBS has a good chart that shows the profile of all their shafts relative to one another.
@@walterdavis7702 thansk. Any idea on the balance point? Are both higher balance point shafts?
@@aido3224 The Tour is a high balance point shaft. I believe the balance point in the S is lower than the Tour.
The $ Taper 120 is slightly higher balance point but stiffer tip so in theory lower launch but ultimately if one swings better it will produce better results. I did a fitting today where in theory the $ Taper should have either better but the KBS Tour just swung better so have better launch and spin so test them both!
@@Precision_Golf does the KBS Tour balance out slightly higher than the $ Taper so with a slightly softer tip
Unless is as silly as me, change my clubs a bit often than usual.😅
I feel your pain, on my 3rd set of irons - have settled on T150’s handicap dropped from 14 to 8 - won’t be changing now…..until they misbehave
As long as it gives you happiness!! :)