JOIN DISCORD - discord.com/invite/RajSP3mY8v I had a 30 second cold opening of this video that kept making the video demonetized. Here's the link if you want to watch it: ruclips.net/video/Vbnip3GTFWA/видео.html Time Stamps: 2:37 Part 1: Positives 6:16 Part 2: The Island Trials 9:03 Part 3: The Z-Moves 10:35 Part 4: Regional Forms 12:18 Part 5: The Map Design/Riding Pokémon 15:23 Part 6: Hand-Holding 17:58 Part 7: Story and the Cutscenes 22:31 Part 8: Lillie 25:58 Part 9: Incomplete Game and Conclusion
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
Nihilego looking like Lillie is because of Lusamine's obsession with Nihilego, since Lusamine forcing Lillie to dress the way she does is a major part of Lillie's backstory. It's never explicitly stated, so it's a pretty good example of subtle visual storytelling. This is one of the many things USM did worse, since in USM Lusamine wasn't obsessed with Nihilego, so she had no reason to force Lillie to dress like one. In SM it actually served a purpose and tied things together, in USM it's like a bunch of loose threads laying around that don't connect to anything else.
1. Lillie was already dressing up like Nihilego even before Lusamine met Ultra Beasts 2. Doesn't explain Guzma, Gladion, and Lusamine looking Ultra Beasts
@@GireumRed My best guess is that the UBs were designed before that part of the story was decided, or maybe the devs just thought they were being clever without actually explaining themselves.
@Guto yes! the pokémon manga is such an underrated master piece atleast gen’s 1-4 were heart gold and soul silvers was a little boring same as Fire Red and Leaf Green but other than those two whatta trip
@@GireumRed Lusamine was studying Ultra Beasts years before you met her in the game. She even created a new species of artificial Pokemon specifically to counter them.
Lillie's arc is about becoming self-reliant. To escape Aether she needed to rely on Nebby. To save Nebby she needed to rely on you. To get to a ruin she needed to rely on Oliva. To ward off a Team Skull Grunt she needed you again. The Bridge Scene is her taking a step towards relying on herself more and other less. That's why the confrontation with her mother has HER confronting her. Sure, she still needs help; she isn't a trainer herself and doesn't set out to be one until the end, but she confronts her mother because that's HER arc. If only there was a real sequel.
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
mega evolutions shouldve been it man they were quality now its complete shit since sun n moon woth z moves and all that random shit it turned me off sword n shields gimmick were conceptually bad and crystalize is so far removed i cant take this seriously every pokemon shouldve had a mega form and i was waiting and expected that with xy and oras
@@dankura I agree man. Sigh... I'm glad I don't buy their games anymore (only bought SwSh and PLA on the Switch, both made me sell the Switch). We can only hope they somehow make it up with Gen 10, since it is a nice number worth a good game but I don't expect anything really.
And have them stack up with further gimmicks that don't require Held Items? Heck no! Think you can beat a Dynamax Mega Rayquaza with Flying Tera Type boosting Dragon Ascent's STAB without losing at least 3 Pokémon in the team? Well, good luck.
I was actually thinking about your point on how Lillie is actually the main character of the story while we, the player, are tasked with doing the heavy lifting and thought "why can't the player be the fusion of Lillie and us?" We would take the place of Lillie in the story, and her being timid could explain why we are mute and our lack of expression in the cutscenes. We would escape from Lusamine and try to live a normal life that we always wanted completing island challenges and collecting Pokemon. Eventually, our past will catch up with us and that moment where Lillie shouts at her mom could be us, which would be the first time the player would actually speak in the story. It be a fun break and subversion of expectations with the usual trends in Pokemon storytelling, and could've possibly made the SM story better. Just a thought I guess.
It seems like people just want the story to be about them. I think that's mostly just because the older games were completely about the player and now Sun and Moon are not.
@@thabluetails well pokemon has always been a power fantasy game, where you defeat crime organisations, ecoterrorists trying to flood/desertify the world, or end the universe, but Sun and Moon actually introduces a more grounded realistic plot that explores their characters in new ways with the theme of abuse being central to many of the characters, while ironically being a much more wacky and otherwordly game with ultra beasts.
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
Sun and Moon is honestly one of my all-time favorite Pokemon games. Yes, it has its problems. It was a little too hand-holdy, it went a little too hard on the cutscenes, and USUM was basically just glorified DLC. But it was the first pokemon game I ever played where I actually found myself CARING about the human characters. I don't care what anyone else says, Sun and Moon had good writing. It was simple writing, granted, but it was still good.
Very much agree. I think the ammount of time you actually spend with them doing mundane things with the characters is what allows them to shine. It's also the only pokemon game that gives characters to the pokemon themselves and you care about the boxart legendary.
Honistly Pokemon Sun and Moon were great I never got most of the complaints people had with it. The story doing most of the work having one of the best in the main series.
They weren't "great". Decent enough, sure, but that's it. It's good they tried new things with it though, I'll say that much. Ultra Beasts were unnecessary. Little replayability. Annoying hallways instead of actual exploration. Clearly rushed at the end ("oh yeah, I'm a captain... but I have no trial for you. Tee-hee!"). I don't know if it's GF or TPC not allotting enough budget, but it's been showing more and more. The devs either need more time or more people. Shame because you can feel good ideas in their works, but sadly always as "could have been"s.
I forgot that's the Grass Gym Leader's name. Gireum was right that Kalos Gym Leaders were forgettable. It angers me that the third version of X/Y got dumped in a garbage can in favor of... Sun and Moon.
@S W Since Gen VI, GameFreak neglected and rushed their games period. As for their upcoming BD/SP games and LA, I haven't seen more new trailers. I have a feeling that those games are going to be mediocre like Sw/Sh. But hey-- I'm not getting it as I retired from the series after Ultra Trash. They're not gonna pull that shit on me again.
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
I like following Pokémon as much as the next, but as a newer fan, can someone tell me why everyone is crazy about them in a civil way? (I don’t like people who think they’re better than me just because I’m not as familiar with certain mechanics)
@@lovelyprincesssarah I can't believe people are rude about you being new. That's a totally normal and fun way to be. I'm new to Zelda and it's been so fun getting to go back to old games. I think it just adds a lot of character to the world, and gives the collecting of pokemon more of a visible effect since you get to see them all the time and interact with them more. It's immersive.
To be fair; that Teachy TV in FireRed and LeafGreen was kinda funny because it wasn't forcing you to do this for continuing the game, unlike the trainer-school in Alola, Festival Plaza in UsUm or the uninteresting, unnecessary dialogs (even more than in the Alola games) in SwSh. At least, that Teachy TV was optional whenever you want. 🤷🏻♂️
I hear a lot of complaints about the game babying you and having to get through a lot of stuff, instead of actually complaining about the content itself. To me it sounds like people want to skip everything instead of actually giving it a chance. Honestly I think the main problem here is that there should have been an option to skip these things and the things themselves aren't really the problem.
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
True but honestly as a kid I found FRLG so confusing like I forgot about Teachy TV and was so confused on where to go, what's more was that the old man teaches you how to catch Pokemon but I was still figuring out how he got to the PokeBalls in the bag. I was confused how to use HMs or what TMs and HMs were and the fact that there's something called a TM Case, the fact that your pokemon is sent to the PC after your party is full. While I don't want it to be super hand-holdy, FRLG was difficult for me to understand basic concepts in Pokemon. Am I the only one who was stuck for ages until realizing there's a Team Rocket Grunt in the Game Corner and/or Surf is in the Safari Zone?
people are saying sm is too handholdy when we have the teachy tv, multiple help menus, the help button, npcs that don’t do anything but talk about the help menu or teachy tv…it’s not immersive, and immersiveness is one of the best parts of sun and moon
My only issue with gen 7 is the cutscenes being unskippable and the existence of the most annoying thing in existence,rotom dex But other than that I feel like they did everything right..I mean I would've been happier with more mega evolution instead of z-moves but it's whatever My main improvement I actually really love is hms no longer being a thing,this was the first time in the series that we got to have fully freed up teams and it was honestly a huge plus
Pokémon Moon was my first ever Pokémon game (I was a little late to the scene) and it holds a special place in my heart. The Hawaiian aesthetic, it just feels warm and comforting
To me, the story of this game should be the main selling point. It's an amazing story, although I do agree that we have way to many cutscenes, I enjoyed the plot twist we faced with Lusamine being the actual villain (even though it was predictable) and that Team Skull was almost like a sub-division on the Aether Foundation. This was the last good Pokémon game, specially because even though it's not perfect by any means, it's still a very enjoyable experience because the bad DO NOT overtake the good in this game (SWORD AND SHIELD TAKE FUCKING NOTES)
The story is a bit of a double edged sword in my opinion. When you’ve never done it before it’s amazing and probably the best in the series. When you’re replaying the game it’s a massive chore and really annoying because of all the cutscenes.
You do realise that these same many people are the ones who hated on BW and B2W2 and are the reason why we are getting crappy SwSh and SV. SV still has qol changes but f SwSh man. The quality had risen up again gen7
Adore Gen 7 so much. I respect all the complaints people have but my subjective opinion is they are top tier Pokémon games. Love Gen 7 and the Alola region forever bro.
Same! i really liked it a lot, and I’ve been playing Pokémon since gen 2 lmao. i love the region, characters and features. Sure, it’s hand holdy but I really loved all the new Pokémon introduced and although z moves are kinda cheesy it’s not as awful as the cheap “dynamax” 😪
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
I would absolutely love to have played as Lillie. I was invested in Sun/Moon's story, but so sorely disappointed at my blank-stared protagonist ruining the scenes by being useless and expressionless. If they wanted to focus more on story, they should've gone all in. [With a skip cutscene option, of course] Imagine that Lillie is basically the same character, but with a customizable appearance. She can be male or female, and the Lillie we know is just her canon appearance. It would've probably divided people even more to have a protagonist with a defined personality, but at least Game Freak would be trying new avenues for the series. Would be a way better idea for a one generation gimmick than Z-moves or Dynamax.
It was been amazing if You can play as lillie or Gladion. The Main character has defined personality and You are related with your mother Lusamine, Aether foundation... And You have tl growth, becoming strong with our Pokémon
Which is a shame for AZ because he was legitimately fascinating and I wish we got a real "final cut" instead of XY, because it had potential, instead of a rushed SM just so that it could release on the 20th anniversary
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
@@kerrywien6775 I thought that alola had a lot of really great concepts and ideas. But at least to me it is really obvious that a lot of features were rushed and/or cut. I think if the game had maybe an extra year or two of development then it would’ve been a lot better
Sun and Moon (no, not USUM) are my favorite Pokémon game, no cap. It was great as a first play through. The characters were pretty likable IMO, it helped fix the overly easy nature of XY, it actually had the full dex in game, and Alola had some interesting differences to the usual gym challenges. Also, fuck the Rotom dex from USUM.
z moves sound good at first glance until you realize how cringe they can be, legit the character does a random cringe tik-tok-dance and then suddenly your pokemon becomes a totem for the animation of 1 move. Not only that but protect completely ruins the z-move
I liked the map since I play this game in large bursts, meaning when I came back I needed a reminder of where I was supposed to go. But it would've been better to give us the option to turn it off or change it to a different program. Makes me wish they kept something like DevNav, it was one of the best features of ORAS.
FRLG did a great job in showing flashbacks of recent places we had been while DPPt had a journal that chronicles what we recently captured and where we had went.
@@zjzr08 those features don't tell me where I'm supposed to go next though, just where I've been before. So if I put down Pokemon Platinum for a month, picked it up, then looked at the journal, I wouldn't know where to go next unless I played the game several times.
@@kiwikarp9509 I guess this is where there may be differing opinions, where some players like not knowing where to go next, going to whenever they want to as long as the goal pushes forward (hence why some like going off-map and skip Gym order) Personally though, while old maps are big, they aren't too complicated, so I don't see the need for hints per se.
I remember when people really hated Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire when it came out, to me it seems like people just hate on everything new regardless of what it actually is.
@@kiwikarp9509 Yeh very true, that happends to me often not only in Pokémon, If I Need/ I want to stop playing the game for a few days, when I come back I forgot What I should do and I have to Cheack on YT. I think than SWSH found a nice soulution to the problem, If you open the menù It Tells you where you Need to go but It's NOT Always in your face.
I literally just bought this game (moon) preowned, yesterday for 11$ cause if birthday GameStop discount and $5 coupon I didn’t know I had saved. I’ve heard peoples issues about the game but I did actually enjoy the anime series on the alola region and the characters in it, so I’ve always wanted to try it out. Ima come back to this later once I beat it though, I’d like to hear a recent review on it
So, not sure if this has been brought up yet but I guess I'll say it anyways. About the laziness of the Island Trials, I remember hearing a while ago (around the time the games came out) that gym leaders were originally planned for Sun and Moon, but near the end of development, Masuda (or someone else) came up with the idea of Island Trials and rushed to implement them into the games. Can't confirm how legitimate this is but it does explain why most of the trials are lazy. Not trying to defend the game, just thought this was something interesting to mention. :)
Tamia I don't think the island trials are that lazy, it looks like they put a lot of effort into each and every one, I hear a lot of people saying that they are lazy but I don't really hear why.
@@thabluetails they are lazy and insulting because in wela volcano trial you have to play spot the difference 3 times, each getting easier than the last until the final one which you can't answer wrong. Acerola trial you have to take a picture of 4 pokemon that appear right in front of you. Mina doesn't even battle you. Kahili appears out of no where, seems like the cut golf course attached to the hanu resort might have been a place for some type of trial involving her, but that's my personal speculation. It seems like there was a lot missing in these games. Pirate ship and golf course in akala bothers me so much.
@@hamsandwich6685 your problem seems to be that you wanted more of a challenge from the trials which is fine although I feel like people should be happy about the change of pace in the first place. The characters and character interactions are really fun and interesting which is what mattered to me, there is something that felt different with each trial.
@@thabluetails I don't find false option dialog to be fun. As in it insults me when no matter what you choose the outcome is the same. Most of the games acts like a movie that you read with very uninteresting dialog. I wanted more of a game out of the experience. I also thought there was so much more depth in the lore that could have been embellishments for the game if the player was able to explore those ideas, such as the pirate ship and golf course of akala. I loved sun and moon for the potential they have not what they really are because to me they really are less than half baked in the oven.
The way you describe this game's Sun & Monn's cutscenes reminds me all the time I had to spend watching door animations in Resident Evil Remake. Every god-forsaken door takes 7.75 seconds to pass through, and you can't skip the animation. There are so many doors that 1/3 of my playthrough was purely going through doors. Doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors. Doors, everywhere
I still enjoy the games But gen 5 was definitely peak and then Pokémon started falling off. The games got easier even though they’re not supposed to be hard but I think pokemon will always work best on a 2D screen
Which is why it's my favorite on the list of Pokemon games (Not including Arceus since I haven't played too deep into yet) I enjoyed the Ultra beasts, the return of the trainers from the old games, the stuff with Anabel and Looker, battle tree and recruiting trainers and how the trials had a different feel to it. Last game I played before that was black. I got mid way and I wasn't really feeling it so I abandoned it. Moon I put a hell of a lot of work In.
How to fix these games: • Stop making one dimension characters and completely develop them giving them more than 3 appearance or text boxes • Lusamine and Guzma were the only rescuable thing for me but they felt incomplete. Just like almost any character in the main saga. Not telling everything and limiting to some text (last point) ruins your potential. • Imagine Lillie really taking example on your avatar and really growing strong, even helping you to fight in crucial situations like Lusamine or Nihilego. Imagine making a postgame where some years pass and she returns to the region after a journey to be an optional strong boss instead of fucking Red who did REALLY took you as THE example. Do you like real woman who became strong or... A crybaby who never grows up? Its funny because in the Spin off Mystery Dungeon Explorer of the Sky you also have a close character (your partner) who probably loves you and REALLY START BEING WEAK to be developed step by step INTO SOMEONE STRONG AND SMART taking example on the effort of YOUR AVATAR. The gap is noticeable. And it's a big loss because i would love to see a Lillie like that. • Imagine if Lillie and your avatar did REALLY start a relationship and for USUM the main character was other and she was Married after several years timeskip with your contrary gender avatar as... A fucking Elite 4 with her husband/wife being the champion. • Imagine if fucking USUM was a game where you as another NEW and not recycled avatar was a game where in pure Chrono Cross fashion (a PS1 game) you did explore 2 worlds: Homeworld where everything was right like your SM avatar did everything right and Alter World where everything went wrong and you have to fix the dark consequences (Example: Lusamine dead, your first avatar dead, ultra beast domination over people, Guzma not reforming etc etc) and avoid any chance of the Alter World fusing with Homeworld. But nope, better make half-done characters who could be good, make many fillers and you have another game. Given the fanbase's opinion on much spin offs and GEN5 back in the day it ends being understandable. I really would have liked a story like i did point above. Yikes... When fanon easily beats canon. And of course we didnt talk about the gameplay. Gen 1 and 2 are excused to have 1v1 like NES Dragon Quest 1 because of GB limitations. But we are not in the GB anymore. 2v2 or 3v3 should be the norm. Difficulty curve issues, and several other problems which are recurring in the series. Yikes.
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
The original Pokémon sun and moon are the only Pokémon games cheaper than the retail price. These games were devalued by their ultra versions and lack of post game.
I honestly hate the excuse game freak uses of "kids are so much more easily distracted by their phones so we need to make the games easier and quicker for them to play cuz we're competing with their attention" like yeah I will say that is objectively true there are a lot more ways for kids to entertain themselves with more instant gratification than when I was a kid playing red blue yellow gold silver Crystal even the DS Sarah Diamond pearl and platinum they were less distractions and those games were the only ways for us to entertain ourselves on the go. However the most insulting thing and really shows you how burnt out and careless they are with Pokemon now is their reaction to that challenge they didn't go "oh wow kids have more distractions these days well we better make sure we make these games as engaging and fun as possible to keep their attention" they went wow we're going to have to work extra hard and be more creative to create a game to keep kids engaged? That's way too much effort let's just dumb down everything and cut as many corners as possible as long as we slap the Pokemon name on it it will sell who cares"
Pros: new Pokémon designs Very pretty art style Pulls away from the usual gym stuff Cons: way too much dialogue No opportunity for exploration Too much hand holding
Yet they included Mina only for some reason and made her younger, meaning that it would've been chronologically impossible for Lillie and Gladion to be in Kanto lol. Gen 7 is a goddamn mismanaged mess.
@@christianmckee2116I think Mina got focus in LGPE as an "apology" for giving her a bad first impression in SM with not giving her a trial (and she also was given one in USUM, albeit a fetch quest many didn't like)...that being said I agree Lille probably would be better and kinda tie in with her leaving from Alola.
24:12 I think tha gamefreak has forgotten what makes a videogame different from a film or movie... Its the interactivity, and the fact that YOU are the main character. I dont get why gamefreak is so adimate about having you be a side character to some other main character, its counter to what videogames, especially RPGs are about. What if the player's role here? Same as always, get all the pokemon and the badges, go through the game. But every other game there's more to it. Your role involves stopping an evil team, doing something bigger than just catching every pokemon.
I'd personally argue that it is rather common for RPGs/adventure games to have the protagonist/POV character to be a generic chosen one and a silent protagonist who acts as players mirror to the soul, with the party members and/or other major characters being the heart of the story. Super Paper Mario, Undertale/Deltarune, a good number of Shin Megami Tensei games, Majoras Mask (and Twilight Princess as well), Fire Emblem Three Houses and Fantasy Life are a few examples that come to my mind when it comes to games where the supporting characters are the real main characters and the player character is just in for the ride, and those are just tip of the iceberg. Sure, there are more active protagonists in RPGs who are actual characters w character arcs and such (the Trails and Tales of games come to mind), but they are actual characters rather than avatars the player projects into. Pokemon is a series where I feel having a protagonist being an actual character rather than a blank slate won't work, largely because how a big appeal of pokemon is immersion and kinda, US becoming part of the world.
@@dovevanity4252 The thing is in all of those other games, the player character actually *does* things that help the plot. Sure, the story comes largely from a lot of the other characters, and yeah that is part of what makes pokemon work, but my point is that gamefreak has gotten away from even that. Remember how the pokemon going crazy was just litterally a news headline that Leon took care of in SWSH? Its that sort of thing thats the problem with pokemon nowadays. It doesnt break the immersion to have the player actually have some agency in the story.
@@Jdudec367 somewhat. Lillie is the main protagonist, she still drives the plot forward. Its what she does that makes the climax happen. However, yes the player actually does have *some* agency in gen 7. Obviously, that is long gone by gen 8.
@@dovevanity4252 Not Shin Megami Tensei. Even though SMT has silent protagonists, it’s still ultimately the player’s story. SMT focuses all about the player’s choices and those choices ultimately decide whether you get a Law, Neutral or Chaotic ending. Your character drives the plot forward and the ending you get is based on your actions/choices so it feels earned.
I don't know about that I understand how you feel but pretty much every game with a silent protagonist works this way, I mean can you honestly say that games like BioShock Infinite or Half-Life 2 are truly about the character you're playing as. Sun and moon doesn't seem that much different.
Honestly thank you for pointing out the issue with the story with Lily. When I played it I couldn't help feeling like I was just a glorified escort / bodyguard / battler for her because apparently her stupid morals won't let her battle Pokemon but she's more than happy to let me battle Pokemon for her when she needs help and protecting nebby oh oh yeah the legendary Pokemon who saves that Lily is the savior and best friend of the legendary box Pokemon not you the story is about Lily and her mom you are just there on the side. It didn't really feel like my Pokemon Journey it felt like I was just going through the emotions until she comes running to me screaming and crying for help. No I don't want to play an entire game where it's just one long escort Mission screw that
I liked sun and Moon but I do agree that there quite a few flaws that the game has. I get what you mean by saying it feels incomplete but at the same time. Literally every other gen has this issue before the third version comes out (RS, DP) so with that logic everyone should hate every single first version. As for USUM it was a missed opportunity for GameFreak to do sequels again but I guess since BW2 sold so low they assumed the fans have spoken and have steered away from making more ambitious sequels. Perhaps that what XY were gonna get before they were scrapped altogether.
Mean while Black and White doesn't bother too much. X and Y a few handholding and lets you explore without a device (Rotom Dex) telling you to go back on the journey.
Yeah we need a Pokemon game that's not for kids, includes gore, has adult stuff, shit like that, right? You guys don't learn to respect stuff and then regret. Believe me, USUM will become the new B2W2 in a few years
@@peanutmuttplays104 well and PLA also did contain a bit PG problematic stuff. Like you take fall damage, Pokemon attack you directly, people can be killed, and the world is just more brutal and not child friendly. That's the closest one could get to a not safe for kids pokemon game
I'm not trying to defend Gamefreak or anything but there are 7 trial captains because that's the amout of colors the rainbow has (even the colors associated to their types are the same from the rainbow)
the designs of the gen 7 roster are also fantastic. Best starter designs in any pokemon gen, first and only truly successful pika clone in mimikyu, great designs that it's surprising never showed up before like anchor pokemon, sandcastle pokemon, water spider pokemon, school of fish pokemon, the early bug evolves into something really strong & cool, the regional variant concept is amazing with real gems like muk, legendary memes like exeggutor, and *finally* some love for raichu. And yeah, the ultra beasts are cool & weird as heck and actually feel threatening. Even the box legends were cool, and meaningfully worked into the game's narrative via Lillie & Nebby. And the sos mechanic was not only a compelling new shiny hunting method, it also implied life & ecology to wild pokemon apart from just existing to be caught by the player. The pokemon themselves have always been the most important part of the pokemon franchise, and sun & moon probably did the best job of any new gen games in this regard.
Gen 8 designs weren't terrible, there were some real gems here & there. The dragapult line are among the best pseudo-legendary designs ever, some of the Galarian forms are great, and I absolutely adore polteageist. But yeah, the overall average quality is a step down from gen 7 in creativity, vivacity, and charm.
Yeah it seems like the thing that is universally loved about these games are the Pokemon designs. I love almost all the Pokemon introduced in Sun and Moon, primarina 4 life.
Rotom's blinking used to drive me INSANE. I played with a post it note on the bottom screen. I did like wearing sunglasses all the time so it looked like my character was high with her dopey smile in all circumstances
I loathed Sun and Moon primarily because I had tasted X and Y, which offered a tease of what the games could be like in 3D and what an older protagonist could look like in the universe... it felt so fresh and promising (apart from the story), but then Sun and Moon came along with five-year-old protagonists and far less customization than X and Y had already showed were possible. Didn't like the aesthetic or camera control compared to X and Y, either... and really hated the fact that the D-pad as a optional control device was dropped entirely... the 3DS sticks were okay, but nowhere near as good for accurate small movements as the D-pad. Also, in terms of memorability, that's pretty subjective - even though I spent longer in Sun/Moon than X/Y, I don't remember a single character... apart from the friend/rival (don't recall his name). I vaguely remember Team Skull, but I found them incredibly thematically annoying. Sure, Team Yell was worse, but the moment I saw the daggy, heads-lolling-to-the-side Skull members I facepalmed, and I don't recall a single Skull encounter where I wasn't desperate to skip through or past them. Sure, Mega Evolution was a pretty average idea, but that's why I rarely (if ever) used it... unlike in Sword/Shield, where you ABSOLUTELY had to use the gimmick. Z-moves were interesting, but to use them I would have to be playing Sun or Moon...
When are we gonna start holding these multi million dollar companies to higher standards when it comes to story writing 💀 I understand it’s supposed to be a children’s game (despite the MAJORITY of its players being 19-25), but they just hand hold and completely treat the player like a baby. Even with these “deeper” plots going into somewhat more mature territory, they could absolutely push it a bit. Maybe add a bit better dialogue too that isn’t just “Hey there ___!! I am your rival!! Let’s catch em all!”
HM's where never the problem. It was just very annoying you had to sacrifice a move slot for them, especially with the shitty moves like cut and flash. If a pokemon learns these moves once and then could use these moves in field, even after they forget them for battle, this would habe been the best solution. You use YOUR pokemon for exploration and don't need to sacrifice a move slot or have an HM slave in the team. Why did gamefreak not came up with this simple solution? Bc they are lazy af.
The critique with the story nails it. If you as the player are not the main protagonist the story id flawed and pointless. I'm advocating to make pokemon in an open world sandbox that could slightly open open up in the first half of the game but in the second half you should be able to tackle the gyms in any order you like. Getting rid of a overarching story would fix many problems, the to long cut scenes, the hand holding etc and could be replaced through little story fragments or quests you stumble upon by exploring the world. By this the focus would go back to you, the player, and your journey to become the champion.
Jokes on you I knew he was Ramos! Only because I roll in Pokémon Masters ex for shits and giggles and get annoyed whenever he shows up instead of who I actually want.
Pokemon Sun was my first ever core series pokemon game on my first ever Nintendo device, Nintendo 2ds, that my father bought from Canada. Being an Indian, we only get to watch Pokemon on TV we can't play TCG or the core series games (Pokemon Go is popular here, though). Therefore i have feelings attached to Pokemon Sun. I deleted my file that i completed in 2018 and restarted the game and completed it with my team having ash greninja, incineroar, a decidueye that i got as a rowlet from wonder trade, a mega Charizard x from wonder trade and solgaleo and zygarde. My favourite Pokemon will always be litten and his family because they were my first ever Pokemon and i was closely attached to them. Generation 7 Pokemon games have such awesome relaxing music especially in the pokemon centre and the post game credits really brought tears into my eyes. I still remember the day 5 years back when I first completed the game as a hardcore Indian Pokemon fan. I really don't take kindly to anyone who disrespects generation 7 games. Advances in gameplay that generation 7 did: The return of different overworld music depending on the time of day, which was originally introduced in Generation IV. A new villainous team, Team Skull. Eighteen Generation I Pokémon have a form unique to Alola known as a regional form; this aspect of Generation VII is based on selective pressures which occur in the real world. The addition of the Rotom Pokédex, a special Pokédex inhabited by a Rotom that doubles as a real-time map on the bottom screen of the Nintendo 3DS. The 3D models used for characters on the overworld are refined, and Trainers can be seen behind their Pokémon during battle, similar to Pokémon Colosseum, XD: Gale of Darkness, and Battle Revolution. Several NPC Trainers are shown to keep their Pokémon in Poké Balls other than the standard Poké Ball. It is possible to see stat changes during a battle. The new QR Scanner allows players to register Pokémon in their Pokédex and receive event Pokémon. The addition of Poké Rides, which allow players to summon Pokémon that they can ride to access otherwise inaccessible areas and thus the removal of HMs. The addition of Hyper Training, a system that allows players to exchange special Bottle Caps to maximize the IVs of their Level 100 Pokémon. Source: Bulbapedia It's also the only Pokemon game up until that point where the villainous team (team skull) weren't seeking the titular legendary for its world ending power. And also the first one where a character's family problems are shown in depth rather than just being obscure like N or silver. Let's appreciate generation 7 for how unique it was, it was peak Pokemon gameplay.
All I remember vividly about gen 7 was that the first few hours of playing Pokémon moon were boring as hell and ruined the overall experience down the road of the game in my opinion.
Honestly with regards to Rideable Pokemon and the removal of HMs, I was in the "likes HMs" ballpark, especially how HG/SS actually had special animations for your following Pokemon using an HM, but at the same time I was upset with how they were required to take up a move slot. I was hoping that one day a Pokemon game would make it possible to register an HM move to a Pokemon without it taking up a move slot, acting only as a summonable field move. When I heard about the Rideable Pokemon I thought "Oh man, are they finally going to make the HMs visibly useable?" I figured that you'd be able to register your Pokemon to be able to bike, dowse, fly, surf, etc. Imagine my sadness when I discovered that, no, you're just given the ability to summon Pokemon that aren't yours to bike/dowse/whatever. That made me sad. Sure, I get to Surf on the back of a Lapras (again) or ride a Tauros, but they're not *my* Lapras or *my* Tauros. And there's lots of other non-gen-1 Pokemon I'd love to both train and ride on, like Milotic or Scolipede. Obviously they don't need to use all of the Pokemon available, but it would've been lovely if you were able to register some of your own Pokemon for Rideable status... This region has way too much feel of "You're a tourist" for me anyways, with the handholding and all. You're supposed to be living here, but I expected the end of the game to just have your mom come up and say that it's time to go back to Kanto and it's you leaving on the ship instead of Lillie.
Moon was such a bore, don’t know why people overhype it so much. As for Pokemon Moon, it didn’t really grab me as much as previous games did and it’s a shame to hear Ultra doesn’t improve much if anything.
I remember the first time I beat moon I was on a car trip and didn't have a car charger,the battery was in the red just before I did the champion defense battle and the battery died during the credits
Gen 7 is the worst and most boring entries in the franchise. I hate the island challenges, and I absolutely hate the cut scenes and hand holding. It also feels incredibly linear, more than any other entry, even more so than Gen 8.
23:40 So that sounds exactly like World of Warcraft. You do all the raids, dungeons, etc except your character isn't in ANY of the story cutscenes, while all the real main characters do stuff.
I agree on most fronts here but I have to say I liked the Z-crytals you didn't get from the island trial. The psychium-Z being within the depths of a labrynth-esque desert makes it feel like a trial that was lost to time, or how you find the buginium-Z in Guzma's throne room hinting at his desire to be a trial captain
I will tell you an anectode straight up from my Sun and Moon Experience. I was still defeating the league while a huge noise like a thunder was heard all around my neightborhood. That was, in reality, a landslide where I live, therefore, we had to evacuate all the buildings around the landslide to avoid the entire mountain crumbling to hit the adjacent buildings and start a domino effect. Well, we were ALL down the streets with the police and firemen around and if you were looking around you were looking a pretty desperate girl playing on her 3DS. Why? Because of the fucking cutscene and the fact that i was also low on battery. Like, goddammit Game Freak, 33 whole ass minutes of cutscene. (before i get laughed at because i was still playing, it wasnt a really dangerous situation, they did that pretty late, just in case, just to make sure what the risks were, thats why we evacuated without that big of a rush and being able to bring stuff with us)
The story started off interesting, but ended mid and corny! Lusamine has to be in the top 3 worst antagonist in a Pokemon game, with one of the most underwhelming boss battle.
9:33 Except everybody spammed Z moves on strong mons such as Heatran, Tapu Koko, Kartana, Garchomp, etc. Only thing it did is buff those mons who were pretty strong to begin with
The Sun and Moon games were good, they could've been better, however the cheapest cash grab was USUM which just shows how the devs really care about the series as opposed to worshipping that of greed, itself. Also why i can't, in good conscience, buy into the series past Scarlet and Violet. I'm not even buying into their cut content trick that they've had the audacity to try again after a buggy pile, buggier than a termite mound.
All modern Pokemon games are just bad movies with a few minutes of walking gameplay. It's like a museum of cutscenes. (Like if the COD modern warfare museum level was an entire game)
I guess the reason why I don't mind the cutscenes is because I've played many other games that have them exactly like they were in Sun & Moon, especially with most past 3D Zelda games. Whole reason I didn't like USUM was because it just utterly fucked the entire Pokémon canon for me, more than what people said about Zinnia said in ORAS with the whole Mega Evolution timeline thing. It's a multiverse now, babyyyyyyy. Trainer Red can be a grown man AND a teenager at the same time
Your opinion seems like the general consensus here, a lot of people loved sun and moon when it came out that people expected Ultra sun and moon to be a lot different and when it wasn't people didn't like it. Theoretically this would mean that if you played Ultra Sun and Moon before playing The Originals you would love them. Honestly I would sort of be fine with this argument if it wasn't for the fact that Pokemon emerald and Crystal are barely different from their original games and people love them.
@@thabluetails honestly that's true. I mainly didn't it like for how the story plot was similar with little tweaks here and there. Bw2 plot was different then bw (as an example). I would've accepted usum if i played it first
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
@@lemur1129 x and y were easy trash , no difficulty boring lame story and trash starters, nobody cared for the grass and fire starter everybody wanted greninja elite 4 were easy as hell , why didn't gamefreak give them mega evolution? rivals were easy a forgettable , you get handed 2 starters! one from kanto and one from kalos
@@marleyhicks7263 S&M are just as easy as X&Y, but is plagued with long and boring cutscenes. They literally TELL you what's super effective or not, and your starter gets a wide arrange of coverage moves for nearly any situation. The starters in sun and moon are so universally hated, the pokemon fans are hoping the new grass starter doesn't end up like incineroar. The online was better, MEGAS are far superior to z moves, breeding and shiny hunting wasn't an absolute chore. Sun and moon are objectively worse games. This isn't even mentioning it's biggest problem, you AREN'T the protagonist. The game should be called pokemon Lillie, because for all of it you're just a side kick. Also Delphox is very popular, only chesnaught is really hated and I honestly Don't get it.
i’m playing these for the first time right now as a gen I skipped. two hours in it’s done itself zero favors, I wanna scream + rip my hair out because I have zero agency to do what I want
I think it was USUM that ultimately ruined gen 7. It exposed the problems with SM, USUM and the entire business practice of gamefreak, Pokémon company, creatures inc, Nintendo or whoever it was. I’m not gonna act like SM was perfect but it at least tried to be something (even tho it was purposely left unfinished).
Why are the Kalos Gym Leaders so forgettable when many older gym leaders are still stuck in their gyms? Is it just nostalgia? If it does it doesnt explain Hoenn and Sinnoh ones. Nothing is more useless than the Rotom Dex map, in the overworld they just laid out everything, ruining the surprise, while in the few caves that it could be useful in, the map is unusable. Since the protagonists have to be as silent and generic as possible "because muh player stand in" how would you make them more expressive in cutscenes?
The reason I hate alola is cause it’s so tropical like literally it’s biggest selling point is tropical with jazz hands I live in a tropical island so it’s the same thing I see every day so it’s meh. Like hoenn is tropical and it didn’t need to scream tropical. The fact that the name of the region and the greeting is the same and they only change one letter so it’s not aloha. The totems were good you needed a semblance of strategy but the trial portion annoying puzzles. Finally the starters are the worst starter trio ever.
I think main reason gen 7 maybe won't be more appreciated with time , is the hand holding. Unlike gen 5 replaying gen 7 feels like a choir , also the sequel games most of the love for gen 5 is the amazing sequels which gen 7 honestly could've done without
@@paballophokwane3876 oh my God yes hand holding I know it's so prominent in both gen6 and 7 games. Don't you think it's prominent in gen8 and 9 games as well?
@sakshamkumaraggarwal3140 definitely i don't think pokemon is going in a very good direction , gen 7 certainly is better than what came after . I don't think their bad games if your new to pokemon but having played for a decade , i can't lie and not say it's frustrating to have everything explained to me with constant slow cutscenes
My opinion has always been that the Pokemon games’ single player experiences got better and better with more fleshed out plots from 1-5, absolutely peaking in story telling, content, and post game in Black 2 & White 2. Then Gen 6 came and like….honestly i can *not* for the life of me figure out what happened there. I know people say a Z could’ve saved Gen 6 in the court of public opinion but i disagree! I think the reason we didn’t get a Z version was because it was already unsalvageable. At any rate though, i believe Sun and Moon took a step back in the right direction. I personally didn’t like it, i prefer gyms over those ridiculous island trials, i really didn’t like Z-moves, the map design and dungeons were *far* to simple. But compared to Gen 6 the plot was actually really interesting, the characters had a bit more agency, (a *bit*) I fucking *loved* Alolan forms, etc. There was some smaller stuff too that i think ultimately made it a much more enjoyable and familiar experience than Gen 6. X and Y were seriously devoid of most things that i consider staple of Pokemon and make it what it is for me, and Sun and Moon brought…. *some* of those things back. SOME. Of course USUM were basically the same fucking game, so that was lame. But then SWSH pretty much took all the steps back to Gen 6 and then went even further and further till now? Gen 8 is almost objectively the worst Gen. Its not even close tbh.
Personally I give X and Y a bit of slack due to those games being their first 3D games. They had to make a new region (with all of the implications of that), 72 new pokemon, 721 3D pokemon models, all 3D trainer models, mega forms for a decent amount of Pokemon, etc. I can forgive them for putting story and characters on the backburner.
@@snorlaxhi4930 I think the fans were too harah on Gen 5. It's the gen wherein GF really gave their all. Story Gym Leaders who are part of the story Music
i feel as if the reason we had the player character as more of a side character is because the pokémon company wants the player character to be blank slates for the player to use for emertion purposes and so they can actually tell a story with a main character that can actually emote and talk. name one thing that makes Red, Gold, Brenden, Lucas, Hilbert, Nate, Calem, Sun, and Victor different from each other or one character triat we are told about, i mean strictly from the games not the manga where they are real characters? exactly nothing they’res all the same. in the manga Red’s a happy go lucky guy just catching pokémon that can’t swim, Gold is a pervy play boy that gambles and rides a scateboard, Brenden/Ruby is obsessed with contests and is a germaphobe, Lucas/Diamond loves food and wants to become a famous comedian, i haven’t read hilbert/black’s story yet but from what i’ve seen he looks up to Red as a role model which is adorable haha, Nate/Agent Bw2 is a bad ass secret detective has a higher rank than Looker and is a very charming lady’s man which he uses to his advantage and helps get intel about a possible culprit, Sun is trying to make a lot of money to do with is unknown to me and i don’t knkw what Victor does since i haven’t read the sword and shield manga but i know Gloria the girl playable character is into growing medical herbs. man i wish the people who wrote the manga would write the games too its so much better 😔 even Satoshi Tagirii agrees (sorry if i mispelled his name)
oh also i forgot to talk about Calem/Xavier in the manga it starts with him already being famous and suffers from litterally depression and anxiety for being seen by fans that the only way he’d go on an adventure is if they transform Yvette(Serana)’s Ryhorn into a wagon and have a sheet on top of it for him to hide underneath
Don't blame you. The trial captains could've been a island version of a Gym Leader and not having them battle at the near at the end of the game. Most of the Gen 3 pokemon should've gotten regional forms like Gen 1 Pokemon, could've made some pokemon to shine in a different light.
@@miguelsmusicstuff I hope I didn't come off as pretentious. I think these regional forms would have work. 1. Clamperl Water Rock Type evolving through holding the original items, Huntail (Water/Dark type) as a scary moray and Gorebyss (Water/Psychic Type) as a dolphin like fish. 2. Poochyena line as a Dark/Fighting Type. 3. Trapinch as bug type with the evolutionary line be Bug/Dragon type. 4. Torkoal as a Water/Fire type sea turtle with a evolution like Torolkanic with a geyser spewing out in battle. 5. Shuppet evolution line be a Dark/Ghost Type. 6. Aron evolutionary line as a Steel/Dragon type with a more ceratposian-like body. 7. Spoink evolution line as a Ground/Fighting Type. 8. Wailmer Water/Ground type and Wailord as more of a Humpback whale body. Plus, giving it more useful moves and be a ridable pokemon. Also, only close to Onix size. 9. Tropius as a Grass/Dragon type. 10. Slakoth evolutionary line should've been a Normal/Fighting Type with a giant sloth appearance. 11. Solrock as Fire/Psychic Type and Lunatone as a Ice/Psychic Type. This is just my silly ideas.
@@TomboyGamerGal I was using those as good examples. But, yeah. You right. Other generations pokemon could've gotten regional forms to filled the PokeDex like fixing stats, usefulness, appeal and type coverage. It shouldn't be hard to have pokemon of generations to fixed the type matchups, they should've just put it in the sequel games. Also, thank you for calling my ideas creative. I'm going off the top of my head Gen 3. All the generation pokemon are tricky to come up a good regional forms to fit Alola region, I'll probably think of something good. By the way, your Elite Four and Champion playthrough was good. I add a like to your Sun and Moon videos.
Why make so many changes and keep the same freaking starter types ... I mean you get rid of gyms but can't even do things like rock/flying/fighting starters and make ice and dragons available early?
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I had a 30 second cold opening of this video that kept making the video demonetized. Here's the link if you want to watch it: ruclips.net/video/Vbnip3GTFWA/видео.html
Time Stamps:
2:37 Part 1: Positives
6:16 Part 2: The Island Trials
9:03 Part 3: The Z-Moves
10:35 Part 4: Regional Forms
12:18 Part 5: The Map Design/Riding Pokémon
15:23 Part 6: Hand-Holding
17:58 Part 7: Story and the Cutscenes
22:31 Part 8: Lillie
25:58 Part 9: Incomplete Game and Conclusion
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i played these games almost five years ago and barely remember anything about them unlike gen 6
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
If you honestly think everyone is going to find it entertaining to hear you complain, I have news for you: I don’t find it entertaining!
I could easily remember Ramos’ name (not only without you telling me but also without me having to look it up)!
Nihilego looking like Lillie is because of Lusamine's obsession with Nihilego, since Lusamine forcing Lillie to dress the way she does is a major part of Lillie's backstory. It's never explicitly stated, so it's a pretty good example of subtle visual storytelling. This is one of the many things USM did worse, since in USM Lusamine wasn't obsessed with Nihilego, so she had no reason to force Lillie to dress like one. In SM it actually served a purpose and tied things together, in USM it's like a bunch of loose threads laying around that don't connect to anything else.
1. Lillie was already dressing up like Nihilego even before Lusamine met Ultra Beasts
2. Doesn't explain Guzma, Gladion, and Lusamine looking Ultra Beasts
@@GireumRed My best guess is that the UBs were designed before that part of the story was decided, or maybe the devs just thought they were being clever without actually explaining themselves.
@@GireumRed it is stated by Lilly “my mom always picks my clothes”
@Guto yes! the pokémon manga is such an underrated master piece atleast gen’s 1-4 were heart gold and soul silvers was a little boring same as Fire Red and Leaf Green but other than those two whatta trip
@@GireumRed Lusamine was studying Ultra Beasts years before you met her in the game. She even created a new species of artificial Pokemon specifically to counter them.
Lillie's arc is about becoming self-reliant.
To escape Aether she needed to rely on Nebby.
To save Nebby she needed to rely on you.
To get to a ruin she needed to rely on Oliva.
To ward off a Team Skull Grunt she needed you again.
The Bridge Scene is her taking a step towards relying on herself more and other less. That's why the confrontation with her mother has HER confronting her. Sure, she still needs help; she isn't a trainer herself and doesn't set out to be one until the end, but she confronts her mother because that's HER arc.
If only there was a real sequel.
I agree, I just wish we played in Lillie's perspective :(
Thank you for this! I agree with all the video expect his Lillie segment, you worded exactly what I was thinking!
Lillie just uses the player as a weapon.
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
@@shpaghettishpaghetti6219 When you think about it more, thats all the player character has ever been, especially in these games
I miss Mega Evolutions. They were the perfect gimmick because it actually fits with Pokémon. Now they're just doing random bullshit each game
mega evolutions shouldve been it man
they were quality
now its complete shit
since sun n moon woth z moves and all that random shit it turned me off
sword n shields gimmick were conceptually bad
and crystalize is so far removed i cant take this seriously
every pokemon shouldve had a mega form and i was waiting and expected that with xy and oras
@@dankura we haven’t gotten too many games in the non-mega evolution universe in a while so
@@dankura I agree man. Sigh... I'm glad I don't buy their games anymore (only bought SwSh and PLA on the Switch, both made me sell the Switch). We can only hope they somehow make it up with Gen 10, since it is a nice number worth a good game but I don't expect anything really.
You're totally correct, but because of these damned genwunners we can't have good stuff
And have them stack up with further gimmicks that don't require Held Items? Heck no!
Think you can beat a Dynamax Mega Rayquaza with Flying Tera Type boosting Dragon Ascent's STAB without losing at least 3 Pokémon in the team? Well, good luck.
I was actually thinking about your point on how Lillie is actually the main character of the story while we, the player, are tasked with doing the heavy lifting and thought "why can't the player be the fusion of Lillie and us?" We would take the place of Lillie in the story, and her being timid could explain why we are mute and our lack of expression in the cutscenes. We would escape from Lusamine and try to live a normal life that we always wanted completing island challenges and collecting Pokemon. Eventually, our past will catch up with us and that moment where Lillie shouts at her mom could be us, which would be the first time the player would actually speak in the story. It be a fun break and subversion of expectations with the usual trends in Pokemon storytelling, and could've possibly made the SM story better. Just a thought I guess.
That's a bit too convoluted for a mainline pokemon game but I like the idea ; v ;
For once a game protagonist would have some Character Development.
It seems like people just want the story to be about them. I think that's mostly just because the older games were completely about the player and now Sun and Moon are not.
@@thabluetails well pokemon has always been a power fantasy game, where you defeat crime organisations, ecoterrorists trying to flood/desertify the world, or end the universe, but Sun and Moon actually introduces a more grounded realistic plot that explores their characters in new ways with the theme of abuse being central to many of the characters, while ironically being a much more wacky and otherwordly game with ultra beasts.
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
Sun and Moon is honestly one of my all-time favorite Pokemon games. Yes, it has its problems. It was a little too hand-holdy, it went a little too hard on the cutscenes, and USUM was basically just glorified DLC. But it was the first pokemon game I ever played where I actually found myself CARING about the human characters. I don't care what anyone else says, Sun and Moon had good writing. It was simple writing, granted, but it was still good.
Very much agree. I think the ammount of time you actually spend with them doing mundane things with the characters is what allows them to shine.
It's also the only pokemon game that gives characters to the pokemon themselves and you care about the boxart legendary.
Honistly Pokemon Sun and Moon were great I never got most of the complaints people had with it. The story doing most of the work having one of the best in the main series.
Honestly, the main problem I have with it, is that the replayability is low, With all the unskipable cutscenes and lack of side areas to explore.
@@ShinyGreninja14 yeah and the post game is nothing its a good game but it's a one and done
I liked them too but the first island is a bit of a hassle to get through. Other than that I didn't hate them.
They weren't "great". Decent enough, sure, but that's it. It's good they tried new things with it though, I'll say that much. Ultra Beasts were unnecessary. Little replayability. Annoying hallways instead of actual exploration. Clearly rushed at the end ("oh yeah, I'm a captain... but I have no trial for you. Tee-hee!").
I don't know if it's GF or TPC not allotting enough budget, but it's been showing more and more. The devs either need more time or more people. Shame because you can feel good ideas in their works, but sadly always as "could have been"s.
Yes, it was the most enjoyable to me actually lol, it was the best to me
I require my $100. I named Ramos correctly. My brain retains useless information well. I'm not sure if that a trait worth bragging about, though...
I forgot that's the Grass Gym Leader's name. Gireum was right that Kalos Gym Leaders were forgettable. It angers me that the third version of X/Y got dumped in a garbage can in favor of... Sun and Moon.
For some reason he’s the only one I remember
@S W Since Gen VI, GameFreak neglected and rushed their games period.
As for their upcoming BD/SP games and LA, I haven't seen more new trailers. I have a feeling that those games are going to be mediocre like Sw/Sh. But hey-- I'm not getting it as I retired from the series after Ultra Trash. They're not gonna pull that shit on me again.
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
Kerry Wien Okay parrot, we get it. And once we finish the tutorial game on how to play Pokemon, the game dies.
You know when I saw the chapter name convention i was like “wait does this video only have 6 chapters” bc i just forgot the sequels existed
if i wanted to i could have done Lillie One: A Pokemon Story or Lillie-Lo: A Pokemon Story
@@GireumRed can you ranked all the Pokémon generations
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
@@kerrywien6775 jesus christ why did you spam this on every comment what the fuck
Let's Go's rideable pokemon and following pokemon should be in every game moving forward, buuuuuuuuuuuut....
I cannot agree hard enough.
I like following Pokémon as much as the next, but as a newer fan, can someone tell me why everyone is crazy about them in a civil way? (I don’t like people who think they’re better than me just because I’m not as familiar with certain mechanics)
@@lovelyprincesssarah I can't believe people are rude about you being new. That's a totally normal and fun way to be. I'm new to Zelda and it's been so fun getting to go back to old games.
I think it just adds a lot of character to the world, and gives the collecting of pokemon more of a visible effect since you get to see them all the time and interact with them more. It's immersive.
@S W Breath of the Wild so far, but I've been playing through the 3ds remaster of Ocarina of Time and it's great.
I'd rather have HMs Back in the game than Following Pokemon. Allow me to use my Pokemon for getting by troubles than something that is just for Fluff.
POV: It's been 5 years?! Where the f*ck did time go? Oh wait-
Byleth: wtf?
HUH
To be fair; that Teachy TV in FireRed and LeafGreen was kinda funny because it wasn't forcing you to do this for continuing the game, unlike the trainer-school in Alola, Festival Plaza in UsUm or the uninteresting, unnecessary dialogs (even more than in the Alola games) in SwSh.
At least, that Teachy TV was optional whenever you want. 🤷🏻♂️
At least FR/LG lets you play the damn game unlike S/M. Nearly all the NPC's can put a cork in it on negligible conversations.
I hear a lot of complaints about the game babying you and having to get through a lot of stuff, instead of actually complaining about the content itself. To me it sounds like people want to skip everything instead of actually giving it a chance. Honestly I think the main problem here is that there should have been an option to skip these things and the things themselves aren't really the problem.
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
True but honestly as a kid I found FRLG so confusing like I forgot about Teachy TV and was so confused on where to go, what's more was that the old man teaches you how to catch Pokemon but I was still figuring out how he got to the PokeBalls in the bag. I was confused how to use HMs or what TMs and HMs were and the fact that there's something called a TM Case, the fact that your pokemon is sent to the PC after your party is full. While I don't want it to be super hand-holdy, FRLG was difficult for me to understand basic concepts in Pokemon.
Am I the only one who was stuck for ages until realizing there's a Team Rocket Grunt in the Game Corner and/or Surf is in the Safari Zone?
people are saying sm is too handholdy when we have the teachy tv, multiple help menus, the help button, npcs that don’t do anything but talk about the help menu or teachy tv…it’s not immersive, and immersiveness is one of the best parts of sun and moon
"You probably won't remember the gym leaders of X and Y"
*Pokemon XYZ the series would like to have a word with u*
i can't even remember there names and i grew up watching the anime
@@eriklazo5499 okay buddy im a have to take u to the barbershop rq, we gotta run this fade
@@rcthekinglol7973 XD
Who watches the Pokemon anime these days?
@@TomboyGamerGal me in order to feel a bit of joy again since high school is pretty much killing my will to live
My only issue with gen 7 is the cutscenes being unskippable and the existence of the most annoying thing in existence,rotom dex
But other than that I feel like they did everything right..I mean I would've been happier with more mega evolution instead of z-moves but it's whatever
My main improvement I actually really love is hms no longer being a thing,this was the first time in the series that we got to have fully freed up teams and it was honestly a huge plus
Pokémon Moon was my first ever Pokémon game (I was a little late to the scene) and it holds a special place in my heart. The Hawaiian aesthetic, it just feels warm and comforting
Same, mine was Ultra Moon. I had like 180 hours on that thing
Damn it sucks that i never got to be a pokemon fan because gen 7 was my first gen and i hated it
To me, the story of this game should be the main selling point. It's an amazing story, although I do agree that we have way to many cutscenes, I enjoyed the plot twist we faced with Lusamine being the actual villain (even though it was predictable) and that Team Skull was almost like a sub-division on the Aether Foundation. This was the last good Pokémon game, specially because even though it's not perfect by any means, it's still a very enjoyable experience because the bad DO NOT overtake the good in this game (SWORD AND SHIELD TAKE FUCKING NOTES)
The story is a bit of a double edged sword in my opinion. When you’ve never done it before it’s amazing and probably the best in the series. When you’re replaying the game it’s a massive chore and really annoying because of all the cutscenes.
Wait, i didnt even realize there were so many people who didnt like this game lol
Same
I wonder if how awful Gen 8 proved to be has softened a lot of those haters' opinions on these games.
@@animatedink2529 no, it’s just that these are generally good games and that other games aren’t criticized as much because of nostalgia
Man, people were screaming abt this game lmao
You do realise that these same many people are the ones who hated on BW and B2W2 and are the reason why we are getting crappy SwSh and SV. SV still has qol changes but f SwSh man. The quality had risen up again gen7
Adore Gen 7 so much. I respect all the complaints people have but my subjective opinion is they are top tier Pokémon games. Love Gen 7 and the Alola region forever bro.
I agree i kinda miss it, wish it was the game that got ported to switch
Gen 7 is amazing.
Amen. Love Gen 7. Love Sun & Moon and I enjoyed Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon.
I agree!
Same! i really liked it a lot, and I’ve been playing Pokémon since gen 2 lmao. i love the region, characters and features. Sure, it’s hand holdy but I really loved all the new Pokémon introduced and although z moves are kinda cheesy it’s not as awful as the cheap “dynamax” 😪
I don't know how to feel that there exists a paper mache of a Mii version of Masuda's head laying somewhere around in Game Freak's office.
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
I would absolutely love to have played as Lillie. I was invested in Sun/Moon's story, but so sorely disappointed at my blank-stared protagonist ruining the scenes by being useless and expressionless. If they wanted to focus more on story, they should've gone all in. [With a skip cutscene option, of course] Imagine that Lillie is basically the same character, but with a customizable appearance. She can be male or female, and the Lillie we know is just her canon appearance. It would've probably divided people even more to have a protagonist with a defined personality, but at least Game Freak would be trying new avenues for the series. Would be a way better idea for a one generation gimmick than Z-moves or Dynamax.
It was been amazing if You can play as lillie or Gladion. The Main character has defined personality and You are related with your mother Lusamine, Aether foundation... And You have tl growth, becoming strong with our Pokémon
I gotta disagree that ORAS and XY focused on AZ and Xinea, they barely appeared
Which is a shame for AZ because he was legitimately fascinating and I wish we got a real "final cut" instead of XY, because it had potential, instead of a rushed SM just so that it could release on the 20th anniversary
@@sephikong8323 I wanted to know why he was so god damn tall
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
@@kerrywien6775 I thought that alola had a lot of really great concepts and ideas. But at least to me it is really obvious that a lot of features were rushed and/or cut. I think if the game had maybe an extra year or two of development then it would’ve been a lot better
@@pandastical9205 Don't bother. He's spamming the same comment on various threads.
Sun and Moon (no, not USUM) are my favorite Pokémon game, no cap.
It was great as a first play through. The characters were pretty likable IMO, it helped fix the overly easy nature of XY, it actually had the full dex in game, and Alola had some interesting differences to the usual gym challenges.
Also, fuck the Rotom dex from USUM.
Team RR Arc in USUM is awesome dude and the ability to acquire legends from past generations
Team RR is singlehandedly the only reason USUM could ever compete with SM
Ah yes, my favorite Pokémon. Famous Voice actress Tara Strong.
z moves sound good at first glance until you realize how cringe they can be, legit the character does a random cringe tik-tok-dance and then suddenly your pokemon becomes a totem for the animation of 1 move. Not only that but protect completely ruins the z-move
I liked the map since I play this game in large bursts, meaning when I came back I needed a reminder of where I was supposed to go. But it would've been better to give us the option to turn it off or change it to a different program. Makes me wish they kept something like DevNav, it was one of the best features of ORAS.
FRLG did a great job in showing flashbacks of recent places we had been while DPPt had a journal that chronicles what we recently captured and where we had went.
@@zjzr08 those features don't tell me where I'm supposed to go next though, just where I've been before. So if I put down Pokemon Platinum for a month, picked it up, then looked at the journal, I wouldn't know where to go next unless I played the game several times.
@@kiwikarp9509 I guess this is where there may be differing opinions, where some players like not knowing where to go next, going to whenever they want to as long as the goal pushes forward (hence why some like going off-map and skip Gym order)
Personally though, while old maps are big, they aren't too complicated, so I don't see the need for hints per se.
I remember when people really hated Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire when it came out, to me it seems like people just hate on everything new regardless of what it actually is.
@@kiwikarp9509 Yeh very true, that happends to me often not only in Pokémon, If I Need/ I want to stop playing the game for a few days, when I come back I forgot What I should do and I have to Cheack on YT. I think than SWSH found a nice soulution to the problem, If you open the menù It Tells you where you Need to go but It's NOT Always in your face.
I literally just bought this game (moon) preowned, yesterday for 11$ cause if birthday GameStop discount and $5 coupon I didn’t know I had saved. I’ve heard peoples issues about the game but I did actually enjoy the anime series on the alola region and the characters in it, so I’ve always wanted to try it out. Ima come back to this later once I beat it though, I’d like to hear a recent review on it
Nice! the anime is my favorite out of all the others lol
did you like it
@@temmie2032 he never came back
@@temmie2032 The game killed him
@@blackdot105 its that good I guess
It's kind of unfair to compare any new game to gen 5, lets be honest
How? Game Freak still has the resources to make games as good as gen 5, but they won't.
And if we are not constantly praising gen 5 while shitting on everything afterward then we are somehow sub human beings
So at least Gen 4 or 3, but even then there's issues comparing those, still.
I actually enjoy the newer games more than gen 5 lol
@@WindyWooshes I enjoy the newer games better, but gen five is fundamentally better in terms of game balance and features
Pokémon sure loves its unskippable cutscenes and tutorials.
So does pretty much every modern game at this point.
Him giving great points and arguments:
Me: 5 years?.....
So, not sure if this has been brought up yet but I guess I'll say it anyways. About the laziness of the Island Trials, I remember hearing a while ago (around the time the games came out) that gym leaders were originally planned for Sun and Moon, but near the end of development, Masuda (or someone else) came up with the idea of Island Trials and rushed to implement them into the games. Can't confirm how legitimate this is but it does explain why most of the trials are lazy. Not trying to defend the game, just thought this was something interesting to mention. :)
It doesn't sound like you're defending the game.
Tamia I don't think the island trials are that lazy, it looks like they put a lot of effort into each and every one, I hear a lot of people saying that they are lazy but I don't really hear why.
@@thabluetails they are lazy and insulting because in wela volcano trial you have to play spot the difference 3 times, each getting easier than the last until the final one which you can't answer wrong.
Acerola trial you have to take a picture of 4 pokemon that appear right in front of you.
Mina doesn't even battle you.
Kahili appears out of no where, seems like the cut golf course attached to the hanu resort might have been a place for some type of trial involving her, but that's my personal speculation.
It seems like there was a lot missing in these games.
Pirate ship and golf course in akala bothers me so much.
@@hamsandwich6685 your problem seems to be that you wanted more of a challenge from the trials which is fine although I feel like people should be happy about the change of pace in the first place. The characters and character interactions are really fun and interesting which is what mattered to me, there is something that felt different with each trial.
@@thabluetails I don't find false option dialog to be fun. As in it insults me when no matter what you choose the outcome is the same. Most of the games acts like a movie that you read with very uninteresting dialog.
I wanted more of a game out of the experience.
I also thought there was so much more depth in the lore that could have been embellishments for the game if the player was able to explore those ideas, such as the pirate ship and golf course of akala.
I loved sun and moon for the potential they have not what they really are because to me they really are less than half baked in the oven.
The way you describe this game's Sun & Monn's cutscenes reminds me all the time I had to spend watching door animations in Resident Evil Remake. Every god-forsaken door takes 7.75 seconds to pass through, and you can't skip the animation. There are so many doors that 1/3 of my playthrough was purely going through doors.
Doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors, doors. Doors, everywhere
At least the original had loading times as an excuse...
I'm sorry, but the 3rd trial is really funny. I didn't expect the hiker the first time I played it and almost died of laughter.
One thing I kinda like about this game is that you can use Zygarde on your team
My favorite part about Sun and Moon is Lillie's relationship with the protagonist. ♥️
It's really wholesome and sweet.
◍^ ᴗ ^◍
Regardless of anyones opinion on S&M, I don't think I'm wrong when I say things got a lot worse after it
I still enjoy the games
But gen 5 was definitely peak and then Pokémon started falling off. The games got easier even though they’re not supposed to be hard but I think pokemon will always work best on a 2D screen
The best part of sun and moon was definitely how it tried to mix things up
Which is why it's my favorite on the list of Pokemon games (Not including Arceus since I haven't played too deep into yet)
I enjoyed the Ultra beasts, the return of the trainers from the old games, the stuff with Anabel and Looker, battle tree and recruiting trainers and how the trials had a different feel to it.
Last game I played before that was black. I got mid way and I wasn't really feeling it so I abandoned it. Moon I put a hell of a lot of work In.
I don't consider ripping off Yo-kai Watch "mixing it up"
How to fix these games:
• Stop making one dimension characters and completely develop them giving them more than 3 appearance or text boxes
• Lusamine and Guzma were the only rescuable thing for me but they felt incomplete. Just like almost any character in the main saga. Not telling everything and limiting to some text (last point) ruins your potential.
• Imagine Lillie really taking example on your avatar and really growing strong, even helping you to fight in crucial situations like Lusamine or Nihilego. Imagine making a postgame where some years pass and she returns to the region after a journey to be an optional strong boss instead of fucking Red who did REALLY took you as THE example. Do you like real woman who became strong or... A crybaby who never grows up? Its funny because in the Spin off Mystery Dungeon Explorer of the Sky you also have a close character (your partner) who probably loves you and REALLY START BEING WEAK to be developed step by step INTO SOMEONE STRONG AND SMART taking example on the effort of YOUR AVATAR. The gap is noticeable. And it's a big loss because i would love to see a Lillie like that.
• Imagine if Lillie and your avatar did REALLY start a relationship and for USUM the main character was other and she was Married after several years timeskip with your contrary gender avatar as... A fucking Elite 4 with her husband/wife being the champion.
• Imagine if fucking USUM was a game where you as another NEW and not recycled avatar was a game where in pure Chrono Cross fashion (a PS1 game) you did explore 2 worlds: Homeworld where everything was right like your SM avatar did everything right and Alter World where everything went wrong and you have to fix the dark consequences (Example: Lusamine dead, your first avatar dead, ultra beast domination over people, Guzma not reforming etc etc) and avoid any chance of the Alter World fusing with Homeworld.
But nope, better make half-done characters who could be good, make many fillers and you have another game. Given the fanbase's opinion on much spin offs and GEN5 back in the day it ends being understandable. I really would have liked a story like i did point above.
Yikes... When fanon easily beats canon.
And of course we didnt talk about the gameplay. Gen 1 and 2 are excused to have 1v1 like NES Dragon Quest 1 because of GB limitations. But we are not in the GB anymore. 2v2 or 3v3 should be the norm. Difficulty curve issues, and several other problems which are recurring in the series. Yikes.
Sun & Moon is THE BEST Pokémon game since HeartGold & SoulSilver
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
YES AMEN TO THAT! i adore heart gold and sun/moon are my second favorites
Sun and moon are prolly worse then sword and shield.
@@lemur1129 no, nothing could ever be as bad as that
I mean BW was the peak of Pokémon and that came right after HGSS.
The original Pokémon sun and moon are the only Pokémon games cheaper than the retail price. These games were devalued by their ultra versions and lack of post game.
8:15 that aged like wine
Oh god I forgot about this line, nice catch
I honestly hate the excuse game freak uses of "kids are so much more easily distracted by their phones so we need to make the games easier and quicker for them to play cuz we're competing with their attention" like yeah I will say that is objectively true there are a lot more ways for kids to entertain themselves with more instant gratification than when I was a kid playing red blue yellow gold silver Crystal even the DS Sarah Diamond pearl and platinum they were less distractions and those games were the only ways for us to entertain ourselves on the go. However the most insulting thing and really shows you how burnt out and careless they are with Pokemon now is their reaction to that challenge they didn't go "oh wow kids have more distractions these days well we better make sure we make these games as engaging and fun as possible to keep their attention" they went wow we're going to have to work extra hard and be more creative to create a game to keep kids engaged? That's way too much effort let's just dumb down everything and cut as many corners as possible as long as we slap the Pokemon name on it it will sell who cares"
Pros: new Pokémon designs
Very pretty art style
Pulls away from the usual gym stuff
Cons: way too much dialogue
No opportunity for exploration
Too much hand holding
I think Lilly not being in let's go was a huuuuge missed opportunity 🤦 she should have been an optional post-game battle
Yet they included Mina only for some reason and made her younger, meaning that it would've been chronologically impossible for Lillie and Gladion to be in Kanto lol. Gen 7 is a goddamn mismanaged mess.
@@christianmckee2116I think Mina got focus in LGPE as an "apology" for giving her a bad first impression in SM with not giving her a trial (and she also was given one in USUM, albeit a fetch quest many didn't like)...that being said I agree Lille probably would be better and kinda tie in with her leaving from Alola.
It's adorable how you pronounce Lillie.
I pronounce it like this as well. That's probably due to the anime.
24:12 I think tha gamefreak has forgotten what makes a videogame different from a film or movie... Its the interactivity, and the fact that YOU are the main character. I dont get why gamefreak is so adimate about having you be a side character to some other main character, its counter to what videogames, especially RPGs are about. What if the player's role here? Same as always, get all the pokemon and the badges, go through the game. But every other game there's more to it. Your role involves stopping an evil team, doing something bigger than just catching every pokemon.
I'd personally argue that it is rather common for RPGs/adventure games to have the protagonist/POV character to be a generic chosen one and a silent protagonist who acts as players mirror to the soul, with the party members and/or other major characters being the heart of the story. Super Paper Mario, Undertale/Deltarune, a good number of Shin Megami Tensei games, Majoras Mask (and Twilight Princess as well), Fire Emblem Three Houses and Fantasy Life are a few examples that come to my mind when it comes to games where the supporting characters are the real main characters and the player character is just in for the ride, and those are just tip of the iceberg. Sure, there are more active protagonists in RPGs who are actual characters w character arcs and such (the Trails and Tales of games come to mind), but they are actual characters rather than avatars the player projects into. Pokemon is a series where I feel having a protagonist being an actual character rather than a blank slate won't work, largely because how a big appeal of pokemon is immersion and kinda, US becoming part of the world.
@@dovevanity4252 The thing is in all of those other games, the player character actually *does* things that help the plot. Sure, the story comes largely from a lot of the other characters, and yeah that is part of what makes pokemon work, but my point is that gamefreak has gotten away from even that. Remember how the pokemon going crazy was just litterally a news headline that Leon took care of in SWSH? Its that sort of thing thats the problem with pokemon nowadays. It doesnt break the immersion to have the player actually have some agency in the story.
@@Jdudec367 somewhat. Lillie is the main protagonist, she still drives the plot forward. Its what she does that makes the climax happen. However, yes the player actually does have *some* agency in gen 7. Obviously, that is long gone by gen 8.
@@dovevanity4252 Not Shin Megami Tensei. Even though SMT has silent protagonists, it’s still ultimately the player’s story. SMT focuses all about the player’s choices and those choices ultimately decide whether you get a Law, Neutral or Chaotic ending. Your character drives the plot forward and the ending you get is based on your actions/choices so it feels earned.
I don't know about that I understand how you feel but pretty much every game with a silent protagonist works this way, I mean can you honestly say that games like BioShock Infinite or Half-Life 2 are truly about the character you're playing as. Sun and moon doesn't seem that much different.
Honestly thank you for pointing out the issue with the story with Lily. When I played it I couldn't help feeling like I was just a glorified escort / bodyguard / battler for her because apparently her stupid morals won't let her battle Pokemon but she's more than happy to let me battle Pokemon for her when she needs help and protecting nebby oh oh yeah the legendary Pokemon who saves that Lily is the savior and best friend of the legendary box Pokemon not you the story is about Lily and her mom you are just there on the side. It didn't really feel like my Pokemon Journey it felt like I was just going through the emotions until she comes running to me screaming and crying for help. No I don't want to play an entire game where it's just one long escort Mission screw that
I liked sun and Moon but I do agree that there quite a few flaws that the game has. I get what you mean by saying it feels incomplete but at the same time. Literally every other gen has this issue before the third version comes out (RS, DP) so with that logic everyone should hate every single first version. As for USUM it was a missed opportunity for GameFreak to do sequels again but I guess since BW2 sold so low they assumed the fans have spoken and have steered away from making more ambitious sequels. Perhaps that what XY were gonna get before they were scrapped altogether.
I remember playing this game and disliking just how on the rails it felt. This is what truly made me feel like Pokémon was only for kids.
Mean while Black and White doesn't bother too much. X and Y a few handholding and lets you explore without a device (Rotom Dex) telling you to go back on the journey.
Yeah we need a Pokemon game that's not for kids, includes gore, has adult stuff, shit like that, right? You guys don't learn to respect stuff and then regret. Believe me, USUM will become the new B2W2 in a few years
@@M1551NGN0
Two years ago I just wanted a less linear Pokémon game. I got that with Legends Arceus.
@@peanutmuttplays104 well and PLA also did contain a bit PG problematic stuff. Like you take fall damage, Pokemon attack you directly, people can be killed, and the world is just more brutal and not child friendly. That's the closest one could get to a not safe for kids pokemon game
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Yeah it was nice.
I liked the flat 2D trainers in X and Y, I thought they were charming
same
Both of you are the type of people to say a piece of paper is charming
@@ChimblyTheSlimeexactly😂
@@ChimblyTheSlimePaper Mario and Danganronpa fans: Are we a joke to you?
Oh, wow. Lillie as the playable character would have been absolutely incredible for the story.
finally an youtube channel that actually give credits to the music sources... instead of just giving to the people who fund the channel
Gireum: makes a star wars reference
Me: Good Gireum good
It's a chore replaying this game, so massive props man. Great review
I'm not trying to defend Gamefreak or anything but there are 7 trial captains because that's the amout of colors the rainbow has (even the colors associated to their types are the same from the rainbow)
the designs of the gen 7 roster are also fantastic. Best starter designs in any pokemon gen, first and only truly successful pika clone in mimikyu, great designs that it's surprising never showed up before like anchor pokemon, sandcastle pokemon, water spider pokemon, school of fish pokemon, the early bug evolves into something really strong & cool, the regional variant concept is amazing with real gems like muk, legendary memes like exeggutor, and *finally* some love for raichu. And yeah, the ultra beasts are cool & weird as heck and actually feel threatening. Even the box legends were cool, and meaningfully worked into the game's narrative via Lillie & Nebby. And the sos mechanic was not only a compelling new shiny hunting method, it also implied life & ecology to wild pokemon apart from just existing to be caught by the player. The pokemon themselves have always been the most important part of the pokemon franchise, and sun & moon probably did the best job of any new gen games in this regard.
Yeah i really loved the pokemon designs of gen 7 too. And that is why i was somewhat disappointed by gen8 designs.
Gen 8 designs weren't terrible, there were some real gems here & there. The dragapult line are among the best pseudo-legendary designs ever, some of the Galarian forms are great, and I absolutely adore polteageist. But yeah, the overall average quality is a step down from gen 7 in creativity, vivacity, and charm.
I just hoped they got Horde Battles back though, I felt it could've been a staple format.
Yeah it seems like the thing that is universally loved about these games are the Pokemon designs. I love almost all the Pokemon introduced in Sun and Moon, primarina 4 life.
Rotom's blinking used to drive me INSANE. I played with a post it note on the bottom screen. I did like wearing sunglasses all the time so it looked like my character was high with her dopey smile in all circumstances
I absolutely loved Sun and Moon. The graphics were amazing and I think the new Pokemon were great!
Lol
They're not perfect but I found them enjoyable.
absolutely agree, some of my favorite in the series actually
The super lengthy un-skipable Cutscenes are an insult to Us! the 20 year experience veteran players!!
I loathed Sun and Moon primarily because I had tasted X and Y, which offered a tease of what the games could be like in 3D and what an older protagonist could look like in the universe... it felt so fresh and promising (apart from the story), but then Sun and Moon came along with five-year-old protagonists and far less customization than X and Y had already showed were possible. Didn't like the aesthetic or camera control compared to X and Y, either... and really hated the fact that the D-pad as a optional control device was dropped entirely... the 3DS sticks were okay, but nowhere near as good for accurate small movements as the D-pad.
Also, in terms of memorability, that's pretty subjective - even though I spent longer in Sun/Moon than X/Y, I don't remember a single character... apart from the friend/rival (don't recall his name). I vaguely remember Team Skull, but I found them incredibly thematically annoying. Sure, Team Yell was worse, but the moment I saw the daggy, heads-lolling-to-the-side Skull members I facepalmed, and I don't recall a single Skull encounter where I wasn't desperate to skip through or past them.
Sure, Mega Evolution was a pretty average idea, but that's why I rarely (if ever) used it... unlike in Sword/Shield, where you ABSOLUTELY had to use the gimmick. Z-moves were interesting, but to use them I would have to be playing Sun or Moon...
When are we gonna start holding these multi million dollar companies to higher standards when it comes to story writing 💀 I understand it’s supposed to be a children’s game (despite the MAJORITY of its players being 19-25), but they just hand hold and completely treat the player like a baby. Even with these “deeper” plots going into somewhat more mature territory, they could absolutely push it a bit. Maybe add a bit better dialogue too that isn’t just “Hey there ___!! I am your rival!! Let’s catch em all!”
HM's where never the problem. It was just very annoying you had to sacrifice a move slot for them, especially with the shitty moves like cut and flash. If a pokemon learns these moves once and then could use these moves in field, even after they forget them for battle, this would habe been the best solution. You use YOUR pokemon for exploration and don't need to sacrifice a move slot or have an HM slave in the team.
Why did gamefreak not came up with this simple solution?
Bc they are lazy af.
The critique with the story nails it. If you as the player are not the main protagonist the story id flawed and pointless. I'm advocating to make pokemon in an open world sandbox that could slightly open open up in the first half of the game but in the second half you should be able to tackle the gyms in any order you like. Getting rid of a overarching story would fix many problems, the to long cut scenes, the hand holding etc and could be replaced through little story fragments or quests you stumble upon by exploring the world.
By this the focus would go back to you, the player, and your journey to become the champion.
Well, I guess that was fixed in BDSP with the Pokétch.
@@Night_Rider83 Don't know, I stopped playing pokemon in Gen 7.
Jokes on you I knew he was Ramos! Only because I roll in Pokémon Masters ex for shits and giggles and get annoyed whenever he shows up instead of who I actually want.
At least Troublemaker 1 Ramos is solid, but getting constant 3☆ pulls after maxing 3☆ is sadly expectred hehe.
Pokemon Sun was my first ever core series pokemon game on my first ever Nintendo device, Nintendo 2ds, that my father bought from Canada. Being an Indian, we only get to watch Pokemon on TV we can't play TCG or the core series games (Pokemon Go is popular here, though). Therefore i have feelings attached to Pokemon Sun. I deleted my file that i completed in 2018 and restarted the game and completed it with my team having ash greninja, incineroar, a decidueye that i got as a rowlet from wonder trade, a mega Charizard x from wonder trade and solgaleo and zygarde. My favourite Pokemon will always be litten and his family because they were my first ever Pokemon and i was closely attached to them. Generation 7 Pokemon games have such awesome relaxing music especially in the pokemon centre and the post game credits really brought tears into my eyes. I still remember the day 5 years back when I first completed the game as a hardcore Indian Pokemon fan. I really don't take kindly to anyone who disrespects generation 7 games. Advances in gameplay that generation 7 did:
The return of different overworld music depending on the time of day, which was originally introduced in Generation IV.
A new villainous team, Team Skull.
Eighteen Generation I Pokémon have a form unique to Alola known as a regional form; this aspect of Generation VII is based on selective pressures which occur in the real world.
The addition of the Rotom Pokédex, a special Pokédex inhabited by a Rotom that doubles as a real-time map on the bottom screen of the Nintendo 3DS.
The 3D models used for characters on the overworld are refined, and Trainers can be seen behind their Pokémon during battle, similar to Pokémon Colosseum, XD: Gale of Darkness, and Battle Revolution.
Several NPC Trainers are shown to keep their Pokémon in Poké Balls other than the standard Poké Ball.
It is possible to see stat changes during a battle.
The new QR Scanner allows players to register Pokémon in their Pokédex and receive event Pokémon.
The addition of Poké Rides, which allow players to summon Pokémon that they can ride to access otherwise inaccessible areas and thus the removal of HMs.
The addition of Hyper Training, a system that allows players to exchange special Bottle Caps to maximize the IVs of their Level 100 Pokémon.
Source: Bulbapedia
It's also the only Pokemon game up until that point where the villainous team (team skull) weren't seeking the titular legendary for its world ending power. And also the first one where a character's family problems are shown in depth rather than just being obscure like N or silver. Let's appreciate generation 7 for how unique it was, it was peak Pokemon gameplay.
My wife and I think Gen 7 is the best tbh. We love the anime and both played the games together
All I remember vividly about gen 7 was that the first few hours of playing Pokémon moon were boring as hell and ruined the overall experience down the road of the game in my opinion.
Honestly with regards to Rideable Pokemon and the removal of HMs, I was in the "likes HMs" ballpark, especially how HG/SS actually had special animations for your following Pokemon using an HM, but at the same time I was upset with how they were required to take up a move slot. I was hoping that one day a Pokemon game would make it possible to register an HM move to a Pokemon without it taking up a move slot, acting only as a summonable field move.
When I heard about the Rideable Pokemon I thought "Oh man, are they finally going to make the HMs visibly useable?" I figured that you'd be able to register your Pokemon to be able to bike, dowse, fly, surf, etc. Imagine my sadness when I discovered that, no, you're just given the ability to summon Pokemon that aren't yours to bike/dowse/whatever. That made me sad. Sure, I get to Surf on the back of a Lapras (again) or ride a Tauros, but they're not *my* Lapras or *my* Tauros. And there's lots of other non-gen-1 Pokemon I'd love to both train and ride on, like Milotic or Scolipede.
Obviously they don't need to use all of the Pokemon available, but it would've been lovely if you were able to register some of your own Pokemon for Rideable status...
This region has way too much feel of "You're a tourist" for me anyways, with the handholding and all. You're supposed to be living here, but I expected the end of the game to just have your mom come up and say that it's time to go back to Kanto and it's you leaving on the ship instead of Lillie.
Moon was such a bore, don’t know why people overhype it so much. As for Pokemon Moon, it didn’t really grab me as much as previous games did and it’s a shame to hear Ultra doesn’t improve much if anything.
I'm not sure but I think I read somewhere that Lillie looks like that one ultra beast just because her mother wanted her to be like that ultra beast
She does
I remember the first time I beat moon I was on a car trip and didn't have a car charger,the battery was in the red just before I did the champion defense battle and the battery died during the credits
Gen 7 is the worst and most boring entries in the franchise. I hate the island challenges, and I absolutely hate the cut scenes and hand holding. It also feels incredibly linear, more than any other entry, even more so than Gen 8.
Pokémon when they make a [ Skitty ] story: “It just works”
I honestly really loved sun and moon and is one of my favorites
Tbh Gen 7 was so fucking boring and the post game was non-existent
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So that sounds exactly like World of Warcraft. You do all the raids, dungeons, etc except your character isn't in ANY of the story cutscenes, while all the real main characters do stuff.
I agree on most fronts here but I have to say I liked the Z-crytals you didn't get from the island trial. The psychium-Z being within the depths of a labrynth-esque desert makes it feel like a trial that was lost to time, or how you find the buginium-Z in Guzma's throne room hinting at his desire to be a trial captain
I will tell you an anectode straight up from my Sun and Moon Experience. I was still defeating the league while a huge noise like a thunder was heard all around my neightborhood. That was, in reality, a landslide where I live, therefore, we had to evacuate all the buildings around the landslide to avoid the entire mountain crumbling to hit the adjacent buildings and start a domino effect. Well, we were ALL down the streets with the police and firemen around and if you were looking around you were looking a pretty desperate girl playing on her 3DS. Why? Because of the fucking cutscene and the fact that i was also low on battery. Like, goddammit Game Freak, 33 whole ass minutes of cutscene.
(before i get laughed at because i was still playing, it wasnt a really dangerous situation, they did that pretty late, just in case, just to make sure what the risks were, thats why we evacuated without that big of a rush and being able to bring stuff with us)
The story started off interesting, but ended mid and corny! Lusamine has to be in the top 3 worst antagonist in a Pokemon game, with one of the most underwhelming boss battle.
Nah that’s ghetsis he was pretty garbage
9:33 Except everybody spammed Z moves on strong mons such as Heatran, Tapu Koko, Kartana, Garchomp, etc. Only thing it did is buff those mons who were pretty strong to begin with
The Sun and Moon games were good, they could've been better, however the cheapest cash grab was USUM which just shows how the devs really care about the series as opposed to worshipping that of greed, itself. Also why i can't, in good conscience, buy into the series past Scarlet and Violet. I'm not even buying into their cut content trick that they've had the audacity to try again after a buggy pile, buggier than a termite mound.
All modern Pokemon games are just bad movies with a few minutes of walking gameplay.
It's like a museum of cutscenes. (Like if the COD modern warfare museum level was an entire game)
I guess the reason why I don't mind the cutscenes is because I've played many other games that have them exactly like they were in Sun & Moon, especially with most past 3D Zelda games. Whole reason I didn't like USUM was because it just utterly fucked the entire Pokémon canon for me, more than what people said about Zinnia said in ORAS with the whole Mega Evolution timeline thing. It's a multiverse now, babyyyyyyy. Trainer Red can be a grown man AND a teenager at the same time
Sun and moon was a pretty decent game. Ultra sun and moon was just bad. I gave up before the elite four. There goes my money lol
@YASH SINGH it didn't gave anything new really. It was like playing the same game right until the end with a little change.
Your opinion seems like the general consensus here, a lot of people loved sun and moon when it came out that people expected Ultra sun and moon to be a lot different and when it wasn't people didn't like it. Theoretically this would mean that if you played Ultra Sun and Moon before playing The Originals you would love them. Honestly I would sort of be fine with this argument if it wasn't for the fact that Pokemon emerald and Crystal are barely different from their original games and people love them.
@@thabluetails honestly that's true. I mainly didn't it like for how the story plot was similar with little tweaks here and there. Bw2 plot was different then bw (as an example). I would've accepted usum if i played it first
I Love alola, alola is one of the best regions in Pokémon, even though alola is a linear region, alola have 4 islands and there’s tons of optional areas in alola to explore and the new pokemons are amazing and badass, the ultra beasts are a cool concept of alien pokemons from other universes and the mascot legendaries are inspired by the big bang and represents the sun, moon and eclipse or creation of the universe is triggered by the big bang or the cosmos and the island guardians/tapus are cool legendaries, a yellow chicken, a pink butterfly, a red bull and a purple swordsfish/marlin fish that protects each island, alola isn’t the best region, but it’s certainly among the best regions and alola have many areas to explore in the postgame, alola have one of the best postgame areas/contents ever. Don’t hate alola because alola is actually the third best region in my opinion.
@@kerrywien6775 i didn't say i hate at all. I just said it was decent. Plus i was talking about the game than the pokemon itself
X and Y let us sit on benches. SM and SwSh let us..... hm..... well, that's embarrassing
1 step forward and another one right back. It's so frustrating that they rarely retain even the nice little quality of life bits from game to game.
X and Y was trash
@@marleyhicks7263 X and Y are godsends compared to sun and moon, it's not even a comparison. X and Y are objectively better games then sun and moon.
@@lemur1129 x and y were easy trash , no difficulty boring lame story and trash starters, nobody cared for the grass and fire starter everybody wanted greninja
elite 4 were easy as hell , why didn't gamefreak give them mega evolution?
rivals were easy a forgettable , you get handed 2 starters! one from kanto and one from kalos
@@marleyhicks7263 S&M are just as easy as X&Y, but is plagued with long and boring cutscenes.
They literally TELL you what's super effective or not, and your starter gets a wide arrange of coverage moves for nearly any situation.
The starters in sun and moon are so universally hated, the pokemon fans are hoping the new grass starter doesn't end up like incineroar.
The online was better, MEGAS are far superior to z moves, breeding and shiny hunting wasn't an absolute chore. Sun and moon are objectively worse games.
This isn't even mentioning it's biggest problem, you AREN'T the protagonist. The game should be called pokemon Lillie, because for all of it you're just a side kick.
Also Delphox is very popular, only chesnaught is really hated and I honestly Don't get it.
the kahunas dont come into my head without prompt but I do remember them vividly
i’m playing these for the first time right now as a gen I skipped. two hours in it’s done itself zero favors, I wanna scream + rip my hair out because I have zero agency to do what I want
This video was hilarious, but very accurate. I share the same sentiments about sun and moon
21:55 like this one? LOL
@@justinsarcedo9355 soulless eyes, yes 😂
I think it was USUM that ultimately ruined gen 7. It exposed the problems with SM, USUM and the entire business practice of gamefreak, Pokémon company, creatures inc, Nintendo or whoever it was. I’m not gonna act like SM was perfect but it at least tried to be something (even tho it was purposely left unfinished).
Why are the Kalos Gym Leaders so forgettable when many older gym leaders are still stuck in their gyms? Is it just nostalgia? If it does it doesnt explain Hoenn and Sinnoh ones.
Nothing is more useless than the Rotom Dex map, in the overworld they just laid out everything, ruining the surprise, while in the few caves that it could be useful in, the map is unusable.
Since the protagonists have to be as silent and generic as possible "because muh player stand in" how would you make them more expressive in cutscenes?
The reason I hate alola is cause it’s so tropical like literally it’s biggest selling point is tropical with jazz hands I live in a tropical island so it’s the same thing I see every day so it’s meh. Like hoenn is tropical and it didn’t need to scream tropical. The fact that the name of the region and the greeting is the same and they only change one letter so it’s not aloha. The totems were good you needed a semblance of strategy but the trial portion annoying puzzles. Finally the starters are the worst starter trio ever.
19:40 I died at how perfect that fit 🤣🤣🤣
Just watched this and your USM vid. You’re long format reviews are absolutely top tier.
I don't get why everyone uses Ramos as the example of a forgettable gym leader. I think he's cool and got a sweet gym design. His team is trash though
Honestly gen 7 is on almost equal footing with 5. I'm sure, like gen 5, gen 7 will be well received later on
Exactly but by that time these genwunners would realise that they repeated history due to the amount of dogshit that game freak will be releasing
I think main reason gen 7 maybe won't be more appreciated with time , is the hand holding. Unlike gen 5 replaying gen 7 feels like a choir , also the sequel games most of the love for gen 5 is the amazing sequels which gen 7 honestly could've done without
@@paballophokwane3876 oh my God yes hand holding I know it's so prominent in both gen6 and 7 games. Don't you think it's prominent in gen8 and 9 games as well?
@sakshamkumaraggarwal3140 definitely i don't think pokemon is going in a very good direction , gen 7 certainly is better than what came after . I don't think their bad games if your new to pokemon but having played for a decade , i can't lie and not say it's frustrating to have everything explained to me with constant slow cutscenes
Gen 7 are the only games I will never touch again. Easily my least favourite games in the entire series.
the best thing i got from this video is finding out you can dress up in a maid outfit
My opinion has always been that the Pokemon games’ single player experiences got better and better with more fleshed out plots from 1-5, absolutely peaking in story telling, content, and post game in Black 2 & White 2. Then Gen 6 came and like….honestly i can *not* for the life of me figure out what happened there. I know people say a Z could’ve saved Gen 6 in the court of public opinion but i disagree! I think the reason we didn’t get a Z version was because it was already unsalvageable. At any rate though, i believe Sun and Moon took a step back in the right direction. I personally didn’t like it, i prefer gyms over those ridiculous island trials, i really didn’t like Z-moves, the map design and dungeons were *far* to simple. But compared to Gen 6 the plot was actually really interesting, the characters had a bit more agency, (a *bit*) I fucking *loved* Alolan forms, etc. There was some smaller stuff too that i think ultimately made it a much more enjoyable and familiar experience than Gen 6. X and Y were seriously devoid of most things that i consider staple of Pokemon and make it what it is for me, and Sun and Moon brought…. *some* of those things back. SOME. Of course USUM were basically the same fucking game, so that was lame. But then SWSH pretty much took all the steps back to Gen 6 and then went even further and further till now? Gen 8 is almost objectively the worst Gen. Its not even close tbh.
Personally I give X and Y a bit of slack due to those games being their first 3D games. They had to make a new region (with all of the implications of that), 72 new pokemon, 721 3D pokemon models, all 3D trainer models, mega forms for a decent amount of Pokemon, etc. I can forgive them for putting story and characters on the backburner.
Ultra moon was my favorite pokemon game, its the one I got the most enjoyment out of
I agree
Same.
I felt like Pokémon peaked at Gen 5 :(
I mean the subsequent games were okay and borderline passing.
Game freak Got tired of thinking
@@snorlaxhi4930 I think the fans were too harah on Gen 5. It's the gen wherein GF really gave their all.
Story
Gym Leaders who are part of the story
Music
@@bonchicken7351 after that They stopped thinking
@@bonchicken7351 what fans were too harsh on them?
@@delphoxxthevulpera68 when they came out all of people had dumb excuses for why they were bad like they made too many Pokémon and the designs
i feel as if the reason we had the player character as more of a side character is because the pokémon company wants the player character to be blank slates for the player to use for emertion purposes and so they can actually tell a story with a main character that can actually emote and talk. name one thing that makes Red, Gold, Brenden, Lucas, Hilbert, Nate, Calem, Sun, and Victor different from each other or one character triat we are told about, i mean strictly from the games not the manga where they are real characters? exactly nothing they’res all the same. in the manga Red’s a happy go lucky guy just catching pokémon that can’t swim, Gold is a pervy play boy that gambles and rides a scateboard, Brenden/Ruby is obsessed with contests and is a germaphobe, Lucas/Diamond loves food and wants to become a famous comedian, i haven’t read hilbert/black’s story yet but from what i’ve seen he looks up to Red as a role model which is adorable haha, Nate/Agent Bw2 is a bad ass secret detective has a higher rank than Looker and is a very charming lady’s man which he uses to his advantage and helps get intel about a possible culprit, Sun is trying to make a lot of money to do with is unknown to me and i don’t knkw what Victor does since i haven’t read the sword and shield manga but i know Gloria the girl playable character is into growing medical herbs. man i wish the people who wrote the manga would write the games too its so much better 😔 even Satoshi Tagirii agrees (sorry if i mispelled his name)
oh also i forgot to talk about Calem/Xavier in the manga it starts with him already being famous and suffers from litterally depression and anxiety for being seen by fans that the only way he’d go on an adventure is if they transform Yvette(Serana)’s Ryhorn into a wagon and have a sheet on top of it for him to hide underneath
the storyline of sun and moon was eh i missed gym battles im a gen 3 player
Don't blame you.
The trial captains could've been a island version of a Gym Leader and not having them battle at the near at the end of the game.
Most of the Gen 3 pokemon should've gotten regional forms like Gen 1 Pokemon, could've made some pokemon to shine in a different light.
@@justinsarcedo9355 true that
@@miguelsmusicstuff I hope I didn't come off as pretentious.
I think these regional forms would have work.
1. Clamperl Water Rock Type evolving through holding the original items, Huntail (Water/Dark type) as a scary moray and Gorebyss (Water/Psychic Type) as a dolphin like fish.
2. Poochyena line as a Dark/Fighting Type.
3. Trapinch as bug type with the evolutionary line be Bug/Dragon type.
4. Torkoal as a Water/Fire type sea turtle with a evolution like Torolkanic with a geyser spewing out in battle.
5. Shuppet evolution line be a Dark/Ghost Type.
6. Aron evolutionary line as a Steel/Dragon type with a more ceratposian-like body.
7. Spoink evolution line as a Ground/Fighting Type.
8. Wailmer Water/Ground type and Wailord as more of a Humpback whale body. Plus, giving it more useful moves and be a ridable pokemon. Also, only close to Onix size.
9. Tropius as a Grass/Dragon type.
10. Slakoth evolutionary line should've been a Normal/Fighting Type with a giant sloth appearance.
11. Solrock as Fire/Psychic Type and Lunatone as a Ice/Psychic Type.
This is just my silly ideas.
@@justinsarcedo9355 But all of these are Hoenn Pokemon. Your ideas are creative, but it would be nice to see other Pokemon that's not from Hoenn.
@@TomboyGamerGal I was using those as good examples.
But, yeah. You right.
Other generations pokemon could've gotten regional forms to filled the PokeDex like fixing stats, usefulness, appeal and type coverage.
It shouldn't be hard to have pokemon of generations to fixed the type matchups, they should've just put it in the sequel games.
Also, thank you for calling my ideas creative. I'm going off the top of my head Gen 3. All the generation pokemon are tricky to come up a good regional forms to fit Alola region, I'll probably think of something good.
By the way, your Elite Four and Champion playthrough was good. I add a like to your Sun and Moon videos.
Why make so many changes and keep the same freaking starter types ... I mean you get rid of gyms but can't even do things like rock/flying/fighting starters and make ice and dragons available early?