How Rain (비) Failed All His Groups? | Ciipher, MBLAQ
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- In this video I am going to talk about about the groups that Rain failed at. The whole history of him owning a company and producing groups. The groups talked about in this video : Ciipher, MBLAQ, MADTOWN, Two X.
Rain should avoid creating groups. Knowing the character of Rain, I don't think he intends to abandoned them. It is just that he was not born to be an entrepreneur, he is not good in managing groups, He himself having a hard time to divide his time because he was still bankable. After 3 failures, he should admit to himself that Cipher should be his last.
Thank you for not saying that he’s just a horrible person. He’s just not the best businessman
MBLAQ, for me, was so heartbreaking... he left those boys to fend for themselves... and they were taken advantage of by their management when it came to their contracts and money.
I disagree. MLAQ had two members that didn't even wanna be there and it was obvious. Also Rain let the group go when he started having legal issues. I think Rain was a good dad to MBLAQ and they had moderate success. As an A+ there's not much more I could've asked for. If anything MBLAQ was too good for huge success. As we can see from BTS the masses want things that are easily digestible. MBLAQ was too much for the basic kpop fan to handle. I'm proud of what MBLAQ achieved and will always remember them and their music. I have no bad feelings towards Rain at all.
@@hanimay6843 2 members?
Is it Lee Joon and Thunder Cheondung?
@@aljonmatthewonce the more famous member leaves the group will crumbles
@@aljonmatthew yes Lee joon and Thunder
@@hanimay6843But why did not Lee Joon and Thunder want to be there? I always wondered that it was because of money, as Mir suggested in his YT video talking about them disbanding. They thought they could make more going solo. I also always wondered why Thunder left to "study music". He has never been more successful as in MBLAQ. As a A+, I would have wished they all stayed together or that the 3 remaining members would continue after Mirror because that was a good song. Too talented, as you said ❤
1 month back, I got into Ciipher after watching Keita on Boys planet. When I heard their music, I thought I discovered gold. Not a single skippable song in their entire discography. It's very uncommon for a group to have amazing music in each comeback, but Ciipher did! It's extremely sad we won't get to see them perform again. Ciipher as a group would have succeded under a big company with the right promotion and treatment, they are incredibly talented folks yet remained so underrated. This makes me so sad that I just joined the fandom and the group has disbanded!
Right nct dream has albums like that too I'm sad about cipher
But big companies didn't give them that chance... They all were ex trainees of other companies... You can look into it... Kieta and tan have been trainees for like a decade but they didn't debut... So big companies didn't wanted them... Rain did give them opportunity which they weren't getting elsewhere.. it's unfortunate things didn't work out for them
RAIN is trying to be like JYP, being CEO+artist at the same time but the difference is JYP knows how to put his ego aside and nurture his trainees. RAIN needs to LEARN to be like JYP not TRY to be like him in this aspect, he needs to learn that to run a group under his own company whilst already being a top artists with nothing to left to prove his legacy is that the public needs more of the group and less of you, he needs to learn how to balance promoting himself as an artists and his groups at the same time.
jyp isn't the ceo he is the founder and a producer
he was CEO until got7/twice i'm pretty sure. he mainly produced and promoted groups like g.o.d, wondergirls, 2pm, 2am and miss A as CEO. He stepped down AFTER creating such successful groups@@lunachaaaan1072
This is the first time I’m hearing about CIIPHER and it’s sad to see that this is not Rain’s first round of mismanagement. You’d think that having screwed up the first, even the second time would’ve opened his eyes, but no- he continues to make groups without realizing his mistakes and without having the intention to learn from them. He rightfully deserves to be criticized for wasting the time, years of training, and talent that his groups had…
I agree, I'll pass him on MadTown because that sh*tshow was not really his doing but what he failed to realize was that he himself was a relevant active talent so he never would've had the time to support a group from the ground up as well as push his own success. I think he underestimated all the moving parts that go into preparing and maintaining a group.
He is no longer famous💀
He did get lots of hate on kcon… I hope he humbles himself after this, what he did to mblaq & the other groups was awful 🤧
Yes although it wasn’t an official disbandment they’re basically done
yeah, it so sad
I used to be an A+, i really miss Mblaq
Rain will be getting a black ocean at Kcon which he deserves
No one deserves black ocean. Only immature and toxic people are a part of that shit.
HE GOT ONEEEEEE 🙌🏽 🙌🏽 🙌🏽
I actually watched a lot of videos of him (in a good way) praising his performance
Nah, that’s crazy. Groups fail all the time, tf
@@debutriah2854 kpopies must blame someone for everything. Always. 80% of kpop stans are obsessive and toxic. They hate everyone and everything. That's what I observe on social media.
Imagine if Bang Shi-hyuk accepted the offer from someone to buy BTS when Big Hit was down. The buyer planned to disband BTS after buying them so their own group can be spared a competition. So I am not surprised that the group suffers after they were handed over to someone else. Just like Infinite. Destroyed to make way for EXO. I am so glad Infinite is back.
Please don’t say it doesn’t make sense for SM to disband a group that is making them money. Every group costs. What they make isn’t what’s important. What they make minus expenses, profit, is what SM was and is still always interested in. Furthermore, profit under main company is always better than profit under a subsidiary. Also, interesting how some conveniently forget how Inspirit were told to buy EXO albums to ensure Infinite gets a comeback. We all know how that ended up.
Yea that was fucked
He is a good performer and singer. But he has an attitude problem. From misbehaving during military service causing the special considerations for idols to be removed for everyone who came after him, to setting up groups irresponsibly when he has no intention of following through. He should have stayed as an actor full time and invest his income quietly.
아이돌 특혜 아니고 그당시 연예인들을 행사에 쓰기 위한 정책이었습니다.
It must have been a shocking disappointment for all those talented young men, how sad for those who worked so hard to accomplishing their dreams. It seems Rain only worries about himself it screams of an egoist with narcissistic tendencies. (Biting off more than he can chew). Someone who gives a damn would have made sure all those upcoming bands were nurtured and taken care of. Rain seems to lack empathy and responsibility. I hope those young men will find a way to continue in some fulfilling career path of their dreams. Maybe you think my statement is harsh but as a grandmother of 5 young lads all with hopes and dreams, not supporting these youngsters is a crime. Rain should never be allowed to give hope to young people with such talents ever again. 😢
Right and people coming to his defense but like you really can’t after 3 failed groups due to his actions it’s not right. Like if you wanna have yourself be the first priority it is nothing wrong with that but don’t drag people into that. You are only worried about advancing yourself so you should not be trying to debut any groups.
Rain is known for being egoist and cheap. That's his roots that make him poor in his mind. Nevertheless I think he's got a lack of knowledge in management and has not studied to run a business. I don't like him anymore.
And his wife hasnt divorce him😂
Rain's ventures are mismanaged bc he's not really involved in what he creates. You got to have determination. It's okay to chase dreams but chasing dreams and the determination to grasp them and hold on to them are two different things. Btw, how are two members left in a group going to survive as a group? Maybe as a duo or hire more members? Idgi. 👀
I don’t know the other members but Keita was a gem. I’m glad he was picked up by another group. He would have been great in ZeroBaseOne
Being a CEO isn't everyone's cup of tea. It's a big responsibility. I'm so sorry for what happened to Ciipher to other groups.
It’s about Responsibility…RAIN needs to see what his priorities are and where they stand..Responsibility, maturity, and taking the felt maybe something he hasn’t realized. Learning from it, should stand for itself. Sounds to me, he lacking humanity and what it means….
I am big fan of rain as actor , mblq Big fan of them i can not believe they stop working
he is just good at being idol..that is
I mean, yes he did things wrong but he is not the only one managing those groups, he is just the public face. As we know, having a group means to have like 10 to 20 or more ppl behind so blaming all to him it's not fair either. He should just focus on his career and stop trying to create groups if he and his team can't handle them...
Just stop! Rain gave these groups exposure and fame, which they would otherwise not have had at all… he tried but failed to maintain them… nothing stopping them from being picked up by another company… why didn’t they?
Most company prefer new ppl who cant sing and look average
Not true artist get pick up by other labels all the time. Even in kpop
@@nicoleloss7987 who say all the time🙄
Did he really ruin their lives? Didn't he at least give them a shot at being an idol? Has no one here lost their jobs or gave up their dreams because life didn't turn out exactly the way you wanted? The boys are young and talented and will find other paths of success. What really ruins lives are toxic people who spread hate online, cancel, put people down, too many times with tragic😢 endings
So true!! I'm tired of this "cancelation culture", there are groups that were really mistreated by their managers (example: omegax). He was the public face of those groups, yes things went wrong but that doesn't he should get cancel! Ppl do worse things than what he did...
Yeah people have done worse things. But Rain still did something bad and abandoned his groups MULTIPLE times. And I keep seeing him trying to do it again !!
RAIN seriously needs to fire or hire a team of actual business partners and accountant cus whoever is handling his money is effing him up! He needs to stop making new groups and maybe just scout them for other companies cus he does pick ppl with great potential but them he wastes it so it's extra maddening.
i was a fan!
I'm so sad why rain company discards such talents!
want ciipher back😢❤
Even celebrities face economic down turns, financial upkeep for operations (long term) and trainees issues, song books etc etc I think he need a strong production team (social media, ads, strong marketing managers: fund raising etc). Its not a one man show.
rain's so cute
내가 말해줄께 … 잘모르는 애들아
비는 직접 2개의 그룹을 만들었어
엠블랙은 비의 인지도로 많은 인기를 얻었어. 몇년후 비는 군대에 가게 되어서 다른 관리자에게 넘어갔고 엠블랙은 점점 하락세가 되었어. 2명이 솔로선언을 하면서 해체했어.
싸이퍼는 3번째 앨범까지 많은 지원을 받았고 점점 인기가 생기고 있었어. 한국에서는 싸이퍼를 너무 많이 홍보한다고 비난 받을 정도로 비는 지원을 아끼지않았어. 2-3년 뒤에 더 잘될거라면서 기대한다고 했지. 하지만 5년열애금지를 어기고 팬들도 보는 sns에 데이트 사진을 일상사진으로 속여서 업로드한것이 크게 기사화됐어. 그 뒤로 싸이퍼의 sns 는 멈췄어. 내생각에는 이 시기에 신뢰가 무너진것같아. 비는 아주 어렵게 데뷔하고 성공했기때문에 그들을 용납할수없었을거야. 결국 많은 멤버들이 탈퇴하게 되었지만 난 비를 비난하지않아.
많은 연습생들이 데뷔도 못하고 사라진다. 또 많은 회사들이 성공하는동안 사라진 아이돌이 얼마나 많은지 아는가 ???? 엠블랙과 싸이퍼 모두 비 덕분에 화려하게 데뷔하고 많은 지원을 받았어. 그들을 방치했다는 것은 전혀 사실이 아니야.
ㅋㅋㅋ열심히 산다 열심히 살아 니들이 이런다고 너희 지훈이 오빠가 쓰레기짓을 그만둘거같니 언제까지 그렇게 수습하고 변명하려고 이렇게 시간낭비할거니
I forgot all about MBLAQ 😢 they were good.
I wish the best for Keita In EVNNE (Even) the spin off group for boys planet
Rain is JYP junior
This is just wrong! People are so misunderstanding rain! He worked very hard to help people and all though they mentioned the reason why things didn't not work out when it was not his fault, he still got blamed for things. That is just not even right! How talk about him in nice way and instead of attacking and being so mean like are you serious.
Ciipher i watch them in Rain s instgram page dancing together and i like them too
자랑스럽습니다
People makes mistakes, Yes it hurts but there is more,Not being said,.There is 3 side of this ,There's yours and the truth,,Much Love 2 all sides,,Beleave n god,
Ces groupes étaient comme les enfants de Rain, mais ils les a lâché et abandonné…..😢 j’espère qu’il ne fera pas ça à ses propres enfants …..
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Rain he's a good singer and performer. but Honestly, sometimes I hate Rain, IDK his cocky personality from the past is still there.
he just hides. and when people criticize him as singer, he will joke back about JYP😅😅
I dony like how he talks about his wife he is a doche no wonder she turned him down so much
Rain no fail
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When you hear about how artists are treated by big entertainment business, no surprise artists try to have their own companies...get real, people, it is still business, and even in Korea I assume people read it before they sign it. No success ? Hey, it happens, move on! You have no given right to success
How can you say that if someone starts something and doesn’t actually invest into what he says he is going to. The reality of the situation is that he says things like he wants to find people who have the passion and drive but then does things that can take that away from them. Don’t start something that you are not willing to finish. If he wants to keep his career afloat at the demise of his groups then maybe just maybe don’t make a group…. I’m sure if roles was reversed and he was a trainee/new Kpop artist and they did that to him he wouldn’t like it. Furthermore the fact that he was a trainee/Kpop artist he should be even more considerate of the time and devotion people put into what they do. At the end of the day he needs to be a Kpop artist and leave being a creator of a group alone
Quite, but this is not how business works, unfortunately. The number of projects,in film and music, that are started, but then dropped, is staggering. In the US, 98% of hopefuls never see the inside of a studio, and studios juggle many projects at the same time, most of which get quietly dropped. A Chinese actress said when she gave her resume to a casting agent, she saw she put it on a pile that was so high the papers began to slide off...Entertainment reality!
@@user-cd6by1qk3q it still makes it wrong and I stand by everything I said. The thing that makes it even worse is that he was once in their shoes. Simply put he don’t need to make no more groups. It’s been 3 times and each time he has pulled out to advance his own career and caused major issues so he obviously is too selfish to make groups. Which there is nothing wrong with wanting to advance just yourself but don’t drag people along in that. Also rain has only had himself and his group to manage not a whole stack of people so this doesn’t apply to him. Wrong is wrong and he was wrong so let it go. No one is tryna tear him down it’s simply acknowledging that he creates things then pulls the strings out after the initial investment. Which is unprofessional and irresponsible in business. And even if you can’t understand that I’m the end out of everything morally he is wrong.
Madtown was so god damn good
I clicked this link as I was wondering why his groups were not successful.
😡😡😡
he is selfish..he should stop trying to be as famous as the old days, take the responsibilities. Using the new group that he himself created just so that he can be in the public again. He doesn't deserve to be a CEO of any group. He should stop producing an idol group then abandon them.
@@n.syafikamuslimin1807 Beware of judging something you don't understand. Or are you on the same level as Rain? You're rich, you're famous, you've got a fancy job and a lot of talent? An ancient poet said it well about people like you: "About us think only bad,
who is worse, the us and those who better
us im just not to us."
Рейн , Молодец ! ❤❤❤
He should pay some one can manage e All e bands,etc .
1 can't be Doing Alk things at 1 time..
If he can't Do it cos of his Bz Sheld.
He should hire afew Mgrs to oversee His - All of his bands..he created instead of him Handling All Alone
Can you do a video on lee hyori.
Sure, was thinking about it, don’t know when it will be ready, but hopefully tomorrow ❤️
@@gumihoi okay 👌
I respect rain ❤
I don't blame rain, the groups should have have taken that opportunity and capitalized off it. Never wait for someone to make you make yourself
What u don't blamed him? Why don't blamed him when he supposed to take care of their career not just himself or his career. U want to be CEO then take care of ur artist, group or bands. I think MBLQ's member is Sandara Park's younger brother. Like his older sister, he can get the stardom. No wonder never seen or heard that group anymore! Sandara should sue him for neglicting his young bro career, lol!
@@prescillasabalbarino-io5rphe’s the reason MBLAQ was born he even gave them his own songs and got popular faster than anyone because of his popularity but he sold his stake to JYP before enlistment so they are no more under his management , he did all he could but two member leaving the group specially the famous one ,the group won’t survive 😮 and Sandara didn’t have bad blood with him she even come out in one of his YT vlogs ..
@@emmavu09 no Sandara love his young brother. I see them on vacation in Philippines. Thunder is good looking like his older sister, krung krung,it's Sandara's nickname when she's in Philippines.
@@prescillasabalbarino-io5rp I know who sandara is I’m one of the many who vote her in SCQ ..
Probably learned from someone
No
This is too judgemental, you have no idea about what truely happen, I guess korean music need to start diversifying their music industry, not making only pop music,cos it makes your music I dusty not versatile, must it be a group,, I know there must be individual talents, folks who can make it on their own like in the U.S here,grow different talents,and make different kinds of music, not just pop music, is becomming boring,explore music,there are so much out there than just building groups,is outdated, done and gotten over with here in the west
There is of course K-pop is just a genre and more mainstream outside Korea ,just one of the genre of Korean music industry ,they’re even looked down by singers because they said “ idols are not really singers” because well very few have talents in singing in a group ..
What Rain was born in 1998 or did i just heard wrong? Lol
No I did not mentioned when he was born. I said that he debuted in 1998. 😂
@@gumihoi oh ok thought u say when he was born lol, sorry!
He is narcissist..self obsessed
Why his wife hasnt divorce him🤔
Because he provides for his family. He treats his wife like a queen
He puts his family first.
@@nicoleloss7987 you are his wife? ☠️
Why would she do that? Just because the groups he created went wrong doesn't mean he is a bad person...
Why are you even involving his wife this has nothing to do with her🤨
@@milii5675 HE IS A BAD PERSON