Natalia Grace and Michael Barnett Are Manipulative | Body Language Analysis
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Natalia Grace and Michael Barnett meet in the presence of Grace's new guardian and Barnett's lawyer. This is my nonverbal and body language analysis of that meeting.
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The third manipulative party here is the production. 🎦
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Yup!especially with that ending.
100 trillion billion percent
I'm glad we're all in agreement that the producers are manipulating and milking this whole sick situation dry for the sake of profit
The more this documentary goes on, the more it seems like a money making scheme, even on Natalia's part.
it’s all SOO dragged out, theatrical, and repetitive. i firmly believe every person involved is making shit up for the moneyyy
Definitely
,@@pettywhiteOkay? And? Let Natalia have a money making scheme. She deserves it. The Barnetts becoming social pariah's is probably going to be the only justice she gets
What really sucks is Natalia has real questions that should be answered but there are too many chefs in the kitchen. The whole story breaks my heart 😢
I agree, Natalia deserves so much more🙏🏾
And she is never going to get it from Michael or these TV people, sadly.
its pisses me off so much that Michael says shit like “i want the truth to be out, i’m tired of being quiet” blah blah blah but then he’s like “actually that question makes me upset so i refuse to elaborate” and throws a tantrum
Sorry, I can't judge Natalia. Michael is trying to squeeze empathy out of her in stead of just apologizing and taking accountability. She has every right to be furious.
(also, I've noticed a new tattoo in Hebrew, what's the story behind it?)
@@rinash1706 ohw very sharp! She switched to a new religion, maybe after Oct 7 ? Just speculating. I'm curious know too!
I definitely have more empathy for her than I do for him because I've had an abuser do that to me as well. Instead of owning up to what they did, they made themselves out to be the victim. I saw through that and I think Natalia sees through Michael here, too.
Oh please! She is as bad as him considering the manipulation. This play in nicely with her need to portrait herself so very forgiving. Next.. the church of Natalia with well paying followers.
I think she showed a lot of self control.
The producers wanted sensationalism, and they set no boundaries. This whole thing is not okay.
No, it isn’t. Natalia just seems to be thrown around from abuser to abuser to abuser over and over. The producers are horrible. Michael is horrible. The ‘Bishop’ is horrible and these horrible people are all poor Natalia has ever known. It’s sickening.
@@justkiddin84Right, it is all so truly awful. I really hope Natalia, at least, got well paid for going through with this show. I hope she hasn't been conned out of any of her money from it, by certain people. In my opinion Christina, and Michael should both be arrested for the way they abandoned her, to live in that apartment, all alone when she was a small child, who was disabled. It is amazing she survived. Tbh.
@@justkiddin84 I don't see the bishop as a horrible person. I see him as a worried and angered father who want to make pieces of the person who hurt his kid. If you see other documentaries and videos with the whole family talking you will see he is protective of her ever since she went to live with them.
I am a mother. I see people even looking weird to my son and I want to punch them. Imagine knowing that my son was ab*s*d to the level she was by this person and their family and that they have the nerve to now say "I'm a victim just like you..." I would feel like he's saying "I shouldn't have to apologize to you... I did nothing wrong... I was forced to... I am the victim here... Why are you blaming me as well? You should apologize for making me feel bad for being manipulated and lied to by this monster that had hurt you in the past... I was just there for my sons, I couldn't do anything so you shouldn't be mad at me..." and I would want to have my fist talking to his face and my knee talking to his parts too!
I had incredibly abusive parents. My foundation, the people who taught me how to interact with other humans, was manipulative and abusive. I'm not surprised Natalia doesn't navigate triggering and heavily produced interactions with her abuser very well.
Did you watch the evaluations from other expert's? Especially ones with decades more experience.
I watched her and can tell she's definitely lying about some major things, then when I watched the breakdown of her lying and hiding things, I have no doubt that she's fooled a lot of people and been using her disability to use and manipulate everyone around her.
The religion manipulation will always be wild to me.
“God is in control here.” Ummmm… actually, no. Ever hear of free will? Jeesh.😂
Omg it's so gross and just makes Natalia look bad. So sanctimonious 🤮
That was really cringeworthy and it was so off-putting especially to anyone who was subjected to that type of manipulative treatment growing up by one or both extremely religious parents.
As a religious person (christo pagan, yes, that's a thing. People in my country were christo pagan until early 1920) I have never understood using religion as a weapon. To me, religion is very personal thing, I only talk about it more with people who are interested to talk about religions in general. I have never felt the need to try to convert anyone, because like I said, religion is a personal matter to me, I don't care what you believe in or don't believe, as long as You are respectful to others and their believes. Using religion to manipulate others is extremely gross and shows that those people aren't actually religious but just hide behind it and use it for their own personal gain. That's just vile to me .
I hope she takes the blinders off one day and finds her voice and her own path
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS!!!! This docuseries made me so uncomfortable for so many reasons. One minute I feel bad for Natalia but then some things she does doesn't feel right. Micheal makes me the MOST uncomfortable and the bishop is doing too much. Everyone in the series are very strange people.
Natalia is engaging in behaviors that could possibly been greatly reduced if she had been adopted by parents that would have gotten her therapy. Instead she was thrown in with two manipulative abusers and then these religious manipulators latched onto her for what I think is fame. That is what I think their motive is. But, yes. She is manipulative, in the same way police are often manipulative when they are interrogating people. In the way that abuse victims are sometimes manipulative. I also think that Natalie needs a lot of therapy and that these people she is currently with are not going to provide what she needs to get control of the anger and other negative feelings inside of her. If she doesn't get the proper help now, she probably will either end up abusing some other people or ending up in trouble with the law in some way in the future.
I agree wholeheartedly with the above comment. Victims of abuse aren't always the perfect victim. Abuse does terrible things to the psyche. A person can be both problematic and an abuse survivor.
I honestly feel Natalia has mental issues an reattachment disorders an let me tell you that tells you a lot about what these people are capable of .I was on the fence but now red flags are flying ...this is ..that we know of the second family she has manipulated......we know nothing about the others 😢😢
Absolutely agree, I don't know how natalia could be anything BUT strange given everything she's been through
Natalia is definitely a victim of terrible terrible circumstances! Of course she was exploited in so many ways! Michael is really really creepy!
Seems deceptive to frame the prayer outside the house as Natalia's manipulation, seems more like her stepdads and/or productions.
I see it 100% as the new dad being manipulative and the show feeding into it.
Preach!!!
She never had a step father.
Right. That was so uncalled for. Can people just stop with this whole 'natalia is manipulative' bullshit.
I think Natalia is easily manipulated and I think she's been manipulated by the bishop to respond the way she is responding. I feel so sorry for her although she's way better off where she is today. That Michael's not right in the head
Also I don’t care that Michael NOW claims to be a victim of abuse because it suits his narrative. He had no problem interrogating Natalia, standing idly by while she was beat by his wife and her sons. Natalia is supposed to just sit there and be respectful while she takes what seems like a lie that Michael was a “victim” now because he wants to escape culpability? Because he wants to rescue his public image after he spent YEARS calling a child a sociopathic demented killer on his EX WIFE’s behalf?? Boooo! That take is wrong to me. Michael also claims he was “sexually abused” by his wife because she withheld sex and used sex as a way to control him? Laughable man he is. Why should Natalia suddenly respect that?
Right!! I’m not seeing enough criticism of Michael anywhere. He makes my blood boil!
THIS THIS THIS THIS
Thank you so so freaking much. This video was starting to annoy me with the amount of victim, blaming and also I guess this is why he should continuously point out that he is not a therapist in any sense because along with body language, I feel like you should have some sort of Understanding of the human psyche because the fact that he’s disregarding why Natalia might be angry at the fact that her abuser literally is telling her oh all those years I watched my wife and sons abuse you and then I threw you on the streets and drug you through mud on social media and on national television as a child I was actually getting abused because my wife wouldn’t give it up That right there is a hard pill to swallow for a victim who was abused for 90% of their childhood and is still barely coming into adulthood. She has the right to be angry and she has the right to ask intrusive questions because he is using that situation as an excuse as to why he did the things that he did, also her father’s actions do not reflect on her so him saying what the bishop is doing is making Natalia look bad no, it’s making the bishop look bad, and I also kind of seen it as a scorned father and also asking someone not to cuss is not the same as asking someone to stop being Christian. I’m not religious and when I’m with my husband‘s mom, I never cuss because I understand that makes her uncomfortable it’s really not that big a deal, but back to Natalia, she was a child who was taken advantage of and harmed on a regular basis and got a lot of trauma can cause someone to grow up and not have healthy understandings of how to handle situations, and this video really showed that he is very highly unaware of that
@@stsworld4669 Also the ignorance towards heavily produced television. A lot of those sound bites were clearly added in and things were out of order. Maybe I watch too much reality tv, but I think it's obvious that it's irresponsible to rely on edited tv for accurate nonverbal reads.
Natalia has a right to be an and unfortunately I believe she found herself in another situation where she may be being used . I hope she can grow into her own person and find peace
This sit-down was a disaster from the get-go. I'm not saying Natalia shouldn't be allowed to have someone there with her for support but her support should be in the background, quiet, and not interfering. We heard more words from the bishop than from Michael and Natalia combined. The production should have set clearer goals for what they wanted from this conversation. This did nothing but create more of an emotional mess. It makes me wonder if there was just deceit from both sides but we won't know until there is a proper moderated conversation without someone yelling about God the entire time in the background.
Oh they set goals all right. Big drama! That is their goal. Take a couple days and look into ‘reality’ tv-it is a horrendous industry that abuses both the subjects and the viewers.
Honestly a lot of criticism should be aimed at the bishop. If he didn't want cursing in his house, he should've told production to go elsewhere instead of harping on Michael (I can't believe I'm defending that creep). Idk if production kept that in to show how Natalia is still being somewhat exploited by her current family, but they should've kept the situation between Natalia and Michael (since Natalia is now officially an adult) and not let other parties interfere
If " cursing " was such an important thing than why didn't they lay the ground rules before the interview.
The house they were filming in was his church ?
There needs to be a real mediator (someone neutral) there - not someone on each side throwing stones.
That's wishful thinking. But I couldn't agree with you more.
The theatrics was definitely the show’s doing, I’m sure. The audio when he’s yelling the devil is a liar sounded different to me too. Added it in post, I’m betting.
Audio was different because when the camera's on the bishop, they're using the mic pack on him, and when the camera backs up into the room, they're using the room boom mic, to emphasize that Michael can hear them outside, maybe give us an idea of how loud the bishop's voice is traveling, tho volume can be manipulated for sure. But it's the echo that let's me know it a switch between a lav and a boom mic.
@@ClaudiaDCD it was definitely spliced in. its no coincidence that the camera was NEVER on the bishop while he was yelling. They added it in post, probably clipped from him talking about the situation on his own or to producers but not something he would randomly yell out in the middle of a pep talk with his daughter.
He wasn't even tslking.about Michael being the devil he was talking about the actual devil. Loud or not he wasn't even talkimg.about Michael
Yes, exactly! Also the the loud "WHY" coming from Natalia when she sat down. There's a steady camera on her but somehow when that audio clips in, it's not on her. Very shady editing.
@@123wakeupdonnie yea there was a LOT of shady editing going on through that whole conversation.
Does Natalia really have to hear Michael out? She was a child and THEY adopted her. I think if anything Michael should give her the answers to her questions. She doesn't owe Michael anything
She wanted to actually. But her religious brainwashing now dad, ruined it because he couldn’t let her and production navigate the interaction. He interjected and was just … cringey Christian and made Michael feel attacked instead of validated like he had hoped for so he went dramatic and pitched a fit and left.
but also michael's lawyer was not even needed in the discussion and he made it worse and more awkward @@momof2plusotaku657
Isnt huge crashing and emotional manipulation the symptom of growing up in a manipulative and traumatizing childhood?
Sure is.
This is true. For example my father grew up in a VERY physically and mentally abusive family (it didn't help that he was born a year after world war II in Finland into a poverty stricken household) and has complex PTSD and BPD. Sadly he himself has been both mentally and physically abusive and has been also manipulative. Don't get me wrong, I love him still, normally he is extremely funny and intelligent guy, but he has some serious issues that he has refused to get any help, since it would mean that he had to talk about his traumas. He's 77 years old already so there's little chance that he could change, at least nothing major, about his negative traits.
the producers are 100% taking advantage of this poor girls trauma.
everyone around her is predatory..they all exploit her
The entire series I felt like I was being gaslighted and manipulated by both Michael and Natalia. Their responses seemed so fake, forced, and poorly acted. The whole time I kept thinking, please let observe do a video about this!! 😂😂
What exactly did Natalia gaslight about though? Everything she’s said has been verified by scientists/doctors, detectives, Michael Barnett and his son, and even her own verified bio mom.
@@basicallyno1722 i said I FELT like i was being gaslit while watching it. I didn't say she WAS gaslighting. It was a feeling not a certainty. Everyone interprets things in their own way and for me, I felt like I was being manipulated. Also, I never said anything about Natalia not being her age or having her condition. I watched the whole series so I also saw all of the evidence they presented, even though I believed her before any of this was brought to the table. I was in the foster system and I know how bad it sucks. Natalia deserves to tell her story. This doesn't change the feeling listening to her and Michael speak gave me. It was an observation, I'm unsure why it bothers you?
Except it’s not them gaslighting you-it’s the producers.
“Poorly acted?” You do realize these are not actors, right? This is a maniac of a man (IMO) and a disabled person whose abuse and abandonment at age 8-9 that that maniac participated in.
The scenes are interrupted by production, they make them repeat things, they put the film scenes back together often not in chronological order in order to manipulate the viewer to believe whatever they think will get views.
During the series she does sort of come out and say that she is being manipulative to get true answers out of Michael. And she probably is playing at emotions she thinks she should be having instead of the ones she is actually feeling. Because she knows that he (Michael) will not give her any answers unless she acts sad and sympathetic. Which would have probably worked if the new "Dad" hadn't realized that he was out of the spotlight too long and had to make sure that he was front and center.
@@mandlerparr1 absolutely agree!
I feel like it shouldnt go unsaid that Natalia was a child when she was in their home and experincing horrible abuse. Natalias perspective as a child was that Michael was (at minimum) complicit in her abuse and abandonment. Michael coming hot out of the gate telling her that he was also a victim (as much as herself) would be a tough pill to swallow. He has built no trust with her for him to believe anything he says, and she only knows what she experienced (which was horrible) and stands very contrary to her recollection and experience.
As a Christian I don’t agree with the way the new dad handled this situation! I get him praying for sure but, saying those things where others could hear does nothing but escalate the already stressful situation! Why not just pray in the car privately? It should have been handled differently, but that doesn’t sell spots on TV shows!🤦🏼♀️ Michael is so dramatic and the “Bishop” made me cringe during this! The way the “Bishop” behaved was so embarrassing to Christianity!
Because he is a fake Bishop. He is also a gaslighter and a manipulator. $$$$
Yes! I said the same thing but I feel like the prayer was staged, it didn’t sound genuine at all!
@@camreelaws3424 completely agree! It was so awkward to watch! 🤦🏼♀️
@@camreelaws3424 it wasn't a prayer. It was a gaslighting speech disguised as a prayer. It was a reminder speech from one person given another on how they should feel and the kind of attitude they should have. It was a manipulation tactic.
They are ALL shady as F .
I felt the same way. I hate when Christian’s use prayer as a way to be hurtful. It’s like those movies where someone is giving a prayer while shading some family members at the table. It’s so wrong and I’m sure God doesn’t appreciate being used as a weapon to hurt others.
Michaels the worst, then the bishop, then the producers of this train wreck. Natalia was taught to be manipulative by everyone around her for her whole life and she’s still very young so I’m having a hard time holding her as responsible as Logan seems to
I can see where you're coming from. Even her new "dad" seems to have come in her life for his own benefit. Doesn't feel like a single person has ever genuinely had her best interests in mind.
I completely agree! I don't agree with Natalia's choice of words. However I think Logan is being harsh. I can't fathom the pain and anger she must feel after both of the Barnett's put her through for many years. Then she thinks she is being saved by this new family, when all they are doing is indoctornating her to their ways. She has never been "free".
I agree ~
Natalia deserves so much compassion ❤
She has been abused & manipulated since a child to tell people what they want to hear - just so she can attempt to receive some form of love, affection, safety, stability - everything every human needs to survive/thrive.
The people around her weaponized her need for acceptance to further their own agendas. It's cruel.
He's not judging her. He's saying her behavior looks manipulative. That's what he does. It's the premise of the video, he watches behavior and describes what he sees and how he interprets it.
Same. Like, that girl has been through so much. I wouldn’t expect her have socialmedia level awareness of what you can say or not to be persieved as perfect and nice.
Im not as asking her for shit
I don’t believe it’s inappropriate for Natalia to ask those questions of Michael at all. He had the capacity to protect himself and could’ve tried to protect Natalia but he participated in her abuse. He had all sorts of options once he and his ex wife were living in separate countries. He wasn’t seeing his kids at that time anyway and wouldn’t for years, so he had plenty of opportunities to change Natalia’s living situation but he continued to go along with it all. Then went on to go along with the lie to make some money off the situation his family put onto a child.
The door open conversation makes me cringe so hard 😅
Yeah that pastor wanted her to go in guns blazing . He was gaslighting her 100% . I bet he said alpt more before they left the house. They are all shady as F. I feel sorry for micheals genius son, he looks like a broken mess .
Also her outburst of "WHY" is defo coaching from the pastor.
Ok, so jumping ahead and commenting before I've watched yet, but having dwarfism myself and knowing a number of people with SED personally, and having a type of it myself...regardless of what the *exact* age of Natalia was when adopted, she was without a doubt a young child, and abandoned by her adoptive parents as them too. SED is not a condition where the person remains looking young. Despite being shorter and having some different physical features than that of her peers, she would still look like a teen/adult once puberty hit. Sure, she might get carded every so often if she goes to a bar now she's in her 20s, but the bouncer is going to question it by a couple of years, perhaps. Not decades. Yes, there are types of dwarfism where the person does have more 'childlike' features, even as an adult, but SED is not one of these. One of the main features being a shorter torso and longer limbs. The majority of other features change alongside the rate of their peers. It breaks my heart how she has been treated by her original adopted family.
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It breaks my heart too 😢
Of course Natalia is angry, disgusted and scornful….shes heard all of Michael’s bs and been privy to all of his manipulation tactics before and he’s still refusing to admit any wrongdoing . Of course Natalia is manipulative…she’s had to become that way to literally survive, and she learned from a master. I have nothing but empathy for this poor young woman…and now she has a new manipulator. I wish for Natalia to live a free and healthy life, alongside people who GENUINELY care for her.
I understand wanting to protect victims but you shouldn't criticize Natalia's reaction to confronting her abuser. Yes, he might have been a victim too, but he was a perpetrator to her abuse and she was a kid so she doesn't owe him kindness or tact in her responses and questions. There is not a right way to behave around an adult who actively chose to mistreat and neglect you as a kid, a disabled one at that
Natalia is a victim, what happend to her is horrible and now she's under the control of a clown. I wouldn't hold her responsible for much. This was a totally pointless interview...
Well she was severely abused as a child, but not only was she abused, but she dealt with the worst thing a child could, which is growing up knowing that now one, not a single human being, gave a single shit about if she lived or died, which is so much more detrimental than anything else you can do to a child. Abuse, it is traumatizing, but you can heal with loved ones supporting you. But this girl had severe abuse, neglect, that did not even have to be HIDDEN from the world. To this day you still have grown ass men out here shaming her, for “being manipulative” when confronting one of her abusers who continued to throw her under the bus and pretend she was some evil person that deserved it, pretend she was an adult con artist despite admitting he thought she was a child to the detective, while being filmed in national television and also try to keep her only perception of “family” on her side while doing this, AND trying to make people see at least SOME truth after these people manipulated the world into hating her and seeing her as a real life monster.
So even if she WAS being “manipulative”… ok? I’m sure her goal WAS to get people to like her after what she has been through. Who cares! We KNOW she was a child this whole time, we KNOW she was abused, nothing else matters, because we KNOW factually that the Barrett’s lied about her and destroyed her life. So idc if she was “ manipulative” or not, because she was still a victim and had every right to confront that grown ass fool.
Please do a video on Michael and Natalia's second interaction!
Seconded!🤚
I’m glad Natalia had been able to prove her age with some dna tests now just a week or two ago, and with the dental test she had earlier.
That DNA test was the wrong type of DNA test fir what she was trying to prove ..... TruAge Diagnostics only specialize in Biological Age Testing by glycan cells to determine your healthspan age and it can be reversed..... Has nothing to do with DNA Chronological Age Testing which cannot be reversed or DNA comparison with a sibling or parent it was the wrong type of DNA test for what she was trying to prove
And the United States Superior Court only go by the LAST Dental Exam and Last Medical Report the won't pull from the middle Natalyah 1st Dental Report was done in May 2010 by the Children's Dental Center the Xrays came back with all 28 teeth showing secondary permanent adult teeth.... The Indiana Superior Court have the Xrays of her teeth from this visit and dental report showing she had Adult teeth. A month after Barnetts consented to adopt her ..... Barnett's last dental exam they took Natalyah too was in January 2012 and Xrays of teeth came back with her having all 32 teeth and wisdom teeth as well... at supposedly 8 years old her age had not been amended yet .....
At 8 years old supposedly Natalyah had all 32 teeth in January 2012
Natalyah last bone density scan age estimation was done by endocrinologist Doctor JC Howell in February 2012 her bo e age estimation came out between 14 thru 17 years but he also put in his report Natalyah had *Tanner1: Breasts and Tanner2: Pubic Hair* That it did not seem to be precocious puberty or ore ardrenarch because Natalyah hormone levels were normal .... That Natalyah is a disproportionate dwarf born with growth plates abnormalities and her bone age lags behind her chronological age by 4 years or more and her bone structure will never grow like a average sized person.... A bone age estimation will not give a accurate age estimation for her .... And Natalyah appears to be a lot older than 8 yrs old.
It was these last 2 Doctor and Dental Exams the Court Judge went by and including her actual birth certificate from the Civil Registry Office of the City Natalia was born which affirmed her birthdate September 04 1989 reason why Judge changed her birth certificate to reflect its' correct birthdate September 04 1989..... In June 2012.
Natalyah had pubic hair, adult teeth, breasts and a monthly cycle about time Barnetts got her the apartment and her birth certificate was amended to reflect her correct birth age
I go by actual Court documents not what Natalyah picked and choose to be read for public view to try and sway public opinion. She a liar and a scammer don't trust her
That drama Queen Michael escaped from the interview the first chance he got. PoS…
They obviously edited in the “he is a devil and the devil is a liar” in during post production. The audio sounds different and they don’t show the guy’s head when he’s saying it. I think if anyone was called a devil that close by they would bring it up.
That's how it looked to me too
He gives me the ick IMMEDIATELY and I don't know why or how to explain it. Just my internal radar is going off and it's loud about him. Is it because he's so fake?
He's autistic with strong narcissistic traits, so that might explain it lol
My intuition went beast mode with this guy in a way I’ve never experienced.
@@katropolis9055 Right!?
Why meet in front of a camera? This should be a private conversation.
What kinda got to me , slightly more than Michaels whiney baby mannerisms, is this bishop hopping onto the drama.
I dont know what religion exactly a bishop is , if he is just very immature in his beliefs in the Bible, or maybe hes just as dramatic as everyone else.
Why is it always these types of Christians, or whatever he is, thats on tv ? I've grown up my whole life around Christians and not one of them are like what i see on T.V.
I 100% want to see the other interaction between them!
My impression of Michael is that he is extremely emotionally immature, and his exaggerated displays of emotion and the general way he speaks feels to me like on some level he feels this is how he has to speak in order for him to come across how he wants to. Is it manipulation? Yes definitely, but I doubt it’s entirely intentional. It’s actually fascinating to see him speak with this exaggerated expressions and cadence
I think he’s an emotional person, in general, who has gone through a lot but I also think he’s a narcissist. Christine was the bigger narcissist but he definitely displays these same tendencies imo.
Really messed up to say that Natalia is being manipulative. She's the victim, she's under no obligation to coddle Michael and not make him upset by her questions. She's absolutely right to be angry because Michael has been playing the victim the entire time and not being accountable to his involvement. This was probably very hard for her to do and yet she was more mature than Michael, the bishop and the attorney. She deserves answers and Michael should have been able to put his own feelings to the side and give them to her.
Victims aren’t perfect just because they have been victimized. They can still be petty, manipulative, untrustworthy, and bad people. Calling out bad behavior shouldn’t be avoided just because she’s a victim, otherwise they never grow or learn from mistakes. And Natalia is still young. She’s got a lot of growing up and healing to do. I don’t think pointing out negative traits takes away from her experience. We can say “man, what she went through was horrible and damaging” and also “she’s being manipulative here” at the same time and both statements would be correct.
@@michellekennedy454 of course she's not perfect but this was not a scenario that deserves criticism. This is her first chance to talk to her abuser she can't be judged for how she handles it
@@emily79519 but she can. Because she decided to film it. It’s really unfortunate but that opens her up to criticism. It’s also unfortunate that those around her don’t actually help her navigate the meeting in a healthy way.
To be honest, I’m surprised this is the first time she’s addressing the issue straight to Michael. I thought they’ve both done tv interviews together. Was the Dr Phil one not together?
I found this whole video an aggressively bad take I'm sorry. The (warranted) dislike of the Bishop was somehow passed on to Natalia. Considering she's been firstly raised around the man baby Michael and then secondly around some religious tool is it any surprise she's probably not adjusted quite right? Natalia doesnt have to consider Michael feelings at all. He was an adult and she was a child during their whole interactions. Trying to understand why a grown man let her be abused seems to be quite fair, and having zero genuine emotion given her background almost seems inevitable.
She's so fake none of them cried real tears. She's crazy just like all of them
This felt really offensive as a fellow child abuse survivor. Difficulty with emotional regulation is super common! That’s not manipulation. Being angry, going to sobbing, and going straight back to being angry is normal feelings to have when facing your abuser! I never would ask a stranger or friend even why they never left their abuser but I most definitely asked my mom that given she knew what happened to me. So, that’s a pretty fair question to ask her first adoptive father. I agree that the religion aspect is manipulative though. Though Christian’s took advantage of my abuse history to lure me in before realizing years later what it was. I’m not saying Natalia is a saint or did everything right. But to call her emotions manipulative? Are you for real? That’s classic abuse survivor 101. Especially cause they likely have PTSD and their body is going between fight, flight, and freeze so rapidly.
I agree completely. Natalia acted very reasonable given everything she’s gone through. She’s angry and hurt
Personally I think the clips were switched around a bit but I cry when I’m angry so that wouldn’t be surprising to me that she’d cry when frustrated. And I also think she has a hard time perceiving reality without strong bias. It’s like she didn’t even listen to what the bishop said. Idk. I find multiple parts of the interaction concerning.
No, people all act differently when they know they’re being recorded, and they’re dramatic on purpose. I have no doubt that she has genuinely been upset and angry, but nothing in this video was genuine, including the bishop.
was it just me or were the voiceovers really bad too? you could hear the abrupt volume changes and not showing the person speaking during certain moments.
I read that more as her new adopted father pulling the manipulation tactics and Natalia going with it. Which would make sense since all she has ever been exposed to (except for a few small months here and there) and raised by are manipulators and liars. Abuse victims are often manipulative as a defense as well.
Can you cover the "Casey Anthony's Parents: The Lie Detector Test"? It's about an hour and twenty mins but there is a lot of non-verbal body language AND verbal body language and speaking over each other and so on.
It was sort of like "nothing new" while also IMO being a whole different side of the parents and hearing and seeing how Casey was truthful at least in regard to her mom being more controlling and the family being dysfunctional etc.
They also do the polygraph with what appears to be odd parameters to me so having you look that all over would be so interesting!
Thanks Logan!!
I feel for Natalia a lot. I’ve done a fair bit of research on this case and she was a young disabled child who was abandoned, abused and neglected.
Michael makes me ANGRY.
I usually agree with you but not on this one.
Putting aside the absurdity of the production and editing, her new father’s obnoxious and immature behavior, and the obvious staging of ridiculous moments, the burden of maturity and forgiveness are not hers. At all. In any direction. Full stop.
Natalia doesn’t owe Michael her patience, compassion, or understanding. He was an ADULT who adopted her as a SMALL CHILD, literally abandoned her, and has spent YEARS deriding her on international television. If this is their first sit down, she owes him ZERO. You don’t get to demand understanding and forgiveness without ever even apologizing. I didn’t hear “I’m sorry” anywhere in that first utterance
from him - if he wanted to build rapport, he should’ve started there. I truly don’t care if he was a victim in his marriage - when you choose to become a parent, your issues don’t come before your child. Ever. He’s decades older than her and knew better when she was still a small child completely deserted in an apartment by herself. I cannot imagine how frightening it was for her at eight years old to be so utterly alone. She owes him zero appropriate questions. I’m all for meeting half way, but not when the original victim was a helpless child and the original victimizer was a full grown man.
You can be overwhelmed and emotional that this altercation is happening, and also confused and angry without being manipulative
Seems like you came in with a certain prejudice and just confirmed your bias
You can be, they weren't though. You can also be overwhelmed, confused, and angry while being manipulative. I just happen to think the learned manipulative tactics here were lead by both men that pretended to be her dad.
I was tired of that bishop bro he’s trying to be controlling and using God as a way to prove his point
Hell isn’t even a cuss word it’s a place so daddy was lookin to pop off. You couldn’t let hell slide? The whole thing felt pointless. I wanna see more tho. 😅
All due respect, I don’t think you watched the full series. Considering what Natalia went through, she has every right to be angry. Michael trying to be a victim in her face is disgusting. Keep in mind she’s like 20 years old, meanwhile he’s middle-aged. Sounds like grooming to me. Also anyone who’s watched this kind of tv knows it was edited crazy… the audio is chopped up and stuff is definitely out of order.
This is just exploitation of two parties who had an agenda. There are no winners in situations like this.
Your comments were very interesting, thank you. And thanks so much for the captions, I know they're so much work for you. But very grateful for them!!
Thank you, Mr. Observe!!! ❤
The thing is with both of them being manipulative... if they're telling the truth, they're both victims of abuse and it is SO EASY to get into a habit of being manipulative to keep yourself safe. It's a terrible coping mechanism, but if it's the only thing you had that worked then it sticks around a lot longer than it should once you're safe. I know it's something I've had to work hard at for twenty years now, and it may never entirely go away.
As for the bishop/preacher/whatever he is... I am, with some difficulty, going to restrain my ill-wishing of him to hoping he lands face-first in a giant mud puddle on national TV while wearing that damn white jacket. He disgusts me.
Speaking of being manipulative...I'd love to see your analysis of Shanda Vander Ark and her trial/interrogation.
This!!!
Oo yeah that would be good!
That would be good. She's truly an evil individual.
Im so happy you uploaded this today.
I watched the series and i couldn't help but think from your perspective.
Thanks for making videos and explaining things along the way. I truly have learned a lot from you by watching your videos over the last few years.
I want to add also that I was truly disappointed that Natalia really didn't get the answers she wanted.
If you really watch and analyze I think Michael did a really good job of keeping things out of conversation and made the whole topic of shared trauma rather than hers and hers alone.
He really seized the opportunity to manipulate her emotionally again rather than let her heal.
I wonder if Micheal’s ex wife is gonna come out next with a interview dogging Micheal out seeing as he shifted blame.
He’s trying to fix his public image. But it never will work once the mask falls.
Shes too smart to talk on camera especially after charges were dropped . Micheal is a manipulator AND a bigger narcissist tyatsvwhy he spoke on this series. Also Natalia is a master manipulator. And the new parent are shady as F. I think the pastor is a gaslighter (the prayer for example) . I think that family have skeletons . And I think its all about $$$$ for them. I think they are ALL manipulators . Micheals genius son looks like a broken mess. He looks like a shell of a man. Micheal has that big house but his son lives in that dirty basement. ALL of them are not good people m and the genius son is an ACTUAL victim .
Nope she did the opposite she said neither her or her ex husband Michael abused Natalia..... She made some startling accusations that Natalia said a whole bunch of things about the Ciccone's that turned out not to be true
As much as people are allowed to have and practice a religion, I am just as allowed to call out religious manipulation. Much like calling your business 'holy' or implying that your product is for 'good Christians (tm)', Natalia linking herself to a loud, boisterous pastor is a manipulation tactic. Anyone more inclined to a religious lifestyle will be more likely to side with Natalia.
But yes, absolutely, the worst manipulators here are the producers. They're benefitting from this regardless of who the public believes. Everyone sucks in this situation.
Natalia is an abused girl, under her new caretaker who was using that religious manipulation.
I hate all this weird bias AGAINST the biggest victim of this situation
I'm so happy to see how much your channel has grown.
I’ve been waiting for your take on this series! Thank you!
Wow what a hot mess! I hate everyone in that room lol. Maybe the attorney was alright but it's a low bar.
I feel like the production of this documentary is making light of child abuse, the adoptive parents and professionals in the medical world and in law enforcement and in the court system failed yet another child and were never held accountable for dropping the ball on a huge responsibility of caring for this child
I remember watching this on my tv and thinking Michael seemed SO theatrical and Natalia had 0 tears. Neither of them came off as genuine.
Exactly. I think he is secretly gay and a manipulator . I also think she is a manipulator . I think micheals wife is a manipulator but smarter than Micheal because she didn't go on camera . Micheal THINKS he can fool the world and Natalalia that he was also a victim I think Natalie is also a manipulator. And her new family are shady as F
Natalia spent her formative years being emotionally neglected. She will never respond to situations in the “normal expected manner”. Being an emotional and easy going in the orphanage would make her more attractive to workers attention and adoptive family attention. Children raised in orphanages from birth are most often 1-3 yrs behind in their normal developmental achievements. DNA and dental exams all confirmed her age with8n 1-2 yrs. This family reared her far behind that range to an age they thought would eliminate their financial responsibilities for her. That is no accident. She was a child abandoned in a dangerous situation on her own. It’s amazing she hasn’t ended up on a wore situation. The bishop who caring for her may be also exploiting her, but that is his decision not hers.
I keep thinking back to the Dr. Phil interview where the new dad was so quiet, barely said a thing. I'd guess the new dad is very aware of power dynamics and that Dr. Phil would not put up with his self righteous bulls**t for one instant. I want to live in a world where Natalia and Michael can come together and talk honestly to learn about themselves and each other and own their parts so they can heal and move on, but there's no money and ratings to be made on that. Instead we get contrived dumpster fires.
I think Michael has moved on as far as Natalia I do t like her
Love your content! Keep going 😊😊😊❤❤❤
I only just found this docuseries when the new episodes came out and I had no idea there was already a video out. More please! I have so many thoughts about Michael and made many observations of my own with countless eye and mouth blocking gestures from him while retelling his side. This whole thing is incredible and I can’t wait for more.
It is so eerie to hear this segment of the documentary with no music playing. I feel like it gives me a better sense for body language between everything. Since my ears aren’t being distracted by whatever mood the producers want us to feel in correlation with the content. I couldn’t get through 1 minute of this conversation once it started watching it on my own. So I’m really glad this video was made so I could see it with commentary added💯
Yo, Michael walks out so quick. Should’ve seen that coming
I was waiting for you to react to this!!! This whole thing is wild! More videos on this please!
I’d love to see more of this series from you! Keep em coming.
Honestly I think Michael's outburst is acting and disingenuous. I also think Natalias crying into her hands in frustration is also for the cameras
100% . I think her fake crying is for sympathy . Never any tears
While it might seem faked it could be part of the freeze shut down reaction that people with cptsd have followed by an understanding that while we are safe we are allowed that emotional response of crying. I know I do it and it isn’t a manipulation it is me desperately trying to link our traumatized brain with my emotions but they just can’t work together. If it is NEVER safe to react and have emotions it gets confusing trying to be a healthy human as an adult because those emotions show up but not necessarily in a good way(Gabor Mate has pointed out the link to autoimmune disorders even).
@@welsh.truth.dragon3914 Just imagine that you are 7 years old and you live in a house where your adoptive mother, much taller than you, is beating you, while she calls your 3 brothers and they start beating you between 3 or 4 people and you are a little girl, short and disabled, and that this happens several times a week + other types of punishments, like standing for more than 8 hours against a wall when you have problems in your body, and then at 8 years old they send you to live alone and leave you alone, in a place full of adults and dangers without protection. Do you really think she's pretending to cry? Sometimes you just cry so much after so many traumas that you have nothing left even when your body and mind want to cry and especially when you are full of rage, because no one pays for what they did to you.
What a lack of empathy...............😑
Please make this a series!! The story is so complex and I love hearing your thoughtd
I love your videos, extremely talented and informative without being judgmental in any way :)
Would also love to see the other video about this, especially after how the whole show ended!
I’ve been waiting for this yes!!!!
Can't wait for the next episode!
Please do more because this is definitely one of the stories that really everyone gives me a feeling of suspicion. I'm curious to delve into whether each person's manipulation seems to come from different origins. Michael strikes me as manipulative over all, and the (ex)wife from what little I've seen also seems pretty delusional and manipulative. However, my biggest question is does Natalia display these manipulation techniques because of her reactive attachment disorder due to cptsd and display some borderline personality traits due to her truama. Or, is there something else at play? A huge thing missing from the documentary is honestly deep dives with psychologists, psychiatrists, and medical providers discussing her condition as well as developmental development.
Michael Barnett is a psychopath. If anyone took this as Natalia is manipulative or in any way not these people's victim then they need help. Just visually you can tell she was a child and has since gotten older
It's only been 3 years .that's not much of getting older...she is supposed to be like 11 or 12. . I don't think so
@@itsmonicanicolle 3 years? In what world? They adopted her 14 years ago in 2010.
@@woodworkingandepoxy643 yeah lol my bad, but there is just something off about her..
@@itsmonicanicolleShe’s traumatized. A survivor. Of course something is “off”.
@@itsmonicanicolle what are you talking about? It’s been 14 yrs since she was adopted by these psychopaths. Go look at the history, the court case, the dna evidence & records w her birth mother, the doctor that never even met her that filed his ‘expert’ advice, the mult other drs that did actual physical exams of Natalie, etc etc.
Great analysis of this chaos!
I have been waiting for your opinions since I watched this... I've learned a lot from your channel and I had lots of opinions!
Absolutely love your intro😊
She was a child who was put through hell by adults who were supposed to care for her. I think any question she chooses to ask him is valid.
the part where antwon mans (natalias new adopted father) yelled 'cause that devil is a liar" etc and all the other yelling parts was Sooooo very obviously spliced in though. He obviously didnt say that on the doorstep where Michael could here them. You could tell the random tone and audio quality shifts too. Go watch it again and its VERY obvious. This was definitely done by production and i wouldnt be surprised if production asked them to do the pep talk to begin with just so they COULD splice in these other moments (or hoping he would be more outspoken in front of Michael, but willing to splice it in if not)
I do want to point out that given Michael Barnett’s son is autistic, there is a good chance that he is also autistic. Let’s not hold up neurotypical standards of communication as the only right way. Of course, you can be autistic AND manipulative, or autistic AND a bad person, but I’m just trying to keep communication/ emotional processing differences in mind.
So often, autistic people’s responses/reactions are perceived as “fake” or “forced” by neurotypical people and “body language experts” and they don’t once consider that some people just express themselves differently.
Underrated comment. I was confused because I passively thought that he reminded me of my own dad’s behavior before he started healing a lot of his unhealthy coping mechanisms before he was diagnosed with autism; I had no idea his son was on the spectrum. That would make so much sense. His behavior is inexcusable, but it’s almost so outlandish that it’s hard for me to believe that a genuinely successful, manipulative person would choose the route he’s taking. His odd response of immediately taking many things she says out of context and inappropriately literally is so reminiscent to me of my dad. Additionally, the way he fails to recognize her emotional state and meet her where she’s at instead of constantly trying to change the narrative to fit his personal idea of context also speaks to a poor "sympathy strategy" on his part. It’s all odd, and I think there’s more to him than it seems there is, but in so many different ways.
I agree he definatly seems autistic I'd be interested to see observes opinion on how nurodiverity would impact the results
This man has spoken every single thought I had in my head watching this
Love your videos i learn a lot from them!!!
I would really like to point out Natalia might have cptsd which changes our responses. Add in these traumas happened as a child which can actually affect the brain structure. What look likes manipulation can be this intense disconnect between our brains, bodies, and emotions. As a child I learned really young to not react or have emotions. As an adult in therapy I am desperately trying to link everything up and know my ability to pick people to be in my life is not good. What people might see as manipulation by Natalia could very well just be cptsd.
I am a psychologist and one thing I want to note that I never hear anyone speak on, is I believe Michael has Autism. His son has it and I believe it came from Michael's side. Some of those emotional immaturity or over the top emotions I believe are connected to that. Now I do not know Michael, obviously, and only see him displayed on TV. I am not sure how he is normally and whether or not he is playing it up for sympathy/control. Also, you can have Autism and still be a jerk. So I'm not saying this is an excuse for him. I just never hear anyone mention this. It sees pretty clear to me he displays symptoms.
He might be neurodivergent but he’s still a liar
Saying this bc I’m autistic and would never act I’m such a way. All autistic people are different but we aren’t morally bankrupt
YES, please make this a series! The entire time I watched the show I kept thinking, "What would Logan say about this?". I am so excited to see your views on all of this manipulation.
So when people of Christian faith say “the devil is a liar” it’s not in reference to another person. It’s like saying the devil on your own shoulder can manipulate you so don’t listen to it.
Ok but the dudes a freaking weirdo. The constant religious preaching comes across as so egotistical and disingenuous.
@@bmac375 True. I’m sure he’s used to people listening to him because of his position in church.
Around 10:40 minutes in the bishop said "that devil's a liar. A complete liar." Which suggest that he was likely targeting Michael specifically with that statement. However, we can tell there was a cut right before that, suggesting that it may have been edited by the production company, usually given how it pans to Michael during that audio. So to be fair, there was likely a sentence or two missing before that. Especially given that the production seems to be trying to make this into a dumpster fire.
It’s always been used as a passive aggressive comment to say when referring to someone or something else. Been raised in it all my life. It’s similar vibes to “bless your heart”
@@basicbrittani 🤣 I forgot about bless your heart
Yes please to continuing this series
I definitely need to see more deep dives on this situation 👀
I really think you should do an episode on Kody and Robyn Brown from Sister Wives. He seems unhinged
Would love to see a continuation of this specific situation
Michael's outbreak is the most manipulative part of this whole thing. I've seen it so many times with my own abusers. He wants pity for what he did to Natalia when in all reality, he was one of the monsters. She was a child. As a survivor of both child abuse and DV, there is no excuse. Zero. He is just as guilty as his wife for ruining that little girl then throwing her in an apartment to fend for herself. How they both aren't in prison is beyond me.
Youre a genuinely pleasant person to watch
Omg omg!!!! I was HOPING you’d do a read on them!!!! 🤯🥰
I'm so glad you're covering this. Seeing this snippet makes me glad i can't watch it. It's so frustrating. Does anyone in production actually care about what actually happened to this poor girl?
He was an adult. She was a child. He helped abuse her. Even if the same exact things had been done to each of them it’s not the same. And it’s gross that he is trying to say it is. If he wants to build rapport how about starting with a heartfelt apology and ownership of his role in her trauma
Just finished watching season 2 today 🎉 perfect timing
...Logan, really?
Natalia says "All I wanted to do was talk to him" & you call her a liar?
I believe she really did just want to talk to him but michael and the bishop made it impossible for her to have a normal conversation.
Her own feelings from the trauma of abuse & betrayal of a person who had the power to help, but didn't, would make it challenging & confusing to navigate a conversation like this - especially with someone like Michael.
Yes, she is angry & attempting to consciously or subconsciously control the situation -
The trauma she suffered in which she had no control to leave the situation or speak up for herself & this is supposed to be her time to finally get answers & makes sense of Michael's ability to be complicit in her abuse.
Michael is also someone who is unwilling to give an honest straight answer - His reason for being there isn't to help Natalia, but to make the world believe he's a good guy.
I would imagine tactics (manipulation) would be needed to hold a basic conversation with him just to get some semblance of an answer.
I understand you're not a psychiatrist - but did you watch the full series ( to better psychoanalyze all parties behavioral patterns) or did you just pick a few sensational scenes to analyze ?
Yeah the Bishop is a manipulator and gaslighter . Michael is a narcissist. I also think Natalia is as manipulative as them both . Micheals son looks broken, but again I think he calculating.
They are all shady as F imo . The new family are just as bad imo. $$$$
lol two truths can be true at the same time. She can be traumatized and manipulative at the same time.
there’s no “two truths” here. I don’t even think ya’ll read what OP posted. Logan took a nasty biased look on Natalia and offered her 0 empathy or understanding. When you’re surrounded by manipulators like Michael and Christie you learn how to survive in the same way. Natalia was just trying to survive.
The "don't use God's name in vain" BS is infuriating. If her faith is strong it shouldn't matter how Michael uses gods name 🙄 automatically makes me dislike Natalia's side of things. I could understand not wanting to be cussed AT but I also think telling someone they can't swear to express himself is ridiculous. This pastor guy is the epitome of why people resent religiousness. We all have beliefs and thats fine but stop shoving it down other people's throats to make you feel superior and others feel inferior. Grossssss and makes Natalia look bad imo. Michael is just a lying dumb dumb but I'd be irritated about that crap too.
How is Natalia grace stopping short of the door and talking to her father about this discussion, manipulation? She hasn't entered the building. She hasn't seen where he is. He could be in a completely different area, rooms away.
The door was open and it was obvious that he woukd hear
@@welsh.truth.dragon3914 they weren't in the building so they don't know his location in the building.
@@rosegold-sc6fp theybwere outside the front door. And he's they probably did know where he was sat. The staging setging and producer's woukd have told them
The production was crazy in my eyes. Always when they shiwed michael Barnett u heard screaming HE IS A LIAR ... But when they showed natalia and her fatherw everything was calm and really a beautiful prayer to give her strength for the situation.
Love your channel.
New subscriber from Australia.
Would love you to do your thang on any famous Australian cases please 🙏