Natalia Grace's Adoptive Father [Michael Barnett] Has Suspiciously Rehearsed Body Language
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- Michael Barnett from the Curious Case of Natalia Grace body language and nonverbal analysis.
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He went from “we were an amazing happy family & had a great marriage before Natalia” to “my ex wife was the devil & Natalia was a victim”
And that's not the only thing he has double-speak about. I don't trust him one bit.
He was using the camera as a tool. He thinks he can act.
He only cared when he got cheated on and Kristine tried to push him out (most likely) for money reasons
He also said that he was a victim of his ex-wife too ( not that I believe him).
@@sharimeline3077 every word the man says is used as manipulation in some form.
Stephanie Harlowe did a deep dive on this case!
Many doctors agreed that she was just a child...Her Mother who gave her up for adoption in her mother country has also given her true age. She absolutely was a child!
Natalia's disabilities were too expensive for these scumbags and they didn't want her anymore....it's hellish and abhorrent how they treated her!
Her coverage was absolutely incredible! These people are the scum of the earth. Justice for Natalia
Stephanie the GOAT ❤
Yeah it’s crazy how they both got away with no charges ect… he even lies in his first sentence. He says they had a Norman Rockwell type life but later in this documentary, he says that she was a violent abuser who verbally and mentally beat him down and did all kinds of crazy shit to him, so which one is it if she June Cleaver or not?
Stephanie is the best! I loved her videos on this case!
And her bio mom also said if she knew this is what would happen to her she would have never let her be adopted.
This man absolutely disgusts me. His overdramatized recount of events is infuriating.
This poor disabled CHILD being left in an apartment to fend for herself so the parents could shake off some responsibility, makes me physically ill.
The neighbors bad mouthing her for seeking their companionship, makes me physically ill.
Their autistic biological son is so confused and his entire foundation has been built on deception and trauma. I wish I could hug them both and take their trauma away. The fact that these “parents” were not crucified in court is beyond disappointing.
I'm watching the show now and I had to take a break for a couple of days to get over the episode with the neighbor interviews. That old woman was so nasty and mean. I hope to god Natalia never watches that.
I think the way she’s aged over the last decade is all the proof needed. Adults don’t age that way, children do.
I been looking at this situation and was wondering why NOBODY seemed/s to notice this. Like fr? What an atrocity
I strongly agree. She grew at least 4 times in size from adoption to the mid point in the series.
How creepy that youre 6 years old... first bath and your step father is called in, and he stares at your naked body.... I'm beyond disturbed. Like talk about trauma
At 6 what was her understanding though. Let's talk about trauma from being hit by the mother.
The way so many people used her being overly sexual as a reason for her probably being older was so weird to me. Like many children who have been sexually abused are hyper sexual as a trauma response. Also the whole language thing? I grew up in Germany speaking German from 10 months to 4 years. By the time I was 8 the German was GONE. So I think it’s understandable that she wouldn’t know Ukrainian anymore
PLEASE CONTINUE YOUR OBSERVATION OF HIM AND THIS FAMILY. NATALIA DESERVES IT
@switchfoot8813there is CLEAR evidence she was a kid when they adopted her. Get bent, mega troll
Agree!
They abused Natalia and she was acting out because of her treatment
Yes!!
Agreed!
I started puberty at 7 had my 1st period at 9 years old. Im now 48 years old and gone through menopause. Not everyone develops the same.
I firmly believe Natalia was a child at the point of adoption, she had multiple physical deformities which could mean that she had a different sized head. Im no doctor so dont come for me.
She also had a very traumatic life for her very young age, which she may have learned to adapt and behave how her carer's wanted her to.
I started developing "buds" as my pediatrician called them & they were sooo very painful, at age 5. I showed my mom the lumps & told her how bad they hurt, so she took me to the Dr to see what was happening. He simply stated, she's developing breaststroke when my mom asked what in the heck he meant by buds. I started my period around late 8, early 9 yo. I was as tall as my mom & the center of the basketball team in 4th & 5th grade & towered over everyone else. Then by 6th grade, a lot of girls surpassed my 5'4" height. I'm 51 & according to hormone tests, not even peri-memopausal. The worst of all of it has been the PMS, making me extra emotional & the horrible cramping caused by endometriosis since the very first period. I was still a kid playing with dolls thru puberty, but that certainly didn't make me mature enough to live on my own. The only question is why did the neighbors also think she was an adult without knowing much about her? Ukrainians have a lot of scammers & I just wonder if she fell prey to them to a certain degree. Not age 22 yo, idt, but who knows how old? They said it's common for birth certificates to be forged from foreign countries to make the kids even younger than they actually are. 💔
I'm similar, started my period at 10, and done completely with menopause by 50.
@@erinkitner7978same! I was 9 as well it was so hard being a child and also have a regular period since day one. I also have endometriosis and the pain and bleeding was hell. I'm 45 and have pre-menopause symptoms but that's due to that I've been induced to a medical menopause for almost 20 years. My gynecologist is the best and prescribed me an estrogen gel and the symptoms went away the same day.
Oh god. My period was at 16. I'm so glad for that, i was able to enjoy being a child.
My daughter had Precocious puberty and develop pubic hair at 2, but thankfully didn't get her period early too... we had to take her to Stanford for testing then they told us to monitor her and return if it got worse. With that said the youngest mother on record was 5 years 7 months old... I wouldn't recommend reading her story.
😢 that makes me so sad to hear, I never knew that…I want to cry just from reading that, I def don’t think I would be able to handle looking into it… poor girl..
@@_namasteshay It's horrifying, the pictures of her are just impossible to look at it and no one was ever even charged.
@@Kenough_in_Wonderland Didn't they know who was responsible? And I wonder why she wasn't given an abortion to save her from that agony?
@sharimeline3077 I believe it was her father who did thag to her and no one knew she could even get pregnant at that age so no one knew to give her one
@@sharimeline3077it was never found out who did it, her father was arrested but soon released because of "lack of evidence" which idk man just fucking DNA test the child maybe???? I'm sure they knew and just covered it up. That poor poor girl. My guess is she couldn't get an abortion as this was first of all 1938 and second of all Perù. At this time and in a christian conservative country they wouldn't even give a 5 year old an abortion, it's heartbreaking what trauma she had to go through. She is deceased already I hope she found peace
Kids pick up everything adults are saying. I’m sure they talked about it in front of her - saying she wasn’t a child and posing as one. If she puffed her cheeks out on purpose maybe it’s because she was a scared child thinking she’d be given away again. That doesn’t prove anything to me. These people are horrible. The whole bathroom incident forcing a child to show her naked body to people the first night she was with them is so abusive and traumatizing. It actually hurts me to think of what this child experienced.
I think bc of her disability (& her age), she needed help. Even when she was older & living on her own,the neighbors described her as not being clean & smelling pretty badly. Probably bc she still needed some help bathing. Or she was just a kid who didn't prioritize it, as many kids left to themselves would also not do.
@@erinkitner7978 My parents had to get on me about taking my bath and brushing my teeth until I was about 12 and started to actually care about it. Also I'm old now and disabled, and it's really difficult to bathe sometimes, even though I love to be clean. Sometimes I skip it because I just don't have the energy and things hurt too much. That could be the case with Natalia without any help.
It's also ALARMING how normal and natural it seems to him to just look at a little girl naked??? Yes she now officially "their daughter" but you're still a stranger and that's a CHILD. I'm not focused on her pubic hair I'm focused on "weird fucked up man looked at little traumatized child's genitals"
@@erinkitner7978not only that but her disability made it almost impossible for her to be able to climb in and out of a bathtub and the only way for her to bathe was to get into the high sided bathtub in her apartment. 😢
@@erinkitner7978yeah she really needed a lifeline and these people weren’t it. It’s really disturbing how they disregarded so many things about her that they got her a full apartment at just a young teen at best. In a rough neighborhood, at that.
How traumatizing for that poor little girl. She meets these people for less than 24 hours and they get her naked and start yelling and screaming and pointing out her private parts??
Can we talk about the fact they made their OWN conclusions and not once consulted a doctor to discuss her development?
That alone tells me plenty.
Never once does he mention taking her to the doctor for this! You know that if there was some kind of precocious puberty happening, they'd have regularly scheduled visits just for that condition. Or even if a doctor suspected she wasn't the age she was supposed to be, this "dad" would mention that finding!
They consulted several doctors. Several of them said she was a child, then like the fifth doctor they went to agreed with them. Fuckers went diagnosis shopping.
Wonder how much they paid him to say a disabled child was an adult scammer 😡
@@sharimeline3077 Yeah exactly. This makes me question a lot he says because why would you not take your child to the doctor after multiple of those discoveries? How can a parent say 'I'm worried' yet do nothing with it for the child only themselves? Big yikes there.
They did take her to a doctor multiple times, and the doctors always stated that Natalia was undoubtedly a child- except once, and it was Michael’s own family practitioner.
They act like lots of 8 year olds don't reach puberty at such a young age. All of my siblings got theirs at 8 years old!
One thing I noticed is how much more unhinged he seemed to be during the second interview. The part where he started punching the ground was honestly haunting. He’s obviously psychologically unwell
Michael Barnett is an absolute storyteller. I’m honestly surprised he’s not a pastor or something. He works really hard at making people believe what he says which makes it very disengenuous. I don’t believe anything he says except that Christine was awful.
Yes I just can't believe this man is anything but awful and that he and his wife were horrendous parents to that poor child. I cant stand listening to him but same time love the break down
My first thought when he was speaking was that he’s attempting to emotionally manipulate the way public speakers like preachers do.
@@haleymarie1021 YES! I was yelling that at the screen the whole series lol “this Douche bag sounds like a preacher!!” Lol he really does. He’s trying to make us believe what he’s saying with his body language, facial expressions and vocal tones.. it’s really uncomfy lol
He gives off, "used car salesman" vibes
He seems like a covert narcissist of the “communal” type. That means their public persona is to seem altruistic and kind , but he loves attention from it and mistreats behind closed door. Covert narcissism is more dangerous because people think all narcissists are show offs or openly arrogant. But some are like this ( gaslighters, pathological liars, passive aggressive, give backhanded complements, make you doubt) all while present a respectable public image , that’s why they are so dangerous and confusing.
Never heard someone describe their OWN home as a McMansion. Like, does he think it's a flex to say "I live in a McMansion"?
I thought I misheard him, had to go back a few times to listen.
It was a nice house, I wouldn’t call it a mansion
I believe that was said in a half joking way so that he wouldn't seem like he was flexing as much as he was.
He has an excited vibe that doesn't match up with the heaviness and weight of the story or circumstances. Definitely seems rehearsed.
Agreed and he seemed completely hysterical at some points as well later on in the series.
He seems too eager to tell his story. He's loving the attention.
@@hagelslag9312100. I believe it’s the sole reason they adopted her in the first place
I can’t even finish watching this interview. So disgusted by this self-absorbed man thinking it’s ok to do this to a child - not forget discuss this child’s health with the world. But he wants us to feel sorry for HIM? I am glad Natalia is finally able to tell her side of the story instead of the Barrett’s dominating the headlines.
Same! I would lose it. He was comical with his rendition of his wife abusing Natalia. Very accurate, but he lost the phone. 😮 ughhh. Makes me sick.
They are going to try again .Another series is coming out in October and he's writing a book
@@tinacafarelli1310omg!! In so excited to read “ how to fake ugly cry and lie like a rug on tv…..for dummies “
Just a note, that the agency they claim contacted them, denies that they initiated contact with the Barnett's, or that they gave any kind of deadline to the Barnett. They said the Barnett's came to them and there was no timeline.
Yeah that story sounds super fishy, I don't believe one word he's saying.
Upon further research- Dyan Ciccone the 1st adoptive mother worked at a non-profit Adoption Agency in Dover, New Hampshire called New Hope for Children, until year 2013, she was the Director of Programs . Adoption Agency New Hope for Children had Co-Sponsor Adoption Agencies that they dealt with. Shepherd Care Ministries dba Adoption by Shepherd Care based out of Hollywood, Florida, was one of the co sponsor adoption agencies at the time. Dyan Ciccone, used Adoptions by Shepherd Care to help facilitate an illicit adoption concerning Natalia - and wanted it done as soon as possible because they wanted their names off of the paperwork as her legal Adoptive Parents and wanted nothing further to do with Natalia. Adoptions by Shepherd Care in Florida, got a list of people in the adoption database who were currently available to adopt and were calling people off that list regarding adopting Natalia......
Shepherd Care Ministries dba Adoption by Shepherd Care has a sketchy background and has since lost their Florida State Accreditation, the agency can still do domestic adoptions within U.S., no international adoptions and they are not state accredited.
***Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction...........but never a reason or excuse for physical abuse.......
travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/Intercountry-Adoption/about-adoption-service-providers/agencies-denied-or-subject-to-adverse-action.html
www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/state-trying-to-shut-down-hollywood-adoption-agency/
travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/News/Intercountry-Adoption-News/suspension-of-shepherd-care-ministries-dba-adoption-by-shepherd-.html
As someone with multiple chronic conditions in childhood, and who also had parents who disbelieved all reported symptoms, this man makes my stomach turn. He says they've been taking her to doctors. Have they asked any of them about her age? About what circumstances might be causing her early puberty? There are many reasons that could happen, including severe emotional trauma. There are also very serious possible physical causes, like tumors or endocrine problems. I'm saddened that this guy seems to have dismissed any possible medical cause from the moment he saw her pubic hair.
Please, continue this series.
At least he had a Lamborghini. 🙄4 cars and only 2 people to drive them. I don’t like him.
@@sylviekins My spidey sense tells me to stay far away from him, he is not a good person.
@@sylviekinsliterally this feels so weird. This man didn’t know children can get precocious puberty??? This is so creepy.
Also wasn’t this just a story he said? I honestly don’t even believe it happened.
He has evil eyes.
I was having a full on conversation with my nephew when he was just 2. He's a literal genius but that doesn't mean that kids can't have a good vocabulary and speak better than other kids of similar age. And I was developed by 10. I started having my period around 8. I was even confused for a lady who was 21 when I was 12. That doesn't make me 21 just because my body developed faster than other children. These "parents" are pure evil.
Definitely had that experience with one of my nieces. She was just brilliant and having full-on conversations at a young age, when her peers were not there yet.
That part bothered me as well. My 8 year old cousin knows bigger words than I do and I'm 25 lol.
i can't believe *so many* people actually thought that little girl was an adult! and even if she were, how could they abandon her in a house by herself when she couldn't even get up the stairs by herself? that family is completely bonkers and i'm glad Natalia has a real loving family now!!! she suffered so much :(
It was only there word for many years, Natalia hadn't really spoken up until recently.
Sadly some people fell for the Bishop and his wife’s loving act
They too see $$$ with Natalia.
My gut told me that there was something wrong with them too
Natalia is a vulnerable person. Being vulnerable puts you into extra chance of running into grifters and abusers
You don’t get called out of the blue to adopt a child, and there’s never a one day to decide or she becomes a foster child. Even if she had become a foster child, they would still have been able to try to adopt her.
And if they really were willing to take in a child of a different skin color, they could have adopted in the US. But they didn’t want to deal with that. They wanted to look like saviors, not be parents.
I agree, but I really think he's lying about that, it sounds like a made-up story to me.
I want to add - I actually divorced my husband because when I couldn't have children, and wanted to adopt, he refused to adopt a child of another skin color. I felt like I had married a stranger.
It did happen- upon further research- Dyan Ciccone the 1st adoptive mother worked at a non-profit Adoption Agency in Dover, New Hampshire called New Hope for Children, until year 2013, she was the Director of Programs . Adoption Agency New Hope for Children had Co-Sponsor Adoption Agencies that they dealt with. Shepherd Care Ministries dba Adoption by Shepherd Care based out of Hollywood, Florida, was one of the co sponsor adoption agencies at the time. Dyan Ciccone, used Adoptions by Shepherd Care to help facilitate an illicit adoption concerning Natalia - and wanted it done as soon as possible because they wanted their names off of the paperwork as her legal Adoptive Parents and wanted nothing further to do with Natalia. Adoptions by Shepherd Care in Florida, got a list of people in the adoption database who were currently available to adopt and were calling people off that list regarding adopting Natalia......
Shepherd Care Ministries dba Adoption by Shepherd Care has a sketchy background and has since lost their Florida State Accreditation, the agency can still do domestic adoptions within U.S., no international adoptions and they are not state accredited.
***Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction...........but never a reason or excuse for physical abuse.......
travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/Intercountry-Adoption/about-adoption-service-providers/agencies-denied-or-subject-to-adverse-action.html
www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/state-trying-to-shut-down-hollywood-adoption-agency/
travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/News/Intercountry-Adoption-News/suspension-of-shepherd-care-ministries-dba-adoption-by-shepherd-.html
He screams fraud and narcissism.
I wanted to make this a separate comment, I worked in pediatrics and have seen a child as young as 7 start their period.
I was 8 😕
Very true!! ✔️
I watched the docuseries and my heart breaks for Natalia. She absolutely was an abused and neglected child. Michael's behavior was very unusual in the docuseries. I think he is trying to make himself seem like a victim in order to avoid any consequences. He was WAY over the top. It came across, as you said, performative.
I did too. The behavior was different than what people would probably expect. But completely in line with someone escaping an NPD partner or someone very close with them. Those 'victims' can act BAT SHIT a lot. The other person always diminishes them and what they have to say.
Also very seemingly 'performative'.
All that dramatic ass crying and stupid ass logic. Everytime he came on the screen… I kept hearing the Rhianna line “you’re so ugly when you cry…PLEASE…what else is on?”
What’s crazy is they never even discuss that they considered her DWARFISM could have some effect on her age and timeline.
Like she has a clear, like they said SUPER rare condition, and they use google to decide if she’s on schedule…..
**What is crazy her her new care-takers do not believe what the Doctors, Barnett's took Natalia too said in their reports**
☑Doctor Riggs- The Endocrinologist Doctor who examined Natalia in 2010 and 2011 wrote in his report- that Natalia has growth plates abnormalities, her bone structure will never grow to average length, her bone structure age is lagging behind her chronological age, - a bone scan density report estimation will never be accurate of giving an estimation of her age......and she has "DELAYED PUBERTY" because of this and her other medical conditions- her secondary sexual characteristics place her age way older than a 6 year old or child.......people need to understand a lot of dwarves with rare conditions have "DELAYED PUBERTY" and not "PRECOCIOUS PUBERTY" ......🚩🚩Indiana Court Judges are aware Natalia has been an Adult the whole time...
@@camiosis Dr Riggs said she was no older than 8, you big liar
This man has what I like to call 'Crazy eyes' when I see people like that I tend to avoid them.
This was one of the wildest docuseries I’ve ever seen. I appreciate your analysis and would absolutely watch more.
These “parent” were despicable. I fully believe that she was the age on her birth certificate.
There is no way that a child who has never met a couple before do they want to immediately call those people mommy and daddy with excitement. There's absolutely no way. It seems this way throughout the interview, but his eyes and eyebrows are just wide open, like they don't hardly relax at all, and to me is quite off putting. The whole thing just feels like a used car salesman trying to persuade me to buy a car that I am adamant that I don't want to buy.
This man likes himself an awful lot!
He’s creepy
I just finished Stephanie Harlowe’s deep dive on this and it’s absolutely heart breaking. Even if they believed (I’m not saying they did) that is no way of treating a PERSON.
As someone late diagnosed autistic and abused most of my life, even by doctors, I i come to this channel to help me understand communication and my own body language that can indicate what I might need or how I'm feeling but have been conditioned to mask. I see the behavior of CPTD, effects of extreme gaslighting and a severely abused child in those early videos of Natalia. I know that behavior in myself.
Based on extensive studying of this case, I think they tokenized their autistic son and pushed him to be a prodigy. They thought they could tokenize an adoptive disabled child so they'd look like heroes. The first family gave her up because they couldn't afford the first surgery. Michael thought he could make money on Natalia and when he found out he immediately took on her medical bills of hundreds of thousands of dollars and more to come, the drama started.
Everything he does is performative (as Logan said, overly rehearsed) and everytime he thinks he gave a good performance, I see duper's delight. Especially in that whole banging on the floor scene in the docuseries. He pounded on the floor so hard that he hurt himself and then felt proud that he felt he was convincing.
Im so glad Logan is doing this clip!
SA can result in premature development, my mum got her period at age 6! Medical conditions can also have the same effects.
Personal if there is any questions as to a person age, and legal adoption paperwork says they are so and so age then what’s the harm in taking care of them until this point. When you sign the adoption paperwork you sign on for that time. If they need help or it’s unsafe to have them in the home get them that help. It sounds like finances were the biggest reason they stopped their chosen parental duties. Also medical conditions don’t look the same in every person you could have the same genetic variation in display differently. I think we can all imagine a kid meeting someone who is like them for the first time they probably want to look more like their new friend who is like them. They made seeing someone who experiences the world the same way.
Father of 3 should know kids grow at different rates... Walk into any classroom and you'll see kids of different sizes and shapes! My daughter is youngest, but has always been super-tall. It caused a lot of issues as people would expect she's older and should act differently.
If the story wasn't appalling enough his performance was so off putting. What bothered me the most was if his wife thought Natalia was a grown women why would she have her husband to come into the bathroom to look at her pubic hair or even for that matter her private parts. Trying to be nice here, I was a very early bloomer (8) and I had no idea what was wrong so I called my mom and told her I thought I was dying, shows how much I thought I knew was happening to me.. My dad was home but i knew what happen to a girls privacy was not his business, I had to talk to mom. These people had no business adopting this child and didn't know how to deal with her or decided she wasn't worth the trouble, so I think they dumped her which was cruel.
Could you cover the Kate Gosselin dynamic and statement about Collin. The whole thing. Seemed more an example of gaslighting.
Yessss both parents. I’d love to see their relationship examined as they got more fame
I just watched the documentary, and I don't understand how the courts can FORCE someone to lie on the stand about their age. Isn't it illegal to lie under oath? It's been proven that she was a child at the time. I can hardly believe the miscarriage of justice. Also, it sounds like they were beating the crap out of her as well.
Ikr!!
So she noticed that they made a whole fuss about her development, she picks up on their need for her to appear younger and maybe even is scared of their reactions, so she tries to make them happy. Very normal reaction for a child. How they objectified her body and displayed her very private development is disgusting. And him believing himself to be smart jet believes an avarage from google to be not just an avarage. Probs doesn't even know' what an avarage is.
The youngest mother ever recorded was 5, so children can develop at any age
Exactly what I was about to comment.
@@kpoctopus Great minds think alike. :) Although, at first, I believed Natalia was older. Now that I have seen more on the case, sure, she was a mature kid, with a mean streak, but she was the age they claimed when she was adopted, especially since her biological mother confirmed it
The youngest little girl to get pregnant and give birth was 5 while pregnant 6 when gave birth. Very early puberty (menstruation) is very common when prolonged SA has been happening. I started @ 5 for this reason. My friends Gma was 5. I also knew a few girls that started at 6. I was also a C cup by like 3rd grade and could pass for 21 by the time I was 11 or 12. I believe Natalia was a child there are pictures from them where she had lost teeth and adult teeth grew in. You can't fake this.
I was never assaulted but I started early at around 7 or 8 and was just about fully developed by 9 or 10. I even mentioned to someone else how I could pass as a 21 year old at 12 and that's based on what OTHER PEOPLE have told me. Strangers who legit thought I was 21 because I was about a C cup, 5'5'' or getting close to 5'7''. I did that guess your age thing and she guessed 21 when I was 12. She even admitted how she wouldn't have questioned me if I was at a bar waiting to be served! She would have went ahead and given me my drink order!
@@wintermoon7003 Yup where I live this is very common. I have brothers and cousins that can grow full ZZtops mountain man beards in elementary scool.
@@blessedgirly7402 Oh I believe it!
@@blessedgirly7402 There was a kid in my 3rd grade class who had a full on mustache. And this was in 1970. It absolutely happens.
@@sharimeline3077 My baby sister was born with one. Not even joking.
I'm a primary school teacher. I'm just going to say that there can be great differences in same aged children's height, weight, emotional regulation and language development. Humans are not cookie cutters.
I dont think i believe anyone in this case 100% but the barnetts especially- they come across as very self absorbed and handled this in the worst way possible.
Their 22 year old son does seem genuine. He was the only son who was interviewed.
@@carochan86 and he was experiencing everything as a child who could only know what his parents told him
Thank you! I have been so suspicious of this family! Here in Indiana, this was huge news. Please keep discussing this case. The husband is so sketchy!! He was quite the media hog.
I prefer to believe the Court Documents - Tippecanoe County Court Records Department just released in August 2023 the Court Documents regarding this case for Public View with the exception of Vital and Medical records prohibited by HIPAA Laws ....on the document titled "Court Order Granting Dismissal" dated 08/14/2022 by Indiana, Tippecanoe County Superior Court (2), it states why the Judge in June 2012 changed her birth year, it reads:
"It was undisputed that Natalia's actual birth certificate stated she was born (redacted) 1989, making her over twenty-two years old and that she has been determined to be an Adult"
"The doctrine of res judicata and collateral estoppel precluded the re-litigation of Natalia's age and the validity of the 2012 Marion Court Order upholds and cannot be undermined or attacked." Superior Court granted a #Dismissal
**----------Another Court Document- Indiana Court of Appeals (Appellate Court Verified Response) to an Appeal, dated 11/09/2020 it reads on page 3 of the 10 page document:
"On March 07, 2017, following an Evidentiary Court Hearing on a Motion to Vacate the Order changing Natalia's date of birth , the Marion Superior Court Probate Division, verified and re-affirmed its' prior Court Order finding that September 04, 1989 is Natalia's date of Birth. Appeals Court upheld the #Dismissal.
**--------------In January 2022- Indiana Supreme Court- Upholds the #Dismissal and #Moots the case altogether since the actual copy of the birth certificate was affirmed - there would be no further ruling that would have a practical effect and cannot provide any effective relief of the case going forward - the #Dismissal upholds and case will be #Mooted.
Natalia's Prosecution Team always lacked sufficient evidence to go against the actual birth certificate that states she was born September 04, 1989...... I believe the Court Documents.......
@@camiosis You prefer to copy & paste your lies all over. Too late. The docuseries exposed you and you will never be welcome in polite society ever again
They proved the judge got it wrong.
The evidence was laughable and even at times falsified to get her reaged.
The legal system gets things wrong far too often to site them as a valid truth teller.
The legal system is horribly flawed in America.
The fact that there is all this evidence and her own birth mother’s testimony is regarded as not important to over turn a wrong, shows how much the legal system really doesn’t care about the truth.
The birth certificate they issued/affirmed is the same one these courts want to uphold. Meaning they don’t want to be wrong and face any consequences.
The state needs to be sued.
21:42 it says AVERAGE. Average doesnt mean only between 8 to 13.....
Glad you did this i couldn't stomach watching how narcissistic he is. That poor girl deserves justice
This breaks my heart. Poor Natalia, going through all this abuse and rejection.
There is a part on the documentry where Micheal Barnett hugs his 22 year old son. You can see it in his son's face that the hug is disconnected.
When his 22 year old son talked you could see the genuiness through out . The comparison of Father and Son is night and day.
I started going through puberty at 7. My mom was well aware and well prepared too. In second grade I had pads in my backpack just in case, I started growing hair in places, I started having body odor and I was definitely moody as all hell. So I'd have to slightly disagree with Google on their puberty range without having to do any research 😂
Oh man. As a mom, I can’t imagine trying to teach emotional regulation to a young child who is also dealing with hormones
I started my period 2 days before I turned 8 (what a birthday present), but I didn't grow much hair until a year or so later. I always take any "well, I googled it" statement about ANYTHING with a pillar of salt.
Yep, I was about 9 or 10 when I was already developed and had my period. Sadly I didn't grow more and just stayed a C cup, but I was starting to look "womanly" young. I was too much of a tomboy to care other than how the cramping made me feel. Those were and still are the worst! And I was always the tallest one in my class. At least until high school when the boys started growing. Seriously, some didn't even start growing until senior year! I wasn't even that tall, just 5'7''. And I was about 5'5'' when puberty hit. So yeah, someone could have thought I was an adult. And in fact, I went to one of those, guess you age, weight, or height, things at an amusement park. I was 12 at this time. She guessed my age to be 21. I was looking at it upside down and was so disappointed that she guessed it right! But nope, she didn't guess right! She even admitted to me and the family that if she saw me at the bar, she would have poured me a drink with no issue! XD
@@bleukettu4521yeah and then you have me on the opposite side of that spectrum. I didn't start my period until 3 days AFTER my 15th birthday (I was a very late bloomer lol) I had all the hair and puberty things I just didn't have my period 😭
i was a bit late, i was 13
Like. It was known she was a special needs kid. He mentions that she had foot surgery and other doctor's appointments, but seems to completely not mention whether or not they had her checked out for anything related to early puberty. Bodies are WEIRD. They do WEIRD things sometimes.
Also, so what if she's larger than another kid her age with the same kind of dwarfism? I was a TALL kid, but I'm a short adult because I hit my growth spurts super early. People grow at different rates and times, and I'm sure if she had early puberty, she probably would have grown faster.
So glad you're doing this case, so many alarm bells were ringing. Definitely please do more of this case.
What makes me angry us that someone brings a kid who needs multiple surgeries into country where people commonly declare bankruptcy due to medical bills. It's very irresponsible from the adoption agency.
That's what you took away from this? Many of the kids coming here have special needs, and you want us to turn them away. Good job.
What's the problem if a family is rich af and got like "15 tvs and several cars and lamborgini"? They can afford to help a child with special needs.
I understand your view, and it’s valid, but thankfully liberal states here have Medicaid programs that are pretty extensive for caring for ppl with disabilities. As a little person with complicated medical needs, they could’ve easily gotten her medical expenses and physical therapies covered. If they were in republican states then the coverage can be limited and difficult to obtain, but it’s not awful in all the states.
What in the world are you talking about? Who said no one paid for her surgery?
Right because that what this is about. 🙄
I can’t imagine such a little kid going through all of this, especially when living with a disability.
"they even claimed this" - I was wondering how much would be copywrite striked. Thanks for sharing none the less!
That poor baby didn’t deserve those scumbag “parents”. They decided for whatever reason they didn’t want her anymore and started making up shit to get rid of her. Even IF (and that’s a very big IF) she were an adult, no one who has a disability like she does should be left to live completely alone. They need help, and especially someone who doesn’t know the town she’s in, the state she’s in, much less the country she’s in. I feel so badly for her. Her entire childhood was a media circus and I hope she’s able to find peace with her new self claimed family. She deserves happiness and a life without so much persecution from a “family” who is out for the money. Once she’s over 18 actually, I’d be suing the shit out of the parents for defamation of character and the judge who allowed her to be aged up.
Personally, I feel that Natalia was maybe a couple years older. It's common for those orphanages to change the birth years to get the kids adopted. She was still a child. They were ill prepared for a kid with all of the issues she came with, and found a way to blame her, instead of taking the responsibility of a parent. She was failed by so many people. It's absolutely abhorrent.
Her age was proven though. They identified her mother through DNA, and there are hospital records of her giving birth to a child with the same conditions as Natalia. I don't understand why so many people still act like it's a mystery.
@@stevnatedRight … it’s ridiculous and quite disgusting that people continue to acuse and question this poor kid, you’d think the DNA test from the mom would be enough to stop this grown woman BS!
We appreciate your analysis. We will always support you no matter what.
Why do you Mention "'No Matter What"'? What do you presume Might happen???
I would love more about this case...
My nephew is 145, and just turned 7... Children can look different...
145?
Oh God thank you!! I was hoping you would analyze him!! He is so incredibly fake and phony!
I love that you try to remain as unbiased as possible while also being honest about the opinions you've formed from watching
Narcissists telling a story always act and sound very….animated.
That poor little girl must have some serious abandonment issues now.
Can’t wait for your analysis, Observe!! Always interesting and insightful.
Of all the issues with this case, calling a spouse to come look at any naked vulnerable feels creepy. If I were in those shoes, I would opt to tell my spouse of my concerns-- not create a "show". Body hair is not a reason to shame or expose a person, a true medical emergency perhaps all hands on deck only.
All "oddities" they noticed are normal among children who have gone through traumatic experiences. This includes early onset of puberty.
Definitely continue with your observation! This series and the dad is so interesting to me and I definitely want to hear your take.
I feel like the interview at his home and with his son would be fascinating to observe.
It was so hard to take the dad serious watching the show, he made me laugh unintentionally from his overacting
I developed early. I started developing breasts around age 6 or 7. I started growing public hair shortly after and my first period was at age 9 or 10. My mom was an early developer, too. It's not uncommon.
My BFF in elementary school was petite, short and skinny, with damn near double d's in 5th grade. Not exaggerated one bit. Specifically remember it being 5th grade because we walked home together from elementary, and I remember one of the walks home a couple boys run up on us and the ripped her shirt down to really see if they were real.
This man’s choice of words throughout is questionable. When we spoke about the earthquake in Haiti there was no mention of the girl or how many other kids would remain suffering. Thousands died. Instead he used a pretty cold term of “we missed our window”.
Side note, I worked in a drug and alcohol treatment center and the nicer a client was being to me or them going out their way to show staff great behavior, the more it made me suspicious of them.
She was obviously a child and even if she was an adult (which clearly isn’t the case) dumping her off in an apartment all alone with no accommodations for her size and disabilities is just so very wrong.
Yesssss I'm so excited for this one! The father is very.....interesting...
Love an early morning video! Thanks for covering this.
Family seeks out disabled, traumatized child to adopt, does zero research on the effects of trauma.
Shocked when child says disturbing things.
What is this compulsive need rich people seem to have with adoption? They're like "ok I own everything I've ever wanted. Now I shall own a human!" And that's how they treat them too. As possessions.
Good point!
I wouldn’t let that man anywhere near a child
Thank you for your expertise this really is a video that brings justice to the atrocities that beheld Natalia Grace
I’m a primary school teacher and whilst it’s not common, there are children who go through puberty early and start their periods aged 8. If you start periods at that time, they’ve had other changes in the years before. If I noticed this in an adopted child I’d consult a doctor about early puberty in the child.
I'm so glad you did this!!!! I have been watching your videos for ages now and trying to some degree to self teach myself body language reading to an amateur degree. I was transfixed watching this documentary and the way Michael projects emotions, and he had my hackles up the ENTIRE time and you pegged all the things i noticed and pretty much quoted what i was thinking...... I thought I was just being super biased because I feel like he is a pretentious pos. I'm glad to know I wasn't the only one thinking all of this.
Im so glad you’re making a video on him! I watched this the other day and kept hoping you would!!!
CONTINUE DOING THIS! This whole story is wild. I dont know why they wouldn’t take her to a doctor kf she was having signs of puberty or a period at age 6... like how could you thinkna 22yr old was 8?
Agreed! He was so over the top I couldn’t believe it! Literally like he was auditioning for a movie role.
When he started punching the floor i had to pause the documentary. I couldn't believe he thought anyone would buy ANY of what he was saying. That whole second interview was unhinged AF.
For the longest time people guessed me as at least five years older than I actually was. It was due to the circumstances at home and how I had to act to "survive". So yeah, at lot af things can influence your appearance and how you behave.
His narration style and his mannerisms while telling his story are like he is reading a story to children. He is so overly animated the whole time.
I just watched season 1 & 2 and came to Observe because I was hoping to hear your thoughts. You said a lot of what I was thinking, but couldn’t verbalize. Please do more videos on Natalia and Michael. I love your insight!
Is there legal precedent for altering a living child's age on their identifying documents and/or medical records? WTF. When would that ever have happened before?
I fell like these people watched the movie Orphan (2009) and are convinced theyre living it..
You’re the only body language expert on RUclips that i know of and respect. Everyone else seems to sensationalize or let their biases and preconceived notions get in the way way. Its disgraceful but anyway thank you for being genuine, as far as i can tell :)
My heart truly hurts for her...
“WE WERE ALL ABUSED!” I can tell he rehearsed that line often until it was to perfection.
He was mistreated by Kristen, but he could’ve done more.
This father is in fact "overly dramatic" and has "rehearsed" behaviors, but that does not mean he is lying. It just means he is overly-dramatic and overly-expressive. I was a Music director for 30 years and did way too much musical theater. Most everyone in theater is overly-dramatic and uses rehearsed behaviors to draw attention to themselves in their free time. It doesn't mean they are manipulative, just exaggerated! Every thought, movement and word is exaggerated and overly dramatic. It helps them gain attention. They are attention seekers both on and off stage and the energy and over dramatization they use on stage is impossible for them to "turn off" once they are off stage. Even the most basic things are blown way out of proportion... "Like... oh my god! That is the MOST AWESOME shirt I have EVER seen in my ENTIRE life!!!" He's simply a "drama queen." Example: in the series there is a scene where he is visiting and entering his lawyers office. As he is entering he very excitedly says, " I'm going up to visit my lawyers office where I have 3 lawyers working 24/7 for me and only for me." That is obviously not a factual statement, he's simply excited and exaggerating.
It’s mind boggling that this POS was found not guilty. Our justice system is broken. Every time he speaks, he’s putting on a literal show. It’s all a performance and none of it is authentic. I hope one day justice will be served and these two monsters will pay for what they did to that poor girl.
Please continue your observation of him. Outside of the US we have had no updates since the story first dropped years ago, and our media never covered any interviews. So this is very interesting to see.
A question: is it possible that all of the "no" shakes and the heavily rehearsed sound of the narrative are due to Michael being very aware that he is telling this story in his own defense. In other words, is he hearing the accusations of neglect in his head the whole time he's talking and that's what he's shaking his head "no" at?
Also, friggin' love his terrible acting. Putting his hand to his mouth to show us how shocked he was. 😂
Agreed. There are moments when it sounds like parody: like he's making fun of some other incredibly phony person.
First, he says that they only have 24 hours to come get here. Then he says “for the past couple of days, my wife and I have been worried” the child won’t like them blah blah blah. Bro, you can’t even keep your story straight.
The later interview in the other house (where he bloodies his knuckles on the carpet), his son's interviews, and eventually Natalia when they release her side would all be videos i'd be interested in watching here!
I almost clicked off on this documentary because it felt so overdramatised, until I realised the man talking was the FATHER. This man creeps me out.
There's also the possibility that she wasnt lying, but that she was in fact older than her birth certificate originally stated - theres a chance she simply didnt know she was older than she was, and her BC was also wrong. If people were telling her she was younger than she was for the better part of her life at that point, what child is gonna disagree with them?
Why are people still acting like her age hasn't been proven? (she's currently 19)
Her Ukrainian birth certificate says 2003. Her birth mother, who has been verified through DNA testing, says she was born in 2003.
Early in the case, there was speculation that the orphanage shaved a couple years off her age to make her more adoptable, but it's been debunked.
@@stevnated I know absolutely nothing of this besides this video here. How was it proven?
You know, I’m so sick of people talking about the disgusting behavior of Natalia. The reality is that she was Ukrainian orphan in horrible orphanages, taken by many people and returned. We don’t know what kind of abuse she suffered or what kind of neglect she suffered in those homes. Then she was adopted by these two nut cases and they abused her. After abusing her, probably both physically and sexually they then took this nine-year-old vulnerable child, who had an emotional horror show as a kid, and put her in an apartment by herself, and was left alone, while they fled the country. What exactly would you guys expect her behavior to be like in that situation. now that we know she was officially a child when they dumped in that apartment hopefully more people will be understanding of the fact that she had every right to behave the way that she did. She was a child acting out of fear. Fear of abuse, fear of abandonment fear of further abuse, fear of neglect, emotional scars, and damage. Nobody has a damn thing to say about how Natalia behaved because I would like to see how any of you would behave as a nine-year-old child dumped in an apartment after being abused for years. People need to stop judging situations they know nothing about. And start emphasizing with the victims. How do you think you would act if you were that child?
And the sad part is that these two lunatics lied about this innocent child for years. They vilified her, they turned her into a monster they made everyone afraid of her, and because of double jeopardy they will never face justice for dumping that child in an apartment by herself, and leaving the country And she was a special-needs child on top of that. This makes me so beyond angry. It is disgusting and I hope they get charged with attempted murder because what they did to that child was absolutely horrendous and anybody who thinks that Natalia‘s behavior was inappropriate given the circumstance then you’re just a pathetic loser of a person who has no ability to empathize with anybody, and you’re not worth the air, nobody judges, young woman she suffered through more than most people will suffer through their entire lifetimes. By the time she was 10 years old anybody who says anything bad about her is not evil, but heartless, those who knew the truth supported Natalia I’m very proud of you. Everybody else acted like sheep, and just jumped on the bandwagon.
I hope if there was other abuse that Natalia will come forward so they can be charged. She deserves justice. They are literally going to get away with this.
I’ll bet you in the next few months there’s gonna be thousands of dirty deletes. People deleting the comments they made about how she was as sociopathic adult praying on these poor people. I hope that Natalia looks up every person who said bad stuff about her and sue them for defamation . Because y’all deserve it.
The fact that he has NO self awareness whatsoever cracks me up! He acted a fool the ENTIRE documentary!😂😂😂
I'm shocked this couple was not cancelled & shunned. They both are on the lowest rung of humanity.