My family and I went there a year or two ago and I gathered up some of the material from there and sent it to Fr Andrew. (As I live in KY and am not too far from it.) Would love to see some other LoS fans and even host a meal with the fathers here.
I would love to hear more about the myth of western civilization. I remember being taught about this great arc or history going back to Sumer and the beginning of writing. How everything that happed across northern Africa and the middle east was "western" until it wasn't. what it meant to be western meant only what happened in western Europe. It was a long time before I really understood that there was a vibrant orthodox culture that was going along just fine. I would love to hear more about this.
The point is not that they should not be read, interpreted, etc. It is that they are not fundamentally compatible with Christianity in the way that neoclassicists have attempted to portray.
I appreciate this discussion so far but coming from someone raiser as a JW, I’m having trouble understanding some of the claims about God, like the necessity of God being unchanging, how God existing in time would make him a creature just because the experience of time is human, etc. in JW land god is highly anthropomorphic which is ironic considering they deny Jesus being of one essence with the father. these claims I’m sure make perfect sense to someone with the orthodox mindset and usually these things click for me with enough listening and researching. Im not saying everything has to come from the Bible or to be the guy that says “source?” But I wanted to share how someone on the outside is perceiving the show. Thanks and God bless.
Hi, you raise a great point. There is a lot of context behind or beneath what is being said that is easy to take for granted. If you are interested in some (not so) light reading, you can check out "An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith" by St. John of Damascus. This is a great overview of a lot of these metaphysical categories by which we view theology in the Orthodox faith.
Ah, the invisible army of angelic messengers and such exists. Was it God? Was is an angel of God doing God's will? Regardless, God is omnipresent through his Holy Spirit.
Also the problem with their reading of “predestined” or “ordered in advance” is the verb’s object. They act like the object is dome generic set they call “things.” But that is now what Saint Paul said. Even on their interpretation of the word, the text would say God ordered “us” (Christians) in advance. This is more than just providing the general means of salvation as they imply. Even on this account, their critique of Calvinism is weak. I expect more from someone who supposedly has expertise on these issues…
I'm 20 minutes in, and of course, I have a question already that may get answered later, but I don't want to forget that I asked it and then not notice when it's answered because I'm so into what's being said... Anyway, at 19:45, you're talking about God not having to be at the physical place. And obviously, you're not talking about Him being just an energy that a few people have somehow accessed and thus are healed. I'm assuming that His healing is personal, that it's intentional (although caveat, woman w blood issue). Is my assumption correct?
The critique of calvinism is really, really weak. Even putting aside the fact that the Bible uses phrases like “before the foundation of the world,” you do not need it to make the point (contra 1:30:00 and following). You can use teleology. People are made for deification. Sin subverts their purpose. God sovereignly brings some sinners back onto the path of theosis and ensures that they reach that goal. This also shows why reprobation is not the same as election. Because in reprobation, the sinner is passed over for receiving this particular grace. Also, many calvinists are cool with moral inability as a category and love the idea that true freedom is freedom from being able to sin. Again, the idea that this breaks all the Calvinist categories is absurd. Augustine said something similar and I think Calvin even quotes him.
And what is appealing about the smugness they show toward other views? To have that kind of smugness is off-putting to start with, but then to be patently wrong makes it pretty insufferable.
You’re either getting us confused with Catholics or intentionally being disingenuous. “The Church” has never had civil power. There have been times in history where certain bishops held some semblance of civil authority they could wield, but the Church is not bound to the actions or decisions of any one man or group of men within a certain area of governance. The Church is the entire body of Christ. While members of the body can sin, the body as a whole does not.
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Super excited that this episode gives me another opportunity to pitch the LoS field trip to the ark experience. Please, someone, make this happen!
My family and I went there a year or two ago and I gathered up some of the material from there and sent it to Fr Andrew. (As I live in KY and am not too far from it.)
Would love to see some other LoS fans and even host a meal with the fathers here.
Repentance = “Return to Me”
I would love to hear more about the myth of western civilization. I remember being taught about this great arc or history going back to Sumer and the beginning of writing. How everything that happed across northern Africa and the middle east was "western" until it wasn't. what it meant to be western meant only what happened in western Europe. It was a long time before I really understood that there was a vibrant orthodox culture that was going along just fine. I would love to hear more about this.
We need that Olympic rant as a clip. Please.
I second this. I remember when all that happened, and I was just sitting over here like "But the Olympics have *always* been pagan."
I love these mind-bending ones.
After listening. . . It was great, but I guess not as mind-bending as I had hoped. 😉
Thank you fathers.
Thank you! I was starting to feel crazy for not caring about the inevitable Bacchanalia that one occasionally finds at pagan sports festivals.
What a lovely episode.
Agreed!
It’s very interesting how in the OT God refers to events as “The time is coming and now is…”, which reveal that He’s outside of time.
Spirit to spirit like that of understanding prayer interaction.
Goldfish definitely have a memory, and even recognize each other and their caregivers
Thank you fathers. I'm new to concepts like providence..... How does this relate to what yer discussing please?
But re: the early rant on paganism, St. Basil says to read the pagan myths. And the myths are about the demons, aren't they?
The point is not that they should not be read, interpreted, etc. It is that they are not fundamentally compatible with Christianity in the way that neoclassicists have attempted to portray.
Guarding the heart is definitely needful when reading such material. We definitely benefit in studying the ways of the enemy creations.
"Rolling Stones better than the Beatles is right.
I'm going to have to 'um, actually'...for any of those curious about the Precious Moments Chapel...it's in Carthage, MO. 😊
I appreciate this discussion so far but coming from someone raiser as a JW, I’m having trouble understanding some of the claims about God, like the necessity of God being unchanging, how God existing in time would make him a creature just because the experience of time is human, etc. in JW land god is highly anthropomorphic which is ironic considering they deny Jesus being of one essence with the father. these claims I’m sure make perfect sense to someone with the orthodox mindset and usually these things click for me with enough listening and researching. Im not saying everything has to come from the Bible or to be the guy that says “source?” But I wanted to share how someone on the outside is perceiving the show. Thanks and God bless.
Hi, you raise a great point. There is a lot of context behind or beneath what is being said that is easy to take for granted.
If you are interested in some (not so) light reading, you can check out "An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith" by St. John of Damascus. This is a great overview of a lot of these metaphysical categories by which we view theology in the Orthodox faith.
Omnipresence
More famous phenomenologist? Maybe Jordan Peterson, Saint Edith Stein, was Heidegger one?
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Ah, the invisible army of angelic messengers and such exists. Was it God? Was is an angel of God doing God's will? Regardless, God is omnipresent through his Holy Spirit.
No references to Time Bandits?
Right? Right! Right? Right! right?...
Right!
Also the problem with their reading of “predestined” or “ordered in advance” is the verb’s object. They act like the object is dome generic set they call “things.” But that is now what Saint Paul said. Even on their interpretation of the word, the text would say God ordered “us” (Christians) in advance. This is more than just providing the general means of salvation as they imply.
Even on this account, their critique of Calvinism is weak. I expect more from someone who supposedly has expertise on these issues…
The only Calvinist woman I can name off the top of my head is Allie Beth Stuckey from BlazeTV.
I'm 20 minutes in, and of course, I have a question already that may get answered later, but I don't want to forget that I asked it and then not notice when it's answered because I'm so into what's being said...
Anyway, at 19:45, you're talking about God not having to be at the physical place. And obviously, you're not talking about Him being just an energy that a few people have somehow accessed and thus are healed. I'm assuming that His healing is personal, that it's intentional (although caveat, woman w blood issue). Is my assumption correct?
The critique of calvinism is really, really weak.
Even putting aside the fact that the Bible uses phrases like “before the foundation of the world,” you do not need it to make the point (contra 1:30:00 and following). You can use teleology.
People are made for deification. Sin subverts their purpose. God sovereignly brings some sinners back onto the path of theosis and ensures that they reach that goal.
This also shows why reprobation is not the same as election. Because in reprobation, the sinner is passed over for receiving this particular grace.
Also, many calvinists are cool with moral inability as a category and love the idea that true freedom is freedom from being able to sin. Again, the idea that this breaks all the Calvinist categories is absurd. Augustine said something similar and I think Calvin even quotes him.
And what is appealing about the smugness they show toward other views? To have that kind of smugness is off-putting to start with, but then to be patently wrong makes it pretty insufferable.
"Rolling Stones better than the Beatles" is the first time that Fr. Stephen De Young is objectively and undeniably wrong.
A very reactionary talk. You forget that Christian Church committed a huge amount of crime against humanity when it had civil power.
You’re either getting us confused with Catholics or intentionally being disingenuous.
“The Church” has never had civil power. There have been times in history where certain bishops held some semblance of civil authority they could wield, but the Church is not bound to the actions or decisions of any one man or group of men within a certain area of governance. The Church is the entire body of Christ. While members of the body can sin, the body as a whole does not.
Orthodox Church never had anything like that happen. We never really burned people at the stake for heresy. I think it only happened like 4 times.