Lyle McDonald Interview - Unravelling Fitness Industry B.S. & Decoding The Gurus
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- A conversation with industry OG. Lyle McDonald on various topics related to training, nutrition periodization, hypertrophy, and the ever-prevailing fitness industry B.S. Topic Timestamps in pinned comment
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0:55 - alt.misc.weights newsgroup days of the early 90s
2:27 - why has Lyle remained consistent on the forums over the years?
5:49 - The sorry state of the fitness industry
12:33 - collaboration with Dan Duchaine
24:40 - can you gain muscle on keto/carnivore/zero carb diets?
23:53 - Oliver Starr low carb + Insulin experiment
26:40 - Golden Era macros
29:28 - Michael Mooney - hormonal profile of puberty
31:16 - Dan Ducahine’s thoughts on PED use
37:38 - Changes to the Ultimate Diet 2.0 over time?
48:10 - neurobiology underpinning obesity and dysregulated eating in female clients.
1:01:24 - “Click training” for animals/athletes
1:22:55 - The “evidence-based” High Volume Paradox
1:37:31 - Lyle's Specialization routines
1:50:39 - Positions of Flexion - ahead of its time?
1:52:00 - exercise selection minimalism and avoiding redundancy
1:54:00 - Duchaine’s thoughts on exercise selection
1:56:15 - Amusing volume study contradictions
2:02:00 - Critiquing poorly conducted studies on volume for hypertrophy
2:05:00 - mechanical tension = the primary driver of hypertrophy
2:06:00 - the study that needs to be done!
2:07:16 - Chris Beardley’s model
2:07:45 - showing how a range of training models work - smoothing out the contradictions.
2:08:45 - Brad’s high-volume nonsense
2:13:25 - Dorian Yates training example
2:20:57 - Benefits of alternating training extremes - myofibrillar vs sarcoplasmic hypertrophy and its impact on bodybuilders' physiques
2:24:11 Historical comparison of East Coast vs West Coast bodybuilders' training styles and resulting physique differences.
2:30:44 - The effectiveness of full-body workouts and split routines in bodybuilding.
2:32:40 - benefits of short strength cycles for bodybuilders.
2:33:28 - utility of the UD 2.0 system as a periodization scheme for better hypertrophy and strength outcomes.
2:35:38 - Full-body workouts
2:39:34 - HST Training
One of the best voices in the industry!
This is one of the best fitness podcasts. Lyle is one of the best and must be protected at all costs. Could listen to him talk all day
That's awesome praise and thanks for leaving a comment mate. I'll have Lyle on again as there's so much more I want to ask him
You've never had an easier guest. Just wind him up and watch him go!
Great interview. Fascinating stuff.
Haha Lyle's great. So giving of his time and I could probably listen forever. I cut an hour because it was off the record stuff, but 2 hours in I really needed to go pee, but didn't want to risk losing the guest, so I clung on until the end and nearly exploded my bladder
Fantastic interview. Lyle is one of the industry's greatest minds, and it's awesome that he is able to speak freely - he's not selling anything.
Your vids always take me back in time. Lyle mentioned some very familiar old school names.
John Parillo wrote a couple of decent books and was featured on the old ESPN "American Muscle Magazine" a couple of times. I remember he preached a very high carb, high calorie diet and a killer training routine that emphasized high volume, fairly high frequency, and use of both the higher volume metabolic training and very heavy low rep power training on some exercises.
I also recall Scott Abel having some good articles in MMI back in the mid-late 90's. He was a well respected coach and trainer, as well as a beast in his own right in his younger years. I remember one particular interview he gave in MMI where he preached about the importance of keeping sodium fairly high in the diet, and only cutting it in the last several days before a bodybuilding competition - IF one was a competitor.
I googled "Big Beyond Belief", as it struck a familiar chord. My search even took me to your webpage, where you gave the system a positive review and put up pics and your program. I believe this was from 2016?
It appears that BBB was the evolution of Costa's "Bulgarian Burst" training program that he put out in the early 90's - he claimed to have spent time with Bulgarian weightlifting teams back then, and that he adapted their methods to bodybuilding. He was a great marketer - he had a black and white photo of super-freaky Phil Hernon at his biggest at the top of the lefthand page of the two page ad he ran in the muscle mags, and the rest of the left page was the story of how the program came about, and the fantastic results he and his clients were supposedly getting. The right page was filled with supposed testimonials from clients and other fitness experts who gave glowing opinions of the system.
I forked over $50 back in 1992 or '93 for Bulgarian Burst, and although I found the system to not really be ideal for me, I did learn one very important thing from the program. And that was to change up my routine at least a little bit every 2-4 weeks. I would say that particular point was very helpful, and made the $50 a good longterm investment in my training.
Costa later admitted that he made the whole routine up, that he had not taken it from the Bulgarian weightlifters and adapted it to bodybuilding. Oh, he also claimed in those old ads that he did not use PEDs (despite claiming to be 250 pounds with low bodyfat at 5'10) and did not allow any of his clients to either. 😆
If the YT algo was based upon quality of content, you would have at least as many subs and views on your channel as Sam Sulek.
Thanks for that great comment and yes I interviewed Leo Costa the other day because I'm making a 30 year retrospective of his book. Many people thought it was nutty but it has a lot of elements that worked just fine beyond the dismissive first glance many were giving it. I think Mike Israetel's "borrowed" a lot of that program for his modern day iteration of his own RP stuff.
Really appreciate the kind words and taking the time to leave such a thoughtful comment. If you have any other people you'd like me to interview, let me know so I don't glance over any of these "forgotten" names of the past
#guru I used all Lyle’s booklets . All with success -competing in BB at 60 - thanks Lyle for being Lyle !
Nice one
So glad Lyle mentioned the addictive design of mobile games. It's literally one of the most insidious ways to damage a child's brain, yet it flows under the radar of government regulation in most countries.
Everything is designed for maximum limbic hijack these days, especially the food. Digital devices are just another form of input we need to monitor our mindless consumption of. Thanks for commenting
@@carvedouttastone thanks for putting Lyle on your channel. The three hours just went by and I learned a lot.
@@DOMDZ90911 my pleasure and glad you enjoyed. I hope you have this legend on again soon
Child's? LOL Grown men (and now many women).
Lyles the best! Bring him back on
Thanks I'd love to do just that and get more granular on certain topics. Please encourage him to come on again via his Facebook page
One of the points Lyle makes, which is correct, that everyone else misses, including the people doing these studies - you HAVE TO control for ALL variables that affect hypertrophy if you are testing one variable. If you are testing if higher volume leads to higher hypertrophy, you HAVE TO control all other variables to assess what is actually causing the growth - variables that have to be controlled for include-lean muscle mass, body weight changes, hydration, RPE, exercise selection, diet and protein, what is going on outside of the study (eg is the test subject running 30 miles every week), stress, supplements, medication, etc etc etc.
It's why I have no understanding why people can quote exercise science with a straight face. They're not controlling for $hit and it's farcical that anyone takes this stuff seriously. The only studies that I'm interested in are the results I get in the gym from my own self experimentation. Thanks for watching!
@@carvedouttastonehi Shawn congrats on interviewing Lyle! I'd love to hear him talk about HST more, on his website he has an article briefly addressing it but it was written ages ago. Since then lots studies came out proving Bryan Haycocks HST system. I never heard Lyle talk anywhere about it, he steps knows the studies. Would be super interesting to have him address it again in the light of the evidence for part 2 of the interview.
Thanks for asking lyle my question about sarcoplasma myofibrilar Hypertrophy
I tried to include as many as I could but sometimes it's hard without sounding like a Q&A firing squad when I want it to sound more like a conversation
Great interview…. Didn’t know much about this guy at all . Very informative.
He may have hit the nail on the head with the main problem encountered when running science based programs on humans ……. Humans…..
Yes agree totally. Lyle's awesome mate. Always helpful and the only (one of) guy in the industry with any integrity.
Fascinating conversation and I'm not even a third of the way through. I was not expecting insights into mental health and parallels drawn with future treatments for obesity. A frank and informative guy.
Hope you enjoyed listening as much as I enjoyed making this one. Lyle's been one of those guys I've followed for over 30 years so it was great fun finally getting to talk shop with him and share his thoughts with others
Almost every interview you do, they seem to have the shakiest camera 🤳😅... But you still pull out the best interviews..🤙
Really appreciate that hell boy. High praise indeed and hope I can one day measure up to it. Really enjoyed the interview with Lyle and if there's any others you want to see let me know
I actually purchased the Positions of Flexion book back in the day. Totally gave me some new ways to think about training and variation. I feel it has applications in the full body movements as well as isolation for body parts.
Yeah it was great. I remember not really understanding the context of the science behind it but when I used it,.I noticed some great results, so I knew Steve Hollman was onto something
Yooo 3 hours let’s go 🍿 thanks man!
You're welcome mate. Thanks for watching!
Great pod, Shawn. I heard his name before but never really checked out his stuff until now. Very interesting guy.
Shawn, your consistency and integrity is wonderful. I really enjoyed this video, as well as the previous one with Conor. Well done.
Awesome to hear Marc and coming from you,.the feedback means a lot! Let's pair up again soon for another chat - maybe with Randy/Brian/Alex or even Jerry?
Shawn, sounds great! Thanks for the compliment, and when Randy and John want to chat, I will definitely jump on board.
Dorian Yates 267 lbs on stage
2:20:38 interesting, was this just a strenght thing or does this switching between the 2 training styles increase your Hypertrophy better than just do one of them?
Watch my serge nubret pump training vid where I explain what I've experienced further
You can still find Lye's keto diary online.
I think you can still find a lot of the alt.misc.weights.archives around with their associated gems
@@carvedouttastone yep
The diary is on scribd if I’m not mistaken
Really enjoyed this! Even if I already knew it, lyle has a way of organizing the idea into words that is helpful.
Hey mate glad you liked it. Would love to have Lyle on for a part 2 sometime. Thanks for leaving a comment
thank you for having the goat of nutrition and training on
I truly appreciate Lyle's time and candour. It's hard to get guests with a small channel, but Lyle is so gracious and I'm forever grateful
@@carvedouttastone yes and so lovely when a guy is only after the truth and facts and not about being cool, famous or having right like many of the other gurus.
1:46:20 lyles says with only 4hard sets for a musclr per week (what exactly is hard? Rir 0) you can maintain all your muscle mass for a long time. How long ? When i for exampale specialise chest und arms then back and delts them again chest and maybe quads. For months my harms and glutes om maintaince is this too long?
As per the video
Yea I listened for 30 minutes and failed to get into this. Lots of talking but not saying very much.
Thats why im reading the comments first lol
Lyle and Paul Carter are my guys for info on effective Hypertrophy training.
Paul Carter?
Huge contrast between Lyle and Jamie L. I doubt Jamie is significant enough for Lyle to focus on him and answer his insult ("pussy") with a detailed critique of Lewis.
Both have value with differing opinions and perspectives. I like both and don't agree with the name calling
@@carvedouttastone I listen to both and even if I do not agree with certain points it is all part of the learning process. I do think a significant issue relates to ideas of limits and the role of PEDs in this regard. I high,y appreciate your efforts and am keen to watch any content you produce. Maybe you can do something with fellow Aussie Ivan Djurik, no idea if he is interested. Again, many thanks. Perhaps someone who advocates HI.T or abbreviated/ hardgainer training would be a future idea? But for sure I will watch.
fantastic podcast I enjoyed every minute 🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝
Cheers mate. Anything you'd like to see asked in a follow up interview?
How long would lyle recommend a specialisation cycle?
6-8 weeks
Perfect, just started cardio!
Hope you like it :-)
That was absolute pure gold! One of the best interviews of Lyle I have ever seen…big thanks and clearly my email to him paid off! Jk, thanks again!
Solid content
Cheers Faz - I love your stuff too (when I even get a chance to watch anything these days!)
Lower volume and specialization together for advanced trainees seems counterintuitive, so I'd like some clarification. As far as I understand, Lyle's idea is that as trainees get more advanced, loads increase as well. With an increase in load, effort required to train with effectiveness increases (and recovery decreases). So that covers the reduction in volume as you get more advanced.
But specialization in two muscle groups would mean, as I understood, that you maintain the volume for them while reducing volume for non-specialized muscle groups. But why are we maintaining volume for specific muscle groups in advanced trainees if they require less volume to grow? I'm sure I'm missing something, unless the decrease in volume requirements aren't as large as I understood.
The only thing you're missing is some manners.
Lou Ferrigno is not 6.10. he's about 6.5
Ummm, look up the meaning of hyperbole - no one's here for your autistic history lessons. It's like saying "he was 1000kg" and could "life a tonne". A little more discernment if you please.
@@carvedouttastone can U get me some gear lad
1:51:02, 2:26:20 interesting
Yes I agree entirely. The whole conversation is a gold mine, but the speculation by Lyle on why growth is sporatic is a particularly rich vein. The ideas on capallisation does suggest the necessary incorporation of higher rep training, perhaps pump sets or a phase of Nubret style training. I always thought of such phases as rejuvenation and repair phases, whereas with the increased sacroplasm there is the stage set for further growth with the return to heavier sets. This channel provides so many insights from thinking men. Bravo!
Not long enough!
And I trimmed it down from 4 hours - but we're gonna do a part 2 soon
@@carvedouttastonelooking forward to it. I could listen to Lyle talk for days on end.
Interesting in terms of the experiment with keto and the anabolics. Although you didn't gain any weight, did you notice a change in body composition when running the androgens in conjunction with the carnivore diet?
Nothing discernible to be honest. I've never really been a huge responder to anabolics anyway - but using (legit) anadrol, I expected at least a pronounced weight/strength gain from water retention combined with the testosterone - but nothing. Now if I was.zwro carb dieting and using anabolics which I have done in the past using UD 2.0, I was able to get in insane condition - much better than when I was competing naturally
@@carvedouttastone I’ve heard Anadrol is harsh on the blood pressure, liver and lipids in a short period of time. I feel clean keto/strict carnivore improves drug metabolism… did you noticed an improvement tolerance to the drugs on carnivore?