Budget idea: you could also recreate the flicker of fire light by using the gold side of a reflector with warm light bouncing off it onto your subject. Move the reflector around to create the flicker effect. You could combine that with dimming the light up and down.
On a set I was on, we only had 4 Dedo lights with their attached dimmers and CTO as well as some straw gels. A slow motion reverse shot of a building on fire was done with people randomly dimming the lights while two of us crumpled and mixed the gels in front of the lights. The outside shoot had a street light in the distance that created the seperation we needed without additional setup. A crew member running around witht he flow of the wind used a thick haze to help push it enough without casting light rays.
I bought a dimmer socket where I plug my light into and have a mate operate it. I didn't have time to get CTO so I bought a plastic orange see through folder which I used as CTO. For the smoke I asked a mate with a vape to come and help 😅 Cheers!
Playing with a dimmer 🤷🏼♂️ haha or what I've found actually giving us an interesting look is just a real campfire. Of course, we were shooting outside. We used a good camera in low light situation and add few lights to emulate the moonlight!
I've used a can light with a tungsten bulb or an orange specialty bulb and a dimmer in the past to simulate fire. I've also used a cn160 with cto and had someone dim the light back and forth. Both work just as well.
Loosely clipped some yellow/orange gel over a small led light,, cut some red gel in to odd shaped/sized strips and loosely taped over the top , then put a small desktop fan underneath to create some movement..
If you don't have lights with a flicker function, you can add it in post with moderating the exposure/color of a selected area. Or just buy some fancy Aputure lights...
I'm not sure this would work, but what if our light didn't have random or flickering mode. Would setting a light with a CTO, and waving another CTO randomly in front of it do the job? Like, it would change the temperature a bit, and the intensity, so I believe it could achieve the flickering. No?
That's not a bad idea. The issue is that fire changes intensity and color randomly and independently, but maybe if you shook the light side to side or something like that it would effect the light enough to sell the effect
Get stock footage (or shoot it yourself) of a fire against a black background. Throw it onto the scene with a projector through diffusion and you're left with the color palette and relative movement of flames without having any sharp details from the projection wind up on your actors' faces.
The only thing I have that might work is a controllable LED parcan stage light. I think I would just fade the light in and out rapidly and then maybe use a piece of fabric to enhance the flickering effect of the fire.
i'm surprised you guys didn't try the wobbling reflector , before all these fancy RGB Lights that was a go to technique for dp's and gaffers to get realistic fire effects, it can also work as water reflection effects as well
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That’s very interesting regarding the water reflection. Can you tell me more about CC temperature and the kind of surface the reflector should be or any more info about it ? Thanks 🙏
Becareful with the RGB lights : even though the look the same color their spectral decomposition is really far from real sources so they change the colours of objects they bounce on... For fire there are plenty of ways but I would put very close together two flickering sources (5600k + CTO) with slightly different temperatures to mimic the rich colours of fire (camp fire style)!
I would use a reflector and hot light a lowel Omni in conjunction with my led lights. This would help the actor get more of a natural vibe due to how hot they can be
I've also recreated the fire making scene from Cast Away. For this one I just made a fire. However I had to make the piece of wood smoke without fire. So I bought some plastic tube which I placed underneath the wood, I covered it with sand and I blew sigaret smoke through it. I don't smoke so this was really dedication for the shot 😅. Here is some BTS footage: ruclips.net/video/tfDOOQ22-JU/видео.html
My way to make fire effect : I but fog machine in front of my warm led light , then fog changes light intensity randomly memking fire 😉 In closeups sense I just uses the vape in front of light source😅
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Budget idea: you could also recreate the flicker of fire light by using the gold side of a reflector with warm light bouncing off it onto your subject. Move the reflector around to create the flicker effect. You could combine that with dimming the light up and down.
In my short film, I just used a warm LED and then I made the flickering in post by key framing the brightness using curves in aftereffects.
Do you have this somewhere to look at? I would like to see how it turned out.
Interesting
On a set I was on, we only had 4 Dedo lights with their attached dimmers and CTO as well as some straw gels. A slow motion reverse shot of a building on fire was done with people randomly dimming the lights while two of us crumpled and mixed the gels in front of the lights. The outside shoot had a street light in the distance that created the seperation we needed without additional setup. A crew member running around witht he flow of the wind used a thick haze to help push it enough without casting light rays.
That sounds very complicated! I'm curious what a slow motion reverse shot is used for. But great idea mixing the gels in front of the dedo light!
During my last shoot I emulated fire by holding and waving orange crepe paper in front of a desk lamp.
Worked out pretty well.
Waving your fingers in front of a warm colored light is a pretty good way of doing a diy version of fire lighting.
I love the light setup seriesssss !!!
Thank you!
I bought a dimmer socket where I plug my light into and have a mate operate it. I didn't have time to get CTO so I bought a plastic orange see through folder which I used as CTO. For the smoke I asked a mate with a vape to come and help 😅
Cheers!
Perfect, I was just brainstorming a campfire scene over the weekend and was trying to figure out if the mc was going to be bright enough.
Nice! Depending on the size of the fire I think the MC could be a good option!
Using the gold side of a reflector can achieve a similar look I believe. Great video, definately gonna use it in my next video!
Super helpful! Many thanks!!
I shot a fireplace scene. I used a CTO gel on the key light with a switch for flickering. I also had two practical lights. Thanks for the videos.
Brilliant!
Cut the black charts like gape and no gape basis in rectangular shape.Then put it before the light and constantly shake it to have a fire effect🔥🔥🔥
Playing with a dimmer 🤷🏼♂️ haha or what I've found actually giving us an interesting look is just a real campfire. Of course, we were shooting outside. We used a good camera in low light situation and add few lights to emulate the moonlight!
Easiest way: Waving your hand over a tungsten lightbulb to achieve the flickering.
Wawww nice video as always we learn a lot I used an other technique in my last short film u gave me ideas tnks a lot
I've used a can light with a tungsten bulb or an orange specialty bulb and a dimmer in the past to simulate fire. I've also used a cn160 with cto and had someone dim the light back and forth. Both work just as well.
Amazing what you can do with some warm light and dimming! Great setup!
@@aputurelighting Thanks!
Loosely clipped some yellow/orange gel over a small led light,, cut some red gel in to odd shaped/sized strips and loosely taped over the top , then put a small desktop fan underneath to create some movement..
Good thinking using the fan to create moment!
If you don't have lights with a flicker function, you can add it in post with moderating the exposure/color of a selected area. Or just buy some fancy Aputure lights...
Not a bad idea trying to do it in post. A little key framing could go a long way
I'm not sure this would work, but what if our light didn't have random or flickering mode. Would setting a light with a CTO, and waving another CTO randomly in front of it do the job? Like, it would change the temperature a bit, and the intensity, so I believe it could achieve the flickering. No?
That's not a bad idea. The issue is that fire changes intensity and color randomly and independently, but maybe if you shook the light side to side or something like that it would effect the light enough to sell the effect
Get stock footage (or shoot it yourself) of a fire against a black background. Throw it onto the scene with a projector through diffusion and you're left with the color palette and relative movement of flames without having any sharp details from the projection wind up on your actors' faces.
Oh very cool! I hadn't thought of using a projector for lighting animations
The only thing I have that might work is a controllable LED parcan stage light. I think I would just fade the light in and out rapidly and then maybe use a piece of fabric to enhance the flickering effect of the fire.
i'm surprised you guys didn't try the wobbling reflector , before all these fancy RGB Lights that was a go to technique for dp's and gaffers to get realistic fire effects, it can also work as water reflection effects as well
That’s very interesting regarding the water reflection. Can you tell me more about CC temperature and the kind of surface the reflector should be or any more info about it ? Thanks 🙏
Circular led light with a CTO and behind an orange cloth. Dimmer switch and manual flickering
Put your phone on full brightness and play a video of fire flickering and to further sell the effect, put blue light filter on for more orange
Becareful with the RGB lights : even though the look the same color their spectral decomposition is really far from real sources so they change the colours of objects they bounce on...
For fire there are plenty of ways but I would put very close together two flickering sources (5600k + CTO) with slightly different temperatures to mimic the rich colours of fire (camp fire style)!
ruclips.net/video/5U-F7EhLp7g/видео.html more infos about the problem with RGB here
I would use a reflector and hot light a lowel Omni in conjunction with my led lights. This would help the actor get more of a natural vibe due to how hot they can be
Haha not a bad idea using actual heat. Just make sure to be safe!
I've also recreated the fire making scene from Cast Away. For this one I just made a fire. However I had to make the piece of wood smoke without fire. So I bought some plastic tube which I placed underneath the wood, I covered it with sand and I blew sigaret smoke through it. I don't smoke so this was really dedication for the shot 😅.
Here is some BTS footage: ruclips.net/video/tfDOOQ22-JU/видео.html
Fire🔥
Haha yes! So 🔥
If I had known you guys don't even use the 120d II I would've just saved up for the 300.
If you move your hands in front of the light you can make it look like flickering fire.
I would put some LED monitors with fire footage in case I haven't lights
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Once used a light reflecting on a crumbled foil paper the create the fire effects
Shoot some light into the gold side of a reflector and wiggle it around.
My way to make fire effect : I but fog machine in front of my warm led light , then fog changes light intensity randomly memking fire 😉
In closeups sense I just uses the vape in front of light source😅
These videos are so helpful! Also - I'm a film student, please pick me!
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DIY Way: just use real campfire