I have done glue chipping in the past and after reading some of the questions on this video. I would like to say a couple things. 1: etching cream doesn't work because it doesn't create any tooth to the glass it leaves the surface to smooth for the animal hide glue. and the glue needs something to grab on to, to work 2: yes it is regular hide glue. 3: when sandblasting the glass the different coarseness of blasting grit gives you different glue chip patterns. also different temperatures and the water to glue ratio give you different patterns you will need to experiment. but this is fun stuff. 4: my opinion: stay away from Hydrofluoric acid... bad stuff... 5: lastly Definitely keep this process away from animals they will try to eat the animal hide that has glass shards in it. have fun
Really interesting 👍... I try glue chipping since a few weeks but I Don t get any Reaktion on the surface and I can't figure out Why... Your advice make sense to me... Thx, so much. 👍
Yep same situation got the recommendation just now, but also it's 7 years old? Amazing to see the quality of the production and information is top notch even this far back.
I have to say that on a lot of channels people in the comments can be so rude. But here everyone is civil. Its a nice change. My best guess is the more intelligent a group is the easier they interact. Ty all.
I think that the glass has to be super clean when the glue is applied. I can imagine invisible "environmental" film of particles, smoke, oils or whatever, coating the glass, perhaps in spots. Your glass "looked" really clean, however. Nice demo, I really learned something I didn't know about that type glass treatment. Thanks for your time. Love your science stuff!
You always have something that interests me. Often it is something I was thinking about, or planning on doing. We like info on stuff that could help us. This actually might in my situation. Thanks so much, Ben.
I used to stencil pane glass and sand blast it when I was a kid for bird feeders and just for fun. Regular sand worked fine. If you got thick enough glass you can even undercut rose petals.
Many years ago I made large numbers of sheets of glue chipped glass for many large stained glass projects. I got excellent results with sandblasted glass which I had done by a local glass company. I am quite keen to do this again as I can't get glue chipped glass at the moment in South Africa. On my Facebook site under Stephanie Fassler stained glass there are many projects made out of the glass I made.
Yup! Don't substitute white craft glue for white school glue when ya print on glass! The craft glue had some latex and casein in it; printed a PLA part using the craft glue, tore nice divots out of the glass when it was cooling. Big flat part, chipped the glass in three spots. Never could get the shards off the part.
The fineness of armor etch comes from the sand they put into it, not the chemicals. If you dilute it like 5 to 1 water to armor etch, then you can add stuff to it to get different patterns like mica, rice, and it will not be frosty, it will be more nuggety.
your videos are always so awesome. i wonder what it'd look like if you took a glass soda bottle or something, put something abrasive inside and shook it to rough up the inside, then etched the inside with glue.
This is one of the few videos I understood and didn't at the end of it think "I wonder when he's going to finish his death ray and take over the world". Damn fine video too, very interesting.
How’s about some sandpaper? Think that might work to rough it up a bit? Maybe a more on the rough side Brillo pad? I don’t know but I’m super interested and I thank you cause your the only one helping someone to start that has no clue.. I appreciate you.. thank you!!
Regular sand would have also textured the glass very nicely. That's why you need the protective film on the inside of the glass in a sandblaster, even with the sand bouncing off whatever your blasting, the sand still has enough force to easily frost glass in a matter of seconds
I thought you wanted to glue chipped glass back together and would have loved to see your method ;) . I have a quite expensive bathroom mirror/light/cabinet combination where a corner of the mirror chipped of. Reparing it worked really well with one of these UV hardening glues (called "Bondic" here in Austria). As long as the glass chips are "complete" (especially make sure to keep the razor sharp edges of the chips), the repair is invisible (even with light internally reflecting in the glass).
Ha, this is an effect I try my best to avoid when 3D printing ABS onto heated glass that has been coated with a dilute solution of ABS in acetone. Usually it just comes loose when it cools but occasionally it pulls out chips like your glue does.
Armor Etch Cream. You can get it in any hardware/hobby store--even WalMart. It creates the HF in situ, where it immediately reacts with the glass. There's not a huge health hazard.
Beautiful work and I like to see the "journey" because that's how we learn. Help: I once saw someone put two pieces of flat glass together with what I thought was an acid but could it have been something like this. What appeared after 24 hrs was a snowflake between the layers. Never found it since.
Very interesting. I have been gearing up for a glass project (what this project will be, I have no clue yet). But, I have been collecting colored glass bottles, particularly flat sided ones; my favorite is Bombay Sapphire, beautiful blue (and not bad to drink). My thought is to cut/break flat panels from the bottles as the working stock and maybe try glue chip some. Cheers, Science-Mark
I realize I am commenting on an older video, but I just discovered your totally fascinating channel (it beats the s**t out of the Golf Channel!)... I'm thinking the acid etched sample didn't chip at all be cause if the principle of this process is chipping, then it must be initiated at the edges of micro-chips left from blasting or scribing...acid etching relatively evenly attacks the surface, leaving only a microscopically undulating surface, and not any effective stress-riser edges, so no chipping was able to occur...but a very interesting video and I got a lot out of it. Cheers
I wonder if heat treating the glass would have effect on the quality of chipped structure. Differently heat treated glass might have different internal structure resulting in different shapes and sizes of chips.
The acid etched glass has only a tiny layer altered and that is why it didn't work. It does not break the surface tension of the glass and why it is an approved method for etching glass such as in wind shields, auto glass and safety glass.
Firstly, great videos! Then regarding the lack of chipping on the etched glass. Can it be that the mechanical stress from sandblasting causes small cracks that actually starts the chipping and the glue simply finishes the job by lifting of the flakes. So with the acid there were no cracks to begin with.
When you put all the projects Ben has shown interest in, you do wonder what crazy futuristic invention he will eventually build. I wonder if he has some secret plan for that Delorian he has....
I saw a method of lightly scratching glass in an old book that described using lead shot with a little abrasive inside a cigar box. The glass to be etched was taped or fastened to the bottom of the box and the shot and abrasive was put on top, the lid closed and the box shaken. The abrasive imbeds itself on the lead shot's surface and scratches the glass when shaken. I've never tried it though it seems straightforward.
I read the same thing maybe 30 years ago, and it stuck in my brain, but of course I don't have the book. Just this month (May 2023) I tried it, using lead fishing sinkers and aluminum oxide sandblasting grit. Very little abrasion on the glass, pretty noisy, no chipping at all. Maybe with the lead shot and abrasive they called for it would work.
If you mix too much glue, is the unused glue recoverable and reusable? I enjoy your videos. My brother attends a small gathering of friends once per year to build and show case home-built contraptions (e.g. film and electronics / electrical and holograms and lasers, etc.) and some cooking. I could definitely see you as part of that group. Would be fun for all.
Should be in principle - what is gotten afterwards is pretty much the same as before. Dissolve in a bit more hot water, and then pour through a seive, to remove most of the glass. Dry it out to the right thickness, and you can go again. Do be careful - the glass flakes should be disposed of properly.
I think...based on the info in the vid that the rougher the surface, I.E the bigger the grains on the glass the glue has to bite onto will probably mean a better removal. Also it would probably work better if you scribe one direction then remove, and scribe 90 degrees the other way and do it again.
I remember when I was a kid that my Grandpa's old ford Model T had etched glass. It was very pretty with tiny patterns in it. I wonder if this was the technique used for that.
I was wondering if laser etching would work. I suspect that it wouldn't be as good as sand blasting. Would melting produce a surface on which the glue can grip? Is the sand blasting producing small fractures that then propagate to help the glass chip
***** If i can figure out what the process is called in swedish, i would want to give it a try! I have also posted some questions about the freeze drying in the comments of your astronaut icecream video on G+. I would have posted it in a more accessible and better way if i knew how to use google+.
+Thahamster It is possible to use sandpaper. There is diamond embedded sandpaper or sanding blocks/sponges specifically for sanding glass. Like regular sandpaper, it comes in different grades
Thanks... That was very interesting... Good presentation, especially for the novice who may want to try but doesn't have all the equipment... I personally love the way the B came out... Totally acceptable... And the scraped one worked well, too... too bad about the other one... Anyways, impressive... :-}
Never heard of that technique, thanks for showing! I didn´t quite get when the actual chipping occurs: Is this what the brush is for, or does it somehow "chip itself" due to tension within the glue?
Great video but the link to the examples is flawed: No images of sample work, just 62 adverts for “HugeDomain.com” (yes, I counted them) followed by just a handful of forum comments 🙁
it shouldn't have as the glue needs to be able to adhere to the glass. I assume his beaker is as close to perfect as mass produced glassware can get, which means to glue will not adhere and cause fractures
I would suspect he used one of the readily available consumer sources of HF, probably a purpose-made glass etching cream like 'Armour Etch Cream' which can be bought on Amazon or in local craft stores. Note that acetic acid can also dissolve bone too, but that doesn't even prevent some people from putting it on their french fries -- as vinegar. Chemistry is quirky, apply the 7 Ps and use a liberal helping of common sense.
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Just discovered this video 7 years after it was uploaded. Impressive. Even when he was inexperienced, he made good videos.
the algorithm doing its thing once again hehe
Hi algorithm squad 😅
was about to say "cant wait for the next video" lol.
Me too. Even tho I subbed ages ago.
Same exact thought here too
I have done glue chipping in the past and after reading some of the questions on this video. I would like to say a couple things. 1: etching cream doesn't work because it doesn't create any tooth to the glass it leaves the surface to smooth for the animal hide glue. and the glue needs something to grab on to, to work 2: yes it is regular hide glue. 3: when sandblasting the glass the different coarseness of blasting grit gives you different glue chip patterns. also different temperatures and the water to glue ratio give you different patterns you will need to experiment. but this is fun stuff. 4: my opinion: stay away from Hydrofluoric acid... bad stuff... 5: lastly Definitely keep this process away from animals they will try to eat the animal hide that has glass shards in it. have fun
Thanks
Thanks for info. Hope try some day.
Really interesting 👍...
I try glue chipping since a few weeks but I Don t get any Reaktion on the surface and I can't figure out Why...
Your advice make sense to me...
Thx, so much. 👍
Another video of yours where I learn a bunch. Thanks. And your B looks beautiful despite not all the glass coming off.
Looks even better imo
Like leaves
not sure why this was recommended seven years later, but I'm always happy to watch an applied science video and this one is really neat!
Yep same situation got the recommendation just now, but also it's 7 years old? Amazing to see the quality of the production and information is top notch even this far back.
i got videos made recently, then did a quick google search on the glue, and then this popped up.
Awesome demonstration. Thanks for the video Ben!
Miss you grant
wow.. this comment makes me sad
RIP
@@eugenefrancisco1029 he's dead he can't read ur comment...
@@eugenefrancisco1029 Oof. Right in the feels.
I have to say that on a lot of channels people in the comments can be so rude. But here everyone is civil. Its a nice change. My best guess is the more intelligent a group is the easier they interact. Ty all.
Maybe also because nothing he said is at all controversial and it's just something cool :)
Thanks! Yes, that is a good explanation. I got some aluminum oxide sandblast grit to do a proper job.
Thanks! And I couldn't agree more re Ben's videos.
Looks pretty good. Like the way the B looks!
FYI. Unfortunately, the page you linked to has lost all its pictures.
Yeah :( Probably too much traffic. Hopefully it's only on an hourly/daily limit, not permanent.
@@ufffd This video is 7 years old. They're dead links, the domain is gone.
I think that the glass has to be super clean when the glue is applied. I can imagine invisible "environmental" film of particles, smoke, oils or whatever, coating the glass, perhaps in spots. Your glass "looked" really clean, however. Nice demo, I really learned something I didn't know about that type glass treatment. Thanks for your time. Love your science stuff!
You always have something that interests me. Often it is something I was thinking about, or planning on doing. We like info on stuff that could help us. This actually might in my situation. Thanks so much, Ben.
Ben, you're the coolest dude on RUclips. Your hobbies are so cool, thanks for filming them :-)
Great video !!! I just heard about this process from a friend and I've been in the window tinting industry for 30 yrs LOL ,Thanks
2:46 "A specially formulated dry animal hide glue"
At least Old Bessie didn't die in vain!!
Did you ever revisit this? It would be cool to see if it could be done on a curved surface (such as a bottle, etc)
I used to stencil pane glass and sand blast it when I was a kid for bird feeders and just for fun. Regular sand worked fine. If you got thick enough glass you can even undercut rose petals.
That looks super cool!
B looked amazing.
Many years ago I made large numbers of sheets of glue chipped glass for many large stained glass projects. I got excellent results with sandblasted glass which I had done by a local glass company. I am quite keen to do this again as I can't get glue chipped glass at the moment in South Africa. On my Facebook site under Stephanie Fassler stained glass there are many projects made out of the glass I made.
you can learn more by failing then getting it right
thanks there were no fails as i see just pure learning
I've had 3D printer beds chip kind of like this when the part cools and shrinks.
Yup!
Don't substitute white craft glue for white school glue when ya print on glass!
The craft glue had some latex and casein in it; printed a PLA part using the craft glue, tore nice divots out of the glass when it was cooling.
Big flat part, chipped the glass in three spots. Never could get the shards off the part.
The fineness of armor etch comes from the sand they put into it, not the chemicals. If you dilute it like 5 to 1 water to armor etch, then you can add stuff to it to get different patterns like mica, rice, and it will not be frosty, it will be more nuggety.
this is one of the most interesting channels on youtube.
Nice to know about that. But sadly the examples you mentioned aren't online anymore.
I didn't even know this was a thing. Cool!
your videos are always so awesome.
i wonder what it'd look like if you took a glass soda bottle or something, put something abrasive inside and shook it to rough up the inside, then etched the inside with glue.
This is one of the few videos I understood and didn't at the end of it think "I wonder when he's going to finish his death ray and take over the world".
Damn fine video too, very interesting.
How’s about some sandpaper? Think that might work to rough it up a bit? Maybe a more on the rough side Brillo pad? I don’t know but I’m super interested and I thank you cause your the only one helping someone to start that has no clue.. I appreciate you.. thank you!!
Regular sand would have also textured the glass very nicely. That's why you need the protective film on the inside of the glass in a sandblaster, even with the sand bouncing off whatever your blasting, the sand still has enough force to easily frost glass in a matter of seconds
Hmm, it works for me. I removed some junk at the end of the URL. Give it a try again.
I've just tried it 03-14-2021. Only get the spinning circle for two minutes. Tried three times with the same results.
I thought you wanted to glue chipped glass back together and would have loved to see your method ;) .
I have a quite expensive bathroom mirror/light/cabinet combination where a corner of the mirror chipped of. Reparing it worked really well with one of these UV hardening glues (called "Bondic" here in Austria). As long as the glass chips are "complete" (especially make sure to keep the razor sharp edges of the chips), the repair is invisible (even with light internally reflecting in the glass).
Ha, this is an effect I try my best to avoid when 3D printing ABS onto heated glass that has been coated with a dilute solution of ABS in acetone. Usually it just comes loose when it cools but occasionally it pulls out chips like your glue does.
Armor Etch Cream. You can get it in any hardware/hobby store--even WalMart. It creates the HF in situ, where it immediately reacts with the glass. There's not a huge health hazard.
Beautiful work and I like to see the "journey" because that's how we learn. Help: I once saw someone put two pieces of flat glass together with what I thought was an acid but could it have been something like this. What appeared after 24 hrs was a snowflake between the layers. Never found it since.
Very interesting. I have been gearing up for a glass project (what this project will be, I have no clue yet). But, I have been collecting colored glass bottles, particularly flat sided ones; my favorite is Bombay Sapphire, beautiful blue (and not bad to drink). My thought is to cut/break flat panels from the bottles as the working stock and maybe try glue chip some. Cheers, Science-Mark
I realize I am commenting on an older video, but I just discovered your totally fascinating channel (it beats the s**t out of the Golf Channel!)... I'm thinking the acid etched sample didn't chip at all be cause if the principle of this process is chipping, then it must be initiated at the edges of micro-chips left from blasting or scribing...acid etching relatively evenly attacks the surface, leaving only a microscopically undulating surface, and not any effective stress-riser edges, so no chipping was able to occur...but a very interesting video and I got a lot out of it. Cheers
Would like to see the silvered glass if u do it and feel like making a vid. Keep it up your always doing interesting stuff
If you put the glass out in the sun you don't need to sand blast it. It comes off in a nice feather pattern.
haha, who tought you make this recomended again.
@@rogueanuerz It works. If you don't get the glue hot enough or dry enough it doesn't flake off.
I wonder if heat treating the glass would have effect on the quality of chipped structure. Differently heat treated glass might have different internal structure resulting in different shapes and sizes of chips.
Hey, Rimstar! I loved your wimhurst video.
@Ben, your videos are always so well made.
The acid etched glass has only a tiny layer altered and that is why it didn't work. It does not break the surface tension of the glass and why it is an approved method for etching glass such as in wind shields, auto glass and safety glass.
Good job, I like how it turned out.
Firstly, great videos!
Then regarding the lack of chipping on the etched glass. Can it be that the mechanical stress from sandblasting causes small cracks that actually starts the chipping and the glue simply finishes the job by lifting of the flakes. So with the acid there were no cracks to begin with.
When you put all the projects Ben has shown interest in, you do wonder what crazy futuristic invention he will eventually build. I wonder if he has some secret plan for that Delorian he has....
As of this comment, the images are dead on your link.
I read it a couple of years ago, real shame you can't see the work any more.
Maybe the acid etched glass did work because the acid might not generate any fracture points or cracks in the glass for the glue to leave up.
I saw a method of lightly scratching glass in an old book that described using lead shot with a little abrasive inside a cigar box. The glass to be etched was taped or fastened to the bottom of the box and the shot and abrasive was put on top, the lid closed and the box shaken. The abrasive imbeds itself on the lead shot's surface and scratches the glass when shaken. I've never tried it though it seems straightforward.
I read the same thing maybe 30 years ago, and it stuck in my brain, but of course I don't have the book. Just this month (May 2023) I tried it, using lead fishing sinkers and aluminum oxide sandblasting grit. Very little abrasion on the glass, pretty noisy, no chipping at all. Maybe with the lead shot and abrasive they called for it would work.
If you mix too much glue, is the unused glue recoverable and reusable?
I enjoy your videos.
My brother attends a small gathering of friends once per year to build and show case home-built contraptions (e.g. film and electronics / electrical and holograms and lasers, etc.) and some cooking. I could definitely see you as part of that group. Would be fun for all.
Should be in principle - what is gotten afterwards is pretty much the same as before. Dissolve in a bit more hot water, and then pour through a seive, to remove most of the glass. Dry it out to the right thickness, and you can go again.
Do be careful - the glass flakes should be disposed of properly.
Unfortunately it seems the forum you linked has had all its images replaced with annoying ads...
I think...based on the info in the vid that the rougher the surface, I.E the bigger the grains on the glass the glue has to bite onto will probably mean a better removal. Also it would probably work better if you scribe one direction then remove, and scribe 90 degrees the other way and do it again.
I remember when I was a kid that my Grandpa's old ford Model T had etched glass. It was very pretty with tiny patterns in it. I wonder if this was the technique used for that.
I was wondering if laser etching would work. I suspect that it wouldn't be as good as sand blasting. Would melting produce a surface on which the glue can grip? Is the sand blasting producing small fractures that then propagate to help the glass chip
would it be possible to etch the surface with sandpaper?
***** If i can figure out what the process is called in swedish, i would want to give it a try! I have also posted some questions about the freeze drying in the comments of your astronaut icecream video on G+. I would have posted it in a more accessible and better way if i knew how to use google+.
+Thahamster It is possible to use sandpaper. There is diamond embedded sandpaper or sanding blocks/sponges specifically for sanding glass. Like regular sandpaper, it comes in different grades
Interesting good to know and will give it a try
I'd love to see more on this.
Do you think this could be done with phosphoric glass?
Thanks... That was very interesting... Good presentation, especially for the novice who may want to try but doesn't have all the equipment... I personally love the way the B came out... Totally acceptable... And the scraped one worked well, too... too bad about the other one... Anyways, impressive... :-}
that was cool thankyou for sharing
Hi Ben, i have seen glass where drawings where made with wax , and then was etched with HFl acid.
Regards Johan
How did you sand the B without messing up the tape?
guide me what glue to make and where to buy for pitted glasses that you made in the video. Thanks
Never heard of that technique, thanks for showing!
I didn´t quite get when the actual chipping occurs: Is this what the brush is for, or does it somehow "chip itself" due to tension within the glue?
omg you've got to be kidding man this looks so nice really. what glue are you using and whats the best glue for this job?
It's chipping glue, or hide glue.
Great video but the link to the examples is flawed: No images of sample work, just 62 adverts for “HugeDomain.com” (yes, I counted them) followed by just a handful of forum comments 🙁
Being subscribed to your channel is always interesting! Keep up the great work. :P
Could you re-mask and do it again? Would that change the appearance?
You used hydrofluoric acid? You're a crazy man! How'd you find it in the paste form?
damn i would've guessed this was 7years old video, i was only confused why all the pictures were deleted :D now I know
so can i use very thick gelatin as chipping glue? it might be cheaper , and probably easier to get hold of.
are there any videos with other attempts?
Got to try this thanks for sharing
Would sandpaper also work?
it shouldn't have as the glue needs to be able to adhere to the glass. I assume his beaker is as close to perfect as mass produced glassware can get, which means to glue will not adhere and cause fractures
Informative, as ever. Thanks for the video!
isn't HF just more for making a frosted or etched glass look?
can this method be used to chip acrylic like plexiglass? or does it rely on how brittle glass is?
Nice video, that looks really beautiful :)
Seems like too many of your viewers flooded into that link and the image host locked access to them.
I thought I would try a dremel with a sanding drum, maybe diamond bit, or both seeing as though I dont have a sand blaster
Does the glass need to be a certain thickness??
I bet that the acid etched one didn't work because the glass was etched too evenly - the glue could hold it, but it didn't have modes of failure.
I'm assuming that he washed out the beaker long before it had time to dry and start chipping.
would be interesting to see this under polarized light
Did it ruin the beaker you mixed the glue in?
I assume that you would not want to use tempered glass for this?
What I've read (looked into the technique) the contracts, even to the point that it curls off the glass by itself, and rips tha glass with it.
I would suspect he used one of the readily available consumer sources of HF, probably a purpose-made glass etching cream like 'Armour Etch Cream' which can be bought on Amazon or in local craft stores.
Note that acetic acid can also dissolve bone too, but that doesn't even prevent some people from putting it on their french fries -- as vinegar. Chemistry is quirky, apply the 7 Ps and use a liberal helping of common sense.
What kind of glue is that? Looks like hide glue.
Yep it’s hide glue. Awesome
Does pulling chips of glass rip any electrons and produce X-ray?
Wow you must have nerves of steel to be playing with hydroflouric acid wearing nothing but a pair of nitrile gloves and a t shirt!
How did you get hold of the HF?
how much alumina would you need? I happen to have some.
Can’t figure out how the glue chips the glass
Great video agian Ben ;) the link does not work btw ;P
Well, Did it ?
pretty cool...
all imaged provided are gone :/
Glass: [exists]
Ben: 🅱️