John Schneider Is Under Fire AGAIN...
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- The Toronto Blue Jays manager John Schneider is once again in the news for all the wrong reasons. The Blue Jays lineup card has always been under scrutiny since Schneider took over and this weekend was no different. Many Toronto Blue Jays fans are worried about how reliant John Schneider is on the analytics department and his inability to deviate from a plan. In this one we take a look at the recent move he made with the Toronto Blue Jays lineup to put him in the cross hairs of the media. Comment your thoughts down below about this video and the recent Toronto Blue Jays news.
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John Schneider is the kind of manager that would sit a player like Ohtani in Game 7 of the World Series because it's a scheduled rest day.
If they were playing in the National ballpark, that wouldn't be a question, would it?
John is just a puppet for the analytics department
Would you prefer a manager who ignores their analytics department?
@@paulg6274 his point was you cant blame the guy thats having the strings pulled.
@@MrRicobadass I wouldn't blame the string pullers either. I blame their first 3 hitters who have a .650 OPS atm
Ross Shatkins is the one making these decisions. Jays lost their chance at resigning Whit Merrifield because of what Whit described as a meddlesome front office.
@@nickhughes8179 I don't they wanted to resign Whit. They had an overload of utility inf as is
Here's the thing, Schneider is a well-spoken guy, deals with the media well and clearly is an intelligent person. This inability to deviate from a plan when required is a MAJOR flaw. His track record on this issue just keeps getting worse and at some point will be his downfall and reason for firing. The question is not if, but when will he get fired.
problem is he isnt the issue, hes being told too much from the analytics department. the gausman issue isnt a schneider issue, the berrios issue isnt a schneider issue. bo and springer colliding was not a schneider issue. most of what hes getting blamed for isn't actually on him. he takes it well, hes going to get fired for the other 2 being completely incompetent. they couldnt hack it in cleveland so why would they be able to handle toronto?
As long as he is their "YES MEN" he won't be going anywhere
John Schneider is not a baseball coach. He doesn't make baseball decisions. He has no guts . He lets analytics dominate him. This isn't coaching. You have to know your players and make decisions based your knowledge of their performance. Schneider coaches like he is trying to save his job everyday. That is sad.
💯💯💯
He’s not his own man, he’s overly responsive to consensus but in the new corporate world of sports he fits right in
There's no making decisions with his heart, gut and eyes. Especially in the past 2 wild cards series! Gutless and heartless.
Analytics is a tool to use, along with knowing your players and having a feel for who is currently hot, in order to make decisions. When a manager's decisions are made solely by analytics, the manager becomes the tool.
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The most obvious correction that should have happened by now is putting Bichette back in 2nd spot and Vlad in 3rd. Both of them have been struggling pretty badly. Vlad always said he preffered hitting 3rd anyway and his numbers are better there also. But I do think this is more Aktins calling the shots anyway and less on the manager.
Simply flipping the 2 is not gonna change much.
If batting second vs third is causing trouble, they don't belong in the big leagues.
Schneider is a brutal coach. Atkins has also been brutal for a few years now.
They're both just yes men to Shapiro. AA knew to get the hell out of there.
People complain that the Jays rely too heavily on analytics. That is not the problem. The problem is that the Jays Analytics department is 100% incompetent. They are trying to play Rays ball with an Analytics department that should be working in Low A.
Why do you think theyre incompetent?
@@paulg6274 Results
@@Dulcimerist theyve had one of the best records in baseball the last 3 yrs. Top 5 iirc
@@paulg6274 7th best record. They have the most hits, second most doubles, and fourth most GIDP during that timespan.
More than just analytics would factor into team performance, so I suppose there's no way of telling whether or not the analytics department is bad. Following analytics blindly without taking into account the full context of current game situations would make the analytics department look bad, when that's actually on the manager.
@@Dulcimerist Ok 7th best. That probably aligns with the talent they had. Ya I don't think the manager should ignore variables he knows are in play that fall beyond the scope of analytics. Like if he knows a guy is nursing a hammy or his gf just broke up with him obv he shouldn't ignore that. But if you're going to go against the analytics/probabilities you should be able to explain your reasoning--something beyond "it was gut instinct" or "he's hot right now"
Tell this to the analytics team...I'm pretty sure the Jays have a whole command centre on this...makes no sense... Varsho by the way should be hitting 9th... he is their best baserunner... KK is struggling
KK struggling is a reason he should be playing you can't improve while sitting on the bench
KK was the best 9 hole hitter in the league last year, why he was batting 7th at all this year was ridiculous. he belongs in the 9 hole and go back to last years mentality of just turn the line up over
Hes not the one running the team its the front office
Jays went 1-10 yesterday with runners on base. Offense is a joke.
womp womp we still won
Relax cupcake it’s early
@@vstitanic8218 They many have won that game, but in they will lose 95% of the games if they keep that up.
@@raymondclouston6255 okay princess
@@vstitanic8218 0-8 with runners in scoring position and the Jays blow the game. 😂
The problem goes much higher. Fire Ross Atkins and Mark Shapiro. They failed to skin Tampa Bay in Cleveland and they’ve failed again here. 7 years of futility. They sent Alex Anthopolous packing for these two bargain basement analytics nerd knockoffs??
Giving people rest days in late April is crazy
Once again too many LOB again last night. Gil handing out walk after walk, and the best they could manage was a pathetic 3 runs, helped by a couple base running blunders. (something else we're seeing way too much of)
Yah fully agree, happy with the win of course, but offensively speaking still have a lot to work on
And for those of you who say " a win is a win", well the reality is you cannot keep winning conistently in the way the Jays are winning. In other words, little to no offense when the other team basically gives you the win through walks and errors. Both Jays' wins over the Yanks so far as like this. If you think this kind of thing will continue, you need to check your head.
Don't forget that Varsho had about 11 bunts last year vs lefties. Those average numbers were a little misleading.
Also, when Varsho played in Arizona, He was 3/7 vs Freeland with a HR
1:01 happened with Babe Schneider in the series against Houston too. So much for a winning culture.
And by the way, despite KK's elite defensive skills, it is time to sit this guy and only bring him in for defense if we are up in the late innings. The outfield should be Babe, Varsho and Springer until a point in time where the Babe cannot hit. Clement also needs more playing time too, but IKF has been a pleasant surprise offensively and Biggio is playing well.
biggio has always been a stud. his career numbers at the plate for avg arent that great but he works walks, makes pitchers throw tons of pitches and defensively one of the best guys on the field when hes on it. if he were to ever get solid playing time in 1 position hes a gold glover candidate
analytics is a great tool but only if you combine it witch a manager who posses good baseball sense and gut. Joe Maddon is out there and available - perfect guy for the Jays
Your "gut" is just your subconscious picking up on subtle information. So better than your gut is to understand and logically explain decisions based on these cues. The issue with the public's perception of analytics in baseball is ppl don't realize how much variance (randomness) exists. Ppl expect direct, immediate action to result correlation but it simply doesn't work like that.
This is how bad the top of the lineup has been this season - fans are now begging to keep VARSHO in the lineup to keep the offence afloat 🤦♂️
I wish Schneider listened to Buck Martinez instead of the analytics dept. Constantly watching the game on TV listening to Buck say what he would do and why, then the opposite happens and there's a silence cause they should've done what Buck said. I'm always cursing at Schneider after haha. Schneider does seem to be starting a runner a bit more lately, and letting the starters go longer. Maybe he is slowly learning?? In the most painful way for all of us fans...
Varsho and Keirmeier NEED to sit for a game or two! Neither of them can hit a high fastball in the zone!
This front office has now hired 2 shitty managers montoyo and Schneider
I think if he ignored the analytics department he would be a good manager.
To me Schneider is Montoyo 2.0. I'm sure he is an amazing person off the field but as a manager for an MLB team, I question his ability to do his job
Not only that!
He has done that several times this season!! If you hit a homer, next day you’ll be seating at the bench!!
He’s also a really bad manager at playoffs!! Doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing!!!
FIRE SCHNEIDER!
Maybe one day the stats will show that playing games by stats is not a good strategy.
Nothing will change to ross atkins gets fired
J. Schneider came from the bench, he takes orders, that's it. He's not a MLB manager, never was. Has an earpiece or something where all the commands come from. A legit MLB manager wouldn't allow an organization make the managers decisions. Money Ball movie comes to mind. It's the managers call, not a bunch of computer geeks playing with %'s and #'s..."
Not like he had to go through interviews for the job against seasoned veteran caliber MLB managers. Do what we say, we will make you look like a MLB manager...not a good manager, just a good listener..."
You are full of s--t.
Schneider was on Blair and Barker some days back and pretty much said absolutely nothing. He should have been a politician. Lots of words but not alot of substance.
Schneider is a clown. How can any player ever get consistent and on a hot streak? Fire him now before it’s too late. The Jays aren’t going anywhere with him as a manager.
When the bossws say jump he jumps because this is his only chance at the show.
How do you know if Varsho was unwell that day.... People should not speak unless they have all the facts.
It doesn't matter who Schneider runs out when only 4 guys on your roster give you average production and 3 out those 4 are platoon players. I'm getting close to saying dfa KK and call-up Horwitz and have him platoon with Schneider in left.
Your spot on with the coach!!
I don't have a problem with Schneider's decisions on the lineup, he needs to work in Clement and D. Schneider into the lineup so they don't go cold, my problem is why is Vladdy hitting so high in the lineup and consistently hurting this team by not hitting in crucial men on base scenarios. Kirk is actually starting to come around but Vladdy is still wailing at pitches out of the strikezone. Move other guys up and Vladdy down. They did to Bo last year when he went into a mini slump. Vladdy has been in a massive slump for the last year with the odd rocket. He has the power but not the eye.
Because they have no one better than Vladdy. If you start making massive lineup moves based on 30 AB stretches you'll end up costing yourself offense
I suspect you're missing the point here. It isn't that JS is a bad manager nor that he would manage badly if given the opportunity to make his own decisions -- an opportunity he surely doesn't get. Rather, as a young and completely inexperienced manager he was put (and remains) in place precisely because he lacks the authority or gravitas to push back against upper management micro-managing the team. It's his very pliability that is the source of his job credentials. I suspect, someday, if he can gain more experience and thus more authority, he may be quite a good manager. I doubt though it will be with the Jays.
What's Cito doing these days??
I wonder if Colonel Schneider being at the helm may have been a factor in Ohtani’s decision making process 🤷🏻♂️
likely more like captain atkins
@@MrRicobadass yup, or both. Yikes.
With repsect, you don't know how to use data. Vs RHP Varsho is career .733 OPS, bs LHP .641. You always side with the larger sample size. Plus reverse split LHH are essentially non existent.
This is the second time he has done this. First it was benching davis after he won the game and now it’s this time. He’s completely clueless
Schneider refuses to use his eyes. There are times you need to abandon the plan and go with what you see in front of you
For me it's all about results, if we are winning then I'm fine with him
Schneider is just running out the orders of the front office. Front office seen we couldn't hit with runners on last year and decided to basically run out the same team on the feild with the same hitting coach.
Schneider is the front man for the GM and President...he simply carries out what they want ..blame Shapiro and the GM Atkins....wake up
The analytics nerds are going to do what they do. Alot of garbage in and garbage out data I'm sure. At the end of the day you need a human to assess the circumstances and make appropriate decisions. That's what's lacking.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
hey man let you on a little secret schhneider is only part of the coaching doing the decisions mattingly is the other coach just watch when a decision is coming they always talk keep your eye open ps you wont read this anyway
I can think of 10 million reasons
Analytics is an increasingly important part of the game, and winning, when done right.
But the analytics were in FAVOUR of putting Varsho into the lineup over KK. So what Schnide did was actually worse that originally thought! He went AGAINST the analytics. He went AGAINST the building momentum that Varsho had. And went with his terrible gut on this. Which failed him miserably.
Tick tock on the clock for this manager. Tick tock.
If they are not reasonably above .500 by the 50 mark point (and I mean 8-10+), he should be replaced. And I'm not sure Mattingly is the right guy going forward, either.
Hes not a manager hes a guesser
I think we need to back off Schneider a bit. Seems like fans are always bashing him. We just beat the Yanks again. Relax a bit. We'll be fine!
Fire John Schneider
Varsho was held out to KEEP his momentum…
Sure princess
Schneider has made terrible decisions since his first season coaching. Why are we suprised at this point?
So bad that he only has highest winning % in franchise history
@@paulg6274 Citi Gaston had 894 wins and 2 world series championships. Schneider couldn’t carry his jock strap. Get a clue Paul!
@@Justsumguy461 so where does the best winning % land Schneider in the ranks then?
@@paulg6274 so he has a winning % of 0 in the playoffs and you think he ranks at all😂😂😂This must be Schneider burner account 😂
@@Justsumguy461 I think the sample of 450 reg season games is more important than a sample of 5 playoff games. He certainly wouldn't be last, thats for sure. Especially since most Jays managers never even made the playoffs.
The Jays simply haven't learned from past mistakes. This is why they won't be contenders.
Time to promote Don Mattingly, John is losing the confidence of the fans, but worse, the players!!!
Promote Mattingly ? Look at his results with the Jays batters. He gives off a bad vibe as well.
mattingly has had 0 success as a manger. anyone that thinks he needs a promotion is a half whit moron. all of maddingly's teams did significantly better in the 2 years following his departure. mattingly is not a coach or a manager. hes useless since retiring from playing. had a small decent stint as a hitting coach then fell off the map.
Old head Mattingly is why Vlad has struggled ever since the start of 2023. Mattingly thinks everyone should just hit like he did. He also screwed up Kirk at the plate by getting him to chase low, when Kirk used to take low junk for balls and wait for the high fastball to pummel.
He just wants Schneider’s job.
Hot take but I think we should also bench Vladdy for a few days and give Votto a shot. Vladdy hitting .188 right now is not helping the offense at the moment
😅😅😅 that's not a hot take thats utter insanity. "Let's bench our best hitter for a AAA guy, that'll help the offense!"
Joey Votto doing some hitting work but no immediate plan for rehab game action. So you're looking at about two months from now to try benching Vlad for a few days?
@@Dulcimerist lol, the avg fan is dellusional
He should’ve gotten fired last year playoffs when he pulled Berrios
Bring AA back.
Analytics suck. ANALYSIS PARALYSIS !
rename them the toronto analytics. mahoah off to the brewers.
Not sure if you're aware but every MLB team uses essentially the same analytics methods
Or stick to your plan
John Schneider is torture to me.
because you're clueless. you think any of the big decisions hes being blamed for were his call? if you do than the only torture is to yourself for being a dumbass
John Schneider logic: because u didn’t do well in the past means u also cant do well in the future and is destined to suck forever
The lefty, righty thing is near irrelevant in today's game.
we won 3 in a row?
They didn’t win them. They were basically given them when the other team walks as many players as they did and they don’t score any runs themselves. It’s not hard to win the game.
@@1dilligaf they beat the Yankees last night. I mean a win is a win. I mean if the win 7 in row and only score 3 to 2 runs per game with 4 hits in each game, they really way to be upset is if someone finds a way. Also, the guy he benched varsho for was Davis Schneider a fan favourite who a lot fans feel should be in the line up everyday.
@@alexjessop5330 why can’t you people face the fact you’re too superstars can’t do the job the team is a subpar 500 team and you’re not even gonna make the playoffs this year
@@1dilligaf you don’t know that anymore than I do. Competition is harder this year. This team has a fighting chance. It’s possible they miss the playoffs because it’s a hard division but so far they a keeping track, if they win this series against the Yankees it was a successful home stand. There might be a time during the season to be angry, this isn’t the time yet. Enjoy being miserable during victories.
@@alexjessop5330 doesn’t make me miserable. I’ve been watching the Jays since their first game in77 and not once has anything they’ve ever done affected my life. I just called it like I see it and would I love to see them win yes but I’m not gonna pat them on the back when they’re not doing the job they’re paid to do. I will leave that to you and all the other.Simps
John is wack man. Dude doesn’t have the balls to make his own calls
Make a video of you kissing your muscles while saying I’m the best and get it over with.
Well this is an unusual comment
@@BlueJaysToday I really don’t think it is. I think it’s a reasonable request.
When the Bluejays lose we all win hahahahahahaha....go Tigers.
anyone who follows the Jays closely knows that Varsho hits better against lefties. the explanation form why he was not in the game is simple. they made a mistake. they are not that good at their jobs, and they do not have a feel for the game. this is why then underperform.
Anyone who can read knows Varsho has better career numbers vs RHP than LHP, as does nearly 100% of LHH in the history of baseball
@@paulg6274 It's odd that his splits switched after being traded to the Blue Jays. Someone adjusted his swing or plate approach to cause that. He used to mash right handed pitching.
@@Dulcimerist its not that odd, its just a small sample size. He prob had what, 100 ABs vs LHP last yr? This is miniscule. Basically reverse split LHH don't exist. There are some contact hitters who have equal splits, but actually being *better* vs LHP is so rare it's fair to say it's not a thing
@@paulg6274 I suppose several of the lefties he was allowed to hit against may have had reverse splits against lefty hitters, depending on how their pitches run.
I'm still not a fan of the Blue Jays hitting coaches, and suspect they messed up his swing or plate approach.
@@Dulcimerist they could have, I cant eliminate that possibility but most likely it's just variance
There’s no reason to by upset right now. Also, on Sundays game he benched varsho for Davis Schneider a guy people think should be an everyday starter. I would I understand this videos about John Schneider if we were on a 7 game losing streak. But we are on a 3 game win streak, and one of those wins we’re against those damn Yankees.
Also, every year under Schneider we’ve made the playoffs.
You must be wearing blinders yes they on a three game winning streak not any doing of their own. The other teams basically lost the game. The Jays didn’t win them. They have no offense, but when the other team was nice enough to walk you seven times you should be able to win, and as far as the playoffs, he took over a team that wasalready going to make the playoffs
@@1dilligaf a win is a win. Good teams take advantage of opportunities like that. Also, Berrios is turning into a true ace, Kikuchi looks good, Bassit has found the light. I mean enjoying winning when it happens, not this “was a bad game they we won 1-0 on a bases loaded walk”. Take the wins don’t be upset on how they won, it’s sounds spoiled.
@@alexjessop5330 when you’re paying a guy $20 million a year I don’t think it’s spoiled to think that he should do his job. They had to move him up ahead of Bo or he would’ve led the league in hitting into double plays but then Bo is not doing his job getting on base anyways, so it really doesn’t matter.
@@1dilligaf you aware we are not done the month of April yet. There’s so much time in the season. After the Houston series bats woke up. Guys can start off cold then light it up, the opposite has happened too when guy starts off hot to only burn out. If they are in last place on July 1st you allowed to rant away on how this team has disappointed you.
And every playoff the team has been swept. Bad decisions are bad decisions. The team would be at the bottom of the league if it wadnt for the pitching staff right now. Why would you run back the same hutting coaching staff that coudnt fix the problem last season? Is it a surprise they still cant cash in runners in scoring position? Get rid of the hitting ciach and rhe head of the analytics department. The only reason Atkins is still useful us his scouting of pitchers.
Worst Blue Jays manager in decades
They need to get rid of Schneider trade Valdi and Beau
Valdy is a folk singer and Beau Bridges is an actor.
Worst manager in the history of the franchise
BS
yeah, did you forget our Vietnam war vet.
@@scottcarter6623 he coached for one season. Produced the team's first winning record since the WS and was let go. John has been a manager longer and has made more questionable decisions that simply overshadow the inept management from Tim. John's sample size of fuck ups has officially surpassed Tim. By far.
@@landolondon3978Back to baseball school for you.
@@johnsummerhill8323 oh please. Tell me how I'm wrong or are you just a John Schneider sympathizer who hasn't played a day of baseball in his life?
FIRE SCHNEIDER
He threw his pitcher under the bus for the grooming industry so the faster he's gone, the better.
Managers play way too much into the whole lefty vs lefty, righty vs righty thing.
Schneider needs to go, he sucks. They need to kick Kirk to the curb as well. Kirk does NOT know how to call a game and make in-game adjustments.
As long as these 2 are with the team, Toronto is never going to win anything.
BS
You haven't looked at hitters career numbers vs splits very much have you? LHH particularly have *dramatic* split differencials. About .150 OPS points is avg
If they win who cares
He is not running the team he has no IQ to run a team he is a puppet