iam a big fan of the Ioniq 5 iknow a guy in my familly who owns it ans he loves mercedes and i just think the Ioniq 5 also feels luxuries like a mercedes
Even if you don't have to charge at that speed or worried about the battery's longevity, just knowing that you can charge and the car is capable of charging at speed is gonna help relieve so many people's anxiety.
In my experience of only living with an EV for a few months, I had experienced this. At first, I was always extremely concerned about range and needing to charge, but after the first 2 weeks I slowly began to realize that this really is not an issue. Mostly due to the fact that I finally understood that the fast chargers are only really meant to be used if absolutely necessary or when on road trips. I never thought about owning an EV as having a "fuel station" at my home, and starting every day with a "full tank". I finally understood why there are so many gas stations everywhere, and it is mostly because you often need to fuel up when you are out and about driving, so it makes sense to have a station at every corner for when the need strikes. But having the ability to start every day with a full charge, basically removes the need to have a charge station at every corner because the chances of you needing it are very low.
@@ProXcaliber this is really important, but also ignores the fact that only a small number of people (those living in their own homes with dedicated parking and power in the parking space) will be able to charge at home. The vast majority of people won't be able to do so, so this kind of 10-minute charging is even more useful in getting EVs more widely adopted
Great to see this kind of speed in battery charging. I also hope to see the same across all new future models so we can enjoy that, not just the top expensive models.
This is a fantastic accomplishment, those are crazy fast speeds moving a lot of power and storing it efficiently in a short amount of time. Making the most out of today's technology with thoughtful engineering 👍The Polestar one is still one of the most memorable and special EV's i've seen.
My P2 has been very solid after 2.5 yrs. Just got a cadillac lyriq and really can’t beat my Polestar in terms of performance, quality and workmanship. I am absolutely getting the P4.
How big is the battery? google says 103kwh, so charging almost 70kwh in 10min. So 20 of these chargers, you consume 6.6MW.. we need more nuclear plants.
@@AndrewTSq definitely could use more nuke plants, but with V2G being implemented its not as big a deal going forward, most EVs sit plugged into the grid and can return power if the grid needs it.
This is great - I hope it gets rolled out to all Polestar cars, without too much additional expense. I'm fine with Polestar going for the luxury segment. But I still think there is a place for a workhorse EV from Polestar like the Polestar 2 that competes with similar EVs on price, and sells much higher volumes than PS's other models, but can still use this technology. A kind of Toyota Camry of EVs.
To reach these peak power levels, the battery conditions will need to be met. This also ensures that the power does not damage the battery's durability over time.
My personal average stop time in a gas car during a long road trip (ignoring long meals) was about 13 minutes after every 300 average miles per stop. My gas car can go 430 miles but I need the break. This charging improvement assuming minimally increased wear is amazing. Combustion cars had decades of R&D. EVs are still relatively new in R&D, so it will only get better if needed.
@@StefanoFinocchiaro Most of them could probably already do 380kW without issues but it would be a little out of spec. I often get 190kW with my 400V car.
This test proves XFC technology works with today’s DC charging infrastructure, which continues to feature more high-power DC chargers of 350 kW or higher.
They are solving charging speed the best way possible, with extending the charging curve. All other Chinese EVs are trying to pump up kW speeds, but you won't even be able to find chargers powerful enough for that kind of charging. But 350kW chargers are becoming a norm now, so this seems like a much better and more useful tech to me.
New anode and cathode would probably means reduced internal resistance, which decrease heat, reduced formation of dendrites, which reduce capacity over time and/or improved resistance to expansion and contraction of the cathode. The nice thing about lithium ion batteries is that they are in production for only 30 years and they can still massively improved.
The PoleS 4 and PoleS 5 are finally two great looking cars. Glad to see you moving in this direction and then also improving experience like demoed here. Tesla Fanboy giving props.
What kind of power needs to be supplied to a station with 10 charging points ? What kind of cables are needed? I assume we will need many more than gas stations since range is lower after a single visit.
Amazing improvement and I'm excited for the future of EV charging. However, let's address the elephant in the room - how is the electrical grid going to support this? How are we going to provide the raw electricity necessary to charge multiple cars simultaneously at charging stations? Particularly more remote ones outside of major cities. The team mentions a continuous charging rate of 334kw - that's a LOT of power! I'm sure right now it's likely quite possible because EVs still only make up a small percentage of cars on the road. But what about in 5-10 years when there are significantly more EVs on the road all requiring fast charge speeds at charge stations? The electrical grid in many countries (including mine) is going to need a complete overhaul to allow for this. The charging tech may develop exponentially, but the electrical grid that forms it's backbone is another beast altogether.
Charging a battery fast has never been an issue. The problem comes with the degradation of the battery in doing so. In the most least technical terms you burn the battery out causing lesser and lesser means for it to hold a charge.
Awesome progress yeah, but how would this tech work in real-life scenarios where multiple cars are charging at the same time. What about the infrastucture needed to make it happen in real life and in already existing charging stations across europe?
In order to reach these peak power levels, the battery conditions will need to be met. This also secures that the power does not damage the battery durability over time.
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The stock price is now $1.2. He said in the clip that it was difficult to find a cable that could bear this load. Can it be charged with regular chargers? Or is it more money to burn?
Yeah, I really think to increase the share price they need to look at volume and make at least one of their models affordable (eg the P2). This is the way EVs are going, and the luxury market is a relatively small segment.
@@yggdrasil9039 they have no interest in volume sales. They've already stated that their yearly target is 150k cars a year. There's no interest in chasing volume sales like tesla for ex.
@@yggdrasil9039 so what you're saying is, sales of the outgoing polestar 2 have tanked coincidentally after the polestar 4 went on sale? you don't say?
@@suvann540i That implication would be true if thousands of P4s were being sold. Apart from an initial rush of pre-orders, that's not the case. Polestar have effectively priced themselves out of 99% of the market.
In order to reach these peak power levels, the battery conditions will need to be met. This also secures that the power does not damage the battery durability over time.
We're always looking at ways to bring more value to the driving experience of our current drivers, and in the past we have released software updates that improve range and efficiency free of charge. More hardware related upgrades we don't have any details to share on currently.
@@suvann540i Mhm... car company that knows that they have to provide 8 years of warranty on their EV batteries hasn't considered how to get the batteries through those 8 years 99,9% safe. Very reasonable thoughts.
We continue to explore ways to improve batteries and performance. This involves ensuring that the battery conditions are met so the durability isn't damaged over time.
2:00 - Anxiety hasn't gone away yet because a charger that can pull off what you achieved in the lab doesn't yet exist in the wild. It is awesome to see these improvements in charging technology however the charging infrastructure for non-Tesla vehicles is still in a pretty sad state in the United States. I realize that most people who drive electric today probably charge at home. I also realize that most of the trips people take in their car are not all that far from home. But, widespread adoption of EVs means that people have to feel comfortable taking their car on a road trip too. When all EVs are able to charge to 80% in 10-minutes adoption will go up. The charging network seems to be a bigger barrier than the vehicles now. There are tons of owner reports of charging stations that are out of order, offline or broken. Many reports also exist where the charger just won't negotiate with the car. So a charge that should take 20 minutes takes 2 hours. Chargers that don't support the voltage or amperage to support this kind of fast charging. And, there are plenty of issues reported with processing payments at chargers that are not Tesla. I really like what Polestar is doing. I like Polestar vehicles more than I like Tesla. I appreciate the Polestar designs and think of them like the anti-Tesla but, I can't see myself buying a Polestar right now. Polestar is a wait and see for me.
It's great that this battery can be charged so quickly, but how much damage is done to it in the process? In other words, how sustainable is this sort of quick charging in the long run? Generally speaking, I'm disappointed that so many consumer products nowadays -- including cars -- are not designed to live longer lives.
Anyone who hasn't owned an EV can't talk about charging being an inconvenience. It's amazing. I have not entered a petrol station in over a year. And I charge every 3-4 nights, whilst I"m in bed.
Very cool. My Tesla Model 3 AWD from 2021 charges already so fast that I typically choose the older V2 Superchargers over the newer and faster V3 Superchargers. Just to be able to get a slightly longer break and some extra time for coffee and bathroom break. And now you are shaving even more time from my break
You talked a very little bit about cooling, but what about other problems connected to fast charging? We know that charging things fast usually decreases their battery lifespan. Do you know, what part of an electric car would be really expensive and difficult to replace?
To be able to reach these peak power levels, the battery conditions will need to be met. This also ensures that the power does not damage the battery's durability over time.
But what are people in comments going to complain about now? Is it just going to be a million comments about how EV's are microwaves? Seriously though, this demo is very impressive and makes me excited to see what comes in the next 5/10/20 years.
A few million that would actually require a replacement. Modern batteries do not degrade fast enough to warrant any concern. Hell, even the million mile tesla (a 2008 model), still has not needed a battery replacement, and it has only lost 10% of it's capacity. Modern batteries (LFP) won't see 0.1% of lost capacity in the same amount of time and mileage.
This demonstration showcases a proof-of-concept. Of course, in order to reach these peak power levels, the battery conditions will need to be met. This also secures that the power does not damage the battery durability over time.
This demonstration is utilising silicon-dominant battery cell technology. The transformation of conventional lithium-ion batteries has fundamentally altered how a battery works and, in turn, supercharged its capabilities.
@@PolestarCars My comment was not specific to pricing, but thanks for taking the time to address it as pricing is obviously an important metric. More specifically; at what cost to the battery health?
To reach these peak power levels, the battery conditions will need to be met. This ensures that the power does not damage the battery's durability over time. The downside? You'll have to get used to eating your lunch really fast 😉
@@PolestarCars Great, it sounds like you have potentially solved 2 of the 4 biggest problems with EVs today. Those being Range Anxiety, Charging Infrastructure, Battery Technology and Cost. So, if we can truly charge your EV to 80% in 10 minutes without affecting the lifespan of the battery, you've potentially solved range anxiety and battery technology. Cost is within your control, but charging infrastructure, now that relies heavily on "the grid" and federal/state bureaucraties. Not the easiest problem to solve. In any case, thanks for taking the time to respond to my concerns.
The Polestar 5 prototype from this demonstration utilises StoreDot’s revolutionary XFC technology with silicon-dominant cells with an energy density on par with state-of-the-art NMC cells. The experimental XFC battery’s modules have a structural function which improves mechanical properties and cooling ability while maintaining or reducing weight levels, with high recallability and serviceability also paramount in the design of the pack.
Exactly. Average time at a pump is 10-15min. Some people spend nearly 30min filling up their massive truck. Meanwhile, I've owned EVs for 4 years now and have only visited a public charge station a handful of time, because like all EV owners, I charge my car at home when I'm not using it, lol.
Now all we need are city-wide charging infrastructures that can consistently support these current draws across all charging stations. Unfortunately something that won't be happening anytime soon. So while we will have increasing ability to charge devices at greater current draws, we won't have the current to supply the devices.
Usually you don't need those charging speeds in the city. Those are the speeds that you need along the highways. Since all charging stations are still up and running, I have a feeling we have the current to supply the devices as well.
@@Tschacki_Quacki Our current infrastructure isn't sufficient to support a large-scale shift to EVs. We'd need a massively larger number of stations in terms of quantity, but also in terms of the power output capacity. Many EV owners will be living in apartments or other areas where they can't charge their cars overnight, and will be totally dependent on public charging. We need to modernize our grids, increase the amount of high-voltage tranmission lines, upgrade distribution centers and transformers, etc. A fast-charging prototype EV is just one piece of a huge and expensive puzzle.
The experimental XFC battery’s modules have a structural function which improves mechanical properties and cooling ability. In order to reach these peak power levels, the battery conditions will need to be met. This also secures that the power does not damage the battery durability over time.
Nothing. Modern batteries will outlive you before you see degradation. lmfao, why are people still thinking we are living with 20 year old battery technology? Did you forget how that's not even a thing with cell phones for like a decade now? Better yet, ask any EV shop why they have never done a battery replacement in the years they have been in service. My guy, battery replacement on cars in so rare, that companies are offering million mile insurance on them, lmfao. It's not something that will ever happen to you. Even better, look at the million mile (now 1.24 million mile) 2008 tesla model S, which has only lost around 10% of it's total capacity. THAT'S A BATTERY FROM 2007. Hell, the new stuff, LFP and Li-S, won't (theoretically under ideal conditions) even see 0.01% capacity changes 50-100 years even after every-day heavy use. These new batteries WILL OUTLIVE YOU BEFORE THEY EVEN GET TIRED. It's dope AF, and we are even getting this tech in AA and AAA formats, they already make them for ICE car batteries and motorcycles, they are super lightweight too, and extremely safe. They are also 100% recyclable and have tons of protections to keep anyone from getting hit by the full amperage. Read up on modern battery tech.
@@sqlevolicious hey smart-ass thanks for the explanation, it was just a question. you don't have to be rude about it. BTW I'm in the automotive sector. Maybe the tech you say is available but certainly not affordable or easy to get. Due to brands that don't want to work together or don't want to share technology. and BTW people still have problems with there smartphone battery's due to fast charging. Or other daily appliances.
"It wasn't easy to find a cable that could handle this current. I'll tell you that" So basically seeing this kind of charging speed accessible across the planet is HIGHLY unlikely??
No, they'll become available when public chargers adopt these voltage and current speeds, besides, Ionity is almost there. Also, the PS team here probably had some margin on top of these speeds.
@@G_RizzlyI personally believe the issue facing EVs is the adoption and distribution of said “High speed” charging capacity on a global scale. Whilst PS have the technology, I think the public being able to access this kind of charging capacity without going on a witch-hunt for it is a long way off. Something Govs are seemingly not considering while pushing EVs.
The experimental XFC battery’s modules have a structural function which improves mechanical properties and cooling ability. This demonstration was made to showcase a proof-of-concept for XFC battery technology that could be applied to future Polestar vehicles. More details on the production version of Polestar 5 will be shared closer to its launch in 2025.
Bruh, the million mile 2008 tesla model s has only degraded 10% of it's battery. Modern batteries will outlive you before you see any actual degradation. lmfao, it's hilarious how people still think we live with 20 year old battery technology. Even our cell phones don't have battery degradation anymore, and haven't experienced that sort of thing for more than a decade.
It is better. The Taycan only has speed through large battery size. Nearly and over 100 kWh. This means low vehicle efficiency below 3 mi/kWh. This polestar charging has only 78 kWh battery. This means a higher charging speed, and higher vehicle efficiency. Taycan = 50 kWh X 2.5 mi/kWh = 125 miles in 10 minutes Polestar = 58 kWh X 4 mi/kWh = 232 miles in 10 minutes
@@omo9216 mi is for miles. It's not charging quicker. The polestar charged 58 kWh in ten minutes, with a maximum speed of 380 kWh. The Porsche has a much larger battery. Doubling the size of the battery allows you to charge twice as fast as the same C-rate. Polestar have charged 58 kWh in the same time with a smaller battery.
"moments when charging becomes an inconvenience"... its inconvenient 100% of the time and its one of the biggest reasons no one relies on EVs to do anything serious. its the reason rather than get rid of your ICE car, you get an EV on top of having ICE car. this 10 minute charge changes that whole dynamic a little bit. now make chargers 95-100% reliable and as painless to use as Tesla chargers and make the chargers as ubiquitous as gas as stations.
This car charges faster than my OnePlus 12
Nice job Geely Polestar
"It wasn't easy to find a cable that could handle this current"
And their cable isn't even red 😮
Try the OnePlus 10T
@@RS0593 Haha🤣
Better video title: men watching numbers on a screen and Tom cruise standing in front of a Polestar
😂😂
Love the ”behind the scenes” content. Can’t wait to see the 5 on the streets
Facts same here.
Glad you're enjoying the content! The anticipation for Polestar 5 hitting the streets is mutual ⚡️
Awesome progress! And love the design.
i didnt know tom cruise worked for polestar
I loved tom cruise ,till i read your comment😭
I truly burst out laughing at this!
Well, sort of. This is his cousin, Jonathan Cruise,
😂
lol, he does look like tom cruise with an old age tiktok filter 😂
I mean our Ioniq 5 can already do it in like 20 mins at a 350kw charger, and that's already crazy fast. This is next level.
iam a big fan of the Ioniq 5 iknow a guy in my familly who owns it ans he loves mercedes and i just think the Ioniq 5 also feels luxuries like a mercedes
@@ImAugusttv I'd say it's 85% as good as a merc. Merc interiors are just a little bit extra special. Also, the sound system in ioniq 5 is horrible.
@@justaguy6216 yes a mercedes is def a little extra but i think for normal use the Ioniq 5 is one of the best
Even if you don't have to charge at that speed or worried about the battery's longevity, just knowing that you can charge and the car is capable of charging at speed is gonna help relieve so many people's anxiety.
I agree even more so than range anxiety.
In my experience of only living with an EV for a few months, I had experienced this. At first, I was always extremely concerned about range and needing to charge, but after the first 2 weeks I slowly began to realize that this really is not an issue. Mostly due to the fact that I finally understood that the fast chargers are only really meant to be used if absolutely necessary or when on road trips. I never thought about owning an EV as having a "fuel station" at my home, and starting every day with a "full tank". I finally understood why there are so many gas stations everywhere, and it is mostly because you often need to fuel up when you are out and about driving, so it makes sense to have a station at every corner for when the need strikes. But having the ability to start every day with a full charge, basically removes the need to have a charge station at every corner because the chances of you needing it are very low.
@@ProXcaliber this is really important, but also ignores the fact that only a small number of people (those living in their own homes with dedicated parking and power in the parking space) will be able to charge at home. The vast majority of people won't be able to do so, so this kind of 10-minute charging is even more useful in getting EVs more widely adopted
There is nothing more exciting than watching people watching screens...
A joke, obviously but to be in that position, after months if not years of tireless R&D, is nerve wracking and exciting.
@@dabulls1g Oh no, I agree, massive accomplishment. But still SCREENS!!!!
definitely don't study engineering then
actually this is one of the few PR stunts where I might believe that we saw actual engineers doing actual test.
Nothing, is more exciting than reading your comment.
Congratulations, this needs major applause! Well done to them.
Fantastic progress - congrats to the entire team!
I'm already set on getting a Polestar 5 when they are released in Aus. Has been awesome to follow the development journey.
We're thrilled to have you on board for the journey from development to release. It's going to be an exhilarating ride!
Finally coming… I’ve waited this model for long time
Its a prototype so this tech will come maybe in 5 years
We're counting down the days with you ⚡️
We typically have a development cycle of two to three years, so we expect to be able to put this into production within that time period 🙌
@@livewallberg 2025 -2026 for production
Did I miss the moment they shared the graphs or some screen where the speed is shown?
Yes, it was shown multiple times. About 800 V, 480 A, 380 kW in total
Damn that car looks really good 😊
Thanks 🙌
Incredible work Polestar! Keep innovating!
Beautiful car! You are leading the way!
🙌
Great to see this kind of speed in battery charging. I also hope to see the same across all new future models so we can enjoy that, not just the top expensive models.
This is a fantastic accomplishment, those are crazy fast speeds moving a lot of power and storing it efficiently in a short amount of time. Making the most out of today's technology with thoughtful engineering 👍The Polestar one is still one of the most memorable and special EV's i've seen.
From one Jens, to another - Good Job mate!
Keep up the great work. Can't wait to see Polestar 3 & 4 in the UK.
Thanks for your support! 🙌 ⚡
My P2 has been very solid after 2.5 yrs. Just got a cadillac lyriq and really can’t beat my Polestar in terms of performance, quality and workmanship. I am absolutely getting the P4.
It's great to hear that your Polestar 2 has been serving you well, and we can't wait for you to experience the thrill of Polestar 4 as well 🙌
Love this! Great job team Polestar!
It’s great to see progression. Cracking battery tech is really hard and complicated on so many levels.
Polestar on the top
On the top of what exactly?
@@johnjohn3241maybe nothing else, but for sure looks, Polestar has some of the best looking cars
50% down payment 😂
How big is the battery? google says 103kwh, so charging almost 70kwh in 10min. So 20 of these chargers, you consume 6.6MW.. we need more nuclear plants.
@@AndrewTSq definitely could use more nuke plants, but with V2G being implemented its not as big a deal going forward, most EVs sit plugged into the grid and can return power if the grid needs it.
This is great - I hope it gets rolled out to all Polestar cars, without too much additional expense.
I'm fine with Polestar going for the luxury segment. But I still think there is a place for a workhorse EV from Polestar like the Polestar 2 that competes with similar EVs on price, and sells much higher volumes than PS's other models, but can still use this technology. A kind of Toyota Camry of EVs.
How dare you sir ………..the Camry of EVs 😂
You know, like one the middle class can afford.
Great progress, would also love to learn more about battery degradation if charged like this regularly compared to slow charging.
It may be less of a problem than anticipated since very fast charging means less time with a highly elevated cell voltage.
To reach these peak power levels, the battery conditions will need to be met. This also ensures that the power does not damage the battery's durability over time.
My personal average stop time in a gas car during a long road trip (ignoring long meals) was about 13 minutes after every 300 average miles per stop. My gas car can go 430 miles but I need the break.
This charging improvement assuming minimally increased wear is amazing. Combustion cars had decades of R&D. EVs are still relatively new in R&D, so it will only get better if needed.
This is insaneeee
What was the size of the battery?
Best question!
77 kWh ⚡
@@PolestarCars 77kWh available or less?
In any case, this is amazing!
So where exactly are you gong to find a 380kW charger?
in EU all ionity stations are 350kw
@@StefanoFinocchiaro Most of them could probably already do 380kW without issues but it would be a little out of spec.
I often get 190kW with my 400V car.
This test proves XFC technology works with today’s DC charging infrastructure, which continues to feature more high-power DC chargers of 350 kW or higher.
There's literally 1000s of 350+kW charge points in Europe, for example.
Great progress love the work that Polestar is doing and design is just awesome 😊❤❤
Thank you for your kind words 😊
They are solving charging speed the best way possible, with extending the charging curve. All other Chinese EVs are trying to pump up kW speeds, but you won't even be able to find chargers powerful enough for that kind of charging. But 350kW chargers are becoming a norm now, so this seems like a much better and more useful tech to me.
what are some drawbacks? Would it impact the battery capacity? How does it manage heat?
New anode and cathode would probably means reduced internal resistance, which decrease heat, reduced formation of dendrites, which reduce capacity over time and/or improved resistance to expansion and contraction of the cathode. The nice thing about lithium ion batteries is that they are in production for only 30 years and they can still massively improved.
You'd have to eat lunch really fast 😉
The PoleS 4 and PoleS 5 are finally two great looking cars. Glad to see you moving in this direction and then also improving experience like demoed here.
Tesla Fanboy giving props.
What kind of power needs to be supplied to a station with 10 charging points ? What kind of cables are needed? I assume we will need many more than gas stations since range is lower after a single visit.
Very impressive! Safety of lithium ion is still a concern. Can these speeds be achieved with a less volatile chemistry? Solid state? LFP?
According to the battery supplier StoreDot's website this is a semi-solid state battery
Researchers are continuously looking to improve performance and find new chemistries, so hopefully soon.
Damn, I really want one of those jackets.
A gigantic powerbank with 4 tires
Thank you Geely and SEA Platform 🎉
Love the car's design , looks promising.
Man the engineers did an all nighter for this, look at their eyes!
But is it recommended? Can this be done daily? Or is it just for the once every 5 year road trip. How much does it degrade the battery
unreal, well done. defintely an important breakthrough
Very impressive! 😍
Amazing improvement and I'm excited for the future of EV charging. However, let's address the elephant in the room - how is the electrical grid going to support this? How are we going to provide the raw electricity necessary to charge multiple cars simultaneously at charging stations? Particularly more remote ones outside of major cities. The team mentions a continuous charging rate of 334kw - that's a LOT of power!
I'm sure right now it's likely quite possible because EVs still only make up a small percentage of cars on the road. But what about in 5-10 years when there are significantly more EVs on the road all requiring fast charge speeds at charge stations? The electrical grid in many countries (including mine) is going to need a complete overhaul to allow for this.
The charging tech may develop exponentially, but the electrical grid that forms it's backbone is another beast altogether.
Sounds amazing! But what was the battery capacity?
1kwh 🤣
This was a ~ 75kWh battery pack if I remember correctly, but there is no reason why it wouldn't be scalable for larger battery packs.
The battery's capacity was 77kWh 🙌
@@PolestarCars Oh wow! Hereby; I'm impressed!
Charging a battery fast has never been an issue. The problem comes with the degradation of the battery in doing so. In the most least technical terms you burn the battery out causing lesser and lesser means for it to hold a charge.
Yep that's going to take a hard hit on lifespan
Awesome progress yeah, but how would this tech work in real-life scenarios where multiple cars are charging at the same time. What about the infrastucture needed to make it happen in real life and in already existing charging stations across europe?
How does it affect battery longevity?
it cools down the battery while charging so should be fine. Heat is the number 1 threat to battery health
In order to reach these peak power levels, the battery conditions will need to be met. This also secures that the power does not damage the battery durability over time.
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So this is a high nickel silicon battery made by SKon,
and it charges faster than the high nickel silicon battery from LGensol used in the Taycan?
The stock price is now $1.2. He said in the clip that it was difficult to find a cable that could bear this load. Can it be charged with regular chargers? Or is it more money to burn?
Yeah, I really think to increase the share price they need to look at volume and make at least one of their models affordable (eg the P2). This is the way EVs are going, and the luxury market is a relatively small segment.
@@yggdrasil9039 they have no interest in volume sales. They've already stated that their yearly target is 150k cars a year. There's no interest in chasing volume sales like tesla for ex.
@@suvann540i Well they're certainly succeeding, as volume of Polestar 2 in Australia has dropped from ~1,000 a month a year ago to 84 last month 😂
@@yggdrasil9039 so what you're saying is, sales of the outgoing polestar 2 have tanked coincidentally after the polestar 4 went on sale? you don't say?
@@suvann540i That implication would be true if thousands of P4s were being sold. Apart from an initial rush of pre-orders, that's not the case.
Polestar have effectively priced themselves out of 99% of the market.
Can you please address the long term impacts of charging in this methodology? Would you get reduced longevity?
In order to reach these peak power levels, the battery conditions will need to be met. This also secures that the power does not damage the battery durability over time.
this is awesome results in a controlled lab. can't wait to see real world stats
Unlike most companies. Polestar delivers what they promise.
they are filming charging a car's battery like they are launching rocket into space
Is polestar a brother company of volvo?
Any plans for future (affordable) battery upgrades of current Polestar cars?
We're always looking at ways to bring more value to the driving experience of our current drivers, and in the past we have released software updates that improve range and efficiency free of charge. More hardware related upgrades we don't have any details to share on currently.
Amazing! When it will be commercialized?
We typically have a development cycle of two to three years, meaning it could be put into production within that time period 🙌
No NACS??
Fantastic improvement for the charging feature. ❤️
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Finally a video of engineers with bad posture. Honest marketing
Lmfao
How can you guarantee that these fast charging won't damage the battery in the long run?
Good question. surely no one considered that.
@@suvann540i you should sell your services, you seem to know so much.
@@suvann540i Mhm... car company that knows that they have to provide 8 years of warranty on their EV batteries hasn't considered how to get the batteries through those 8 years 99,9% safe.
Very reasonable thoughts.
We continue to explore ways to improve batteries and performance. This involves ensuring that the battery conditions are met so the durability isn't damaged over time.
Impressive numbers! The P5 will be wild!! ⚡️
The near future of automotive 🙌
10-80% of a battery of... what capacity?
77kwh
77 kWh ⚡️
2:00 - Anxiety hasn't gone away yet because a charger that can pull off what you achieved in the lab doesn't yet exist in the wild. It is awesome to see these improvements in charging technology however the charging infrastructure for non-Tesla vehicles is still in a pretty sad state in the United States. I realize that most people who drive electric today probably charge at home. I also realize that most of the trips people take in their car are not all that far from home. But, widespread adoption of EVs means that people have to feel comfortable taking their car on a road trip too. When all EVs are able to charge to 80% in 10-minutes adoption will go up. The charging network seems to be a bigger barrier than the vehicles now. There are tons of owner reports of charging stations that are out of order, offline or broken. Many reports also exist where the charger just won't negotiate with the car. So a charge that should take 20 minutes takes 2 hours. Chargers that don't support the voltage or amperage to support this kind of fast charging. And, there are plenty of issues reported with processing payments at chargers that are not Tesla. I really like what Polestar is doing. I like Polestar vehicles more than I like Tesla. I appreciate the Polestar designs and think of them like the anti-Tesla but, I can't see myself buying a Polestar right now. Polestar is a wait and see for me.
Has storedot tech ever been released or licensed into commercial products?
which manufacturer is the battery? CATL / BYD?
It's SK 😊
It's great that this battery can be charged so quickly, but how much damage is done to it in the process? In other words, how sustainable is this sort of quick charging in the long run? Generally speaking, I'm disappointed that so many consumer products nowadays -- including cars -- are not designed to live longer lives.
Anyone who hasn't owned an EV can't talk about charging being an inconvenience. It's amazing. I have not entered a petrol station in over a year. And I charge every 3-4 nights, whilst I"m in bed.
Very cool. My Tesla Model 3 AWD from 2021 charges already so fast that I typically choose the older V2 Superchargers over the newer and faster V3 Superchargers. Just to be able to get a slightly longer break and some extra time for coffee and bathroom break. And now you are shaving even more time from my break
You talked a very little bit about cooling, but what about other problems connected to fast charging?
We know that charging things fast usually decreases their battery lifespan.
Do you know, what part of an electric car would be really expensive and difficult to replace?
To be able to reach these peak power levels, the battery conditions will need to be met. This also ensures that the power does not damage the battery's durability over time.
But what are people in comments going to complain about now? Is it just going to be a million comments about how EV's are microwaves? Seriously though, this demo is very impressive and makes me excited to see what comes in the next 5/10/20 years.
Where is quantamscape ?
When do chargers as fast as this one, become common along the highways?
Most of europe already has 350 kW chargers along major routes.
what is the battery chemistry?
Our partner StoreDot utilises silicon-dominant battery cell technology, and this specific battery has a capacity of 77 kWh.
So how many changes before i need battery replacement? 4?
A few million that would actually require a replacement. Modern batteries do not degrade fast enough to warrant any concern.
Hell, even the million mile tesla (a 2008 model), still has not needed a battery replacement, and it has only lost 10% of it's capacity.
Modern batteries (LFP) won't see 0.1% of lost capacity in the same amount of time and mileage.
This demonstration showcases a proof-of-concept. Of course, in order to reach these peak power levels, the battery conditions will need to be met. This also secures that the power does not damage the battery durability over time.
How did you challenge lithium plating?
Anode materials
LFP solid-state and Li-S solid-state
This demonstration is utilising silicon-dominant battery cell technology. The transformation of conventional lithium-ion batteries has fundamentally altered how a battery works and, in turn, supercharged its capabilities.
I love Polestar ❤ for me the most beautiful and best BEV on the market ❤️
At what cost?
This was a demonstration of the next-generation battery pack on a Polestar 5 prototype, so we currently have no more info to share regarding pricing.
@@PolestarCars My comment was not specific to pricing, but thanks for taking the time to address it as pricing is obviously an important metric. More specifically; at what cost to the battery health?
To reach these peak power levels, the battery conditions will need to be met. This ensures that the power does not damage the battery's durability over time. The downside? You'll have to get used to eating your lunch really fast 😉
@@PolestarCars Great, it sounds like you have potentially solved 2 of the 4 biggest problems with EVs today. Those being Range Anxiety, Charging Infrastructure, Battery Technology and Cost. So, if we can truly charge your EV to 80% in 10 minutes without affecting the lifespan of the battery, you've potentially solved range anxiety and battery technology. Cost is within your control, but charging infrastructure, now that relies heavily on "the grid" and federal/state bureaucraties. Not the easiest problem to solve. In any case, thanks for taking the time to respond to my concerns.
any specs on the battery pack? I guess classic NCM material (high Cobalt content) to achieve such charging power and an 800V architecture.
I think it's the new generation of honeycomb CATL battery.
The Polestar 5 prototype from this demonstration utilises StoreDot’s revolutionary XFC technology with silicon-dominant cells with an energy density on par with state-of-the-art NMC cells. The experimental XFC battery’s modules have a structural function which improves mechanical properties and cooling ability while maintaining or reducing weight levels, with high recallability and serviceability also paramount in the design of the pack.
@@PolestarCars interesting, when will this technology be available for the consumer? if everything goes to plan ofc
We typically have a development cycle of two to three years, and this could be put into production within that time period ⚡️
Props to all the actors Geely hired for this.
“I don’t stop at a gas station for over 5 minutes” says the guy who sits at Costco gas line for 15 minutes
Exactly. Average time at a pump is 10-15min. Some people spend nearly 30min filling up their massive truck.
Meanwhile, I've owned EVs for 4 years now and have only visited a public charge station a handful of time, because like all EV owners, I charge my car at home when I'm not using it, lol.
What was the ambient temp? I have to charge in over 100F sometimes.
For this demonstration, we tested this in ~15-20°C
I think he means "precious resource" instead of "luxurious commodity".
didnt test it charging in Summer ?
For this test, it was performed in approximately 15-20 °C ambient temperatures.
How long many cycles will the battery last at that charging speeds?
It would outlive you, modern battery tech does not degrade fast enough to warrant any concern.
Now all we need are city-wide charging infrastructures that can consistently support these current draws across all charging stations. Unfortunately something that won't be happening anytime soon. So while we will have increasing ability to charge devices at greater current draws, we won't have the current to supply the devices.
Usually you don't need those charging speeds in the city. Those are the speeds that you need along the highways. Since all charging stations are still up and running, I have a feeling we have the current to supply the devices as well.
@@Tschacki_Quacki Our current infrastructure isn't sufficient to support a large-scale shift to EVs. We'd need a massively larger number of stations in terms of quantity, but also in terms of the power output capacity. Many EV owners will be living in apartments or other areas where they can't charge their cars overnight, and will be totally dependent on public charging.
We need to modernize our grids, increase the amount of high-voltage tranmission lines, upgrade distribution centers and transformers, etc. A fast-charging prototype EV is just one piece of a huge and expensive puzzle.
@@Pyrrho_ That's what is happening
Nice to see this is possible. But what does this do to the durability and life cycle of the battery?
The experimental XFC battery’s modules have a structural function which improves mechanical properties and cooling ability. In order to reach these peak power levels, the battery conditions will need to be met. This also secures that the power does not damage the battery durability over time.
Nothing. Modern batteries will outlive you before you see degradation. lmfao, why are people still thinking we are living with 20 year old battery technology? Did you forget how that's not even a thing with cell phones for like a decade now? Better yet, ask any EV shop why they have never done a battery replacement in the years they have been in service.
My guy, battery replacement on cars in so rare, that companies are offering million mile insurance on them, lmfao. It's not something that will ever happen to you.
Even better, look at the million mile (now 1.24 million mile) 2008 tesla model S, which has only lost around 10% of it's total capacity. THAT'S A BATTERY FROM 2007.
Hell, the new stuff, LFP and Li-S, won't (theoretically under ideal conditions) even see 0.01% capacity changes 50-100 years even after every-day heavy use. These new batteries WILL OUTLIVE YOU BEFORE THEY EVEN GET TIRED.
It's dope AF, and we are even getting this tech in AA and AAA formats, they already make them for ICE car batteries and motorcycles, they are super lightweight too, and extremely safe. They are also 100% recyclable and have tons of protections to keep anyone from getting hit by the full amperage.
Read up on modern battery tech.
@@sqlevolicious hey smart-ass thanks for the explanation, it was just a question. you don't have to be rude about it. BTW I'm in the automotive sector. Maybe the tech you say is available but certainly not affordable or easy to get. Due to brands that don't want to work together or don't want to share technology.
and BTW people still have problems with there smartphone battery's due to fast charging. Or other daily appliances.
@@PolestarCars Thanks for the reply I'm looking forward to see this tech. And how it works out.
Ok, incredible charging time. But can we please talk about that sick silhouette
Look at that giant cable.
What is the weight?
Why does that matter? Are you too weak? Maybe you should hit the gym.
100k is Crazy tho 😵💫
Batteries and charging technologies are only getting better. 🎉 People won’t have an excuse to not ditch their ICE vehicles.
Changing the EV landscape ⚡️
In laboratory conditions it could be done, but what about charging in real life?
"It wasn't easy to find a cable that could handle this current. I'll tell you that" So basically seeing this kind of charging speed accessible across the planet is HIGHLY unlikely??
No, they'll become available when public chargers adopt these voltage and current speeds, besides, Ionity is almost there. Also, the PS team here probably had some margin on top of these speeds.
@@G_RizzlyI personally believe the issue facing EVs is the adoption and distribution of said “High speed” charging capacity on a global scale. Whilst PS have the technology, I think the public being able to access this kind of charging capacity without going on a witch-hunt for it is a long way off. Something Govs are seemingly not considering while pushing EVs.
How big was this battery?
The battery's capacity was 77kWh ⚡️
And what about the lifecycle? Can the battery last for at least 1 years
The experimental XFC battery’s modules have a structural function which improves mechanical properties and cooling ability. This demonstration was made to showcase a proof-of-concept for XFC battery technology that could be applied to future Polestar vehicles. More details on the production version of Polestar 5 will be shared closer to its launch in 2025.
Bruh, the million mile 2008 tesla model s has only degraded 10% of it's battery.
Modern batteries will outlive you before you see any actual degradation.
lmfao, it's hilarious how people still think we live with 20 year old battery technology. Even our cell phones don't have battery degradation anymore, and haven't experienced that sort of thing for more than a decade.
Beautiful car and very impressive!
How much have it charged? 58,6kW? I think it is not better then the Taycan
It is better.
The Taycan only has speed through large battery size. Nearly and over 100 kWh. This means low vehicle efficiency below 3 mi/kWh.
This polestar charging has only 78 kWh battery. This means a higher charging speed, and higher vehicle efficiency.
Taycan = 50 kWh X 2.5 mi/kWh = 125 miles in 10 minutes
Polestar = 58 kWh X 4 mi/kWh = 232 miles in 10 minutes
@joshbridges8410 the new Tycan is charging the 50kWh quicker. Not sure what you mean with "mi"
@@omo9216 mi is for miles.
It's not charging quicker. The polestar charged 58 kWh in ten minutes, with a maximum speed of 380 kWh.
The Porsche has a much larger battery. Doubling the size of the battery allows you to charge twice as fast as the same C-rate.
Polestar have charged 58 kWh in the same time with a smaller battery.
Reduced charging time is great. Reduced prices would also be great.
They could save $1000 per car if they stopped gluing iPad Pros to the dashboards
"moments when charging becomes an inconvenience"... its inconvenient 100% of the time and its one of the biggest reasons no one relies on EVs to do anything serious. its the reason rather than get rid of your ICE car, you get an EV on top of having ICE car. this 10 minute charge changes that whole dynamic a little bit. now make chargers 95-100% reliable and as painless to use as Tesla chargers and make the chargers as ubiquitous as gas as stations.