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- Canada and the U.S. are investing billions of dollars to make our vehicles zero-emission in the next decade. It'll mean more jobs and less pollution ... but supply is already a big problem.
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Also hope they intend to invest heavily in public transit as well because improving public transit to support more monday to friday trips feels like a low hanging fruit compared to this.
Good thought that they care about you and the environment 😂
Is this investment going to be the same as the federal budget balancing itself
@Powerweights this will more than pay for itself, in fact this will help to balance the budget, because of the additional economic activity it will generate.
@@tonespeaks eh.... better make sure that this factory produces Tesla compatible batteries...
many of the rest of the car manufactures are going bankrupt, they simply have too much existing debt.
google it. its HUGE and unless they get enormous bailouts their are dead
@@kevindamen6813 You have a point, but let's see how things shake out. the batteries are more likely to be used by Chinese Automakers. They have a huge lead on most.
There are a bunch of bigger questions that aren't addressed:
1) Where is the money coming from to upgrade power transmission across Canada? California is doing this and it is costing them an unbelievable amount of money.
2) Where are the minerals like cobalt coming from? Right now about 70%/ comes from the DRC. You should go see how the children work in toxic mud for $0.25 per day. If the answer is NA then who is going to pay for the more expensive batteries?
3) What about people who can't afford $60,000+ for an electric car? If supply is low and purchasing electric is mandated by the government (demand high) it would reason the prices will be even higher by 2035.
4) What about investment in charging stations? Gas stations will effectively need to be replaced.
5) Are we actually going to get more money back from our investment or is this just a politics move to get votes? Manufacturing labour in the US is typically significantly cheaper than Canada so if we beat the US on the bid I'm guessing we are giving A LOT.
This seems like a lot of spending that could reasonably plunge our children into massive debts for their entire lives.. all to reduce Canada's green house gas emissions by 4% or the world's by 0.06%.
you have already put your children in massive debt and your grandchildren. don't pretend like you care.
Tesla is already building out the new charging stations, and a new Tesla is cheaper then a equilivient gas car.
How did we switch from horses to cars? This transition is much easier and is already taking far longer.
ill keep driving my Internal Combustion Engine powered 2019 VW Jetta
absolutely, but once enough people convert to electric, the gas stations are going to start to fail and go out of business.
they need enough customers to be profitable...
at that point the resale value of existing gas cars will go to scrap metal value and owners will panic and try to sell as quickly as possible,
but yes, you can keep your car, forever!, filling it will be an entirely different story
Could you do a segment on the environmental impact form mining the substances needed to create these batteries ? Please 🙏
Could you do a segment on the environmental impact form mining the substances needed to create the fossil fuels for ICE vehicles ? Please 🙏
Could you also report where the liberal government plans to dump the batteries after use. The batteries only last a couple short years then what? What about the old batteries leaking into the ground water?
@@SnowWhite-hr4ho
Like all those old oil wells leaking?
Toronto-based lithium-ion battery recycler Li-Cycle is expanding its operations into Europe after tripling its North American capacity in 2022.
The company signalled its European interests in early March with a tour of its Kingston, Ontario facility by European Commission President Ursula van der Leyen and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
The network can currently process 51,000 tonnes of lithium-ion battery material per year and is aiming for capacity of 81,000 tonnes by the end of 2023, the company says.
@@SnowWhite-hr4ho Maybe that's true in Factfreevia; but here in the real world, the company with the most EVs on the road in the world recently announced that on average, their batteries have lost only 12% of capacity after 200,000 miles. Spent batteries will either be repurposes in stationary applications, where more degradation is acceptable; or, as Universe states, recycled. No batteries will be "dumped".
@@SnowWhite-hr4ho they get recycled cheaply. An existing old dead Tesla battery is worth more then a brand new replacement Tesla battery because of the materials inside the old batteries are worth more.
as such having your battery replaced costs very little, just pay for labour
So I just paid my student loans. Took me ten years to pay them. I was almost half way through my mortgage. Higher BoC rates just extended my mortgage back another 4 years. Instead of saving for retirement and paying my mortgage off I have to spend all my money and go into more debt to retrain myself for these new careers ? What a great future we all have.
I live in rural Ontario, our electric grid is less than reliable and the grid is already being used to its maximum; is this about city residents and not about rural Ontario? Canada?
I live in rural Ontario our grid is good, plus I have solar backup, been driving an EV for 5 years never have had a problem. EV's are good for 99.9% of Canada.
Most older condos don't have the capacity to support ev chargers. What are suppose to do?
@@SnowWhite-hr4ho
Thats an item on the list of things that will change. Also depending on you driving distance a public fast charger once a week may be all you need.
its not being used to its maximum, we just created a new ultra low rate time period so we could get more usage at night. Great time to charge a EV
Batteries will be the next ecological crisis. And this buy-in to the electric car industry puts us in direct competition with China who have enough manufacuring resouces to shut down a comparitively small newcomer to the sector. And Canada does aerospace manufacturing I would think it would the high-end maybe even specialized parts work Canada could contribute to the electric car industry and not just the battery, the least complex and most toxic part of an electric vehicle.
I'm all in for electric vehicles. I personally think we're going abour it the wrong way.
Huge opportunity for Ontario manufacturing. The downside is lack of workers to produce. Their gonna struggle big time.
if we back the right manufacturer, better to make sure those Batteries are Tesla compatible, just in case
2035???? It's way too ambitious. How is this going to be possible?
It's not but hey, dream big.
How is that impossible? Just make it illegal to sell new ICE vehicles.
It's not! why would anyone want to buy a electric vehicle that you can't go anywhere over 200 miles?
@@user-ls5zb2dx5j does your car have an endless fuel tank option or something? You can't go anywhere when its empty either 🤣
@@user-ls5zb2dx5j That is why I don't think this goal will be reached. Electric vehicles in remote areas won't be possible with the technology we have now. The government only has about 11.5 years to build charging stations in places like Nunavut, northern Quebec etc... It definitely won't happen.
We know that kids in Africa are forced to work in dangerous mines for little pay. Forced child labour is not okay.
So has the forced child labour in Africa
so, what are you doing to stop it? IF it is sooo not cool. You do realize they have to work because they need food right? You doing anything?
@@joeisawesome540 I supported an African child for 12 years until was 18.
@@SnowWhite-hr4ho just 1? Wow good work buddy.. while using a phone built by slave labour, clothes made in a sweat shop.. Do you actually care?
Why did you exclude light trucks? Most are only used as passenger vehicles and contribute to higher emissions.
Jumping on the EV bandwagon. Jobs! Green cred!
But does it actually do anything? In the end we’re still using 2-3 tons worth of vehicle to go from place to place. Lots of embodied energy of manufacturing, energy to move 2 tons of vehicle per butt. Makes vehicular emissions easier to tolerate.
Real solution: densify our cities, no parking minimums, mixed-use buildings. Build mid-rise mixed-use so that people can be closer to daily amenities. If you lived a block from the grocery why wouldn’t you just walk? Kids could walk to school if it was just two blocks away.
Mid-rise residential means many more shared walls which cuts down on heating needs.
We have loads of housing stocks to build so… jobs! But this time with long-term benefits.
The battery alone in a mid to large size EV is as heavy as entire sub-compact traditional car. It is indeed a massive amount of weight to lug around with you everywhere you go.
@Lenard Segnitz Totally agree, but we can do it all!!! Let's just try to have progress and not get slowed trying to be perfect.
No thanks wait for the safety problems
most new cars are sent to US, as Canadian we get nothing
Two weeks ago I had a discussion with our local Toyota dealership here in Central Alberta. I wanted to ask about price and availability on their Rav 4 both the hybrid and the Prime. Their estimated delivery times were 6 months + for the Hybrid. Two years + on the Prime. Difference in cost about $20 K more for the Prime. The combined fuel consumption for both is the same around 6L / 100 km. So my Money is on the Hybrid for several reasons. No extra expenses for the charging system. With our winter temps around - 30 to -40 C the supposed advantage of electric range tends to disappears with the Prime that uses the Lithium Ion batteries. ( the Hybrid uses Metal hydride batteries which lose much less capacity when temperatures plummet). Anyone considering an EV should do their research ahead of time to understand what to expect.
Considering that Toyota is refusing to go fully electric, what exactly did you expect them to say?
Look at the electric cars being sold. they are almost ALL teslas.
go find out why for yourself.
Why is coal being compared to mineral mining for ice vs electric vehicle? Seems cherry picked
saving the planet from pollution looks and feels so expensive
Really wish that was being spent on housing.
We can solve housing TODAY. To Those Applicable: Get Married and move in together, PASS IT ON!
And accept that your LIST is never going to happen, so accept it and move on with life.
Investing into electric cars is the biggest mistake humanity has made since cars 😑
Canadians learn from American politicians and lying about things paying for themselves. lol Your about to get bent over too.
but EVs costing more than gas cars now, wtf is going on...
Not really. New EV VW starts at $48K
@@mikehearn4231 ok, and? Still not more than an ICE vehicle, which was my point
@@mikehearn4231 I didn't realize it was a competition. I only drive 15 minutes to work and back, days off I don't even go anywhere, so compete with that what you will.
#1 Its a waste of money. And will increase the price of everything even more.
Gasoline vehicles are destroying the world we live in. Battery electric cars are cheaper to produce, maintain and run than ICE cars. Oil products need to go away to ensure that mankind can exist for many millennia to come.
Don’t forget how much money the government gives to subsidize petroleum every year…shut oil down.
once they have can 500km range at -30c and charge in 5-10mintues then they should push for more sales. we like to travel and arent waiting 45minutes every couple hundred KM. Any tax of any sort on climate should be gone period!
While every company is trying to find alternatives for EV batteries that don't use rare earth metals, the real solution to carbon emissions from ICE engines isn't EVs. EVs are just a part of the solution. The real solution is public transit and rail networks.
About 80% of people in North America live in suburban and urban areas that should be served by mass transit infrastructure. You shouldn't need to own a car if you live in the GTA, for example.
I agree with mass transit but that's impossible in the North American mindset where every city is so sprawled out.
Company's don't need to find batteries without rare earth materials. It's already in production. Lithium iron phosphate batteries do not contain any. Many EV manufacturers already use this battery.
@plantbasedstrong Sounds like someone who doesn't want to work for a better future.
@@jonwayne5100 Southern Ontario and many other corridors in North America are every bit as densely populated as parts of Europe and even parts of Asia that are served by much, much, much more transit and rail than we are.
We should also be reducing sprawl and increasing density across the board as sprawl is essentially a money pit and causing many jurisdictions to go broke. The economics around sprawl make zero sense (it's extremely inefficient land use and extremely expensive to build and maintain).
The goal should be to roll back sprawl, make suburbs increasingly walkable, build more transit to reduce car dependency then use EVs to fill the gaps.
@@EnnuinerDog I grew up in Hong Kong. It has one of the best public transit systems in the world and it's very profitable while keeping low fares.
However in NA where transits are money sinks we are never going to get good transit here.
AFAIK lithium ion batteries don't using rare earth metals. Which mineral are you referring to?
This is what true evil looks like.😢
How is that evil? I mean not acting sooner, not pushing for other things like laws that push and encourage more telecommuting, better rail infrastructure funding, right to repair laws and home product repair being added to school curriculums. The list of things that could be done is almost infinite. I fear that you're one of those people who thinks the government made this all up or whatever
Soon the Pickering electric generating plant will be closing. Until now I do not know of anything that is going to make up the shortfall of electricity. Will there be a shortage of electricity once there are more electric vehicles for sale? Will there be enough charging stations? How will electric vehicles stand up to very cold weather? As a senior I do not drive much and so my van sits in the driveway. When that happens it is sometimes hard or impossible to start my van because my battery charge is so low. Will the batteries of electric vehicles lose their charge like that? Let's say the batteries are too discharged. Now you will have to get it towed to some charging station - right? Also, once at the charging station it may take an hour or longer to charge your vehicle if you get there first. What if you have to wait in line? It will take even longer to charge your electric vehicle. Who wants to have to wait in line for so long?
Why isn't the government not promoting hydrogen gas vehicles? Why not give Canadians some choice? Let's wait and see if Trudeau buys an electric vehicle. In the meantime I will be buying a used gas powered vehicle. I think Trudeau is very wrong to only promote electric vehicles.
i have a tesla and the batteries hold a charge just fine. i have left it for months while traveling with no issues
@@kevindamen6813 Do you live in a cold climate? How far can you travel when your car is fully charged? How long does it take you to charge your car?
i have a question, where govt get the gas tax back when people moved to EV?
@coolw2k Don't need Gas tax, just tax at vehicle registration.
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One thing that wasn't mentioned and is a big plus is savings on fuel costs like $5000 a year compered to charging from home at $260 for the full year.
Hype. Internal combustion will allways be here. Electric is AGENDA. It's politics.
Im all for EVs, I just hope the electricity company's dont see this as a opportunity for profiteering. With all this new technology you'd think humans would be able to get more for there money and feel some stability. Its seems like we still have to work hard but the basics like energy and housing are soooo expensive.
They will supply and demand just like everything else say hi to high hydro pricee
Solar Systems are getting very cheap, just need to afford the upfront cost.
@@pw3858 they'll find something. Find more bureaucracy to pay for. Government never seems to get smaller.
You don't have to wait long if you buy a Tesla!
Most people I know live in condos and apartments we are all broke and are driving old cars and repairing them just to have a car. All the baby boomers want us to pay 3 to 6 times what they paid for their old houses. Green tech will not happen for generations.
Another scam
12 fold rare earth minerals production is not enough if you want to replace all ice cars with EVs. The number is probably 1000 fold. What’s more problematic is all the pollutions for manufacturing batteries don’t generate energy. It’s for short term storage only. You still largely rely on burning coal to generate energy. And building, upgrading, maintaining more and more power grids and batteries charging stations also pollute and cost top $
My rooftop solar powers my EV.
Which rare earth minerals specifically? I'm only aware of neodymium being used in permanent magnet motors. But electric motors can be produced without permanent magnets at the expense of efficiency.
Coal-fired electricity is still more carbon-efficient than ICE engines I believe the number is that a coal-fired electrical plant produces a third of the CO2 to power an EV than would be produced by a comparable ICE vehicle. I do suspect that driving a small ICE vehicle solves more problems than driving a honking electric SUV does, though. Roads and manufacturing the vehicles also have environmental impacts, and these depend more on vehicle size than on what runs them.
@@jeffreyquinn3820 Yes, the net efficiency can be higher. If the coal plant is modern and has 60% efficiency, and the EV has 80% efficiency, then the overall efficiency is 48%, which is better than the efficiency of most ICE vehicles. Although 60% efficiency would require a modern cogeneration coal power plant and we don't have cogeneration plants in North America. If the coal power plant is a decades old clunker then the efficiency is much lower and it's closer to being a toss up between coal powered EV and gas powered ICEV.
@@jptrainor Assuming there is no wind or solar in the mix, with ICE efficiency in the 22-25% range, coal electricity with EVs still has the edge. I only fill my 20-year-old Honda 3 or so times a year, so it doesn't make sense for me to switch, but it's nice as a pedestrian not to suck exhaust.
If Trudeau wasn't on a plane every other day our carbon emissions would be so low that electric cars wouldn't be necessary in the first place. More methane spewed every time he speaks.
The problem is that we just don’t have the infrastructure and it’s ridiculous. I’m not gonna be getting an EV anytime soon because I can’t get one for my apartment. There’s nowhere to plug it in the charging stations are crap not practical for most places like Ontario, especially in the north, and converting a regular home in Ontario with EV charging is not supported by the province is too expensive and impractical with regards to infrastructure.
@greatgecks Tesla has Superchargers all over the place and it is really easy to use. BTW when we transitioned from Horse and Buggy to Cars, we didn't have a lot of Gas Stations then.
Your lot doesn't have block hearer plug-ins? They work just fine, just take longer is all
The point is we don’t need more cars that no one can afford. We need public transportation that works.
@@JobeRoberts EV doesn't cost more than a regular car. Brand new VW EV starts at $48K
@@burntearth85 EVs are probably cheaper and will keep getting cheaper but cars suck. Yes, I have one unfortunately, but do not use it for commuting, it mostly sits parked and unused. Not everyone has the benefit of public transportation. The total cost of car ownership is typically $8 to 12 thousand per year. The avg income less than 60k.
The data collected by the IEA shows more than 10 million electric vehicle sales worldwide in 2022 and that sales are expected to grow by another 35% this year to reach 14 million. This explosive growth means electric vehicle share of the overall car market has risen from around 4% in 2020 to 14% in 2022 and is likely to increase to 18% this year, based on the latest IEA projections.
@@mikehearn4231
When the model T was introduced you would have kept your horse and said.
"no thanks not interested, no money for you"
@@universeisundernoobligatio3283 If the car manufacturers back then waited for every last horse rider to be convinced on the benefits of motor power, we'd all still be riding horses.
@@mikehearn4231
Well get one.
@@jaymaccool
The old horse rides that refused to change just died off problem solved..
@@mikehearn4231
I don't under stand please explain?
February saw Norway’s plugin electric vehicle share continue to grow to 90.1%, from 86.1% year on year. All the growth came from full electrics, whilst plugin hybrids lost share.
Watch John stossel, electric cars
Hello from south of the border. The transition to EV is not going well here and is probably going to ultimately fail. It's been politicized beyond belief and there are some ambitious but highly unrealistic goals.
The 4th quarter of 2022 was the 7th consecutive quarter in which US BEV sales increased. The last time there was a quarter-over-quarter decrease was from Q4 2020 to Q1 2021, when sales decreased just slightly from 95,203 to 94,084. By Q4 2022, though, the market was up to 235,133. That’s a 147% increase in just two years.
@@mikehearn4231
Tesla Now 8th Best Selling Auto Brand In USA
@@mikehearn4231
The data collected by the IEA shows more than 10 million electric vehicle sales worldwide in 2022 and that sales are expected to grow by another 35% this year to reach 14 million. This explosive growth means electric vehicle share of the overall car market has risen from around 4% in 2020 to 14% in 2022 and is likely to increase to 18% this year, based on the latest IEA projections.
@@universeisundernoobligatio3283
So did the sales of ICE. Next.
Li-Cycle’s Kingston plant opened in 2019 and now recycles 5,000 tonnes of batteries a year. The company has since opened three other recycling facilities in New York, Arizona and Alabama - each one another “spoke” in its two-stage “Spoke and Hub” vertically integrated recycling strategy. Combined, they have a capacity to process 51,000 tonnes of battery materials per year.
In case you live under a rock, EV sales in many countries have picked up massively, its as high as 20percent of all new vehicle sales, it was only a few years ago when it around 2 percent. In fact after pickup trucks, Teslas are basically the top or one of the top selling cars. Its not a matter of if electrical vehicle sales will pass gas cars, its when
Get rid of long commute to work will help. Reduce your daily travels.
I will continue to drive my mechanically reliable Toyota 4runner until the wheels fall off
I will never buy an ev let alone a domestically produced one (nobody seems to be talking about their spontaneous combustions not to mention the abysmal quality in product)
The future is hydrogen…”ohh the humanity” is going to be the next argument here
Poor planing and poor policies are leading to wasted tax dollars
You voted for it you got it now enjoy
You're in luck because Toyota doesn't seem to want to do EVs. They'll probably making the same damn 4runner, same prehistoric engine and same body style for the next 50 years.
@@TheKingOfInappropriateComments why fix it if it aint broke and by the way they’re coming out with a hybrid
Cheers sucker
@@kristijankontrec2123 A hybrid 4runner?
Then don't buy one. Most of us are enjoying it, that's why we voted for climate change policy 3 times in a row now
National Transportation Safety Board, Bureau of Transportation Statistics and recall data around fires for gasoline, hybrid and electric vehicles.
It found that hybrid vehicles reported 3,475.5 fires per 100,000 sold. Gas vehicles accounted for 1,529.9 fires for every 100,000 sold. Electrics saw just 25.1 fires per 100,000 sold.
👏👏👏👏👏 bring on the EVs. The benefits outweigh the costs
Try driving your beloved tesla NÕW
😃😃😂😂😃😄😄😅😅😁😁😀👍👍👍💃
@@MeaHeaR you realize you don't have to charge them every night, right? Unlike plugging in your block heater
@@burntearth85 😂😆😆👦🏿👍🏿
They should invest in E-fuels.
$25 per liter .
@@universeisundernoobligatio3283 Yeah now, but once the process to produce it gets perfected it Will get alot cheaper.
Global plugin vehicle registrations were up 49% in February 2023 compared to February 2022. There were 812,000 registrations, representing 14% share (9.7% BEV share) of the overall auto market. This means that the global automotive market is in the Electric Disruption Zone. Year to date, the market share is now at 13% (8.7% BEV).
Who can afford to buy an electrical vehicles that costs between $39,498 to $189,000??????!!!! hundred of thousand of people have no food to put on the table, and go to foodbanks, when morgages are extended over 30 years amortizations because of the increase in morgage rates, when many Canadian work multiple jobs in order to afford the rent? Creating jobs is great but who can afford this kind of luxury car? Regarding polution the bigest polutors in the words are USA and China. Canadian should stop buying from USA and China if they really want a real environmental impact.
How many of your kids are going to work in a garment factory?
There has to be an EV that competes with sub compacts to really make them attractive economically as entry level vehicles. IMO. A new base Nissan Micro or Chevy Spark could be had for $10k just a couple of years ago. They're both unfortunately no longer available in Canada. It is still possible to get a Mitsubishi Mirage base model for $14k. I rented one recent. Very cheap on fuel and perfectly acceptable for basic transport.
Canada & the US are kind of outliers when it comes to affordable EVs. There are a lot of inexpensive options in Europe and Asia. (including some built by GM) Just not here.
$39K is less than most ICE vehicles
@@burntearth85Entry level sub compacts start at $14k in Canada. A couple of years ago one could get a base model Chevy Spark or Nissan Micra for $10k. That range of the market is unfortunately unserved by EVs. The average purchase price of new cars crept up over the last few years as interest rates plummeted and people could afford to finance larger more expensive vehicles. That's reversing and, personally, I think we're going to see a renewed demand for cheap sub compacts. Its not clear, today, how EV's will served that end of the market.
About time they did this. A win for everybody.
Your ignorance is showing
This is rare good decision by trudeau, it makes sense
Do you support the corrupt authoritarian Trudeau regime?
Top 10 reasons why you should re-consider purchasing EVs.
EVs is the biggest scam since Huwawii 5G. (1) power grid/lines can’t support energy load, Evs take. (2) powwr companies will continue to burn natural resources, the country will also sell the natural resources to other countries therefore there still being mined in remote area’s, still being mined with fosil fuels. (3) everyone’s homes need to upgrade their power outlets to support EV charging.(4) everyone will need fire protection on their homes= doubling their home insurance.(5) the EV will contain countless amounts of chips and cameras all effecting personal security. (6) if power companies still burn fosil fuels like natural gas or coal, then how green is an EV? (7) the cost of a gasoline or diesel truck is crowding the $100k , an EV truck is estimated $130k Canadian dollars, only just 20 years ago you could still mortgage a house for $130k Canadian. How can you justify the cost to pay off after purchasing? Veicles never increase in value, they always deflate in value. (8) solar power panel farms and wind generating farms all have countless maintenance and life expectancy of 10 years after construction is completed, they both take fosil fuels to produce, ship and deliver and erect and maintain. How green are EVs? (9) when will the mass population wake up, your being scammed, your buying a bomb on wheels, the batteries will erode or explode in extreme Canadian climate negative temperatures =price tag of $10-40k to replace all the batteries as often more then one will have the fluid over them. (10) Evs are 25-50% heavier on the road then gasoline or diesel powered veicles, this extra load on roads increase frequency of road repairs=tar/oil ashfault, along with increase in fatalities in accidents and therefore increase higher liabilities in insurance claims or premiums. I can go on and on. How green are EVs now?
My question is this: why does pollievre and the CPOC HATE electric vehicles and other climate change mitigation strategies so much?
Filling their pockets with petroleum kickbacks
He is realistic . How many Canadians CAN AFORD AN ELECTRICAL VEHICAL EXCEPT THE RICH? STOP BUYING MADE IN CHINA AND FOOD FROM USA and you will make a real impact on the environmemt.
I've never heard P.P. express any negative opinion about EV's. What has he said?
Because it creates competition for the fossil-sexuals
@@jptrainor just because you don’t know about it, doesn’t mean it ain’t true.