Is that N.I.N.A. in my hand? Kind of! Controlling the BEST ASTRO software from your smartphone!
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Could you please make a review on the new ToupTek
Astrostation smart device, that looks like ZWO Asiair but can controll all other brands.
I hope N.I.N.A will introduce a native mobile app for controlling the software remotely at some point in the future. Maybe even with 2 modes- Basic for easy setup and control and Advanced for more in-depth tuning.
That's true, it would be so nice if an easy mode existed
I asked on their Discord once (or twice). There were no plans for it when I was curious. It'd be awesome if they did though.
Basically a RDT plugin. RDT works fine 99.9% of the time...
They’d have to shell out for a $99/year developer account to create an iPhone app, which means open source wouldn’t really work well.
Where would we be without you, so helpful!
Glad it's helpful!
I've been doing this for a bit too, not so much for setup, but for checking in on things or polar aligning. Still, you taught me something "Tap-tap-drag" I've inadvertently done this many times without knowing the sequence that gave that behavior. Thanks!
Cuiv, A little contribution to getting a new wing (2 liner) 😉. Thanks for producing such helpful videos. 👍
Thanks! Or maybe a Sigma DLS ;)
Hi Cuiv, I just order the Mele computer to finally run NINA. Tonight I will do collimation of my RASA 8 based on your guide. I am printing a tri-bathinov mask for a fellow astronomer and am giving you my my earning from that. Thank you very much for all your hard work!
Oh wow, thank you so much for your support!! Have fun with your collimation and Mele computer :)
Great that you introduce this way to control NINA. 👍 I use my Android tablet to control my mini PC on the scope which is running NINA via Remote Desktop. On the phone I did not try yet as the smartphone screen is so tiny. In order to be ready to interact with the mini PC I have set up the Remote Desktop to it on my tablet and also paralell in all my notebooks and stationary PCs. Just in case. 😉
So no matter what I do while imaging I can always check what is going on without searching a specific device. Helps me being lazy. 😄
As the online DB for the framing assistant I downloaded the Sky Atlas Repository and the Framing Assistant Cache for NINA. This gives me instant update in the Framing Assistant and the Sky Atlas without any waiting time.
From all your videos I have learnt so much about astrophotography and especially about NINA plus running it on a mini PC. Thanks a lot for that! 🙏
Tablet is definitely better, and glad my videos have been helpful!
@CuivTheLazyGeek definitely your videos have helped very many of us. Maybe you are going to have the mood to make the one or the other N.I.N.A. video. Something around the Advanced Sequencer or so. Some bit more sophisticated topic. I am sure there is for many people room for improvement on this module.
There is a video about the advanced sequencer on the channel, it's a bit old but still gold 👍🏽
Starting with NINA on IPad made using it occasionally on the IPhone not too bad. It’s nice to check in and do simple stuff and get things started or make changes for sure.
Yep exactly!
I've been doing this for quite a while now, but I use an iPad instead of a phone. I find that I can zoom in/out if things are a bit small and the screen scrolls around following my cursor movements, so no need to 'fudge' the resolution. I works very well..
Same here. The only thing is it won’t clear the clouds.
That sounds like it works great too!
Thanks Cuiv, I had to do things a little different (with a password), but it works, and no more dragging my laptop outside for 3 point alignment and PHD2 focusing.
Glad this helped!
Activating Microsoft's Remote desktop in their home version is something I didn't know was possible, even though I watch a lot of computer techie videos. Thank you!!!!
Hopefully it works!
I have been doing this for a while now. When I initally polar aligned in the observatory I had to do this. Now have a portable 14inch 4k touch screen which connects to the mini pc via USB C. I leave it disconnected when using remote desktop from in the house, but when out at the rig or in the field I connect the portable screen. Draws the power it needs from the mini pc via the USB C cable. Was $110Au on Amazon
Thanks a lot for this. Didn't even know there was an official remote desktop mobile app. I'm going to be even deeper into the couch with this.
Being one with your couch is the goal of lazy astrophotography lol
@@CuivTheLazyGeek have you also tried "Chrome Remote Desktop"?
with the Google Remote App you can also remotely access a system which is running windows home, so no Pro version needed.
Using this for quite a while now, this is even what convinced me to change my phone for a bigger one.
With pushover notifications, this is a killer setup.
I have no doubt one day Nina will have it's proper app.
Please Cuiv, make the part 2: configuring all this to have it work via internet , when outside ( I'm a noob at port forwarding, routers, etc ...) 🙏
Ah right, via OpenVPN for instance
To work via Internet, or ANY network, you need a network. You dont need to do any port forwarding or configuring routers, just have the miniPC broadcast a wifi. Cuiv has at least 2 videos on doing so.
I regularly use RDP on a tablet. It's great, but I find for 3-point polar alignment the laptop is much better just for the bigger screen size and saves a bit of time when there are the inevitable "dramas". And the default image screen is quite busy and I actually like the default.
Great video Cuiv! Just tried it on my Galaxy S24 Ultra, worked great!
Great to hear!!
Thanks!
Wow, thank you!!
I'm biased some way, since I got my hands on a Lenovo Yoga laptop for free , which can be used as a windows tablet by folding the keyboard under and it has a touchscreen. Someone wanted to throw it away, because it didn't turn on and cracked at the hinges. But as far as screen size it's 13" (33cm) and such a perfectly sized device. Knowledge is power- such as fixing laptops and have them working fine. 😊
That's a great workaround!
Hi Cuiv, Good video and very informative. I’ve been doing this for some years now using both my iPhone and iPad. Cheers Steve
Great to hear!
Useful Video, I have been using this app on my iPad for a couple of years now, with NINA it’s excellent…also had it installed on my iPhone for 18 months too….👍🏻
Glad it was helpful!
Wow, that's a step forward. Thanks Cuiv.
Any time!
Thanks a lot Cuiv, I bought a meele miniPC, I am waiting for the arrive and want to apply this tutorial. I used to use a Raspberry PI with Astroberry, but I tested N.I.N.A and it is amazing. Regards from Chile and clear skys
Cheers, you'll love the mini PC!
Thanks Cuiv! Didn't know about that. Helpful as always!
Happy to help!
Fantastic news for us who work on non-zwo compatible cameras and focusers!
Hi Cuiv. I can control my eagle from my mobile phone via windows remote desktop but hardly use it these days because I find the screen and buttons on my phone to be too small, my eyes aren't what they used to be. If I need to adjust something while standing next to my scope then I will use my phone or tablet, but when imaging I transfer control to my laptop which also connects via remote desktop. Another thing I noticed was my wifi connection would usually drop out if I went back into my house with my phone, which of course doesn't happen with my laptop. Being able to control everything from your phone is obviously great if you are traveling to a dark site to image as you don't need to take a laptop. I still haven't got round to using N.I.N.A. yet, Sharp Cap V.4 does everything I need and is dead easy to use. For quick sessions using my grab and go set up, I just use an ASIAir mini, has to be the easiest way to control everything, so long as you are using ZWO equipment or supported mounts and DSLRs that is. Clear Skies
That makes sense! Also Sharpcap is really getting better and better :)
That's pretty cool, I was not aware that Microsoft had a mobile version of the RDP software. I normally use Chrome Remote Desktop on my phone, which I do like because I can zoom in by pinching the screen so I don't have to fuss around with resolution differences, but I will admit that it is quite a bit slower than true RDP. However, I will also say that the wifi signal in my yard is quite poor, so I have the mini PC connected via ethernet and some times I have to just turn the wifi off on my phone and use my cellular connection to interface with the PC, which is one advantage of using Chrome Remote Desktop
This is great, I've been using my Galaxy tablet to run Nina if I don't feel like getting out the laptop. I need a pen though to select options but very awesome.
Touch pen is a great idea!
I basically do the same method for controlling my rig. I use a tablet instead of the phone primarily because of a bigger screen.
I do occasionally run into two main issues.
The first, RDP every now and then crashes on the tablet or phone. Just reboot the tablet, make sure on same wifi, run RDP and Im back up and running.
The second problem I have to be careful. When re-connecting via RDP, like when I walked out of wifi range or the tablet was in sleep mode for too long, I will get a message saying that Im already connected, do I want to end that connection and sign on? DONT. Just reboot and re-run RDP on the device. If you do, it basically reboots the min -iPC and then gotta restart everything including setting up the sequence again.
Just completed this procedure to work on my tablet.
So much easier to perform a 3 star polar alignment using N.I.N.A on the tablet rather than having to take the laptop outside to watch it as I adjust the PA controls on the mount.
Cheers Cuiv! 🪂🌌👊
Awesome! Clear skies and good flights!
Thanks Cuiv.
Bought all my equipment and I'm on the threshold of this new adventure. I don't want to make any foundational mistakes. I was suggested PhD. I am confused by the number of software options. I will eventually want to explore Spectrophotometry so my tracking will be via a slit mirror. .. eventually but with a traditional scope for photography. I am using all ZWO .. a 120 for guiding in a Williams Optics 50 mm guide scope, on top of my IOptron RC8 with a FL of 1625. My mount is an EQ6 Pro and my imaging is an ASI 533 mono. I prefer free, open source software. Suggestions ?
So PHD2 for guiding together with NINA for scope control is free opensource, should be what you need!
hi aus nordgermany, schreibe dir in deutscht da mein englisch echt mist ist , danke für dein tollen videos, sind immer sehr informativ und sehr aufschlussreich,mach bitte weiter so,bis dahin clear sky
Thank you!
Yep I have been doing that with my iphone pro max for quite some time :)
However I decided to take a used ipad mini 5 (very cheap now) for a wider screen
Oh yeah iPad mini should be great!
@@CuivTheLazyGeek 10h of battery, bright screen, LTE model in case you still want to check things; it's now my go to and with remote desktop, I can get a file back on the ipad and process it with photoshop while imaging.. and just making sure I didn't screw up something 😅
Thank you mister lazy! Didn't know how to use RDP on Win Home.
To remote access I use guacamole, that lets me access my equipment (both to Win and Linux) through a browser everywhere, not only just while I'm home. It support RDP and VNC (and other protocols).
Also I'm using TightVNC on windows, that let me use something like RVNC on Android that let you zoom so you don't have a problem with the resolution (and it's easier to setup,I think, on Win Home)
I've been advocating for astrophotography applications on Android tablets and phones. The biggest issue is a usb3 input missing in Android parts. I use a surface pro 3 ($50 used) and it works perfectly because it's a hand held pc.
Native Android apps would be great
been doing this wiith my ipad mini for some time now. Good way to check and set up when i am on the fly or in the bedroom already :)
just looks funny sometiimes when i stand besides my Surface Pro (my Astro-PC) with another touch device
Great video as usual. I have been using the Google remote desk app for years. It's a lot easier to set up and works great.
Chrome Remote Desktop is great too! Although the image quality is less good
@@CuivTheLazyGeek I didn't know that, I'll have to try RDP.
I use the IOS version of Microsoft Remote Desktop on my iPad. Unfortunately, the floating keyboard is not supported from what I can see. It would be useful when making changes to fields where the keyboard covers that area of NINA. I sometimes accidentally move NINA panels in the image mode out of their spaces and have a hard time getting them back or resizing windows because of finger resolution and I end up going to my MacBook Remote Desktop session to make corrections. I have an ASIAir and I don’t find it works well with my AVX mount so I now use NINA.
That's unfortunate for iOS... :-(
Great tutorial, as usual. Thank you!
My pleasure!
I use to run team viewer from my phone controlling my remote telescope. It worked well but was a bit fiddly due through an iphone due to my Mars Bar fingers and then team viewer thought I was a business user so I have some issues sorting that out.
Thanks Cuiv. Not on this topic, but will you do a full usage review of your WD20? Guiding accuracy, errors, etc. would be good to know. And compare those things to the AM5.
Possibly yes
What about connecting camera to Android and stacking directly on the phone 🙂
It is works exceptionally well 🙂
I know I know I need to get to it ;)
Thank you for this excellent, instructive video, CLG! I too, control my rig using NINA running on a MeLE Quieter mini pc. Only I use a long, active, powered USB 3 cable from a hub to connent the mini so I can use a keyboard/mouse/display remotely. Using a mobile device will be far more elegant! This is worth a try.
Can you tell me, do I need a local WiFi network for this to work? Or can i just use the WiFi connection between my mobile device and MeLE to do everything? My dark sky location is remote and I won't have a home internet connection.
You can use the direct connection to the Mele hotspot!
So tempted to use this instead of an ASIAir for my travel rig... so tempted!
Hahaha sorry to make you wonder! The ASIAir is definitely a bit easier to use
I am using remote control via my tablet, too. But it's really time that some one programm an android app for NINA... would be really great!
That would be awesome for sure!
As well as Nina I run Stellarium. Unfortunately disconnecting from Remote Desktop causes Stellarium to crash / shut down. So now I use VNC.
I've been using kstars on a raspberrypi 4 like that for a couple of years now
Thanks for video. If somehow a Windows update is performed, it is necessary to update the rdpwrap.ini file. Without this, the RDP Wrapper service will not start, and remote desktop connection will not be possible.
Oh no... Windows can be really annoying...
Well did you find a likely cloudless area for the eclipse? Looks like we MIGHT get lucky and storms come a couple of hours after totality. Fingers crossed!!!
Love the hacker-ethic approach to passwords :)
Cuiv, you're a developer right? Have you read the book Hackers by Steven Levy?
Thanks man! I'm not a developer per se - I'll check out Hackers!
I'm still struggling with the 'no wifi router in the middle of nowhere' part. The Mele that's at the telescope- it needs to 'see' a wifi connection to create the hotspot right? Certainly I can't switch on hotspot without wifi coming on too; one wont work without the other. So I'm not clear from the video what connection the telescope PC uses once it's away from the home network. Can I just give it a hotspot from my phone, even if there's no data signal? Otherwise I think I followed everything else; I just haven't been able to cut the ties to my home wifi yet.
Am still learning to my telescope, go to mount and Sharp Cap. Expect to eventually use N.I.N.A..
You'll have fun with NINA in the end :-)
How do I ensure that the remote host PC does not get locked when I RDP in?
I've been using remote desktop for some time now. Use a mele overclock 3c and a 4c. My tablet is a 14" Samsung android.
There is an issue by which RD crashes. It drops the connection to your remote pc. It will try to reconnect but it will just fo this forever. You need to go into tablet system go to apps find RD click on it and hit force stop.
Go out and restart the app and reconnect which it does.
It's a known problem
That's interesting! I've seen this with the desktop rdp client, but not on Android... It's a bummer though...
I find RDP extremely useful! I am using it on iPad. Each time I connect from iPad I am asked to repeat user name and password. Don’t have to do that when connecting from my Widows 11 PC? How do I configure IPad to do the same? Thanks for your videos. I watch everyone!
I'm not sure about iPad as I've never owned one!
Cuiv, can you recommend a 2" rack and pinion newtonian focuser for my GSO 6" F/4 telescope? The Crayford focuser is too weak
Unfortunately no, I'm not an expert in that domain! I will soon have a video about a new focuser for the Quattro 150P
My setup is 200 feet from the House, when using a router does the router have to be connected to the internet for this type of setup to work? Thank You
Hello, I tried it many times from smartphone and tablet Android, but when I switch from one device to another one, I loose the NINA pop ups ( warnings or error pop ups usually displayed on the bottom right of the window). I have to restart NINA in order to recover these pop ups. It seems to occur when I try to display a NINA Session opened on a device with a given screen resolution (tablet for example) and switch to other device with a different screen resolution ( on a tablet or a smartphone ).
i hate that in nina you have to use another app to see the moon or stars. - so i went to the asiair . if u have all zwo equipment its kind of a no brainer but if not nina is fine and easy to learn and use
When I read the headline I thought it might be a special 1 april like the one "LockPickingLawyer" made haha 😀
I'm struggling as a beginner with NINA as all the videos seem to have an older version of NINA that doesn't correspond tro mine. Have you a beginners video on NINA using the current 11/24 version Cuiv? Patrean maybe?
This version is fairly recent though - shouldn't be too many changes. Otherwise one of my imaging live stream recordings could be interesting for you!
1:08 I lost my Team Viewer connection in the middle of a shooting run out to my RoR Obsy. and was fuming.
There were several emails back and forth, and about a month before it was restored.
But it just works. Windows, not so easy...
Yeah, TeamViewer is great.... When they don't block you!
Anydesk is SOOOO MUCH BETTER. You can adjust the quality of the stream based on your speed, can install on phone, computer or iPad, they are all compatible and easy to setup, boot on startup... Easy to use ...
I like chrome Remote Desktop just install it on all the devices you want to use it on and App Store on phone and that was it, don’t have to go into settings and mess with a bunch of things, just log on once and be on your way, the only thing I had to change in settings was to remove the mini pc log on password I had to turn off, so it will go like set up equipment, turn on laptop, turn on mini pc, on laptop go to the chrome remote desktop select the pc I want to control and then that’s it, when everything is done turn off laptop or exit the app and start using it on my phone while I’m at work to keep an eye on everything
Chrome Remote Desktop is excellent! But I find it less responsive in difficult network conditions!
I use Nina via an old (2013) IPAD via remote desktop. Perfect size and convenience.
Yes, I just got my Mele Q 4C set up with all the software including NINA 3.0. I'm using a Pegasus Astro Ultimate Power Box V2 and it's supply power to my Mele Q4C. Works pretty well so far. Got the hotspot set up on it as well. Having a small problem with the Dithering failing. PHD2 Note 1 error. Not sure what that is. I'm just going to run the wizard again and see if it doesn't fix the problem. I had to add Hocus Focus back in. Evidently there was a new update that required adding the plugin back in. Just waiting for a clear night. ;o)
Fingers crossed everything works for your next session!
I use the thig vnc server, its free and simple. And with that I bypass all windows anoyance. Then for the tablet/cellphone I use the real vnc viewer. Its amazing and really simple.
Have you tried astroberry? With Kstars on laptop/desktop
I have! Also Stellarmate
I thought you were going to say 'All that helps me broaden the scope of my.....scope' . Which may also be true 😁
😅
toujours aussi en pleine forme!
Toujours :)
When I click to log-in, I get an error that a time of day restricition is preventing me from logging on. What is that??
Check this! www.anyviewer.com/how-to/time-of-day-restriction-remote-desktop-2578.html
@@CuivTheLazyGeek thanks! I thought I had disabled the no password function but it was on my main PC not the Mele. Fixed!
Windows 11 home will not allow Remote Desktop , at least in US. You will be directed to upgrade to Pro for $99.
Even with RDPWrapper?
@@CuivTheLazyGeek No soap on trying a work around. Perhaps there is something to do to make it work.
I think it's another great tool in our belt for astrophotography. However, smartphone screens are a bit too small for these old eyes..😂 also, big hands and fat fingers don't help either. 😅 Great video, as always.
Yep, i think tablets are a good alternative
Voyager has had the ability to control the system from any web browser for years. No need to install anything. Just turn on the web server. I do not use it as I prefer to access my NUC with my laptop using a VNC connection.
AnyDesk works flawlesly.
Use a tablet instead of your phone, and you can actually see and read the PC screen, and click on those minuscule links and buttons.
True!
I've been using NINA this way for a couple years now with Team Viewer. 😂 😂
Windows is a hard nope for me here. Big points for Stellarmate for using Linux.
What find weird, even in 2024 are:
1) Why components don’t use only usb-c (power & data)
2) why laptop why arduino, if you have a powerful computer in your phone or pad
Yeah, very true! At least the Quieter 4C is decently powerful
👍👍
I use remote desktop on my firestick too so I have a big screen to check progress while in bed.
Checking progress in bed is excellent :)
@@CuivTheLazyGeek doesn't get any more lazy than that. You can pair a mouse with the fire stick to make it easier to control.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
A cheap tablet would work well too.
you make life complicated
Nah :)
That doesn’t look like Texas!
I'm now in Oklahoma, but I scheduled videos for you guys :)
Ich mag Deine Videos, aber es zu anstrengend, die Funktionen mit dem Smartphone auszuwählen. Das ist (für mich) nicht neu und kein Fortschritt. Sorry.
Sure it's not new, is that a problem?
dude go for a tablet!
That's too easy! Lol