So Neuvillette Just Leaked a Secret About Visions... (Genshin Impact)
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- Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2023
- In this video, we will take a look at Neuvillette's new character stories about visions. Ever since Raiden's voice line about visions, this is the next big reveal about the secrets behind visions in Genshin Impact. We will see how it changes our understanding of visions so far and what it might imply. I hope you enjoy the video :D
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Since there are too many assumptions about Furina's vision, please let me to explain it better-
Neuvillette did not personally grant Furina vision. It was granted through Celestia's automated process of taking powers from Authority holders and giving it to worthy beings in the form of visions.
After Fontaine's archon quests, Neuvillette obtained the Hydro Authority.
I found a new bit of information at the new tower, the community said on a report that visions are the worst that could happen to a person since visions trap the people's fate or something, I have really bad memory, I will bring the whole data when I have time to play.
But what is the explanation for the vision line in neuvillette's voice over? In that case?.
I think he personally granted her Vision, hers is different from all the others, hers has fangs holding the gem and the bottom part is different, also, celestia should be able to grant Hydro visions anymore since they lost the Hydro throne and the stolen authority it had.
He said he will continue grants people visions for those who is worthy. It's on his "About VIsion" voiceline, If I remember it correctly
@@illidanST7Fno his line means that now that he have the authority he can negate to celestia to use his authority for giving vision but since he acknowledge the will of humanity he will continue to grant celestia the use of his authority
So this means Furina's vision is special - in the sense it's not granted by Celestia, but by Neuvillette... and this means Celestia has no control over her. So in this way, Focalors truly did deceive the Heavenly Principles, and gave Furina her promised freedom.
Imagine that as the first Vision from Neuvillete he puts a tad too much power in Furina vision.
Meaning despite it being a Vision Furina can pull near god level feats despite just getting her vision.
Her vision got these 4 claw/tooth looke design holding the gem too. So all hydro vision with that design is given out by Neuvillette if we see one in the future
@@zelktheinvader7874 it doesnt have to, future hydro characters could have normal hydro visions from them receiving it before the events of 4.2
Celestia lost authority over hydro completely the moment focalors destroyed the hydro archons "throne".
As it sai's that they can't grant or deny. It's simply because Neuvilettes have the authority of that element. Furina's Vision is not special because she is only the first vision holder of that fraction of power that is now coming from the hydro dragon Neuvilette. Let us not confuse ourselves that Neuvi grants it because it is false. The criteria of having a vision still follows Celestia's requirement by writing that rule in Teyvat.
Neuvillette and Dainsleif are the only one who drops lore without asking the Traveller in a quest of a wild goose chase
People don't have information. but they can't make you sucka if they you that in the beginning. It's quite evil actually. knowing that you don't have the information Traveller seeks but making him save your whole nation anyway
nahida too actually
@@jordanmntungwa3311yeah archons are definitely evil. (Venti zhongli and raiden specifically) i actually think fatui are the good guys
Honestly I wish more people did that 😂
@@potatothings7223 more like the morally grey characters
Although their methods are harsh, they don't really plan on true destruction or chaos, but the main purpose is for them to fight "fate" and overturn the gods
The Archons on the other hand, actually does have dirt on them
Venti is one of the original seven and yet, he has no reason NOT to tell something that is useful
Zhongli is bound by a "contract" even though he doesn't have to fulfill it since he "retired" as an archon
Ei is...somewhat understandable, only her sister knows what happened but she doesn't, but what makes her as bad as the 1st 2 is the Vision Hunt Degree and abandoning her original duties
Nahida also doesn't know much but knows something that won't even make sense until later on where we would get full information (the fake skies), and most of the information on the irminsul about the missing sibling is all blurry which makes it hard to understand until further deciphering
Neuvillette reached Dainsleif levels of lore bombs so fast, it's amazing
Except unlike Dainsleif, he will become mostly irrelevant after we leave Fontaine like every important characters before him. Dainsleif is the only closely related to our most important task......finding our sister😅
@@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483 or maybe not man, in the future if we align with the "dragons" to maybe destroy Celestia in na sense we could see him being more used, but Dain still is the only lore hope we have haha
@@ViniciusSilva-ys1fpI agree, Neuvilette right now is as important as the archons if not even greater than them since he's the hydro dragon sovereign. He's definitely coming back in the future.
@@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483 He will be for a while, but he's for sure to come back. His final ascension voice line dictates he will be there to judge the heavenly principles when the time comes
@@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483 Skirk herself said they'd meet again. Then there's the fact that he's a sovereign dragon with full power... he'll have a role to play.
Furina is more than deserved to be personally got Hydro Vision from Neuvillette in his first day as the full Elemental Sovereign.
I'd think that Neuviellette only gave her the vision when she finally lets go and relent in still doing what she loved to do, and that is the opera, without having her former duty loom over her back and have her feel like her acting is not something for her once she attained her freedom.
In short, Neuvillette, on her first performance as a human, allows him to finally ascertain that Furina finally has found herself in her humanity and her newfound freedom, finally free from the burden of her duty.
@@Vekcrazah Quite frankly, Neuvillette cares a great deal about her and Furina and Focalors have changed his view on The Seven and humans. He still wishes to judge the archons, but he does not want to fight hem. He even said that all he will do, he will not endanger humanity. She did all of this, and probably as you said that when she finally came to terms with who she is Neuvillette gave her the vision.
You make it sound like he personally gave it to her in person. As we've already seen, that's not the case.
The process seems to be automated to an extent. I think Neuvillette does need to set aside some of his powers to be converted into Visions, but I don't think he decides or even knows who gets what. (Although it would be more romantic if he got a say in that, of course)
@@lazyremnant380 He does have the decision though, that is the thing. Maybe not directly, but he does have the choice to give it to a person. Keep in mind, Celestia has no control over Fontaine anymore, no control over the Hydro element and visions. I do not think he sets aside parts of his "power", since granting a vision does not decrease his power level even by a bit.
@@lazyremnant380in his story text it is stated that he "obeys no edict of the heavens [...] so he too set aside parts of himself"
So we know that he gives visions out himself.
From Furina's Character Story: Vision
"According to the script, she was not to take up the Vision that would appear before her as she disappeared, but instead allow it to fall into the ocean depths alone. But during the actual performance, a real Vision appeared, and it belonged to Furina.
Visions are usually objects that appear in response to *humankind's most fervent wishes,* but this one, in particular, seemed *more like a reward* for her past deeds."
An automated vision is given if a person's wishes/ambitions reached the heavens. But the fact that it is stated here that her vision is more of a reward for her previous deeds should tell us that the vision is given to her more personally.
Think about it, would celestia really reward her for destroying the hydro archon throne? For returning the authority back to the dragon sovereign? It would only make sense that it's Neuvillette who gave her the vision.
no, neuvillette reward her, he literally says this
there's no hydro throne and no hydro archon, the hydro authority belongs to neuvillette now, the authority of the element and the visions he gives have no connection with celestia or celestial principles anymore
You made one thing wrong. It wasn't Furina who destroyed the Hydro Archon Throne, it was Focalors. Sure, she took part in it but she was never aware of the plan therefore her resilience was nothing more but a proof of her humanity. And that, I believe, even Celestia will not ignore to reward. The thing is you have this grand idea that the entirety of Celestia is evil, and therefore everyone who sides with the archons is something they should be wary of but that's not often the case. Hence, I do believe that Celestia CAN and WILL reward Furina for her strong will. After all, it is not her who destroyed the throne. She only played her part.
So no, it doesn't make sense for Neuvillette to give her vision. Visions were only a thing AFTER the archon war. None had visions when the dragons ruled Teyvat, if there was- it would've been mentioned in the Enkanomiya Books which had writings from the culture of the world before Primordial One.
That "seemed" is kinda throwing a wrench in the "Her vision was intentionally given by Neuvillette" explanation.
Because it feels like it is written like a narrative, and how she feels like the Vision is a reward for the work she's done.
Because her entire story still fits the struggle and breakthroughs of previous Hydro vision bearers. Her realising how acting, "putting herself on the stage", as it were, is how she can benefit those around is very similar to Barbara, Candace, Kokomi, Ayato, Yelan, Nilou.
Yes Neauvillette could have chosen to reward Furina with a Vision, but I'll need direct confirmation for that. Because as it is, Furina's actions fits the general mold of previously shown Hydro recipients.
her vision has dragon claws. neuvilette gave it to her
Only seemed like it. It was still in response to her wish. We even see this in the play itself.
"But what about your wish?"
"My...wish?"
She may have been playing a role on stage but that question is something she took more personally. She wished and in the end she received an answer.
Neuvillette pretty much gaved us a lot more information, It was all thanks to him that we knew more about the Gnosis and what Celestia is attending to do.
Technically we learn about gnosises and traveler being some kind of walking gnosis from skirk
@@justarandom_guy3854I could also give credit to Skirk as well, she is most likely important to the game's future so I can expect to see her around maybe during Natlan or Snezhnaya, I believe Snezhnaya is a better example that we see her again because she is a mentor to Childe so...
Skirk gave this info to only neuv and he still told us, he's so nice
@@ArchonKujo She might also be to become a playable character. the abyss element after all nations are completed.
@@canyouthefandango3220 Don't forget Dainsleif.
It’s amazing how our perspectives of Visions, Gnosis and their sources change with each region released. Can’t wait for whatever lore drop Natlan has in store for us, it’s the most mysterious nation so far.
fr, we have so little info about Natlan I'm getting excited already waiting for its release lmao
Time to wait for a WHOLE year again😞😞
But I think it would be worth it just like Fontaine.
it's already 3 years but i'm still excited what thruth is the pyro archon gonna reveal to us. I hope its mind blowing
Think of it as only 6 more versions left, each version dosent feel thaat long does it
@@Laban540frickuwhoevertooklabanwhen you put it that way... yeah it's not that long 🤔
Considering how kind and gentle Neuvillette is, I think it's very fitting that the first person he would give a Vision to is Furina. It's like his way of giving her more power to do what she please with her freed life.
The kindness of Neuvillette and Focalors is going to be a very big contrast compared to the land of war Natlan... It does show how serene water can be though, I like it.
Edit:
I just thought of something. Vision bearers finishing their duty returns a fraction of the Primordial One's authority over Teyvat, isn't that just like how Archons derive their power from the faith of their people?
From how Fontaine Archon and world quests perform, it's similar to Honkai main story focusing on Seele, due to the concept of duality, the sea/ocean in the metaphorical sense, and Death/Rebirth. Neuvillette, Furina, and Focolor hold many similar characteristics as Seele, both light (original, later on awakens as Herrscher of Rebirth) and Dark (Stigmata self Veliona).
The Hydro authority is Genshin's equivalent of the Herrscher authority of Death/Rebirth due to its similar capability. Neuvillette feat of saving the Fontaine people, allowing them to become actual humans is similar to Seele using the herrscher authority of Rebirth to create new bodies for the souls trapped within the twin bubble universes. Both cases involve the phenomenon of consciousness retention (Primordial Waters retain the dissolved Fontaine humans consciousness, the twin bubble universes keep the souls within). Both authorities needed roundabout methods to attain, which also involves gathering energy at a focus point (imaginary singularity and energy within the Ortice)
I was honestly confused about how Furina got her vision, considering Focalors completely eradicated her place in Celestia. But it's actually reasonable if Neuvillette granted the vision to Furina instead.
I'm just confused about one thing - can Neuvillette actively grant visions or is it the same as before, that it's simply given out to people who are ambitious enough?
I think it's more he set aside fragments of his power to those worthy of getting a hydro vision and she was one of those worthy.
So does this mean that celestial now know that they were fooled by focalor, and also why would nuevillette help primordial one by granting others visions because nuevillette wanted to judge the primordial one in the end right ?
It is the same as before tye differnce being Neuvillette can probably know who the wish belongs to since the wish doesnt need to pass through celestia first -- it just goes straight to him
@@mathewgeorge121 I think they might not know about him granting visions specifically because if you look at Furina's vision it has a completely unique design compared to every other Fontaine vision, which suggests it came completely from Neuvilette without Celestia's influence
New lines about "vision" in his character profile:
"Neuvillette obeys no edict from the heavens, but he does acknowledge human will. So he too set aside parts of himself, as like unto the dragon- treasure hoards of old, awaiting valiant humans to come and claim them."
I feel like whatever we're gonna learn about Celestia by the end of the game is going to be terrifying. The game's basic lore started out as deceptively simple, but the more we learn, the stranger it becomes, and the gods seem less and less powerful with each region. We thought they may turn out to be secretly evil because of the demon names, but they actually look like tools shoved between Celestia and the dragons whose powers they stole. I'm pretty sure Tsaritsa's plan is not going to be so 'evil' in the end. We definitely need to learn more about Venti and Zhongli, I hope for Venti's 2nd story quest before the end of 4.x.
Fontaine's current situation has made it clear that Genshin Impact is not black and white when it comes to good and evil. I think Tsaritsa's plan does have malice in it. Maybe even desires to take over Teyvet with vengeance. Maybe the dragons will try to rise and take over Teyvet of the Dragon King comes back or maybe the Abyss will bring Khaenri'ah back and take over Teyvet.
IT'S HONKAI IMPACT ALL OVER AGAIN UUUUUUGH- (Paimon brain boom)
I feel like the tsaritsa has two outcomes to her plans:
Path 1: She overthrows celestia, becoming the entire ruler of teyvat and watches over the world.
Path 2: she destroys celestia, abolishing visions and Celestia's influence so teyvat has no God to rule it. This would give the sovereigns full power again to take their world back, since it belongs to them
Celestia has been built up as the big bad, Khaenri'ah and the Abyss Order as tragic underdogs, and Tsaritsa as a well-intentioned-extremist we're only clashing with because they are so desperate they fully subscribe to "the ends justify the means" for ages now.
What I'm much more curious about is the Descenders. We are the 4th. We know the 1st was the Primordial One, and we know that the 3rd was made into the Gnoses. So, the question is this: was the Traveller's sibling the 2nd descender (doesn't make much sense, since it would mean they fought against the Primordial One 6k years ago, which doesn't gel with their role in Khaenri'ah 500 year prior to the game's start) or the 3rd (which doesn't make much sense, because the Gnoses were handed out after the Archon War, which happened 2000+ years ago, which also doesn't gel with their role in Khaenri'ah). So yeah, confusing stuff.
@@Horvath_Gabor khaenri'ah isn't as innocent as we are led to believe. Remember that they had no god and still tried to surpass that limit with the abyss. Also with rhinedottir's creations attacking all of teyvat BEFORE khaenri'ah was destroyed. Neither side is innocent.
Whats interesting is that the recent lore is huge yet feels so small in the grand scheme of things. It answers few questions but creates more questions.
Same. After seeing Neuvillette regain his title as the Hydro Dragon Sovereign makes me wonder, where are the other Dragon Sovereigns? Specifically, I have not heard a single peep about the whereabouts of the Electro Dragon Sovereign, other than "might be in Natlan" for some reason???
thats the fun part. for every answer we get 10 more questions arise
@@dandarr5035do you know the sea between Sumeru and Inazuma, the purple sea
between port orman and Watatsumi island, that is where electro dragon reside
@@nah131 I heard that the electro dragon is big
apep is the dendro dragon sovereign, right?
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That reminds me of the "Indemnitium" energy that is produced by the Oratrice by gathering people's belief in justice
Perhaps, when the Vision user completed their ambition, a similar kind of energy is generated in Celestia's "system"
I was thinking the same thing. They wouldn't have incorporated the indemnitium plot line if it wasn't foreshadowing how people's fait/ambition power something on a bigger scale.
What I love about Furina’s story quest is that it’s highly suggested that Neuvillette gave her her vision himself as a reward for her phenomenal performance and to give Furina’s final act on stage a happy end. It’s really apparent that Neuvillette has come to care for humanity, Fontaines, and especially Furina since learning about her suffering. Even though it was all in Focalors’ successful plan to fool the heavily principles to use his connection to humanity as her advantage, it’s a beautiful thing to see Neuvillette still care so much about others and be so selfless knowing just how much he’s been through.
I think the reason why Neuvillette gave Furina her vision is to not only reward her for her phenomenal resolve and act, but to also give her a way to protect herself in facing her future as a human head-on. She’s ran from countless battles because she knew she was only human, playing a part of a god, and Neuvillette knows how tired she is of that act. Neuvillette cares for Furina, so he would want her to be able to protect herself. What makes Furina’s vision more special is the dragon teeth detail, further proving Neuvillette gave her the vision. Furina’s story is the most beautiful and most sorrowful story in all Fontaine, it can be said it’s only justice that Furina’s story gets a happy end, receiving a real vision.
TL;DR I love that it’s suggested that Neuvillette gives Furina her vision and the details that prove it, it’s truly special. It’s the justice that Furina deserves ❤
Wow I didn’t notice the dragon teeth design😳😳😳🩵🩵🩵huhu Neuv is such a big supporter of Furina im proud of those two🩵🩵🥺
Some forgot about " Rana " girl in Aranara quest. She also got vision even as a simple NPC person.
she was the first, tham wonderer and now furina
Many many, inazuma npc and normal people were confirmed to have visions
So we were right the first time around and Raiden threw us in for a loop.
In truth, Archons and those who have the Dragon Sovereign Authority are the source of the vision but Archons have no control over it.
Which also means she was right, since she had no control over it, she had no idea that the Electro Visions were not spreading in other parts of the world anymore.
One can think of the Archons as a battery source, but "some other power", probably Celestia or the like, is the crafter and distributor of the device (vision).
Archons just happen to be a very powerful elemental energy source.
But they do have some hand in it then if it was true
Assuming its final decision is by Celestia or automation, the part remains that Archon is duty bound to share fragments of their power.
So Raiden during that period was no longer interested in fulfiling it, rather taking it away. So she wasnt accepting of sharing her power. So no Electro visions were granted then...
Or because she no longer held onto the Gnosis, it doesnt do the function of separating the user powers.
This explains massively on why Traveller has abilities very similar to the Archons.
Since whatever the Gnosis does and the 7 statues, Traveller is getting the portion of their power, but in the closest sense via the 7 Statues
so the celestia is making it but is made from the archons, am i getting that right?@@blackkat101
That would also explains now why the hydro traveler have kit that's portion to neuvillete and not furina.@@Vonmoonlight
@@Vonmoonlighti mean bunty the fart didn't have the anemo Gnosis when Wanerer received his vision... So this theory is false
Raiden not giving out visions still remains a big plothole
Now this changes what Raiden Ei was Planning with the Vision hunt Decree and putting those Visions on the Statue.
She was defying Celestia at the time so what if, she was Planning to Harness those Visions power for herself to eternally Preserve Inazuma. We thought she was using those vision to contact the god of time but what if there was more?
Perhaps she planned to trap the entire nación of Inazuma in the plane of Euthymia were her people will live forever.
I doubt it. From a few lines of Inazuma AQ act 3, and -some text- a voiceline from Raiden's character demo, it seems that Raiden was actually trying to allign with Heavenly Priciples and their ideals. Yae even mocks her about it during their conversation: "Heavenly Principles? Irrelevant nonsense as far as I'm concerned."
The part where it says that Usurper couldnt supress the natural(original) order of this world due to loss of his absolute authority likely refers to some retaliation from the Elemental authorities he took from the Dragon Sovereigns which he couldnt control
"To continue to subdue and control the resentments and loathing of the world, the usurper and the one who came after created Gnoses" - In order to subdue the elemental authorities to his will, he then created the Gnoses, which we now know are highly compatible with elemental energy, you could also say they are a means to contain the elementsl authorities.
But the Gnoses still werent enough to fully supress the authorities, so they had to tie them to specific entities - archons, and as such Celestia incentivized archon war, untill only seven archons remained.
After this the only manifestation of elemental authorities left were visions, which were granted whenever person's ambition was high enough and was coinciding with that of the appropriate archon's ideals. Since Ei's ideals after creating Sakoku and Vision hunt decree were in line with that of Heavenly Principles, no electro visions have been granted during that time period (and we know stasis is something Celestia wants because whenever a nation advances too much technologically, they get Tevyatian version of nuke on their doorstep).
from reading this im getting the impression, that the one that made humans accidentally made them too powerful and was like. fuck! go back!! go back!!@@vukkicos5688
Noone thought she was gonna try to contact the god of time with the vision statue. It seemed she didnt know of the god of time as she just call it "a higher power".
That's actually a good take on inazuma. Ei DOES takes matter in her own hands all the time, so It kinda makrs sense for her to be the one to give an eternity of stasis to her people
Childe’s case is extremely interesting then.
So it’s probably confirmed that Childe has completed his “duty” when it comes to his Vision and that’s why it deactivated.
I wonder what his duty was??
Since his vision deactivated before encountering the All-Devouring Narwhal. Skirk mentions Childe has traces of “it” and decides to take him in as a disciple after that… We also don’t know what that implies but might be connected.
In general I think Childe will play a much greater part in this story as one of its actual most important characters from now on. Especially when name bombs like Surtalogi were dropped by Skirk - I cant wait
Very interesting thought. Wasn't it lit up again when the Traveler handed it back to the Knave?
Maybe his duty was to bring the Narwhal to bring and end to Fontaine, but now that Fontaine is still standing, he is duty bound again.
@@izanagiuzumaki7325 No it wasn’t lit up again. The traveler handed it back to the Knave while it still had no power. That’s the whole thing that makes it interesting
it didnt deactivate at all though? like, as shown in the video, we *know* what deactivated visions look like due to Kazuha having Tomo's vision. they are completely empty crystals with no elemental insignia. yes, Childe's vision seemed to malfunction when we met him in Fontaine for the first time, which *is* itself a point of interest, but it never at any point came to look like Tomo's deactivated vision. during the cutscene where Childe's vision 'malfunctions', it actually glows abnormally brightly and then returns to normal, rather than it glowing at a baseline and becoming dull or empty. you can compare his vision before and after the malfunction to see they appear exactly the same. it also appears normally throughout all other scenes, including when the Traveler gives it to the Knave. i agree that the behavior of Childe's vision is of interest and probably plot relevant, but it definitely didnt deactivate or lose power.
It was because a creature of the Abyss was taking him over. He essentially had a whale-shaped parasite growing inside of him (which was why Skirk trained him) and we all know that Abyss creatures aren’t well liked by Celestia. Childe’s body was becoming more Abyss than human when we saw him, so that canceled out him using Hydro powers. If you get eaten by the narwhal during its boss fight, you gotta fight something it’s controlling inside of it... Which is Childe.
He told us to hold on to it for him, so we did. Since we beat up the multidimensional whale and helped him out, he should be able to use it again. Plus, Visions that were taken and put on the statue in Inazuma weren’t glowing either because they were separated from their owners
@@MetaGiga where are we getting the info that the humanoid monster inside of the whale is Childe? what you're saying could make sense but it seems like a theory.
regardless, it doesnt refute that Childe's vision did indeed remain activated. it never became empty like Tomo's did. like i said, the absence of active glowing doesnt mean the vision is deactivated; its not the same thing. we know of a couple reasons why visions glow: 1. when they resonate with elemental energy, and 2. when they resonate with a strong ambition. Childe's vision glowing abnormally *is* new, and therefore notable. but a vision not glowing doesnt really mean anything bc they dont constantly glow. you can see the differences between a vision glowing, not glowing and being deactivated really well in the cutscene where Kazuha parried the Musou no Hitotachi, which was shown in the video. both his anemo vision *and* Tomo's electro vision were glowing very brightly, but after the parry, they both stopped glowing. only Tomo's deactivated completely. Kazuha's vision was still there, it just wasnt actively glowing.
the visions on the Statue of the Omnipresent God *were* activated tho? in the cutscene where the Traveler meets Raiden and rescues Thoma from having his vision confiscated, you can see that the visions inlaid in the statue are colorful. when Itto's vision was confiscated, they also found his vision on the statue, still activated. again, they don't glow constantly. but thats different from deactivation.
It’s whoever has the authority of the element. Depending on the ideal you resonate with, explains why Ei closed her path up to potential vision bearers without realizing it.
Neuvilette is the dad that protects furina in the shadows and granted her a vision and in a way furina's vision is special considering that her vision changes when she uses her charge attack
@@otigev2052 nope neuvilette is the second water dragon of sovereign he's probably older that most archon maybe he's reclusive and was founded by focalors and invited him to be the iudex in fontaine
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@@otigev2052
No, Neuvilette became Chief Justice around the same time as Futuna’s ascension. He supposedly had lived well before that.
Yall really need to stop saying Neuvi is Furina's dad, especially after Ashikai made that stupid observation. It just tell me your interpretation of the characters are completely wrong. Do you need to be remind that it is Furina that push Neuvilette to interact and understand humanity? Redo Neuvi's story quest, I beg of yall.
@@otigev2052there is no concrete evidence of who is older. Neuvillette wasn't born the day he became chief justice smh. Who knows how long he lived before he got hired.
you let out the part that the primordial one and the second one who came, both used the third descender to make the gnoses. So either they worked together after their fight, did it my accident, or the third one told them to use him
But if the second hypotesis is true this means that the one that used the third is the second one who came because than the third would'nt be the successor of the one doing it
neuvi told us both of them used the third to create the gnoses@@massimilianoreali4398
You're absolutely right. It was never previously confirmed who came out victorious between the Primordial One and the Second Who Came, we only had an assumption from the scribe of Istaroth in Before Sun and Moon that the Primordial One won. But from Neuvillette's story we see that the Second Who Came actually wounded the Primordial One in battle in such a way that caused them to lose their absolute authority, and the two had to have made a compromise together to create the "new order" that was established. The new order was that humans would "only possess these seven remembrances", and "all fragments of the primordial were driven to devour each other". This very likely refers to the Archon War.
But what would cause the Primordial One and the Second Who Came to work together like that? Perhaps the Third Descender was a common enemy between the two that they had to eradicate to maintain their new order.
@@justinbailey1669Or a doom fate that teyvat need to be prepared of
Well, I do believe that the Archons also involved with granting a vision. Because, if we read Hat Guy vision story, there's a little hint that the one who granted his vision is Venti.
you mean wanderer😭
@@Qanos He have to much name 😅 So I prefer Hat Guy 🤣
@@renn4301 Hat Guy = Hot Gay :D
@@Qanos That's not a name 😄
@@randompersonontheinternet1038 it is, Nahida uses it in the darshans event to refer to Wanderer
This looks like, in order to get a vision. You must have to complete a hidden quest that has criteria checklist on it. If you complete all the list marks correspond to a certain element, you will get a vision.
That mean the theory we joke about dead friend = anemo or contradiction = cryo or passionate = pyro; etc, might to true.
It shows up well for most. Hydro units judge the world through their own strong moral code. Dendro units find ounces of truth hidden in otherwise common public knowledge. Electro units preserve something truly dear to them (for eternity).
I just cant analyze geo units that well.
@@amandaslough125 Lol it's funny you mention that, just the other day I was looking through different characters' vision stories to find common themes between the elements and geo was the only one I couldn't make sense of. If anything, the most common theme was that most of them didn't even particularly want visions.
@@justinbailey1669 strong will perhaps. Itto isn't the most intelligent bloke, but he is stubborn and tends to do things he sets his mind to. Noelle is hellbent on becoming a knight and desires to help people to a fault. Gorou is the general of an army staging a rebellion against the rule of possibly the most powerful archon at present. I don't think you could argue that Ningguang or Navia aren't driven individuals. I honestly don't know enough about Albedo or Yun Jin to comment on either of them though.
Pyro visions hold the concept of legacy and inheritance. Based on the character stories, Pyro vision holders ambitions are linked to parental/mentor figures. This also fits Murata's Honkai counterpart Himeko, as their family figures are inspirations of their paths. Unfortunately, HI3 Himeko abandoned her ambition as a space researcher after her father's death, which was expanded in Alien Space. Star Rail Himeko was able to fulfill the ambition after repairing the Astral Express, later on under Welt's protection due to the Sky People and Aeons threat.
Fun fact: furina's vision has little fangs around the element thingie because neuv gave it to her also she got it as a reward instead of an ambition cuz it says that is her vision story wich all points to neuv having consciously given it to her
Vision being a power lend over by Celestia for a human to complete some duty celestia wants actually make complete sense of what Zhongli said, that means your ambition must not only strong but also alligned with celestia interest for you to receive a vision
The answer to this lies in Gnosticism the game is heavily inspired from. In Gnosticism three levels of human consciousness exist Pneuma Hyllic and Psychic.
Hyllic is the lowest form of being I believe those to be the Hillichurls they possess no ability to ascend instead they become less human after death. Psychic are people that have potential they have a strong will and ambition, they are partially intiated humans. I believe those to be vision bearers. Finally we have the Pneumatic those "have the ability to escape the immaterial world via gnosis" Ring any bell? I believe those are the Descenders
The issue is that vision wielders don’t do much in terms of the plot. For example, what would celestia need for someone like Bennett?
@@BabyGirlTiny Bennett is cursed with unfortune and is most likely tied to Celestia in some form. Visions is more like a test to see if you can ascend to godhood. Every vision wielder has a purpose to fullfill as a first test to enlightment. I think they are using visions to control fate in Theyvat whatever that is good or bad is probably complex. Suppose they did NOT control fate, humans have proven to seek out forbidden knowledge and more or less ruin heavenly order all by themselves.
@@BabyGirlTiny or someone like keqing who hates the gods?
Also read Xiao's Vision story, it's outright said that Visions are "acknowledgement from Celestia"
looking back neuvi insisted that furina should go back on stage and when he finally watched her performance he just decided to give her a vision.. he still cares for her I see 😭😭😭
Interesting theory. Looks like Celestia is also collecting some kind of "Indemnitium".
I love That they gave us such a lore drop in a Character Story Line. And That after this lore drop of a AQ
I honestly never knew that this information would actually start changing the cycle of what it means to be Gods and all this information leads to what Neuvillette has shared, like damn... This is getting a lot more interesting.
If you've done the recent Narzissenkreuz quest you may have stumbled upon a certain note that reads ...To excise the self is not to die, but rather to die before death. That way, there is no life to be ended. Thus may one achieve eternity. This step is vital, for by this, may one avoid receiving a Vision by some error. To receive a Vision to sell oneself to the "fate" of this world to Heimarmene, and to evermore lose the chance to walk the correct path.
So we can say that Gnosis are basically the original Visions, and this is the reason why people of Teyvat receiving Visions. But why Skurk said Gnosis gonna bring misfortunes🤔 Also, we can't forget the Ascension of Vanesa in to Celestia. In Manga seams describing Celestia as a Prison.
Skirk said that holding into the remains of a dead person brings misfortune, and ya, every Vision wielder has the potential to become a god, but becoming a god doesn't sound that great
@@Nick-Terakidan That would mean Tsaritsa would want to have them all to trigger such misfortune, perhaps the Heavenly Principals attention or something.
@@Grafii2198she might try to assemble all elemental ancient dragons like Neu and release the original power gnosis to return
I imagine Neuvilette and Furina have a very strong bond, having been friends for 500 years. People would have come and gone but they the only ones still around all that time. Can only guess what sort of friendship that would make
Neuvillette never suspected furina's "Un-archon like" deeds or behaviours not once in 500 years
And literally anything could've went wrong if neuvillette decided to not help the humans (humans are the creation of the very being that wiped neuvi's entire race)
Yet my bro still saved everyone
True homie
This game's story reminds me more and more of Elden Ring. The Heavenly Principles are quite a bit like the Greater Will; A being from another world that comes down and takes the title of god, appointing certain rulers/archons after a huge war (war against the giants/archon war). Focalors reminded me of Ranni in the way she worked against that god through underhanded methods. The All-Devouring Narwhal was pretty similar to the Elden Beast visually even though I don't think there was any story connection between them. A vision could be compared to grace, a manifestation of somebody's ambition. In Elden Ring, grace is shown to those with ambition to become Elden Lord, similar to how Genshin's vision bearers have the ambition to fulfill their "duty" and give something to the gods.
Genshin basically elden, souls lore mixed with extra
"the heavenly principles are quite a bit like the Golden Order, a being from another world that comes down and takes the title of god"
Wait, no, that's not the Golden Order, that's called the Greater Will
The neat part is Genshin predates Elden Ring's release by a while. I've had my own writing compared to stuff I've never played/watched/seen, so... It kinda stands to reason it goes for them too. Between looking at more Dark Souls/etc and just, possibly sharing some similar ideas and sentiments... the two writing teams basically hit on similar ideas. Poetic coincidences are fun~
@@shanedoesyoutube8001 I suppose you could see the Golden order as the archons then or the people worshipping celestia
@@cubalibre-5238 that would be the empyreans specifically
Times like these are when I just can't wait to have a Dainsleif quest because they always tell a lot about Teyvat one way or another and we're slowly approaching that point again
There’s a note in the Narzissenkreuz ordo that says to receive a vision is to sell oneself to the “fate” of this world- to evermore lose the chance to walk the correct path.
Assuming that vision comes the celestial god and not the one from a sovereign dragon. Furina may truly be free?
TBH thanks to Apep it's obvious the second who came was NOT a descender but actually Nibelung the Dragon King after he left teyvat to find help to win against the first who came (and he brought abyssal powers/forbidden knowledge). So we don't actually know who is the second or the third descender.
I might be confusing things here but why would the Nibelung be the "second who came" if they were originally from Teyvat? Also, "the second who came" literally implies they are the second descender. But that aside, the second who came helped Phanes to make the gnosis answer why on earth would Nibelung do that with his enemy?
If that was the case, shouldn't Neuvilette feel a connection or familiarity to the Gnosis if Nibelung is the Dragon King of the Sovereigns?
Apep implies that the dragonking became something else after obtaining forbidden knowledge. And that Apep tried to fight the corruption of the Abyss in order to save her king from whatever made him mad. Apep is said to have swallowed Deshret after he obtained forbidden knowledge, now the details of this is very vague. But it is possible that the dragonking ordered Apep to swallow Deshret in order to control that power to fight the Heavenly Principles. By now Nibelung knew that nothing they possess stand a chance of winning. However it is also very suspicous that the "Sinner" specifially says creature, implying he is NOT human or never was, he is also not a god, and dragons hated gods. "creature I am no god I am but a sinner" It is not common to use creature unless you see yourself as a different species.
So those are the two clues in that dialogue for the Sinner to in fact be Nibelung a weakened version or whatever he became after obtaining forbidden knowledge.
@@alexanderericson8628 They are clues that the sinner is Nibelung but not that the sinner/Nibelung is a descender or the second who came
@@Elrog3 I agree I did not pay attention that's what he was saying. But it can become kind of interesting if the Abyss Heralds were former dragons the Abyss Herald we meet before meeting the Sinner, specifically says an "audience" now I don't know about you but that sure sounds like he is their King. There is also some kind of connection to the traveller since the travellers abilities resemble the sovereigns we know that now and not the Archons. Meaning the traveller is much more related to the dragons than Celestia.
So is this why Ei and the Shogun where gathering visions? To gather power or to stop power to go to the Principe's? Was the original plan something like use all the visions to do something with the statue? Since we never got to hear what that full plan was. Ei seems to constantly be under restrictions of what she can actually tell us, so might have had a plan for all that power. But when she saw the wishes (her ultimate and constellations seem to all about wishes and desires) of her people she had to rethink what ever the plan was. Which caused the Shogun to go "The fk you think your doing?", that lead the Shogun's programing to into test (I need to check your sure about changing this plan) mode. Which would make sense that Ei is currently going "Okey i need a new plan since this ain't going to work, need a new plan to protect the people"
Aren't vision primitive gnosis so if a vision is a primitive gnosis (this does not mean vision came before the gnosis but that visions are more simplistic and thus weaker versions of the gnosis) whatever snezhnaya is doing with the gnosis is probably what Ei wanted to accomplish using vision and because visions are primitive gnosis it would take multiple visions to grant the same power that 7 gnosis can, also if the gnosis are the remnants of the third descender (at least the hydro gnosis is) the vision are just gnosis without the third descenders remnants or they could be remnants of another descend or maybe the primordial one who might just be a descender itself.
@@Tomy_Lightning I wouldn't say that they want to do the same thing, their outlooks and ideals are extremely different. Ei's plan seems to be to protect her people and make sure they live on and the Heavenly Principles don't merc them.
While miss frost archon seems to be more hostile in mind for the Principles and the world order.
One protect and one attack from what it seems like.
@@Teh10Sorrow I meant it as in the porpoise of whatever they were making is the same but used in a different way.
The visions are translated to "gods eyes" in CN the legend is that with a hundred god eye statue you can transcend now if you look at the statue it sure looks like eyes upon it. I believe Ei tried to ascend the entire Inazuma into eternity. Yae Miko pointed out that what is the point of doing that if all the humans she govern are no longer human, However I don't think this is the reason Ei decides to abandon her plan it was one of the reasons but not entirely. When Kazuha managed to meet her blade is the only thing that actually surprises Ei in any meaningful regard. This is when she realises that her own people still have spirit and that Inazumas destiny is far from over.
If Furina's Vision was granted by Neuvillette, then that means that control over an elemental Authority Is needed to grant Visions in the first place and since Focalors destroyed Celestia's hold of that Authority by destroying the Hydro Arhon's throne, then he was free of granting It to her.
This may imply that the other thrones need to be destroyed and the Authorities seized for someone to specifically grant Visions
This confirms that Zhongli was there before Humanity. Damn, he's old af... Is he, a subordinate of the Primordial One? 🤔
I think the visions force humans into a contract where they gain power in exchange for freedom. The gnoses seem to be a contract between the gods and Celestia, granting them power but also making them subservient, and Skirk referred to them as a "god's curse". A lot of this is reflected in visions, referred to as a type of contract by Zhongli, where a person receives power to pursue a set ambition but immediately locks their fate (constellation) to that ambition. Interestingly though, humans whose visions are taken from them will lose part of their identity and memories (perhaps because the contract is broken?).
As ambition and willpower are able to change the world, perhaps Celestia grants visions to humans so that they won't use that ambition to rebel against the divine but instead maintain the world order. I don't think the vision-holders are granting power to Celestia directly, but instead acting as unknowing enforcers of Celestia's will now that the Primordial One is weakened. They think the gods blessed them, while in reality Celestia locked their fate and forces them to bend to their will. This is probably why Skirk refers to the gnoses as a "curse", the gods are bound by contract to serve Celestia, similar to vision-bearing humans. This is just speculation by the way
That is pretty much spot on what I believe. That would mean that Childe at current moment in the game has no memory of who he was. He seem to know that he should fight the whale, but if his vision stopped working he may very well have forgotten who he was all together.
I was waiting for your interpretation about this!
I thought Ei's voicelines and Neuvillette's character story contradicts each other about who's in charge of giving Vision, but I guess it can be explained in terms of producers (Archons or Sovereigns), distributors (Celestia) and consumers (Vision holders).
If you listen to "Overture of Storms" - which, is the OST where we fought Sustainer of Heavenly Principles, the lyrics is as follow;
"Visa caeli,
Vasum vicit diva
Visa, vita,
In satiati vasum vicit diva!"
If we translated it eloquently, the lyrics is as follows ;
"O [Holder] of the Vision of the Heavens, the vessel hath been defeated.
O Bearer of the Vision of Life, the vessel hath been defeated [in satisfaction]!"
As we know, the Primordial One has Four Shining Shades - one of which includes 'Life'. And strangely, the captured twin is referred as 'vessel' in that OST.
Neuvillette wondered about our special properties, that we could wield elemental powers without Celestial intervention..
I like how Furina's vision has little detail with claw like casing, which shows that it has dragon element and Neuvillettte is the one who gave the vision to her.
Now this reminds me, do you think Tsaritsa is collecting Gnoses to gain all the power to tumble down Celestia or to make Primordial One unable to gain the Original Authority? Or in the end she's gonna give all the powers contained in the Gnoses back to the other respective Sovereign Dragons that are still alive? (Neuvillette already gain his).
I don't think collecting gnoses will be enough to completely usurp the thrones of the archons. furina/folcalors lost her throne and authority by killing herself and she had to collect indemnitium for 500 years for that to happen. we see raiden, venti, zhongli, and even Nahida all retain their authority over their elements despite not having gnoses. i could be wrong but if shes collecting parts that once consisted of the 3rd descenders body it might be a resurrection or something along that line
With the appearances of dragons like Neuvillette, it'll be interesting to see where the stories go. Who knows, maybe the traveler and friends could join the Fatui and Abyss to take down Celestia and give the Dragons their powers again.
I might have to rewatch, but it sounds kind of like the current ruler is not the first who came, but the second descender, which makes things more interesting. Maybe we'll join one of their sides or something.
zhongli really hit us with "with great power, comes great responsibility."
I believe they also mentioned at one point that every vision holder is also an archon candidate. So the visions could also be a way to keep the archon system itself going, so long as the thrones still exist. It also makes sense to keep people thinking that the only way to have power over the world around them is through the visions granted by Celestia and not through their own power. Granting this equally to all people prevents any competing philosophy or religions from taking hold in the world of Teyvat. The witches and other people we know of, outside of the traveler, who can manipulate powers without visions are all secret or hidden. Outside of them, the only creatures that we see actively manipulate the elements are the hillichurls, which we know used to be people, and they are actively hunted by vision holders. The fact that no public group has ever tried to investigate how they do this in over 500 years is testament to the level of control Celestia has over the people of teyvat through the Archins and the granting of visions.
If Nuevillette did give Furina a vision, then what about Childe? Remember one scene where we see him fight some people (loan sharks they call it) and suddenly his vision stops functioning as if it was deactivated by someone. I know this was before Nuevillette got his Authority. Wait hold up... Did Focalor deactivated it?
I need ANSWERS WTF?! If it is what I think it was then Focalors is indeed a devious one.
Theres another possibility though quite a bit darker (maybe too dark for genshin). That the second who came drove the primordial one to a stalemate and demanded concessions and that the third descender was destroyed for the bargain.( to make the gnosis) Another concession be that the primordial one intiate either the archon war or the moon sisters fighting each other (devouring each other?) Nabu malikata was the sole survivor of this action and had to live with what she was forced to do. Time lines probably are out of sync here. Another side note it mentions that the primodial one lost FUNCTIONS which almost assumes that the PO was a construct of a sort, created by another entity. The war of vengeance also could refer to the second who came's attack and not the dragons counter attack. Theres still so much we dont know yet.
Nibelung might be the second who came
a other worldly dragon
he came and saw the miserable state of the dragons
(Like us the traveler) proved himself to dragon kind became their king
and started round 2 of the war.
He tried to use Abyssal power or Forbidden knowledge but failed to control it.
Abyssal power was corrosive to P.O. So in order to heal and maintain control over Teyvat
P.O created Gnoses and Visions and Celestial nail
Vision given by Celestia is already stated since 1.3 to be exact on Xiao's character story on Vision
neuvillettes the type of guy to casually bring up government secrets in a convo like its normal
There is a loop hole in this theory. In the 4.2 quest, Skirk and Neuvellete mentioned that the gnosis came from the 3rd descend but as all we know, the dragon had the gnosis when they fought the primordial one and the gnosis were taken from them. So who was really the 1st descender?
And another thing is, According to the lore, after the primordial One defeated the sovereign dragons, he then created heaven and earth, this would imply that the Celestia is created by One which is responsible for distributing visions.
According to Venti, vision holder can become an archon. The archon war took place to choose the 7 archon. So as for Neuvellete have the authority to give vision is not clear or just no. Neuvellete gave his gnosis to the fatui adhering the advice of Skirk. Nuevellete no longer has the same power he had when he fought the whale. Weeks or months have passed since then before Furina got her vison.
Furina all this time was holding herself back from her desire. She does not wished to stand on a stage again. But as we saw in her story quest, the traveller created an opportunity for Furina to stand in the stage for one more time.
Furina must have realized something, quite similar to how Noelle got her vision. Noelle got her vision when she was feeling devastated after failing the knight examination for the 7th time but then she saw Jean, she gathered all her resolved to not give up and try again which the gods responded by giving her a vision that same day and time. Failing the same examination for the 7th time is no joke. She must have felt sad and ready to cry and she chose to stood her ground to give her best salute to Jean.
it is kind of the Same thing to how Furina got her Vision while performing in a stage. That unknown aspect and her desire is there.
Its not a plot hole, the Gnoses have nothing to do with the dragons, people just took Neuvillette's 4.1 lines and made assumptions. Elemental Authority and Gnoses are 2 completely separate things.
I wanna know tho, how does this coincide with Venti's and Zhongli's creations? I get that Venti *may* be related to Istaroth, and therefore probably a "shard" of the Primordial One, but what about Zhongli, especially given that he was the Archon of Liyue for over 6000+ years as well?
Yes Zhongli or rather Morax, founded Liyue over 6000 years ago and defended it for over 3700 years in which the cataclysm that happened over 500 years ago was fought therein, it was thus that now Zhongli coincided with the contract to end all contracts
I have strong believe that Morax is one of the Shades, because he knows allot about this world lore and the only one who still remember Greater lord rukkhadevata, every one else did changed expect for his info was slightly changed but still remain the same, (You are one who crosses the celestial atlas, and who passes through countless worlds), this line here hide allot of mysteries.
Speculations are that he’s the sun (god) created by Phanes and/or one of Phanes' shades. In the book Before Sun and Moon it’s said that the Solar Chariot (an actual chariot, a vehicle used by the sun god or/and the sun itself) fell from the sky for unknown reasons and created the Chasm in Liyue on impact ~6000 years ago. It slumbered for an unknown amount of time and reawakened during the Archon War. Depending on the lore it was described that the Chasm miners either repaired the Solar Chariot and it returned to the heavens and/or it (the sun god) was unable to bear the bloodshed of the Archon War and leapt back into the sky. If Zhongli is indeed the Sun God I have reasons to believe that he actually stayed (or descended once more) and won the authority over Geo while trying to bring an end to the war. His quote "I do not wish for dominion but I cannot watch the common folks suffer“ comes to mind. Symbols used for Zhongli besides the Geo one also often depict a sun/star… there are obviously more hints like his burst being a falling star/meteorite and the Chinese name for his burst meaning "heavenly star“ but I can‘t possibly mention them all here.
And I looked it up again, Zhongli founded Liyue Harbour ~3700 years ago during the Archon War shortly after Guizhong‘s demise and the destruction of the Guili Assembly, presumably close to the end of the Archon War (in Liyue specifically, we know several wars between gods were waged all over Teyvat). It‘s likely they fought for several thousand years but I don‘t think he has been an Archon/possessed the authority over Geo for over 6000 years cuz in order to gain the Gnosis and authority he had to be the victor of the Archon War in the first place.
@venusgaytrap6960 this might actually make sense. i've theorized for a while now that both Venti and Zhongli are both related to primordial forces, especially since they are the last 2 of the original 7
tha fact that kazuha body doesn't got damaged after activated the second vision gave me a thought about a possible condition when someone got double vision. Could be like the vision from the dragon(with Neuvillette situation) and from celestia, it will be so cool.
Well, the same thing happened when the Traveler fought Raiden. Just as Kazuha activated his friend's ability due to him sharing his friend's "vision" as in, his point of view, the Traveler activated all visions collected in the statue due to them all sharing the wish of ending Eternity. I don't think a person could be granted 2 visions, but if two people shared their dreams and their view on the world were the same, I believe they could probably use them both, but since this case is so particular, it occurs seldom times
@@kristophesiem5336 how about just a simple story when someone has a vision from celestia before and then proceed to get a vision from a dragon after that with some reason for the stroy. In the end to be honest everything could be happening and the writer have the authority to do whatever they want. Just imagine man you can freeze the enemy by yourself 😂
I just realized it sounds like a vision is making a deal with the devil, once the "duty" is complete they get something even more abundant in return, sounding similar to giving up your soul in exchange for power while alive.
Excellent choice of music. I was just in Liyue thinking this is my favorite melody in genshin, then this video appears ❤
Honestly I think the traveler is actually the 5th defender and your sibling is the fourth. I feel Irminsul was “edited” to make your sibling was “tied” to this world. Or something close. I believe nahida said your sibling in irminsul is “blurry” like, something was erased and reflected onto the world such as scaramoche
Someone HAS NOT been paying attention to the freaking story
Very interesting. I had already thought about this after the events of the Archon mission in 4.1. The concept of "Indemnitium" energy, generated by people's belief in Fontaine's justice system, may be a limited version of what works in the Visions. With Celestia controlling who receives a Vision, she can select only individuals with enormous willpower, which provides Celestia with more energy. It remains to be seen where so much energy goes...
Zhongli: For every bit of power you gain, so too do you gain more responsibility.
Uncle Ben: Wait a minut-.
Winston Churchill: ☝
I remember reading a fiction (not about Genshin) somewhere, in which the world is in a cycle. Every once in a while, the world falls into chaos due to various reason. At the same time a being from another world will come (descend), create new order and rebuild the world. There is no time loop, the previous civilizattion just simply fall and leave ruins scatter around the world for the next civilization to study.
Eventually someone figures out about the cycles, and decides to prevent the "descender" from descending, mostly by locate and kill them, to prevent civilization and ruleship reset.
Back to Genshin, I think the Unknown God is the "someone" who figured out about the cycles, and is from 3rd Decender's generation. She is not necessarily a god, maybe just someone with great power or technology. She may (may) have killed a lot of "4th Descender", and since they could not descend so the counter did not go up.
Things changed for the travellers: they are twins and the Unknown God for some reason could not kill them both, and one of the sibbling made it down to Teyvat and become the 4th Descender. Counter went up, clock is ticking, the world is going to fall soon. Since killing the Descender now is meaningless, maybe she sent Paimon to overwatch the Descender.
Honestly with every lore bomb that drops it makes me more and more curious about the backstory of zhongli specifically. For the rest of the archons so far, we're shown how they came to be and how they are currently being in the present. Zhongli's a freaking enigma. We've barely had any information about his past and even when we do, it doesn't exactly paint a clear picture. Considering he's not only the oldest of the seven but could also be as old as teyvat itself (wei' theory), it really itches my brain trying to think of what he's been keeping from us. Also at first i pretty much put aside being the god of contracts. I mean yeah sure contract, order, etc. But now it's becoming more and more apparent how frightfully powerful that is. A vision is a contract as he himself said. He literally has the power to demand and turn the tides ( unless he already has). It's also piqued my curiosity after hearing Neuvillette's voicelines about the archons. He obviously shows hostility towards the og three, but for zhongli specifically, it sounds like he's just about ready to throw hands. If anything it seems like he expects it. I'm really curious now more than and ever ngl. And as always thanks for the wonderful video!
Zhongli's origin is honestly clearer than Ei and Makoto's. With Zhongli we have a lot of lore about the Guili Assembly, the Adepti, Liyue's prehistory and his role prior to and during Liyue's creation. Inazuma's prehistory is nonexistent, as it existed as a nation prior to the Archon War. We have no records of when exactly it was created or when Ei and Makoto started ruling it. All we know is that sometime between the primordial civilisation's fall and the Archon War, Ei and Makoto created Inazuma. That's it. It's like it's always existed, fitting for the nation of eternity I guess
@@GrenadeLauncher-vk3wd i agree to an extent. For ei and makoto i do believe it may have something to do with some japanese mythology. Wherein if something exists for long enough it can eventually manifest into a higher being or something the like. And i do like your point that inazuma could’ve just been their the whole time as it follows eternity. Pretty neat if that’s actually what hoyo’s going to go for. And as for the zhongli backstory, i personally can’t recall much that has been told about him specifically. Anything that has to do with him also has to do with others. Which of course i find quite odd. There’s no ‘this is where he started’ lore. Although this may also just be from my lack of remembering and bothering to look for stuff.
@@fishbol478 You're right. His backstory is mostly explored through other stuff like the Guili Assembly and the Adepti, so it's partially explored. His birth isn't stated, but his identity as the leader of the Adepti and the Guili Assembly means we have some information about what he did before the Archon war, even if it's vague.
I just wanted to point out that Ei and Inazuma's origin is even more vague, since you brought up the other gods. Venti, Nahida and Furina's origins are clearly explored, but Zhongli's origin as an adeptus is kinda mysterious, while Ei and Inazuma have no origin (as it's an unchanging, eternal nation). The original Archons are the most mysterious.
The Liyue people think that the Adepti come from Zhongli himself or Celestia, and this would make sense in light of Neuvilette's reveal that Egeria was created by Celestia in some way. The original Archons' origins are likely tied to Celestia, but this will probably be explored soon, because of Neuvilette's reveal.
@@GrenadeLauncher-vk3wd I'm glad you pointed out that the original archons could actually all be created by celestia themselves. I don't know if you've watched wei's theory about zhongli, but they bring up some very convincing points. I'm honestly almost inclined to believe it. The theory basically states that he might actually be a descender himself. And yes I'm hoping for more neuvillette lore crumbs along the way.
@@fishbol478 I haven't watched it, but I'll probably watch it since you mentioned it. However, I'm inclined to believe that Zhongli isn't a descender. The identity of the first and second are most likely the Primordial One and the Sustainer (second throne), the third died and became gnoses, and the fourth is the MC. Besides, the descenders don't use elemental energy (except for the MC) and they created Celestia.
So if Neuvilette's statement that Egeria was created by Celestia applies to the other Archons too, then Zhongli would be a creation of the descenders and not a descender himself. Seeing how the Archons are basically Sovereigns under Celestia's control, and Neuvilette mentioned that the gnoses and visions are a way to maintain world order, the Archons were possibly created by Celestia for that purpose. Their origin is probably more complex than we know, but I doubt they're descenders in any way.
Honestly when Furina got her vision. It kinda felt like Celestia and the Heavenly Principles were like "I know what you did, you can't trick us, we're watching you." 😅 If it's just a automated process, that would be less disturbing lol.
I came to a similar conclusion after Furina stepped down-
My brain went “no more hydro characters??”
remeber venti claims that the ones whose fullfil the "desire" that granted their vision, they wil be summomed to celestia, and the tale of the first dandelion knight, this seems to be a prision or some kind of enclousure to get what celestia needs, kinda like you become a fuel to celestia powers when you manage to fullfin the "duty" were signed to you.
One note at narzissenkreuz ordo world quest give interesting takes about vision.
It said "to receive a Vision to sell oneself to the "fate" of this world - to Heimarmene. And to evermore lose the chance to walk the correct path"
But i doubt important lore about vision will be at just some random note of world quest, and with the entire quest is about someone "dream".
Actually Hoyo always drops important lore in world-quests and even in places with no quests at all, like the Khaenri'ah/Abyss language murals in random spots in the world. So this is very important information, since looking it up, Heimarmene is a irl god of Fate, and since Visions are related to fate and it is said it bounds you to fate, it's fair to assume this Heimarmene is the one responsible for the Visions.
As for the Dream, that part is also important since it was revealed in the quest that people with strong enough dreams and wills have the power to influence the world simply with their strong willpower, like oceaninds creating things from their imagination and Rene/Narzissenkreuz becoming what he was due ot his own will. And it was also implied that Traveller has a strong enough will to change the fate of the entire world, which probably ties back to the Loom of Fate
Dude. Are you suggesting the Archons and other gods of Teyvat are actually the remains of the Primordial one just as Melusines come that giant serpent?
I think it's more about the remains of the dragons. Because even with the gnoses, the archons have no real authority over their elements and the visions are only handed through them. Mean while Neuvilette after reclaiming his power and authority, granting hydro visions are by his will alone as he no longer obeys to the edicts of Celestia. Now everytime he grants a vision, he will impart a tiny portion of his power to them, very much the same way a vision is normally granted, but the recepient has to be acknowledged by him instead of Celestia
Also the giant serpent (Elynas) the melusines live in were a cosmic creature that didn't originally belong to Teyvat, based on what he told us
Do you understand metaphorical speech?
@@thecommentguy9380archons and gods are not remnants of sovereigns as neuvillette called them ursupers so that mean they're connected to celestia. And gods able to use elements, morax, beelzebul, guoba, oasial all using elements even before they were archon. Guizhong and havria using non traditional elements like dust and salt. Deshret was even called master of all elements. Dragon authority clearly has nothing to do with their innate powers at all
@@Kenken-iq4liseems you misunderstand, no i did not imply the gods and archons need the power of the dragons to use the elements. They can control the elements, just not to the extent of having complete control over them, like how Egeria with the gnosis couldn't turn her Oceanids into true humans, but only partially.
What sets the archons from other gods however, is having the authority over their element (see Neuvillette's voice-over on Electro Archon), but as mentioned before, only partial
explains why some visions are different, if you look in the top left, some characters have a different style vision even if they are the same element
Gods giving visions for completing a duty sounds a lot like Final Fantasia XIII L'cie system
Cat: archons/authoriteis don't grant visions
Comments: Neuvilette gave Furina her vision!
Cat: no
"Fragments of the Primordial" might be referring to the four shades
Another reason to why i believe that Neuvillette is the one who gave Furina her vison is, In one of Neuvillette's dialogue when we asked him about the future of Fontaine. He told us that he has now control of Pneuma and ousia, now we all know that furina have a unique vision casing compared to other fontainians.
But whats more unique is that she can switch to Pneuma and ousia at will.Also if you C6 her you'll see a different tinge of color on her hydro imbued attacks it looks like the color of the primordial sea. Another wierd thing, is the splashes of water created by her take the shape of a dragon if you noticed it.
Or maybe im just overthinking things LMAO
Damn the music hits hard at the kazuha part
Was waiting for your vids
"The one who came after the usurper" would be the Second who came.
I just recently thought as to why genshin impact is still called genshin impact when we are all about archons and dragons. But this video now emphasizes that vision holders are still a key part to the story
Watching this, I thought about how cool it would be for the Heavenly Principles to be the 1st descender
Thats already confirmed
The way gnosis made of reminds me of soul king
I think heavenly principles is the 2nd descender and she won the war against primordial one and after being defeated they divided themselves to form celestia and the gods with the help of 3rd descender.
In a sense, Nevuillette doesn't need a divine hydro throne in celestia since he already is both the God and the throne itself given that all of the divine power belonged to him in the first place.
Tbh I'm glad that Teyvat as a whole is slowly pushing back against Celestia as Celestia doesn't seem to be doing anything except ensure they stay in power. If we are to believe that Celestia was established by the first descender, they don't even come from Teyvat in the first place so idk what made them think they can just casually take control of the planet.
I also cannot wait for the rematch against the sustainer of the heavenly principles.
always love the music used.
Sneaky sneaky island in the sky... using humans and the like to help you recover
So now that Neuvillette has full control over Pneumosia thats why Furina can switch between pneuma and ousia with her vision...hmmm
thats explain why furina got a pneumousia vision because neuvillete has in control over the two types of energy
Okay this actually could be big. Like in tge travelers Bio there's a mystery section with the ominous title Loom of Fate.
Perhaps this pertains to how Celestia decides to grant visions.. as for what your implying in the completion of a visions duty.. I have a couple ideas as to where this rabbit hole goes.
good analysis as always
2:36 so Morax knows the Primordial one and He's oldest living being on Teyvat who knows and sees everything
the fact that ei says there are certain constraints as to talking about how visions are granted means the heavenly principles have something to do with or that this information is considered forbidden knowledge
its nice now considering back then when we dont know abt furina status , ppl were hoping neuvillete is the archon. And now even tho he's not a archon (status) he's probally much its is now .
What I like is that You didn't just take some random guesses like most people with their theories and that's why it sounds pretty logical. I expected it to be too far fetched, but the thumbnail and title sounded like it might be interesting. I am glad I clicked on the video, because IMO it's one of the best theories made in Genshin. Though I would still say that some parts would likely change, but it's normal. We lack key informations so we can only fill the gaps in between with guesses. Thanks for sharing this interesting theory. I like the part of Kazuha's friend the most. I hope the lit of the electro vision wasn't just cool plot device made by miHoYo and it was actually important event.
the destruction of the hydro archon's throne could bring about the awakening of the heavenly principles. imagine if the tsaritsa's plan is to return all the authorities to the dragon sovereigns and kill the sustainer.
That would help the dragons but doom humanity. Since not all dragons care for humans.
Could this explain how the Electro Sovereign is kinda missing right now???
Yeah give authority to Apep not even neuvillette can save us
Alternatively… what happens when you collect all the remains of the third descender? Is there something special that could happen? Why were they split in such a way, and each piece given to some of the most powerful people on Teyvat (some in physicality - Ei, Zhongli, some in wisdom - Nahida). We know they can summon the heavenly principles if you break them, perhaps it really is the celestial Gods’ power source, would explain why they were split and given to powerful people.
@@darkheartrifoh boy i really wanna see full authority apep. Whole teyvat will probably start shaking.
I think with Furina's and Neuvillette's case is different. Neuvillette has regain his control over all of the hydro elements, and the Hydro Archon throne is no more, therefore there is no gods for Celestia to take power from and transfer it to make a vision. and Neuvillette now has full control over who to give his power to.
In conclusion, because Neuvillette is the Hydro Dragon Sovereign, he has more complete control over the gift of visions without the need for Celestia.
So I’m going to guess that only people in fontain will ever have a hydro vision. Also, can he take the power of hydro away from others now
Tbf Venti hinted at visions not being granted by archons before raiden during the prologue, he said he had no idea what visions did or how people had them
Unrelated but i noticed that the Statue of the Seven looks like chess pieces, of course this can also be a stretch
It was already a known fact even before Sumeru that "gods," basically all sentient organisms that are "beyond" humans, were not of the world that Teyvat used to be. The true "primordial" world's only denizens were the elemental vishaps, led by the elements' respective Sovereigns.
Knowing how Gnosis could bring misfortune later on, not sure if the 3rd "sacrificed" themself willingly xD and knowing that we also can utilize elemental power without vision, im worried about our future and suspicious that the 3rd maybe someone like us, like our twin
Too interesting. Cant wait to see what happens, Natlan soon
If this is true, Celestia isn't gonna be happy losing a throne. I feel like there's gonna be a comeuppance in the later Fontaine versions or during Natlan.
It could go either way. I'm not sure Celestia will mind as much. As far as we know, as far as the systems in place are concerned Neuvillette is functionally an archon. He's setting aside power for the visions, and tending all known archon duties, so its possible either Celestia knows and doesn't care because he's "playing ball" or Celestia doesn't know because he fit himself into the system thus nothing is missing for her to notice.
I'd also like to note that Celestia's punishments seem to be "here's this long term bad thing to deal with" which might just have a looming dredge for ages until the thing actually shows up. Or an eternal curse. If its the former, we may never see it actually happen.
But Nahida says that the Heaven Principle has been inactive for years and have not acted upon anything.
Could it be that the Celestia is actually empty?
its very much a contract, all vision holders are allogenes and vanessa was a allogene aswell and she transcended to celestia, likely to become an member of their sovereign, those who are exceptional enough and go above and beyond to complete their duty are deemed worthy to ascend to celestia
A swinging man uncle once said
"With great power comes great responsibility"
My theory regarding visions is that Neuvillete can now grant hydro visions since he has absolute authority unlike the archons or the soveryns…. Celestia hands visions for the archons because the archons don’t have full authority
(Otherwise Focalors wouldn’t need to die in order to prevent the flood and would merely do what Neuvillete did)