ACTUAL DUAL ENGINE FAILURE IN A CITATION JET
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- On May 9th 2019, a Citation Medivac Flight with 4 crew and 3 passengers would experience a DUAL engine failure. The actions of the two pilots would determine the fate of all seven on board. This is their story......
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Bruce Monnier: an otherwise Regular Guy doing his Regular Profession, dealing with a Non-usual Occurrence, resulting in Regular Results while Passengers were Largely Unaware of Potentially Catastrophic Results. Confident, Analytical, Controlled, Humble. THAT is all, Incredible. Well Done & Bravo to you Sir. Excellent interview.
Just outstanding. Bruce M. Sir you are a hero......
Aye, dude was born to be an exceptional pilot.
My experience of flying airlines for 30 yrs, i was shocked that he didn't inform his pax about a duel eng. failure. But when he commented about not wanting to hear screaming passengers in the back, I get it. Especially in a smaller cabin acft. I could envision the chaos. Great job. You can tell that's a cool cat under pressure. Great story.
Would not the lack of engine noise attract attention?
Pilots... The only people in the world bringing you hours of boredom and moments of terror so calmly no one knows the difference.
Nice job, great flying, excellent interview. Thanks!
Been in submarines Do not know why , when you think you our going to die everything gets Calm.............
Pilots and Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetists (or Anesthesiologist's). Only, I wouldn't call it Terror...as long as one knows what he/she is doing no need to be terrified. An exception may be a dual engine failure over water with icebergs in it (and no way to make a dry landing). :-)
Prist has a far different smell than DEF which has a choking smell of ammonia 70% +30% water. It will coat the fuel screens causing the engine to starve of fuel.
Yes. Fly the plane, evaluate you options, as conditions change, re-evaluate your options, and fly the plane. Bravo, well done!
Heard this on AOPA podcast, thanks for getting the video interview! I believe that Bruce also had the presence of mind to alert his company to relay to the other Jet that fueled with him in FL as they were likely going to be same issue and they did divert without symptoms but went flame out on short final too! Hero is right Mr Baron Pilot.
Great job Bruce and Co-pilot.
A Great Pilot, a Great guy, a Great Captain, a brave guy & certainly was the RIGHT guy to have in this aircraft at this unfortunate moment & certainly a guy who deserves more recognition for what he & his copilot did, enough said......
This reminded me of something when he said he had a nervous flyer on that flight. I used to do volunteer medevac flights out of Boulder County, Colorado for the company I worked for. We’d normally haul printed data and support hardware and software between various stations around the region. So one night I got a call to see if I would volunteer transport a liver transplant recipient and his wife to SLC where there was a matching donor. The guy was super cool and thankful. But his wife........she was a pain in the ass. She told us about 10 times before we had even taxied out to the departure runway how much she was afraid of flying and hated it. After we were airborne, she would scream at even the slightest bit of turbulence. At one point she was even yelling at her husband for getting her into this. I felt so bad for him. Mind you: the man was going to a hospital to get a new liver and his wife made it all about her. Lol. After we landed and as they de-planed, not even a thank you from her. But her husband said, “I’m so sorry about that”. That poor bastard.
Cheers!
Mike Patton damn. Sounds like my X wife. That bitch cussed me out when I got my M.S. diagnoses. I left her a year later. I wasn’t gonna put up with that. I am much happier now and have a wonderful woman that is concerned for my health and all the things someone in your life is suspose to do. My health improved after I left her from the stress of her constant bitching.
@@rbmwiv I understand what you're talking about right there. I've thought about my health and asked myself if it would get better just by getting away from mine.
Colorado Back Road Drives ... I know this sounds cruel but could you have denied her to fly, based on her possibly creating a problem in flight??
Some people are extremely afraid of flying. She should have stayed home but probably wanted to be there with her husband despite her fears. So, you have to understand her actions. Not everyone is like you.
@@rbmwiv Ya, my ex was like that, laughed when i got injured, yelled at me when sick, lol. So deep in my rear view, a life well-lived is the best revenge. Hehe.
I was there, just finishing up a flight lesson at KSAV. Certainly caused a bit of excitement on the ramp that's for sure! It was about THE smoothest landing I have ever witnessed, great job in bringing it in that smooth! As far as media, it was reported on the Savannah local news that evening..But nothing on the national news outlets as far as I know..Good job, Bruce, in fulfilling your promise to the nervous flyer passenger!
He did what is the more important thing, fly the airplane. Excellent interview. Calm, collected and knowledgeable pilot, a hero.
He seems like Air Force. Cool, calm, collected.
@@silasmarner7586 Hey I could have done that,I'm as cool as a red hot chilly pepper!
I have never been as glued to a RUclips video as I was watching this. Really interesting. I love how the passengers never noticed the other engine quitting. Probably for the best. So great to hear how a professional pilot handles critical situations.
No power sucks. BTDT in a caravan ifr, The audio of that is on my channel. Didn’t get to the airport, but lucked out anyway. Busted out at 800’ and saw a field that was handy about 3 miles from the runway. As Max Smart said, “Missed it by this much!”
Amazing. I am sitting here , type rated in the Citation V and when you said not knowing your systems..... yeah, I’ll admit I don’t fully know my systematic of what will, and what won’t work in the unlikely event that I will ever have to go thru a dual simultaneous engine failure... I think by the end of the month or middle of next month I will have the systems etched into my memory. I already started researching my type fuel systems. Most definitely puts things into a higher perspective for me. Baron Pilot, I’ve been following you for a couple years now, I enjoy your videos immensely & I think this one has got to be the icing on the cake. Bruce, you truly are a hero. I have never heard of anyone (other than NASA) pulling off what you did. I hope your patient was grateful even though she’s terrified of flying. Maybe she’ll go up with you again..... hope she got or gets better from whatever she had/has wrong.
Captain Bruce and Captain Baron Pilot:
Clear skies and safe landings sirs.
Michael R. Jacobson I’m glad you took this story to heart and are improving your knowledge because of it.
We appreciate you watching our videos and hope you continue to love them!
What a breed of Pilot. Rare stuff. Baron Pilot I really liked the Q&A calm discussion style without interruptions. Great airmanship Bruce.
Amazing and heroic story, truly inspirational. The first and only guy to fly a Citation glider to the air field! I am impressed.That's one you won't ever forget. ;-) Well done sir!
I have had an engine failure in a Comanche during my IFR exam prep..WORST feeling in my life I have no clue how you guys stayed so calm...Great story greetings from Tanzania East Africa.
Well I usually don't comment on vlogs, but have to say "what a good piece of work"...he did everything by the books, calm cool and collected...hats of to him!...what a great pilot!
Wow what a story
But, @baronpilot the way you interviewed and presented this to us literally blew my away
Carefully extracting the info from the pilot without leading him or interrupting was just perfect
Thank you for bringing this story to us 🙏🏼
Great interview. Thank God for this strong intelligent calm man who is really needed in this country
One of the best videos you've done. Thank you.
Wow... amazing story. So glad everyone was ok.
I(CJ2) got fueled from the same APF truck at the same time as those guys and had a voicemail when I got on the ground asking if we had any fuel issues. Sumped the tanks and filters and all was ok. Then some dealing with the FAA before it got traced back to PGD. Glad I didn't get caught up in it. Great job with the landing!
extraace it ended up hitting 3 planes, but we are so glad it didn’t get into more or have any deadly issues. All the pilots did a great job avoiding possible catastrophic issues.
Great work Baron Pilot. Bruce Monnier has some angels flying with him. Congratulations to him for the job involved for landing safely.
I am supremely impressed!
I have been flying large jets for 37 years and everyone onboard that aircraft is fortunate to the extreme that this amazing pilot quickly and accurately calculated a glide ratio with no engines running that brought them to a suitable runway. I am so delighted to be learning about this successful event from this video rather than a crash in the forests near Savannah from an NTSB report.
Well done, sir.
very scary when he said "13 miles out landing in the wrong direction". it just seems very far. this guys a hero.
Great Story. Thank You for sharing and thumbs up to “ Baron Pilot” for producing, filming, editing and interviewing.
Well done, the pilot is the most chill person I've ever had the privilege to listen to!
Great interview. I was the A&P mechanic overseeing the fueling and was immediately questioned by the owner of the company if the Prist was added. I told him I was positive the valve was on because I had noticed the fueler forgot to turn it off after he was done fueling. Anyway I just played the video for my class of 20 students trying to get their A&P license here at Aviation Institute of Maintenance in Atlanta where I'm an Instructor and they were fascinated with the story. I shot my buddy Bruce a text letting him know. It's a cautionary tale that luckily had a happy ending.
Chris, that was a fantastic video. Probably your best work. It flowed so well and of course, was interesting as hell. I really enjoyed it. Great Job. Thanks so very much for the extra effort you take to make your videos not only fun but informative.
Thanks so much for posting this vid BP! Great interview and absolutely fascinating to see the mindset of a pilot when something goes wrong.
THE rule: aviate, navigate, communicate. You must always fly the plane, especially when you realize there is no magic incation you can recite or a hidden button you can push to unscramble the situation. You're back to needle, ball and airspeed flying. I was reminded of that mantra when you said that the souls in back never knew what, exactly, was happening. VERY nice job, sir. My cover is off to you.
Dan Colley did Bruce take a fuel sample prior to t/o ?
Engine failure is always an emergency. Period
Dan Colley captain joe
@@patfarra627 who knows? Would "stabbing the tank" (draining the sumps) have told him anything? Likely not.
Awesome job, I really enjoyed the conversation and listening to his story first hand. Thank you for a great chat.
WOW, this guy is totally a professional
UNPROFESSIONAL is the word
He looks like a fighter jock too :P
@@zdlinden Care to explain that "unprofessional" comment or shall we just file you in the "baseless accusations and groundless complaints" folder with Donnie boy?
@@fritzkatz Donald was the BEST president usa had took down two paedo rings
Having had a career in the fuel business I found this very interesting and informative. Many complements to the pilot and co-pilot. Hopefully this led to better fuel handing procedures.
As a retired Part 121 (heavy) A&P, I have a few observations. First, I listen to the differences on how PIC's handle EM situations on channels like VAS Aviation. Bruce, you are a "steely-eyed-missle-man" of pilots. You handled that situation like the best of the 121 drivers, NASA astronauts, etc. Second, hats off the Cessna on this aircraft. I have been of the opinion that there seems to be too much "push" on computerization/fly-by-wire in aircraft. MCAS is a prime example of that IMHO. Cable control allowed the crew to maintain positive control. Last, it is absolutely inexcusable that ground vehicle fluids were able to be contaminated into aviation fuel. When I worked in/around POL in the Air Force, we had strict proceedures to prevent this from happening. The airport authorities I've worked with, that were responsible for aviation fueling have these in place too. It would appear that the FBO (if they were the one responsible for this) was clearly negligent. There are proper protocols for them to follow. Hope the FAA drops some serious repercussions on whoever was responsible. Clearly this could've ended in disaster. Kudo's to all who worked to make this a happy ending.
Yes, the 'housekeeping' in the fuelling operation was dreadful, there should have been procedures in place to prevent any possibility of DEF (or any associated equipment) from getting anywhere near aviation fuel. This is a scary problem when you run ground fuel systems alongside aviation fuel systems, it needs 110% focus on detail from everyone in the fuelling operation.
It amazing that just a small amount could cause the flame out when you look at the total fuel on board but then I have no way of knowing if it was just a few ounces or a few galleons mix in with the fuel and its possible if it was a few galleons it may have not mix with the jet fuel and like a heavy oil and remain together and then was pump close to full strength into the engine
Its all so possible a new person made the mistake sad but possible
@@terriecotham1567 There are no valid excuses or reasons for this, as this incident clearly shows fuel is a critical element of flight, every aspect of the fuelling operation has to be managed with that in mind. Having spent 30 years in fuelling ops myself I am appalled that any operation could be so badly managed that this could happen.
@@jeta1f35 but in life there is all ways the wild card and good people on the job help keep the sky's safe
Thanks for your hard work
I love y tube for it allows people to see things that may help them in life and there job6
Your word's have wisdom
Amazing and miraculous that no other aircraft weren't involved in this calamity.
Incredible event and outcome! I have had a few issues while taking my PPL and I can tell you it’s hard to remain as calm as Iceman there!!
Omg that dude is ICE MAN literally!! What I’m going to take from this video as I go through PPL training is to stay calm during a Emergency.
Good idea Bro. Good luck in your PPL training. I'm not a pilot, i just follow all these guys because i eventually want to do it also. Hope you have a happy holiday.
Actually for me it's exactly what he says towards the end..learn each new crafts capabilities, including what if both engines are out? Had some ribbing when I asked that long ago, but still won't apologize for it, and his suggestion that all pilots learn those capabilities is something that I truly hope each pilot takes away from this.
@Freedom4U - Stay calm, the rest of the time too - And yes, the irony of panic is that it tends to fulfill the outcome that it's supposed to protest. Its a state of mind, something between discipline and thoughtful consciousness - it's neither cold nor cool ("ICE"); it's simply allowing the rational process to operate unfettered.
Marka Oslo
Well said!!
@ryan lemons You Tube Channel!!! 133 plane 49 instructor a hr plus tax
These guys did a fantastic job and a great ending. Great video.
Imagine if this had happened sooner after takeoff rather than at FL 350. So fortunate that the contamination took so long to damage the engines and they had that energy available. Crew did a perfect job. PIC exudes calm and confidence.
Staying calm during an emergency is key. Great pilot keeping a clear head during the emergency.
This video was considerably more interesting than I thought it would be. Stud pilot.
I knew a guy once that dead stick’d a Lear 25 in for a landing. It changed him...got really arrogant and took more risks. He died in a plane crash less than a month later. You are very lucky...stay humble!
"There are old pilots and bold pilots, but no old, bold pilots." - E. Hamilton Lee, 1949
Very interesting, just reinforces when things start going bad the best thing you can do is stay calm and focus on all options. True professional.
This man pulls off an amazing feat and then tells us what weaknesses he worked on from the lessons he learned. That's rare. I hope we all never stop learning or trying to improve like that.
Fantastic story and glad everybody was safe - thanks to the pilot!
This was a real emergency unlike others who post videos saying 'REAL EMERGENCY'. Great job.
My ipad quit i must squawk 7700
this is a great interview!!! totally captivating...
What a very Competent, careful and calm pilot. He and his co plot deserve a commendation for that incident.
Thank you for sharing this story. These types of events are invaluable for the aviation community to learn from. I personally am very appreciative to have the opportunity to hear about these incidents and have the opportunity to learn from them. Thank you!
Very interesting, thanks for sharing!
Happy landings
I love the comment about breaking out of the clouds as a new instrument pilot. When he said that it took me right back to my very first solo approach. Oh yes that is quite a Feeling.
Great pilot with a great understanding of flight characteristics. BRAVO my man WELL DONE!
Captain Bruce....you saved 7 souls on that day....great work
Truly awesome awe inspiring story. Learned a tremendous amount.
Thank you
Great video with all the right messages to pilots. Much appreciated!!
Thanks Bruce & Baron Pilot
What an amazing story and a pleasure to hear the story from a great professional pilot. Safe travels.
Had many ,many emergencies in thousands of hours of flying..one thing I learned is,,,if you are well trained and confident..all emergencies happen in slow motion...when untrained or weak..things happen fast.
Airmanship of the highest order
A great example of training, systems and buckets loads of chill coming up clutch after a dodgy batch of fuel. Much respect sir.
Well done Bruce…Congratulations! Thanks for sharing the story with us!
WOW ! What a great and amazing story & Interview .Great story that the pilots were able to land the Citation jet w/2 flamed out engines . No injuries & damage to the fuselage .
Awesome job Bruce and what a great learning story. Had a friend that wanted to store some 100ll in a diesel can once told him probably not a good idea if its going back in the Cessna. He could'nt understand my logic but used my new gas cans anyway. You never know.
Didn't hear a thing about this when it first happened, glad you folks shared it! Yes, the most important thing to take away from this "Experience" is to know your aircraft, all systems associated with it & have confidence in yourself & crew member to remain calm and fly the aircraft. In years past I've had an engine oil fire in a DHC-2, an engine failure in a DHC-3, prop failure in a DHC-6, chip detector in a BE200, false engine fire alarm in a BE200, complete pressurization failure (above 18,000) in a BE200, etc. Similar situation happened in 1977. A HS-784, C-FMAK, departed YYQ and after climb power was set, both engine were cooked and a gear up forced landing was done on the ice on the Churchill River. An AME filled the water methanol tank from a drum labelled "Water Methanol" but was used to store used Varsol. You'd think people would learn! Glad it all worked out!
Captain Wayne one of the reason we put the video out there. We want people to know this can and did happen and hope people will be more vigilant and aware. I’m glad you were able to land in those situations!
Captain Wayne - you should retire - the flying gods are trying to tell you something---
@@jth1699 Retire? Shit, there's NO GOD or flying Gods for that matter. If all my friends & I retired yesterday, you'd be taking the Greyhound tomorrow! Funny how companies like Emirates were coming to North America twice a year, 5 years ago. Now they're here every other month & the max age now is 57! Go back to your CFI job, & stay in the circuit where it's VFR & safe! LOL
Excellent storytelling. Thank you.
Hi Bruce,
This was a very informative video.
I had a very similar experience with my son,s Chevy Duramax 1500 diesel truck.
Long story short, I was sold Blue Def instead of winter fuel additive at our local parts store. My son was in the Navy, and he said to add a small amount of fuel additive in the winter.
I had lo clue about a Diesel engine, much less Blue Def. The guy at the counter said”I know exactly what you need and set a full gallon of Def on the counter. I asked him if I really needed a gallon, and he said “oh yeah, you can dump the whole thing into the tank.
I thanked him, and $3,870.00 later, went back to that store and got them to fess up and they paid me $2,500.00 back.
Blue Def is essentially water,cow urine, and a microbial. IT DOES NOT MIX WITH ANY KIND OF FUEL.
Thank God you and the souls you were responsible for came out of that safely!
Happy and safe flying!
Don
This is a great illustration of the first rule: fly the airplane.
Wow, what an amazing story! Thanks for sharing it.
A great video, and a super job by a totally confident Pilot. Hats off to him, and his co-pilot. Thanks for the video Baron Pilot.
Another great video as usual. Interesting enough is that that jet is run by Air Trek and I actually did all my private training with them back in the early 80s when they were a flight school and FBO at PGD (Charlotte County back then) and before they had branched out to Med Evac services. Another ironic thing is my son use to fly as a Paramedic with Air Trek a few years back. Great family owned company and I'm so glad everything worked out and all were safe.
Kudos - and very good interview!
Thanks for the video. Always good to hear what a pilot does in this type of situation for training purposes.
My understatement. AMAZING. Great video. Thank you!
Great interview, he is the man you want up front and center!
Bob Hoover would be proud! Great job guys!
Wow ...great account of a truly wonderful pilot who has taken the time to study his craft. Thanks foe sharing
And that is why, after watching so many cockpit videos and "meeting" the pilots,
I would rather be in a plane alongside one, than being in a car... thousands of feet in the air or not.
You are the kind of people who restore my faith in humanity.
Happy New Year,
Frederick "Rik" Spector and
by the way, I hope the ailing passenger was OK.
Great work/flying/CRM/professionalism Captain and your co-pilot on that day!
"It reminds you the importance of knowing the systems."{...of the specific airplane you are flying.}
Excellent "I Learned About Flying From That".
Thank you.
It is like the old saying, "you and what you are operating become 1 " know your job well. Whether it is a hammer, a backhoe or a plane.
Thanks for sharing this story. Amazing to hear.
Great video. Great interviewing technique, asked only pertinent questions and let him answer fully. I have a cousin who flew fast jets for the RAF. He lost engines twice, once in a Hawk trainer (flameout) and both in a Tornado (bird strike). He managed to recover the aircraft safely both times. He talks about it (rarely though) with the same detached sang froid that Bruce has. Just goes to show that thoughtful action wins the day.
Mr Monnier is indeed the consummate professional! Take Care
Wow, what a experience. Had asked for you to film in the Citation before, but then doing this story, which thankfully had a happy ending, is appreciated. Sounds like the correct guy was in the seat, and he handled it as well as it could be handled..but don't think I could have resisted telling that ground ATC when he asked parking.."right here" ;)
I have a new hero.
Seriously Bruce... that was humbling.
I'm a student pilot and I've been struggling with glide approaches, but your wisdom and attitude have completely altered my thinking. I have a new benchmark of calm to aspire to!
Awesome story... thanks for sharing.
Well done, Bruce!! That's an understatement. I've been looking into buying a jet and reading the POH for a Phenom 300. I'm a 30-year pilot with lots of private time, but, when I couldn't find dual engine out procedures in the book, I was quite surprised and contacted Embraer to find out where that procedure was located. They told me the same thing; it only happens due to fuel starvation or contamination...which never happens. Well, I didn't believe them when they said it and you are living proof...it happens. Seriously, well done. The sphincter-factor was must have been climbing when other stuff (altimeter) started to go off line.
Getting 3-green would have been a major relief. I've experienced gear issues twice; it's not pleasant. To make it to the runway as a glider, and then land gear-up would have been satisfactory. But, tragedy averted. Not only was it piloting skill and knowing the systems, but also knowing the character of the aircraft that saved the crew, passengers, people and property on the ground, and the aircraft. Sitting here thinking what other factors might have played a factor and the only thing I can think of is winds aloft. At 8k-feet, you don't have a lot of time, but it would have been interesting to compare altitude lost at 160K glide and distance covered over (for example) 2 minutes, then at 150K
Did they inform you as to their process to re-certified as airworthy?
Thanks for sharing BP. I’ve had one dead stick landing over the years and I can relate. You don’t really have time to be worried. You just fly by instinct and sometimes it works out.
What a pilot. Cool, calm and collected all the way down. Excellent flying and thanks for the video which was well worth watching.
Great content, we were just talking about the importance of knowing the systems on the airplanes you fly, so when something does happen you can analyze quickly and solve or know how to proceed.
Awesome! Smart pilot! Love ya, Baron! Awesome vid! Freaks me out!
That was a very insightfull interview. Talented and lucky crew.
So DEF caused a DEF!
Amazing. They kept their cool and went back to basics. Great story tx for sharing.
Wow....This will be an epic video in the avaition community for decades to come...BRAVO!
What a story! I can see that you were absorbing what he was saying and almost putting yourself in the moment while he was talking...
Niko's Wings this story can resonate with pilots much more than the general public and simmers. I hope everybody can learn from it and want to brush up and improve their knowledge and skills.
Niko ! One of my favorite channels on YT
Totally amazing story. I had one engine flameout in a lear 25 climbing through the high 30s on the way to 410 due to a high deck angle starving the engine of air, also a non event due to the excellent training and recurrent training at flight safety, nice slow descent to 250, relight and carry on, folks in the back never even knew anything had happened.
Peter Frenzel great job!
Great video! Very educational.. thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing. Great explanation and storytelling. Way to go pilots!
Wow, what an amazing story.
Wow, great interview to begin with. Very impressed with this professional pilot! Great job, to pilot and first officer. Luck will get you so far but proper training and discipline bring good results.
I bet DEF scenarios will be in flight sims very soon.
Amazing story. 👍👍👍
Fantastic vid Kris! Thnx!!!
Amazing experience. Thank you for sharing.