Great review. This used to be my dream watch back in the day. Now that I’m looking at it…that’s a solid 10K watch at most. Replace the AP logo with Doxa and it’s probably a 5K watch…
@@TheEasyRaildoes it have the powermatic with plastic pallet fork or the one with the normal ruby gems? I hate tissot for making that garbage and putting it in the prx.
Lots of solid chuckle moments in this; also TY for dispelling the “tool watch” fallacy… I dive with a fixed bezel kontiki because I know a dive bezel aint getting used under water. It feels cool, that’s why I do it.
I have this watch and I love it. It is so unique and get a lot of comments on how different and understated it is. It is one of those watches that if you know, you know.
I also love this watch..I have AP offshore black themes H seria in stainles steel..I also weith new submariner 41mm.. I dream of replacing submariner with an AP diver forged carbon .. but it's just a dream..
For me, your channel was always about the hobby and not about specific watches. I'll never own 99.9% of the watches you review but I watch 100% of your videos because they teache me about this weird passion we all share. Keep up the good work 🤘
Do the Omega Ultra Deep next. I want one, but I need a rational mind to tell me that it's not a "tool" watch, rather I'll look like a tool wearing it to my kids t-ball game.
I got into hand tool woodworking a few years ago. Found I really enjoyed buying, restoring and sharpening saws, chisels and hand planes. I really admire the craftsmanship and design of these items and knowing that with basic maintenance, they'll outlast me. But the fact of the matter is, when it comes to actually getting work done, I go with my powertools, partly because they're faster, partly because I lack the skill and insight to properly utilize hand tools. Mechanical tool watches are the same. I love dive watches, and I love mechanical movements. I have zero interest in diving, but if I did, I wouldn't use a mechanical movement watch. I'd use a diving computer. There's a whole simulacra/simulation conversation to be had here, but the internet and modern white collar work has eroded my ability to think deeper than the depth of a piss creek, so you'll have to make due with my meandering story.
I like this watch. Mainly because reminds me of my all analog G-SHOCK GWR-B1000. Both have carbon cases, sapphire crystals and rubber (mine is carbon fibre reinforced) straps. The two biggest differences are: price and shock resistance. I mean the AP is a little bit more expensive and far less shockproof. I am quite happy with my G-SHOCK.
7:30 from the argument that starts here, picture this, all these expensive watches suddenly become available for around 500 dollars each. Which would you pick? Suddenly it's all about the ones you like the look of. Would you still buy rolex when you could buy a patek or ap? Funnily enough, this is what happens when you enter the world of super replicas, all these watches that you might dream of owning can now be obtained for 500 dollars. Sure they're only 99% identical and a few might need modding, like the royal oak and nautilus bracelets and cases, but overall you get amazing watches for great prices. So you might start to also wonder how much the real ones are actually worth, like from these reps you'd think about 300 to 400 just for the materials and most of the machining excluding hand finishing work on some like the ap's and pp's, but besides that how much does the engineering, r&d and marketing really go into the final price tag? Personally I'm never really going to buy any of these brands even tho I could, maybe if it's solid gold, otherwise nope.
Very interesting to hear your opinion about the wearing comfort. I actually owned the exact same reference (15710ST) and it felt quite good with my even smaller 6.5" wrist. Yeah it looked big and bold but that was exactly the look I was aiming for. My strap was extremely comfortable but yeah it was quite top heavy. But that didn't lead to a descent in comfort. Funny enough I also bought it in 2019 and sold it after around 9 months of ownership. Not because it was too big or whatever. The only complaints I had were the rubber crowns that are probably done in a few years and need to be replaced by a 'reasonable' amount of money and the lume was just sh*t. Even the dial pattern didn't have anything I would say 'ow, look at this 20k piece!'. Compared to some GS watches it was simply underwhelming - to me. In the end I sold it because the (very beautiful!) movement suddenly stopped working. Luckily within the warranty time span even I bought it used at that time. The AP service center managed to send the watch back to me 3 times - always with new scratches even on the screws like a 1-day-newbie apprentice tried to open it without any knowledge about how a screw works. It was laughably ridicolous. Customer experience (here in Germany) was simply sh*t as well. That was were I decided to never buy an AP again. Even tough I really like their RO designs, especially the Offshores. Thanks!
When I heard about your feedback on the wearability of the R.O. Driver, I paused, got up, and measured my wrist for the first time. Because damn, I have the exact same discomfort with mine. We might make great pals.😂 But in all honesty, I would pick the Seamaster Black Ceramic 43.5mm over the R.O Diver any day.
Thank you for stating that luxury watches aren't tool watches. You want a real tool watch, buy yourself a Citizen Aqualand that can compliment your diving computer! Although I love diving watches, the only dives I do are on my work desk 😊. Great review as always.. Keep it up
As a retired Certified Swiss Master Maison(CSOMH), I purchased this piece pre-owned in 2015 at a very fair price from a former source. Having been a luxury Collector for 44+ years, I was looking for a Carbon piece, and the 15706AU.OO.A002CA.01 fit the bill🤙 I would obviously only recommend this as a secondary, ancillary or tertiary wear, as though the Offshore Collection is more robust than the standard Oak Collection, this is still not a primary/daily wear piece. Overall I've been very happy with it though it doesn't get much wrist time as I swap this out with a carbon PAM when I want the black watch look, which isn't often, lol Nice vid & comments, especially regarding the present day luxury divers doubling as "tool watches," 😂😂🤙 Stay Well & Continued Success👊 RP
Hey @@rajmehta6210, I hope all's well👊 Great watch, as my Bro has one(1242) and that's actually the one that I wanted however I buy most of my watches Pre-Owned, especially my PAMs, and my source had a Sub Carbotech 2616(47mm), so I get/got what he's got, lol Though I wanted this one in 42 ideally, I've got the original Bronzos along with the 389, which is probably my most worn PAM, so I'm comfortable with the 47mm size. That said, the 42 Carbotech is a beautiful piece that is striking without overpowering the wrist, and I think that you'll really like it🤙 All the Best🍻 RP
Many thanks RP. I'm looking at the pam 1231 - it's approx 15k GBP in the UK new. For me it fits better than the offshore and value retention aisde satisfies my requirements for an all black diver. Not had experience wirh carbon or carbo tech before so appreciate your input. Regards Raj
I’m also big fan of AP..but in diver rank Blancpain 50fathoms is n1…I like this carbon edition a lot..I have AP offshore black themes,H seria-produced only one year and last year of iconic original offshore designe..I love my AP a lot.. this carbon diver is most beautiful diver by AP (my taste) ..I’m weithing new Rolex Submariner and I will be very happy if I change submariner with offshore diver carbon in future, but that's almost impossible …are you also collector of art,my friend is in charge for sale..
Hello @@felixmarks9352, thanks for responding👊 It's ironic that ya bring up the Blancpain Fiddy as it is also my fave diver!! In fact, I have the Dark Knight on right now as I type this response(Black PVD Fiddy #5015-11C30-52 for those unfamiliar), with plans to wear the Rose Gold Blue Dial/blue sapphire insert Fiddy for this evening's New Year's festivities(#5015 3603C 63B). Your AP example is a gorgeous piece and I hope that you enjoy it in good health!! Happy New Year Brotha🍻 RP
I had a 15202 39mm Jumbo (shown in the video) and I wasn't crazy about it, but I actually think the 15300 is better. Quick-set date, tougher movement, central seconds hand.
Interesting watch but I always found it weird that AP copied the Omega Seamaster Helium Escape value with the Offshore diver. Honestly I think I the original Royal Oak is a beauty and a total classic grail watch, but I would take an SMP300 any day as a daily wear over this offshore. I know this makes me a loony but this watch or any offshore diver just doesn’t do it for me
lmao. spoke my mind!!! expensive mechanical watches are a piece of jewelry. stop saying they're tool watches! expensive movements are pretty and cool. if we valued accuracy and robustness then we'd go back to quartz/digital watches. or at least springdrives.. whether it's a dive watch, a racing watch, a moon watch. ya'll basically LARP'ing lol
Thanks for sharing. Always exciting to see you review these high end time pieces due to your comparison to other watches in different price tiers. Polprof diameter = over 9000
You should take the watch on Consignment. This way it’s not theft from John. 😂😂😂 I like this watch, I also like Hublot as well. Both have something to say, and neither are reasonable. Which, I guess is fun, because after all, watch people are reasonable 😂
Funny video,many clever observations- I’ve collected and enjoyed watches for 40 years - at 1 time the prices were rational even for the every day human now these watches are sold between dealers and celebrities and fools who would try to be like them - don’t be a fool ;) thanks HODINKEE and John Mayer for the ruining at 1 time a classy and unique hobby
the overall weight, and top heaviness is what makes the ROO uncomfortable. Compared to my Aquanaut, my gosh, I'd take the Aquanaut every time for being so much more balanced and easy to wear.
I also really like the offshore diver and have been leaning towards one on a steel bracelet - hard to find used... My wrist is 8.5" and my question is if you think that would be more comfortable for me than your experience. For reference, because of your bad influence, I bought a titanium Ploprof like yours and love it after a year and a half of use.
Love the contreversial points made @ 3:55 . No actual professional diver is going to take a Rolex Sub down to work underwater for 6 hours. Although, they might take a Gshock ;)
@@eustab.anas-mann9510 considering the submariner is touching 10k, pre owned in steel, I've seen them go around 12-15k. AP vs Rolex prestige wise, well you decide. I personally have always loved internal timing bezels. It started with the hamilton khaki pilot pioneer aluminium.
True luxury is buying a plastic dive watch that is nearly impossible to rotate the bezel under water and paying $30k for the privilege! Just flexing the AP logo 😎. Nice looking watch thou.
Honestly only watched the video because I forgot your wrist size
Me too!
Same!
😂
🎉🎉🎉 SEVEN INCH WRIST 🎉🎉🎉
Great review. This used to be my dream watch back in the day. Now that I’m looking at it…that’s a solid 10K watch at most. Replace the AP logo with Doxa and it’s probably a 5K watch…
Tissot Sideral 1k watch...
Movement + movement finishing alone is about 4K
@@HRM.H the movement itself is really nothing special by todays standards though.
@@TheEasyRaildoes it have the powermatic with plastic pallet fork or the one with the normal ruby gems? I hate tissot for making that garbage and putting it in the prx.
Lots of solid chuckle moments in this; also TY for dispelling the “tool watch” fallacy… I dive with a fixed bezel kontiki because I know a dive bezel aint getting used under water. It feels cool, that’s why I do it.
I respect that
I have this watch and I love it. It is so unique and get a lot of comments on how different and understated it is. It is one of those watches that if you know, you know.
I also love this watch..I have AP offshore black themes H seria in stainles steel..I also weith new submariner 41mm.. I dream of replacing submariner with an AP diver forged carbon .. but it's just a dream..
For me, your channel was always about the hobby and not about specific watches. I'll never own 99.9% of the watches you review but I watch 100% of your videos because they teache me about this weird passion we all share. Keep up the good work 🤘
Do the Omega Ultra Deep next. I want one, but I need a rational mind to tell me that it's not a "tool" watch, rather I'll look like a tool wearing it to my kids t-ball game.
Arranging that right now. You won't look anymore like a tool than those dads in lifted luxury pickups.
Ha! Yeah…those…those idiots!
(starts sobbing uncontrollably in the cab of my lifted F-250 King Ranch Edition with optional truck nuts)
@@YoureTerrific
I got into hand tool woodworking a few years ago. Found I really enjoyed buying, restoring and sharpening saws, chisels and hand planes. I really admire the craftsmanship and design of these items and knowing that with basic maintenance, they'll outlast me. But the fact of the matter is, when it comes to actually getting work done, I go with my powertools, partly because they're faster, partly because I lack the skill and insight to properly utilize hand tools.
Mechanical tool watches are the same. I love dive watches, and I love mechanical movements. I have zero interest in diving, but if I did, I wouldn't use a mechanical movement watch. I'd use a diving computer.
There's a whole simulacra/simulation conversation to be had here, but the internet and modern white collar work has eroded my ability to think deeper than the depth of a piss creek, so you'll have to make due with my meandering story.
I like this watch. Mainly because reminds me of my all analog G-SHOCK GWR-B1000. Both have carbon cases, sapphire crystals and rubber (mine is carbon fibre reinforced) straps. The two biggest differences are: price and shock resistance. I mean the AP is a little bit more expensive and far less shockproof. I am quite happy with my G-SHOCK.
No one cares lol the fact that you even made that comparison says a lot about your brain capacity
G-SHOCK was shock proof yo, until he was not. Sadly he passed. We are talkin bout Digital Underground Humpty Dance Guy right?
He was honest about the cost/value aspect of this piece. Not worth 30k but won't say no if offered for free.
Damn right
7:30 from the argument that starts here, picture this, all these expensive watches suddenly become available for around 500 dollars each. Which would you pick? Suddenly it's all about the ones you like the look of. Would you still buy rolex when you could buy a patek or ap? Funnily enough, this is what happens when you enter the world of super replicas, all these watches that you might dream of owning can now be obtained for 500 dollars. Sure they're only 99% identical and a few might need modding, like the royal oak and nautilus bracelets and cases, but overall you get amazing watches for great prices. So you might start to also wonder how much the real ones are actually worth, like from these reps you'd think about 300 to 400 just for the materials and most of the machining excluding hand finishing work on some like the ap's and pp's, but besides that how much does the engineering, r&d and marketing really go into the final price tag? Personally I'm never really going to buy any of these brands even tho I could, maybe if it's solid gold, otherwise nope.
Very interesting to hear your opinion about the wearing comfort. I actually owned the exact same reference (15710ST) and it felt quite good with my even smaller 6.5" wrist. Yeah it looked big and bold but that was exactly the look I was aiming for. My strap was extremely comfortable but yeah it was quite top heavy. But that didn't lead to a descent in comfort. Funny enough I also bought it in 2019 and sold it after around 9 months of ownership. Not because it was too big or whatever. The only complaints I had were the rubber crowns that are probably done in a few years and need to be replaced by a 'reasonable' amount of money and the lume was just sh*t. Even the dial pattern didn't have anything I would say 'ow, look at this 20k piece!'. Compared to some GS watches it was simply underwhelming - to me. In the end I sold it because the (very beautiful!) movement suddenly stopped working. Luckily within the warranty time span even I bought it used at that time. The AP service center managed to send the watch back to me 3 times - always with new scratches even on the screws like a 1-day-newbie apprentice tried to open it without any knowledge about how a screw works. It was laughably ridicolous. Customer experience (here in Germany) was simply sh*t as well. That was were I decided to never buy an AP again. Even tough I really like their RO designs, especially the Offshores. Thanks!
"9000 mm across" 😂😂😂
You’re supposed to set the timer before you dive. That’s how you set a diver watch. So yeah, you can use this to time your dives
When I heard about your feedback on the wearability of the R.O. Driver, I paused, got up, and measured my wrist for the first time.
Because damn, I have the exact same discomfort with mine.
We might make great pals.😂
But in all honesty, I would pick the Seamaster Black Ceramic 43.5mm over the R.O Diver any day.
Technically the first Offshore Diver was already launched in 2005 via Wempe.
Thank you for stating that luxury watches aren't tool watches. You want a real tool watch, buy yourself a Citizen Aqualand that can compliment your diving computer! Although I love diving watches, the only dives I do are on my work desk 😊.
Great review as always.. Keep it up
For AP, I honestly feel it is mostly the prestige. However, that doesn't really detract much on how a good timepiece it is
Prefer the original: The CasiOak 🙂
Nice Casio homage
Royal oak offshore is a fun and casual watch. It might be too cumbersome to wear.
It’s just a damn good looking watch.
Would you like it if it wasn't expensive...Great question. I think the answer is "not especially".
Which kinda wearable or smaller feel, the AP diver or Panerai Sub 42mm?
My wrist is a little under 8 inches, and loved my 15710; I loved its heft and size, and I wore it every day for about 2 years before I traded it in.
Bro, did you really sell the Santos? 😂
What’s a Santos?
@@YoureTerrific 😂🤡
As a retired Certified Swiss Master Maison(CSOMH), I purchased this piece pre-owned in 2015 at a very fair price from a former source. Having been a luxury Collector for 44+ years, I was looking for a Carbon piece, and the 15706AU.OO.A002CA.01 fit the bill🤙
I would obviously only recommend this as a secondary, ancillary or tertiary wear, as though the Offshore Collection is more robust than the standard Oak Collection, this is still not a primary/daily wear piece.
Overall I've been very happy with it though it doesn't get much wrist time as I swap this out with a carbon PAM when I want the black watch look, which isn't often, lol
Nice vid & comments, especially regarding the present day luxury divers doubling as "tool watches," 😂😂🤙
Stay Well & Continued Success👊
RP
Interested to hear how your carbon pam has held up. I'm considering the pam42 carbo tech sub
Hey @@rajmehta6210, I hope all's well👊
Great watch, as my Bro has one(1242) and that's actually the one that I wanted however I buy most of my watches Pre-Owned, especially my PAMs, and my source had a Sub Carbotech 2616(47mm), so I get/got what he's got, lol
Though I wanted this one in 42 ideally, I've got the original Bronzos along with the 389, which is probably my most worn PAM, so I'm comfortable with the 47mm size.
That said, the 42 Carbotech is a beautiful piece that is striking without overpowering the wrist, and I think that you'll really like it🤙
All the Best🍻
RP
Many thanks RP. I'm looking at the pam 1231 - it's approx 15k GBP in the UK new. For me it fits better than the offshore and value retention aisde satisfies my requirements for an all black diver. Not had experience wirh carbon or carbo tech before so appreciate your input.
Regards
Raj
I’m also big fan of AP..but in diver rank Blancpain 50fathoms is n1…I like this carbon edition a lot..I have AP offshore black themes,H seria-produced only one year and last year of iconic original offshore designe..I love my AP a lot.. this carbon diver is most beautiful diver by AP (my taste) ..I’m weithing new Rolex Submariner and I will be very happy if I change submariner with offshore diver carbon in future, but that's almost impossible …are you also collector of art,my friend is in charge for sale..
Hello @@felixmarks9352, thanks for responding👊
It's ironic that ya bring up the Blancpain Fiddy as it is also my fave diver!! In fact, I have the Dark Knight on right now as I type this response(Black PVD Fiddy #5015-11C30-52 for those unfamiliar), with plans to wear the Rose Gold Blue Dial/blue sapphire insert Fiddy for this evening's New Year's festivities(#5015 3603C 63B).
Your AP example is a gorgeous piece and I hope that you enjoy it in good health!!
Happy New Year Brotha🍻
RP
I disagree strongly that a Rolex Submariner is not a tool watch. Done every sort of dirty job while it was on wrist. It is a tough fucking watch.
would you ever get the smaller royal oak? i love the 15300 39mm, my dream watch..
I had a 15202 39mm Jumbo (shown in the video) and I wasn't crazy about it, but I actually think the 15300 is better. Quick-set date, tougher movement, central seconds hand.
I never realised the Ploprof was so big. 😯
Interesting watch but I always found it weird that AP copied the Omega Seamaster Helium Escape value with the Offshore diver. Honestly I think I the original Royal Oak is a beauty and a total classic grail watch, but I would take an SMP300 any day as a daily wear over this offshore. I know this makes me a loony but this watch or any offshore diver just doesn’t do it for me
This watch doesn’t have a helium escape valve.
lmao. spoke my mind!!!
expensive mechanical watches are a piece of jewelry. stop saying they're tool watches! expensive movements are pretty and cool. if we valued accuracy and robustness then we'd go back to quartz/digital watches. or at least springdrives..
whether it's a dive watch, a racing watch, a moon watch. ya'll basically LARP'ing lol
Thanks for sharing. Always exciting to see you review these high end time pieces due to your comparison to other watches in different price tiers.
Polprof diameter = over 9000
If u opt for ROO 3126 enhancement, AP will reduce 59jewel to 54jewel, the watch gets lighter, the min hand jump everytime u adjust the time.
Looks awkward, as far as forming to the human wrist.
Good vid as always…I just still don’t get it with the Royal Oak…any of the models. Just not attractive pieces…any of them.
You should take the watch on Consignment. This way it’s not theft from John. 😂😂😂
I like this watch, I also like Hublot as well. Both have something to say, and neither are reasonable. Which, I guess is fun, because after all, watch people are reasonable 😂
where do i find more information about you? wiki page? something ?
If you go looking you will find only disappointment. Also, my Instagram account.
@@YoureTerrific point me in the right direction (of expected disappointment)
More regular content here: instagram.com/youreterrific1/
@@YoureTerrific thank you,
1. can i come visit?
2. when will i see you wear a Garmin watch?
Funny video,many clever observations- I’ve collected and enjoyed watches for 40 years - at 1 time the prices were rational even for the every day human now these watches are sold between dealers and celebrities and fools who would try to be like them - don’t be a fool ;) thanks HODINKEE and John Mayer for the ruining at 1 time a classy and unique hobby
John said he'll get to Mars and back, take your time...
I regret to inform us that Jon is already back.
@@YoureTerrific So, he had a Mars (chocolate...) and came back. Makes sense.
Lol 9000 meters across… 😂 more like 20000 meters.
Nicknamed the bumblebee this watch should turn into a car or something for that price
Rubber crowns? Do you need rubbers for diving…
Great watch but having inconsistent lume application with the numbers on the bezel is terrible for a high horology.
1 trick pony
the overall weight, and top heaviness is what makes the ROO uncomfortable. Compared to my Aquanaut, my gosh, I'd take the Aquanaut every time for being so much more balanced and easy to wear.
I also really like the offshore diver and have been leaning towards one on a steel bracelet - hard to find used...
My wrist is 8.5" and my question is if you think that would be more comfortable for me than your experience.
For reference, because of your bad influence, I bought a titanium Ploprof like yours and love it after a year and a half of use.
Damn that looks like a Casioak
Without a doubt most divers and pilots wear citizen, reliable, accurate and reasonable price. They are true tool watches.
AP Offshore is kinda like what Hublot would make with the same type of customers.
looks like a g-shock:)
Looks like a Casioak
7:37 Please let me now😅 I do not know many. First that comes to my mind is the Essence Leggera by Formex
No offense - if you don‘t know what it is, then you see a nice chunky watch but no one would get excited about it.
Hey I saw you tried in the Havana(brown dial blue subdial), what do u think about it?
Great to hear someone say that mechanical watches aren't tool watches but jewelry. Completely agree. And I still love my Daytona.
funky intro Evan !
I think he left you the watch just in case you wanted to purchase it 🤔
This is definitely my favorite INVICTA 😅
🚨🚨💪💪 *7 inch wrist* ®💪💪🚨🚨
If it said ocean crawler 1200 bucks id still skip past it
Great looking watch. How big is your wrist?
Is it bad to want the watches you own to do what they are meant to do even if you don’t use them that way 😂
The Royal Oak went to the bottom offshore near the coast of Orkney after a U boat attack.
Not for me, but great video. Thanks!
Love the contreversial points made @ 3:55 . No actual professional diver is going to take a Rolex Sub down to work underwater for 6 hours. Although, they might take a Gshock ;)
Blancpain 50 fathoms is king of dive watches..
Do you reckon bergeon destined their screwdrivers so that we would use them in our watch videos and photos?
Not in their wildest and most regrettable dreams.
Interesting way to say that he flipped a watch
I reply don’t like the Offshore line
What!? I've been coming to the channel for ALL my watch news the past 3 years. I just assumed it's been a quiet few years.
RIP
Before the diver, there was the Wempe diver.
Please tell me you didn't buy this
Did you watch the video?
@@YoureTerrific🤣🤣🤣
It’s over 9000 mm!!!!😂
Thanks buddy John 👌
Love it. Not something id ever buy, but i think its a great design and colorway. Love the bigger guilloche pattern on this model
To answer your question, this is probably the only AP "royal oak" that we see ourselves being able to afford somewhere in the near future.
25K? Insanity.
@@eustab.anas-mann9510 considering the submariner is touching 10k, pre owned in steel, I've seen them go around 12-15k. AP vs Rolex prestige wise, well you decide. I personally have always loved internal timing bezels. It started with the hamilton khaki pilot pioneer aluminium.
Oh yesssss
Kinda looks like a Swatch/AP collab.
OakSwatch confirmed
@@YoureTerrific much better than Royal Swoak.
True luxury is buying a plastic dive watch that is nearly impossible to rotate the bezel under water and paying $30k for the privilege! Just flexing the AP logo 😎. Nice looking watch thou.
turning the bezel is not even done under water, but before diving..
All these videos and he never mentions his wrist size😔
I’m unsubscribing
Who are you talking to? No one here can afford this. Go back to '-1000- mate, Used to like your channel but you went woke....
first!
Oh, look. Its that one watch ap makes.