Potting the black of the break and "Losing" stems from all the old pool machines, where it was not possible to simply re-rack, as you had to put another pound in to get all the balls out. This is an old pub rule that people sort of adopted. The official rules is a re-rack.
Ah Martyn, I see you were raised in a pub like me. If you were around when it used to be 30p a game, you may remember being able to get free games by using two 10p’s and jamming the tray in and out really fast thus releasing the balls and the coins…
I’ve gone halfway down the comments and couldn’t see anyone mention Williams shot on his second to last yellow. Thin clip at speed to develop his last yellow by a “covered” pocket. Landed absolutely plum. Deffo worth a mention. Right at the end
Couldn't you have actually shown them play properly, instead of these random cuts and camera angles? I would love to see how good these guys are at regular pool, but from this video I have no idea. Please just post the full frames without music and camera cuts.
@@DenisHuaHin Nah, I'm waaaay better than Mark Williams. He wouldn't stand a chance against me, an average guy who gets to play pool maybe twice a year on average.
Had a doubles game of pool once, eyes closed, hopping on one leg,cue held one handed in opposite hand,(guided by partner-“left a bit, right a bit) ect, quite drunk, game took a couple of hours,buddy potted an amazing long black, best memory of a life in pool🎱 ps you can tell mark love his pool- he is a hero
best I ever played was in Birmingham Uni student union one Saturday afternoon after the rugby on TV. One handed, holding a pint, not even looking at the ball, beat the posh twat off my course in doubles. He stormed out saying "I've never been so insulted" after getting thrashed, and the three of us went on the razz for a few hours after, pissing ourselves at the memory.
What’s with the daft cuts, like we don’t see that red magically disappear and instead jimmy’s about to pit the black instead of the impossible red ffs 😂😂
I’m saying the obvious anyone can pot balls on a 9 ball pool table doesn’t make him great and just for info when he was at his best the pockets were a lot bigger work that one out.
Literally better than me playing one handed, these guys are the snooker equivalent of that guy who says he could beat you up with one hand tied behind his back
Always known it as winning off the break unless another ball is also potted at the same time at which point you then lost . Happy to be educated ....anyone ?
@@kylemc0254 Pub rules fella . I say pub rules , the redacted and altered rules that no-one reads you sometimes find next to a pool table down the local boozer that are 15 years out of date . Much easier to say before you start no picking up the white and 1 shot on the black . If someone knows what you are on about then its a fair game .
Woah woah woah. You don't lose the frame if you pot the black off the break. You just re-rack that frame and the original breaker breaks again. Mark cheated Jimmy there.
Black off the break is a win for me. Cos it's just so cool I think. I remember the first time I did this and my friends and I agreed if you do it it's a WIN.
That's a point, I play loads of one-handed shots if I'm showing off or taking the piss but I've never tried a one-handed break. I bet it's as difficult as it looks here lol
Years ago at school, I potted only black on the break and i won the frame!! However, looking at the pub pool rules....It says "If the black is pocketed from the break shot, the balls will be re- racked and the same player will restart the game. No penalty will be incurred." !!
Therr are so many variations to uk pool / pub rules. Im with you on a re rack. I always argue over skill shots. Now whenever i play i make sure we are playijg the same rules beforehand
@@djkwikstar I played in a pool league for years, and the rules are that if you pot the black on the break it's a re-rack. You're also dead right about different rules for different pubs/venues.
Strange how they play with a different stance than in Snooker. Even when I'm playing pool on a 7' table, I always have the same technique and stance as when I'm playing snooker
Depends on the rules. UK pool has had changes upon changes over the years. There's also differences in rules region to region. When I first played pool in the pub potting the black lost you the game... but years later it won you the game. It may have even yet changed again.
2:35 the disappearing red... Eurosport always do this kind of video editing in these shows (eg. ronnie o'sullivan show vs strickland). I don't understand, who is the target audience?
2nd game in, I've seen no end of arguments on this one when on break you plot the black, Official Rules are re-rack but on coin op being it's so hard to pot the Black we played it as a win, other places played it at a loss, or those who wanted to play by the official rules risked breaking or dislocating their fingers by trying stop the black from dropping in, have seen plenty of big Irish builders managing to grab the ball whilst it went in the pocket but couldn't get their hand back out cause their hands were so big. Have seen and been part of some big old barnies due to various rules in different places, So before playing establish your rules saves a whole lot of trouble.
I think a lot of confusion is due to pool having three main rule sets (Old EPA, Official EPA and IPA Blackball rules) but interestingly despite all being different the rule in this case is the same regardless of which set of rules you play. It should be re-rack with the same player breaking - even if a foul shot is committed otherwise. Bit of a weird one if you ask me.
Depends on rule set. International rules that’s a rerack. The old English rules (can’t remember the abbreviation) it’s a loss. On a golden break rule set, it’s a win. All just depends on which rules they were playing to- and it’s pretty clear that they didn’t agree beforehand to one rule set
I've always had a dream to own a pool table at home and with RED cloth too. I own my own home outright and could afford a pool table, but I don't really have the room for it as I only have a one bed flat. I could put it in the bedroom, but then I'd have no bed.
it depends which rules you use. There are always other rules for example in different countries. In Philippines 8-ball you lose when you pot the black at the break. But actually the black would go back to the spot because it was a correct shot. But everywhere you have different rules.
@@Musician7831 No. Normally and if the white is still on the table the 8 is put back to the spot and the breaking player can decide to make to new break shot or play on. In the US there are sometimes some different rulesets.
On these kinds of pool tables the white ball is smaller (coin operated). This can actually throw off your angle aiming quite a bit when you're used to playing with a cueball that's the same size as the object balls. Also, the balls look terrible quality and will have chips and scuffs of them that cause a lot of bad contacts. If they both practiced on this table for a few days before playing, rather than just having a quick casual knockabout like this, they'd be playing very differently. Remember, snooker players only get into top tournaments by spending years practicing really hard on the exact same type of tables. Even the best in the world suddenly start losing badly after a few months without properly focused practice.
2.35 in there’s a red ball completely hampering the black ball impossible to pot so jimmy is in a word fuc#ed skip to 2 seconds later the black ball isn’t hampered the red ball magically vanished and jimmy wins 🧐🧐🧐 hmmmm tv pool nothing like it 👌🏻👌🏻
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Two absolute top blokes and two of the greatest snooker players we've ever seen 👏 🙌 👌
1 and 3/4 maybe
@@coderider3022 What?
Potting the black of the break and "Losing" stems from all the old pool machines, where it was not possible to simply re-rack, as you had to put another pound in to get all the balls out. This is an old pub rule that people sort of adopted. The official rules is a re-rack.
Nah….golden break wins the frame!
Ah Martyn, I see you were raised in a pub like me. If you were around when it used to be 30p a game, you may remember being able to get free games by using two 10p’s and jamming the tray in and out really fast thus releasing the balls and the coins…
@@rchstokes9064 Thats 9-Ball
@@wrcoles 30p? I remember when pool was 5p a game!
@@ChrisTravelss that's ultimate/international rules and some blackball formats too now
Mark seems a lovely bloke, hope he wins the Masters
Oops
Daamn man he has had his chances! One of the best matches i have ever seen in a very long while
was gutted he didnt make to the final. If he did, he wouldve won!!
Williams is brilliant, only guy to get naked for a bet in an interview, gotta give him props for that.
Think I'm more impressed in jimmy quickly racking up without the triangle and getting it spot on.
It wasn’t spot on tho. That’s not how you rack the balls
This was jolly good fun!
When Mark-Johnson Allen went pro two people introduced themselves to the newbie. Dennis Taylor and Jimmy White. An absolute gent.
this kind of videos is fun to watch with jimmy white.
Jimmy’s bonnet is amazing 🥲
Jim always always lookin stylish, playing in the blazer👍
come on Eurosport Snooker, they're playing pool, not snooker!
and we love it, it's a fluff video lol
I’ve gone halfway down the comments and couldn’t see anyone mention Williams shot on his second to last yellow. Thin clip at speed to develop his last yellow by a “covered” pocket. Landed absolutely plum. Deffo worth a mention. Right at the end
Unbelievably, your comment popped up just as i was watching it. 😀 Spooky!. . Dead right, fine shot indeed!!☝️
Same that’s one of the best pool shots I’ve seen.
Potting the black off the break isn’t a foul, it’s a re-rack. I demand an immediate rematch and public apology
It's a victory and a pint from the opponent where I come from. Local rules rule!
It's a golden break but obviously he wasn't playing the golden break rule
It depends if they're playing world rules or blackball rules.
Didn't Jimmy get credited with a victory in the video? Don't panic. Common sense prevailed.
@@jama211 It's a re-rack in both world rules and blackball rules
Couldn't you have actually shown them play properly, instead of these random cuts and camera angles? I would love to see how good these guys are at regular pool, but from this video I have no idea. Please just post the full frames without music and camera cuts.
Just except they are better than you.
@@DenisHuaHin shut up denis
@@DenisHuaHin Nah, I'm waaaay better than Mark Williams. He wouldn't stand a chance against me, an average guy who gets to play pool maybe twice a year on average.
@Wayne Anthony Holmes Errr I was being sarcastic....
Jimmy white plays a lot of pool, he comes every yet to our pool hall in Thailand, he’s played pro comps many times
Had a doubles game of pool once, eyes closed, hopping on one leg,cue held one handed in opposite hand,(guided by partner-“left a bit, right a bit) ect, quite drunk, game took a couple of hours,buddy potted an amazing long black, best memory of a life in pool🎱 ps you can tell mark love his pool- he is a hero
That sounds great! Ur right but I bet he's enjoying this one especially, as he will be used to playing against garbo players in his hol home
best I ever played was in Birmingham Uni student union one Saturday afternoon after the rugby on TV. One handed, holding a pint, not even looking at the ball, beat the posh twat off my course in doubles. He stormed out saying "I've never been so insulted" after getting thrashed, and the three of us went on the razz for a few hours after, pissing ourselves at the memory.
Loved seeing these 2 ♥️♥️♥️
Love ????
Mark down to earth.
Two LEGENDS having fun, love these two guys. Maybe “Rocket” Ronnie should’ve been there to take on the winner!
Love what ???
@@matimus100 Love these two gents. weird question.
What’s with the daft cuts, like we don’t see that red magically disappear and instead jimmy’s about to pit the black instead of the impossible red ffs 😂😂
Right? It's like watching a music video where you hear one thing and the drummer is clearly playing something else.
Agreed I actually wanted to watch them play pool
Love Mark Williams, so gifted and so much more likeable than 'you know who'.
Did you close your eyes on that one? Where the hell did jimmys last red go that was behind the black?
The way he made the triangle was genius
This was bloody fantastic.
Two great ambassadors of the game
I've seen Jimmy White make some of the most seemingly impossible shots in snooker, fantastic 9 ball player as well.
The pockets on 9 pool are massive get real you sy.
@@Steve-vi5dt I'd respond, but your comment doesn't make a lot of sense.
I’m saying the obvious anyone can pot balls on a 9 ball pool table doesn’t make him great and just for info when he was at his best the pockets were a lot bigger work that one out.
@@Steve-vi5dt Jimmy White is both a snooker and 9 ball player.
@@bryanl3452 You play 9 ball when you realise you was playing on buckets
Literally better than me playing one handed, these guys are the snooker equivalent of that guy who says he could beat you up with one hand tied behind his back
There's a guy has a snooker channel on you tube that can clear a snooker table one handed century break. 147 under 4 minutes too .
2 Legends
Black of break is a re rack?? What rules were they playing
Always known it as winning off the break unless another ball is also potted at the same time at which point you then lost .
Happy to be educated ....anyone ?
@@godzillas6301 ya just commented the same. black off the break with no other balls wins you the game where I'm from.
@@godzillas6301 is that international rules?
In world rules and blackball rules its re rack break again
@@kylemc0254 Pub rules fella .
I say pub rules , the redacted and altered rules that no-one reads you sometimes find next to a pool table down the local boozer that are 15 years out of date .
Much easier to say before you start no picking up the white and 1 shot on the black . If someone knows what you are on about then its a fair game .
@@godzillas6301 if your about to break dish and someone goes oh double the black aint it
Anyone who can beat jimmy at trick shots is a great player, and we all know mark is a wonderful player
Hilarious taking the break with one hand
Absolute state of that rack at 0:55, 4 yellows in a row down the right hand side 😂
legends
Woah woah woah. You don't lose the frame if you pot the black off the break. You just re-rack that frame and the original breaker breaks again. Mark cheated Jimmy there.
Black off the break is a win for me. Cos it's just so cool I think. I remember the first time I did this and my friends and I agreed if you do it it's a WIN.
That's a point, I play loads of one-handed shots if I'm showing off or taking the piss but I've never tried a one-handed break. I bet it's as difficult as it looks here lol
Home Farm Burnham on sea….. I was in that bar with Mark William’s watching the AJ v Klich fight!!!! And black of break is re-rack
"The Welsh Potting Machine" Mark James Williams vs "The Magician" Efren "Bata" Reyes is my dream match.
Good to see you can tell the difference between snooker and pool.
How on earth did you get the games mixed up eurosport
I always thought that if you pot the black and nothing else from the break, then you have won.
In old rules yes I believe. Modern league rules no
U certainly don't lose the game and it's a re rack
@@parksyist depends on what rule set you’re using. Many different rule sets for pool, depending on the league they will have different outcomes
More videos like these.. plz
Where did the red next to the black disappear to at 2:33 ? 😂
Years ago at school, I potted only black on the break and i won the frame!! However, looking at the pub pool rules....It says "If the black is pocketed from the break shot, the balls will be re-
racked and the same player will restart the game. No penalty will
be incurred." !!
Therr are so many variations to uk pool / pub rules. Im with you on a re rack. I always argue over skill shots. Now whenever i play i make sure we are playijg the same rules beforehand
@@djkwikstar I played in a pool league for years, and the rules are that if you pot the black on the break it's a re-rack. You're also dead right about different rules for different pubs/venues.
I like both of these blokes , just normal lads having fun. But WHERE?
Is this game called carom? similar to 8 ball with red/yellow instead of stripes/solids? looks awesome!
No lol. This is English 8 ball. Carom is a totally different game, with no pockets and only 3 balls
Greatest ever left hander to pick up a cue.......and Williams is not too shabby either.
Williams 3 worlds v Jimmy 0
They should play a frame right handed.
Two top blokes 👌🏻🍀
The best 2 left handers of all time?
Robertson and Allen are close but they don’t cut it against these two legends
To say your euro sport u would think they would know the difference between snooker and pool lmao! 😂 Still a good watch tho
Exactly! WTH! 🤦🏻♂ This is English Pool.
@esp ele snooker and pool dont have the same rules wut
@esp ele English pool is the same as American pool you just have smaller pockets pretty much, snooker isn't even the same game lol
@esp ele slightly yeah, but the point is it isn't the same as snooker lol
@esp ele your initial comment was 'its the same rules' in response to someone saying this is pool not snooker
Jimmy White's syrup is outstanding
Strange how they play with a different stance than in Snooker. Even when I'm playing pool on a 7' table, I always have the same technique and stance as when I'm playing snooker
I understand they're not trying hard but for me it takes extra effort to play from a higher stance than in Snooker
How has the official Eurosport snooker channel uploaded this with the title ‘playing snooker’ when it’s clearly pool 😂
I saw Mark once in a Ferrari in wales he was coming towards me I was in a red transit I just saw his face! Was ages ago
Quality players
To be fair. Jimmy won the second rack with a golden break.
In Blackball rules he neither win or lose, he just breaks again.
Depends on whether they're playing world rules or blackball rules
2:35 red behind the black magically disappears. thought the viewers were closing their eyes too huh
Would have been good to see the full games must have only been two/three minutes a game.
I didn't think you lost the game potting the black off the break thought you reracked
Depends on the rules. UK pool has had changes upon changes over the years. There's also differences in rules region to region. When I first played pool in the pub potting the black lost you the game... but years later it won you the game. It may have even yet changed again.
Well that was great fun 😂😂
Anyone else notice that red ball disappear on the black ball of the eyes closed game?
2:35 the disappearing red... Eurosport always do this kind of video editing in these shows (eg. ronnie o'sullivan show vs strickland).
I don't understand, who is the target audience?
Two absolute genius’s 😊😩😂
Good video, but they could have shown a bit more of the pool
do you lose if you pot the black from break? I always thought it was a re-reack in 8 ball
Depends on which rule set you’re playing under
2nd game in, I've seen no end of arguments on this one when on break you plot the black, Official Rules are re-rack but on coin op being it's so hard to pot the Black we played it as a win, other places played it at a loss, or those who wanted to play by the official rules risked breaking or dislocating their fingers by trying stop the black from dropping in, have seen plenty of big Irish builders managing to grab the ball whilst it went in the pocket but couldn't get their hand back out cause their hands were so big.
Have seen and been part of some big old barnies due to various rules in different places, So before playing establish your rules saves a whole lot of trouble.
Yep. Golden break wins the game!
Mark Williams could be a great pool shark in the U.S. underground. Doubt anyone would know who he is.
Why would he do that when he can earn millions playing snooker lol
Excellent music choice.. 😐
golden break, win or lose?? tough one ive always said lose but some rules have it as win. best to just re-rack and pretend it didnt happen.
I always thought it was a win
I think a lot of confusion is due to pool having three main rule sets (Old EPA, Official EPA and IPA Blackball rules) but interestingly despite all being different the rule in this case is the same regardless of which set of rules you play.
It should be re-rack with the same player breaking - even if a foul shot is committed otherwise. Bit of a weird one if you ask me.
Win where I drink.
Isn't potting the 8 on the break a win (if you don't go in off)?
Depends on rule set. International rules that’s a rerack. The old English rules (can’t remember the abbreviation) it’s a loss. On a golden break rule set, it’s a win. All just depends on which rules they were playing to- and it’s pretty clear that they didn’t agree beforehand to one rule set
Woulda thought eurosport would know the difference between snooker and pool though...
Two guys I would love to party/play snooker with. I can make it happen if they're up for it lol
I've always had a dream to own a pool table at home and with RED cloth too. I own my own home outright and could afford a pool table, but I don't really have the room for it as I only have a one bed flat. I could put it in the bedroom, but then I'd have no bed.
Mate, you pot the black off the break you win the frame. End of.
Whirlwind always was a bad gambler
in sensible rules (world rules or blackball), it's a void break and a re-do
You don’t lose a frame if u pot the black off the break lol
You do in english pool. American 9 ball is where you win
it depends which rules you use. There are always other rules for example in different countries. In Philippines 8-ball you lose when you pot the black at the break. But actually the black would go back to the spot because it was a correct shot. But everywhere you have different rules.
@@Musician7831 No. Normally and if the white is still on the table the 8 is put back to the spot and the breaking player can decide to make to new break shot or play on. In the US there are sometimes some different rulesets.
@@Musician7831 em no you do not win in American pool if you Pot The 8 ball.
it's a void break normally
good video
Good sports both of em :)
Set the balls up wrong in the 5th frame
True one handed youre not allowed to put your other hand on any part of the table
I don't think Jimmy should be gambling, it's done him no favours in the past
Wheres the triangle
You’d think mark would have a proper pool table with good cues lol
What's wrong with the table?
The best thing about this is, even on a small pool table the best professional snooker players can miss. Brilliant.👍
On these kinds of pool tables the white ball is smaller (coin operated). This can actually throw off your angle aiming quite a bit when you're used to playing with a cueball that's the same size as the object balls. Also, the balls look terrible quality and will have chips and scuffs of them that cause a lot of bad contacts. If they both practiced on this table for a few days before playing, rather than just having a quick casual knockabout like this, they'd be playing very differently.
Remember, snooker players only get into top tournaments by spending years practicing really hard on the exact same type of tables. Even the best in the world suddenly start losing badly after a few months without properly focused practice.
@@DM-kv9kj don't forget the cues they are using as well make it ten times harder
Snooker plays will struggle to make it to the top of the pool world. But pool players can easily become good snooker players
@@dnbmania Wrong way round mate
@@ekharttolle6627 mark Selby is living proof that pool players will dominate snooker
2.35 in there’s a red ball completely hampering the black ball impossible to pot so jimmy is in a word fuc#ed skip to 2 seconds later the black ball isn’t hampered the red ball magically vanished and jimmy wins 🧐🧐🧐 hmmmm tv pool nothing like it 👌🏻👌🏻
How did mark get position on last red? Clearly been picked up and placed at the bottom end of the table
Jimmy White has the hair of a fourteen year old boy! It's high time he gave it him back!
Silly comment
It's obviously his own hair and he colours the grey
If the black goes in off the break then it’s a re rack!
The second game should have been a re-rack
Quality
Some half decent play considering the cues and chalk they have, and potting the black off the break is a re-rack all day long.
According to your rules not classic rules
@@freedo7266 classic rules lol, you don’t know much about pool then.
Potting the black on the break is a re-rack.
Jimmy is right I always played black off break and you win
Black off break is re-rack
Black I'm off the break was called super break in my day. The break would win
WOW es gibt ein Red Billardtisch das gefällt mir 🫂
actually, if you pot the black on the break-off it is supposed to be respoted....
re rack and shoot again in "world" eight ball rules
Thanks for clearing that up I thought so
Thought u said they was playing snooker
the rules my local play is if you pot the black from break you win the frame
Jimmy won. The 2nd rack was a golden break. 2-0 Jimmy.
Mark Williams is......i don't find the right words........I would really like to play some Frames with him......even if i'll lose every Frame. XDDD
Come on Jimmy!
US 8 ball pot the black on the break and you win. Not the same in UK pub pool?