Frore Systems at Computex 2024: 2x faster Arm Laptops, Smartphones, HDMI Sticks, Edge Computing, SSD
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Seshu Madhavapeddy, CEO and co-founder of Frore Systems, introduces AirJet, the world's first solid-state active cooling chip. Unlike traditional mechanical cooling solutions like fans, the AirJet is extremely thin at 2.5 mm and operates silently. This innovation is poised to revolutionize the industry by providing efficient heat dissipation in ultra-thin and compact devices, as well as in dustproof and waterproof enclosures. Madhavapeddy highlights that traditional active cooling solutions, which require vents, often lead to dust accumulation and reduced device performance over time. In contrast, the AirJet eliminates this problem by allowing devices to remain sealed and thus free from dust infiltration, potentially extending their lifespan significantly.
At Computex, Madhavapeddy showcased various applications of the AirJet, including its integration with ARM-powered laptops and smartphones. He noted that while ARM processors are known for their efficiency, their increasing power necessitates effective cooling solutions. The AirJet can enable devices like the iPad Pro to perform at levels comparable to or even exceeding those of MacBooks by significantly enhancing their thermal management. Demonstrations included an iPad Pro equipped with AirJet Minis, which improved its performance by 55% without compromising its slim form factor. This indicates the potential for ARM-based devices to run more intensive operating systems like macOS at full performance if equipped with adequate cooling.
The AirJet's benefits were further illustrated with a MacBook Air rigged with three AirJet Minis, which allowed the device to utilize the full performance of its M3 chip. Without altering the laptop’s thickness, the AirJet enhanced its thermal envelope, showcasing its ability to maintain high performance in thin devices. This is critical for leveraging the full capabilities of modern processors, which are often throttled due to heat constraints. Madhavapeddy emphasized that the AirJet maintains silent operation and dustproof qualities while improving performance, making it an attractive solution for thin laptops and other compact devices.
In the gaming smartphone sector, the AirJet was shown to boost CPU performance by 40%. By integrating just one AirJet Mini, a smartphone could achieve significant performance gains without sacrificing form factor or generating additional noise. This improvement is particularly beneficial for gaming applications, where sustained high performance is crucial. The ability to maintain high CPU power levels without overheating enhances the user experience, allowing for more immersive and extended gameplay sessions.
Madhavapeddy also explained the scientific principles behind the AirJet, which utilizes high-velocity pulsating jets of air to remove heat efficiently. These jets, reaching speeds of 200 km/h, impinge on a copper bottom, absorbing and expelling heat. This innovative approach ensures that devices can maintain optimal temperatures even under high workloads, further underscoring the AirJet’s potential to replace traditional cooling methods in various electronics.
The versatility of the AirJet was demonstrated through its application in the Nvidia Jetson Orin NX processor, a high-performance AI computing solution. By replacing traditional fan-based cooling with AirJet technology, the performance metrics improved across the board. The AirJet pack not only delivered better cooling but also maintained a thin, silent, and dustproof profile, illustrating its effectiveness in industrial and edge computing scenarios.
Mass production of the AirJet is already underway, with manufacturing facilities in Taiwan. Frore Systems collaborates with several partners to integrate this technology into new products. The unique manufacturing process of the AirJet, which combines innovations from various industries, allows for the production of these advanced cooling chips at scale. Madhavapeddy expressed optimism about the widespread adoption of AirJet, predicting that it will transform the thermal management landscape across multiple device categories.
Lastly, Madhavapeddy highlighted future prospects for the AirJet, including its potential in even smaller form factors like smartphones. The company aims to double the performance of its chips every two years, making them increasingly powerful and efficient. This ongoing innovation could eventually enable smartphones to serve as desktop replacements, fulfilling a long-held dream of integrating mobile and desktop computing capabilities seamlessly.
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Yes, this technology needs to become widespread urgently.
I agree with you, we need it urgently.
problem is the company is india based, not europe or US
@@boxoflazuardi9421 actually no, the company its based in san jose california
I was watching an LTT video at computex. and I was thinking damn I miss that channel I followed of that guy who mainly for awhile just looked at ARM stuff. I went to the home page and BOOM first video in my suggestion was this. RUclips algo is reading my mind.
Dude .. been 2 years since I was WOWED! When is this coming to OEMs ? Why are the OEMs sleeping ? Where's my JET LAPTOP ?
I thought by this year we would have handhelds with this tech but still nothing.
Zotac is the first company to work with airjet, soon many companies will join.
@@asandax6 Its probably very expensive. This company needs a big investment to get the costs down.
This guy deserves to be rich. He came up with an actual useful innovation.
Great interview, the only thing missing was the pricing compared to the existing solution.
High, very very high, at least that would be my bet.
This is ground breaking tech! I don't know why people are missing out on this!
Scaling the production for wider use is not done in a day, only this get laptops could potentially get some
This is over a year old and not groundbreaking tech. You don't know shit and I don't know shit, bro, but big tech companies know shit. And guess what? No one wants this tech, expect Zotac. That's not good news. You talk like you have a good understanding of what the marked wants, but you don't. Zotac is using with intel i3, and it looks like Air jet just isn't suited for higher wattage CPUs.
power requirement's and the hit on battery life, nothing is free! I needed that info ~ but make a kit for my AIR or MBP and id order one today! Ive been watching this evolving tech now for over 2 years and its awesome its now in mass production!
this is a winner.
so the question becomes, by allowing processors to run faster what becomes of the battery life of the mobile devices.
this is one of those transformative technologies and he and his partners deserve the 100's of billions headed their way.
Most mobile devices are configured so they will throttle to a lower speed if you aren't running a heavy load, so under normal use this shouldn't reduce battery life by much. Only when pushing the processor for prolonged periods such as gaming, would you notice any difference in battery life from the extra clock speed afforded by this thermal solution.
battery life should remain the same. faster processor means tasks simply get done quickly and processor remains idle for the rest of the time.
as far as billions the market isn't that big probably in the tens of millions or hundreds of millions
@@avijit849 the market not that big...? apple was selling 50 million phones a quarter. add android phones, every laptop, tvs, even monitors, memory modules, leds, plus specialty devices, oh yes billions. i can see it.
Imagine you come home and plug your phone into your dock to use as a pc and the airjet turns on and doubles or triples the performance
You should get hi performance with no extra loss of battery power. The cooling chip uses less power to run than a regular fan motor.
I’m rooting for This brilliant tech. It takes a lot of time for markets to catch up to it sometime. There was a point where OLED came in and some of the biggest companies, for example, apple took years to start using it cuz OLED was expensive and had a lot of issues like burn-in in the beginning. There are a lot of factors at play. Financial margins, design space accommodations, the technology maturing, signing deals, long-term testing, supply chain at scale, for example, if Apple wants to use it they have to be able to 100 million units at scale & maintain quality control etc. Hope this takes off.
I watched the full 27 minutes and 53 seconds, and still don't find anything on how this actually work. How could they be waterproof and dustproof despite still using moving air to dissipate the heat?
Its because of moving membrane which can block dust and water
@@renify_ I've found the answer on another video. It's basically just as simple as a filter. Because this thing has a very high static pressure, it can overcome the very restrictive nature of a such filter.
You watched 27 minutes and 53 seconds of just one video. This company has introduced this product few years ago on other videos. And those videos are more specific on how this thing works.
Charbax actually had known this product & made another video with this before but in this case he pretended to know less & repeatedly ask the very same questions for the audiences
@@rizkipuruze As you can read above, I've watched another video and found my answer.
@@807800Applause for you man. For actually pointing out you finally got the answer to your question.
Wow...! Do they have a plan to produce for tech-savvy end users, a retail version?
That guy is amazing, I wonder what his background is and how he came up with the idea(academic?)
Yep!
Release a Raspberry Pi version. Hobbyists will love it.
Interviewer : Why is my wife silent?
Frore CEO : We put AirJet minis in it
This technology has been shown a while ago. Why is nobody buying this? We should have seen laptops with this already.
price + extra power + short lifespan
You can see that this man makes these devices with a lot of love and passion
big question but why not sell and implement in handheld pc gaming.
just do a cost analysis. how much is it? I don't care anymore at how good it is. do cost comparisons and noise comparison
This is a game changer amazing 👏 ❤
Create another line of business to make kits that can retrofit these into current macbook/air/pro or any large volume selling notebooks. Not all can be done as some needs cutouts.
Great interview.
This is just repeat and repeat. How many years will they talk about this tech. Almost no manufacturer wants this tech, I wonder why ?
came here to say the same. Don't like how he keeps saying first time. he said that like 2 years or more ago. I'm guessing cost and performance is no where near a fan. kind of bored with the same marketing spiel
I agree with both of you, only promises since 2 years ago, nothing happened
I think OEMs are still not ready to adapt this tech hence, he will continue advertising every year i guess.
Yeah I wondered the same. They said this year it should be introduced in some products, but I haven't heard of any...
@@gr-gx4zy their is only one product with this inside it "ZBOX pico PI430AJ with AirJet"
it's actually a cool device. The fans are not silent. and you can tell the cost of the heatsink is substantial because it's literally the worst price/performance in it's field.
it just costs to much to manufacture these. If I recall correctly it actually uses semiconducting technology to make these. like same tech that is used to make CPU's. So it's probably 10x the cost of a fan system.
I really do wish a company would adopt them. but it would probably cost an extra $200 to have these. Rather have a slightly thicker laptop, slightly nosier, more performance and more RAM or storage for that $200.
They also don't have money to improve it. it's literally had no upgrades for 2 years. It's probably not even able to improve much
Super. Three SnapDragon generations were (still are?) suffering by being throttled to avoid overheating. AirJet
What about crypto miners? They use a lot of computing power requiring a lot of cooling power.
This is amazing tech. Some people think about the time your device can run, but it is about calculations that you gain. In other words, you can get more done in the same amount of time.
He keep saying that it will come since 2 years ago but nothing happened
@@avriljil Oh didn't know that. I checked their developer offer, it costs 10K $ it is way too expensive
@@Turjak_art Yeah, you're better off scavenging some AirJet Minis off some Zotac PI430AJ mini PCs. Hopefully, the driver board is modular and not integrated into that mainboard.
Very good potential! this comes at just the right time where fan technologies are just abut being maxed out
So should a device be able to last longer with one of these?
It's been awhile but why noone is using it? I know it's good tech but why tho? I'm curious
It's not new. Has been around for a while. But what's fascinating is that ALL THESE design-devices are throttling in order to sacrifice for design. I had no idea
had no idea on why Intel/AMD/Apple haven't adopted this technology right now..
Intel and AMD wouldn't adopt it, the laptop manufacturers like ASUS, HP, Dell, or Lenovo would.
This technology is long overdue due. It should already exist.
If Framework Laptop have it?
This is genius. Love the idea❤
I'm currently using a thermoelectric cooler neck band to cool myself off this summer, but it uses noisy and ineffective mini fans to cool the TEC chips. AirJet Minis would be much more effective, not to mention being able to ditch the heatsink and lower the thickness of the device considerably. I'd normally buy a Developer Kit from them, but they're asking $10K. For that amount of money, I could just cannibalize a bunch of Zotac PI430AJ and still have a lot of cash left over for other hardware dev tools.
Put this on phone, tablets and other heat generating device/component ❤
The battle of money is what holding this back. The money has got to be real.
This is an amazing technology. When can pennies shift.
I’m interested How can I get that ?
THIS WAFER TIN COOLING DEVICE ALONE can speed up performance by fifty percent on laptops and phones. now that's what i call simplicity at its best.
But what effects does it have on the battery? they might be running lower watts due to smaller cap battery or to claim x-hours on time. That's aside from how much power draw the devices take alone. He makes it sound like all it does is 'increase performance' greatly... ok but at what costs?
What is this chip?
Some kind of peltier device? I mean a chip what besides being a SOC also has functionality?
Or does it only work with more simple type chips? Or is it just a additional chip? And does it stil work as a peltier device and is it positioned on top of the main chip's?
no it's not a peltier device. A peltier device cools one end and warms the other end but you still need to cool the hot side of the peltier device with a fan.
peltier devices also require a lot of power.
Airjets on the other hand blow air over a hot surface at extremely high speeds and then throw out that hot air.
basically the advantage of the air jet is that it saturates the air with heat before throwing it out.
USD$10,000 for a dev kit seems a bit odd to me. For something that looks like 20 airjet mini and the rest their proprietary testing tools, I would want to try on a much wider array than just their testing tools they set up as well as seeing at what point they fail on my own testing not the company that makes them.
man, the plastic transparent chassi is leaking, not covering the device and the retail unmodified device is put face down with the fan holes to the table
This thing around for a while now, why nobody is adopting this yet?
Brilliant!
60w interesting, so Asus was bullshitting saying it doesn't cool the Ally chip? I'm pretty sure it is a question of cost, or they don't bother, hahaha. One of two is lying. My guess is Asus.
Absolutely right. Asus is the liable on this matter.
i would love to see this in phones
My question is, Does this guy have access to all the technology to build this? I mean what happens if this idea gets to TSMC or Intel? Will it be smaller, more powerful? Or No. This is a mature end product?
It's patented ... so nobody cannot copy it for free.
Even if other companies do 'copy' they still have to reverse engineer, engineer it and then produce it. And mass manufacturers are usually held to those laws.
if it moves air fast enough it will never be silent, it may be quieter than other thin solutions though
Processor power consumption is decreasing.
Cooling is increasing.
💀 I ll buy the ultimate smartphone. (Whic is actually a pc)
Is there any new tweaks from the version of 2023 computex for this airjet or same tech ?
No
Who's going to be the first to implement this in a handheld gaming PC?
Please, for x86 devices too, actually ARM doesn't need that
I have the feeling that either the price is very high or there is some limit of this product, otherwise we'd have it on sell for anyone needing a cooler. Probably it is too weak for desktop computers and on small devices you cannot install it yourself.
Touch Taiwan 2024 maybe more interesting exhibition to make coverage
How do I invest in this company!!!! I'm sick of being broke!!!!
How does this compare to a fan in terms of efficiency?
They're not going to replace fans on anything beyond a low power notebook. The mini is 5W and their bigger model is 10W of heat dissipation.
@@arturaslekstutis7678 sure but I'd still like to know the efficiency of their product.
I'm curious because I've been following the innovations in blade/propeller design and their implications on noise and efficiency.
A propeller-less fan design is a novel way to move air with electricity - would be interesting to know how much air is moved for a given amount of energy, might extend the usefulness of this technology to other sectors - such as AC units or propulsion.
Would be interesting to put this on an RC plane 🤔
@@arturaslekstutis7678 - An important thing to look at, is how much power the fan consumes and how much power the AirJet consumes. This is often overlooked in comparisons.
Another thing I'd like to know, is if for instance an ARM CPU is normally not cooled, and if it's at the same speed will consume less power when it's cooled by the AirJet.
If so, then the AirJet might be able to reduce the power usage in other products (like TFT-displays, etc.).
This tech is fascinating but cant come closer to mechanical fan if we compare pricing.
Thats why no major player os going to incorporate this tech into their mass production stuff.
i am guessing piezo?
Air JET combined with ARM CPU ? Jesus Christ
Why this Apple and other PC industry are not adopting this cooling technology? Is it bcoz he is an Indian ! or lack of proper loby. Why is it taking so much time to adopt this superb technology?
Whats the power consumption vs a regular fan like?
Regular fans = 5W
1x Airjet Chip = 1W
Technically you can mount up to 5 of them using the same power supply...
if i remember correctly this was introduced 2 years before but still laptops are not adapting to this technology.
Hm, if you can integrate AirJet with a speaker, then you can just put it into the speaker space :D
10/10!!
I think the price will be the biggest deal breaker
Some people will pay a lot for 2x more performance 😆 or even for 30% more performance..
@@charbax Not if you can get that same performance using a cheaper fan. Alternatives make all the difference.
@@asandax6 but the point is you can't fit a regular fan in these thin devices like thin Arm Laptops, thin Tablets, thin phones, thin mini PCs, thin SSDs, thin cameras, etc none of these can fit any regular fan, but those can get up to 2x performance boost if Frore can work in them!!
Why would dust affect memory corruption?
My guess is that systems can get very deficient, and confused as cooling system doesn't perform as required, And I guess this is one of the main reasons why Intel+Microsoft machines become really slow after couple 3 years of use, I wonder how much people know that they really need to clean the dust out of their fans regularly to keep their laptops and desktops performing.. The dust just seems as one of the bloats that slow down Wintel machines over time. Frore might resuce that problem significantly, keeping devices performing for years and for a decade, hopefully there isn't anything else that might reduce the efficiency of these air jets too much within the years of use..
how they are dustproof when they need to suck air from outside?
it seems that you can put dust and water filter in front of their air intake holes, I forgot to ask how that impacts the amount of air that can be sucked in per unit of power, my guess is that it takes a little bit more effort to suck the air in through that dust/water filter.. but having dust / water proof can be worth it.
the main selling point of this system is that they have insanely high back pressure meaning you can have a very dense dust filter and it wouldn't affect performance, where as laptops can't really have fan filters because the slim fans as is are very low pressure and suffer massively when there's any blockage, so yes you still need to suck air from outside but there would be a dust filter that's on the exterior of the device and it should be as easy as wiping it with a napkin
I had no idea that the ipad was thermal throttling so badly
How many years has it been now that they've been showing this off, when will this be released to the public? With how long it's been I don't feel like it's legit.
I want it in my phone
Why not just use a Peltier diode?
The peltier heat pump would generate more heat on the other side that would sill need to be dissipated trough active cooling, it's inefficient, would consume more power than the processing chip it's trying to cool.
I think it is urgent for desktop devices to switch to this technology, but the manufacturing company has rules on this issue, I think we cannot see the market at all.
Since 2 years thins tech is here but nothing happened
This Indian dude reminds me of google and Microsoft CEOs. Like we used to joke about Indian people and IT but I guess joke is on us😅
keep seeing this tech but never any products using it.
thanks to tesla and thermodynamics
I believe if Steve was alive this company was already apple property.
Steam deck 2 and other handheld will use in future
Hold my bear, it will not
Few years of this and nothing happens. 🤷♂️
hi. i can make stuff up too
Apple will not buy that because it's last long XD
Well this device come with expensive price with point plus only silent and thin.
In manufacture and consumer thinking and wanted is low price and mediocore performance, that it
VapourWare
There is Tim cook.your new fans dont have chance.sorry
Apple would never adopt this tech coz it would be shooting themselves in the foot. why would anyone buy the pro if the air can achieve the same results. But Microsoft and google devices will definitely hit different with this technology. Can't wait to see it on Micro-PCs, tablets and notebooks.
With this device, they could literally just make the pro the same thickness as the air.
This is old news
it looks like he wants to seel you something
I ain't buying a new laptop until it has an AirJet instead of fans.
why this s seems fake
i think frore is full of shit, there goes another year and all they doing is going to show building hype. when they should actually be building these things so we can freakin buy them. so i call bullshit
Man you need to sell laptops otherwise your idea will die or even stolen
ok, so it's an ultrasonic toothbrush, acting like peltier based cooling. Got it.
Brain damage?
no lol. It doesn't work like that at all, it wouldn't have even a 10th the performance if it did. basically, it has a membrane, and it oscillates it in a sine wave form to move air at ultra high velocity/pressure, which overcomes the 'skin effect' on the metal, forcing the fast moving air into direct contact, thereby moving away a lot more heat, because it doesn't have to conduct through the skin of slow moving air. There are videos that actually explain how it works, it's not a mystery.
Yeah, Linus did a video about this a year ago but so far I haven't seen it in anything so there must be something they aren't telling us.
You have had this product for years now haven ;t you? Are any manufactures gong to actually put them in their laptops or what?.....All I'm seeing is a lot of talk and not much action.... Come back when you actually have your product in a laptop.
I do not need arm cpu i need powerfull cpu for gaming... rest is waist of time./
The interview is not intelligent at all. Lol
Yes, lol