The rational was based on the fact that both aircraft met and exceeded the requirements and Lockheed Martin had the better project management as stated by the former USAF chief engineer.
Northrop were behind schedule and overbudget on the B-2 program. Plus the USAF wanted ATF to be extremely agile (at the time everyone jumped on the TVC bandwagon, Northrop did not)
One of the engineers said they had so many improvements that were planned for the production version. The removal of the thrust reverser would’ve improved speed and stealth even more.
@@oneway1512 Avionics and additional radar absorbing material definitely would have been one of them. But apart from that, not likely much. It would have ended up the same way the f-22 is now, although the F-22 did quite drastically improve from its prototype to what it is today. Even the difference between the prototype and the first production f-22's is noticeably different.
@@Ripa-Moramee Hard disagree, YF-23 looks way better aesthetically. They even had plans on updating the frame to be even better. The pilot who flew both said they both manoeuvre the same without needing thrust vectoring. YF-23 tail fins were the same size as the F-22 wings. It was purely political that it lost. With the transition to BVR the whole thing about needing to point your plane in the direction of the enemy to fire was pointless, even more so after the cold war ended. YF-23 would have been the superior plane then and now as it is more stealthy.
@@Accuaro You can disagree all you want, it doesn't change the facts. Firstly, how does a oddly shaped dorito winged hotdog with a extended cockpit not apart of the main fuselage look even slightly as good as the F-22 we see now? It doesn't, and the fact you are incapable of acknowledging this shows your ignorance on the subject. If that wasn't evident enough already, your claim that they maneuvered the same certainly is as it is literally the primary reason it was selected over the YF-23, as the ATF was outlining a stealthy dog fighter to combat the maneuverable SU-27 and MIG equivalent that had been spotted by spy's, which worried the US military. So, as such they invented something better than what the USSR claimed they had, which, obviously was nowhere near as good as what they claimed so the US military as always, completely over compensated with the ATF program. If you actually had thorough research, you would know this. ruclips.net/video/_MUK241uZHM/видео.html
@@battleoid2411 The F-22 is certainly a very good looking fighter jet compared to the YF-23. The F-22's design is a derivative of the F-15, which is also a good looking fighter jet, but with an outdated design. 👍
The Yf23 is probably the most advanced fighter of it’s time along with the f22🛩️🇺🇸, but it’s a shame that never got a contract with the US military💔 and it was forgotten💔.
Notice how he said “same engines as the YF-22” The y stands for prototype, so if what we know as the YF-23 was chosen then what we know as the F-22 would only be called the YF-22 and the YF-23 would commonly be called the F-23. When you see an American military aircraft with the designation Y before other letters then it’s a prototype.
correction it lost in the rate fight, its stealthier abilities were actually thermal related not RCS which was imporved on the f-22. yes the yf22 and f22 are completely different aircraft. faster well kinda. northrop didnt put limiters on their jet engines which made them drink fuel like no tomorrow. Not only that the yf-23 was taking longer to produce, was eating the budget way more then the yf-22 at the time and the yf-23 didnt really meet the radar preformance at the time due to its smaller raydome.
@@JacobBitethe f-22 was selected because it was less advanced (less risky) and because it was more impressive to observers in maneuverability by doing tricks. The Yf-23 was superior at literally everything else.
@@thuydoan7496thats the worst argument ever. Its like saying a bear isnt stronger than humans because humans have guns. Dogfights are very unlikely because of missiles. Either the enemy will die before the dogfight or it will die to HOB missiles.
@@konstantin-vi4hy Are you kidding me ? Dog fighting is so important in air to air combat that it makes a huge difference between winning and losing in order to to gain air dominance.
And America still is. russia is run by the mafia, china is a dictatorship that makes their infrastructure out of toothpaste india's tallest mountain is probably made out of garbage australia is rampant with corruption and new zealand is basically having a civil war.
@@BEANBOYOBEANITHThe illegal immigrants flooding to the US and the jews in New York being insecure about their religious identity, Yup The USA is a perfect country.
@@BEANBOYOBEANITH A proper country with a Ponzi economic system where debts are so high that just interest payments on it exceeds military budget. And military budget itself is bloated with Mltry industrial complex charging exorbitant amounts for systems and companies like boieng has completely forgotten their engineering heritage. This won't go on for forever.
No, it isn't, it's the basis for Northrop's entry into the NGAD, and it was more advanced than the YF-22 in several aspects, but it's a 5th gen, even the engineers would tell you that.
We probably will look back on the Grey Ghost YF-23 with YF120 variable-cycle engines as a portent of future 6th generation fighters. Prioritizing low radar observables, high supercruise efficiency for the large Indo-Pacific region, and BVR lethality over maneuverability.
In my head-cannon, this and the F22 are both selected for serial production. The F35 is never born. The skies would be graced by elegant fighters never before seen, and supported long after their initial flights
Really Pathetic how they literally just reused the F-15 Strike Eagle’s Cockpit Module down to Every dial, instrument and aesthetic !? When Freaking Video games made their Own Version that are Actually More Creative and Imaginative but aren’t fully virtually realized ? WTF is that about
Calm down fussypants. This was a prototype air vehicle: it was about implementing mostly new technology and some existing parts into a new airframe as a proof of concept. The cockpit was perhaps one of the least critical aspects of the aircraft's design since it is dictated by ergonomics and novel avionics which did not matter in this phase of the program.
@@professionalprocrastinator8103 I know, and after learning that they just reused an existing module irl when I first saw and knew about it from a freaking Video Game which had a Totally unique looking module kinda messes with someone’s head, And the fact that - that certain video game series completely ditched that unique design in favor of the UNORIGINAL and BORING IRL cockpit And no one has Gone and modeled the made up one out of pure Curiosity and imagination
@@konstantin-vi4hy When you want to gain air dominance, you must rely on dog fighting abilities to gain the upper hand. Without thrust vectoring, your dog fighting abilities will be limited and restrained, it would then be very hard to defeat the adversary in achieving air superiority.
@@Oxide21 Thrust vectoring can help dodge a missile attack. That's a very important ability to have on a fighter jet. It can also help the fighter jet quickly loop around the enemy, so that they can get into the attacking position instead. When you are in a dog fight, you will need to have excellent maneuverability or you'll be at a disadvantage.
@@thuydoan7496 Second missile won't care. You also lose a lot of energy doing these, so you'll only be putting yourself at an disadvantage. Maneuverability isn't the most important thing anymore.
Daym, that YF-23 looking so fine, even after all these years.
Fr
Such a magnificent aircraft with insane potential. I still don't understand why this tech was not pursued. It defies ration.
The rational was based on the fact that both aircraft met and exceeded the requirements and Lockheed Martin had the better project management as stated by the former USAF chief engineer.
Northrop were behind schedule and overbudget on the B-2 program. Plus the USAF wanted ATF to be extremely agile (at the time everyone jumped on the TVC bandwagon, Northrop did not)
Bribery, a whole lot of bribery.
We are talking about Lockheed after all.
Cessna could have made a better plane than NG
@@vlogmaster9568 Who did they bribe?
One of the engineers said they had so many improvements that were planned for the production version. The removal of the thrust reverser would’ve improved speed and stealth even more.
A design ahead of its time. The best looking fighter design. Period! 👍👍
This is peak , maybe already a third time watching this. The plane , the clips , the music...
ty ty
I'm still sad it didn't win the contract
Don't be. It was the inferior aircraft for what the USAF wanted and needed. Plus, the current F-22 looks infinitely better.
@@Ripa-Moramee would be interesting to see how the 23 would have been upgraded over the years
@@oneway1512 Avionics and additional radar absorbing material definitely would have been one of them. But apart from that, not likely much. It would have ended up the same way the f-22 is now, although the F-22 did quite drastically improve from its prototype to what it is today. Even the difference between the prototype and the first production f-22's is noticeably different.
@@Ripa-Moramee Hard disagree, YF-23 looks way better aesthetically. They even had plans on updating the frame to be even better. The pilot who flew both said they both manoeuvre the same without needing thrust vectoring. YF-23 tail fins were the same size as the F-22 wings. It was purely political that it lost. With the transition to BVR the whole thing about needing to point your plane in the direction of the enemy to fire was pointless, even more so after the cold war ended. YF-23 would have been the superior plane then and now as it is more stealthy.
@@Accuaro You can disagree all you want, it doesn't change the facts. Firstly, how does a oddly shaped dorito winged hotdog with a extended cockpit not apart of the main fuselage look even slightly as good as the F-22 we see now? It doesn't, and the fact you are incapable of acknowledging this shows your ignorance on the subject. If that wasn't evident enough already, your claim that they maneuvered the same certainly is as it is literally the primary reason it was selected over the YF-23, as the ATF was outlining a stealthy dog fighter to combat the maneuverable SU-27 and MIG equivalent that had been spotted by spy's, which worried the US military. So, as such they invented something better than what the USSR claimed they had, which, obviously was nowhere near as good as what they claimed so the US military as always, completely over compensated with the ATF program. If you actually had thorough research, you would know this. ruclips.net/video/_MUK241uZHM/видео.html
Never will understand the F22 fanboy saying she's ugly.
Not a fanboy of F-22, but this fighter jet is ugly.
@@thuydoan7496 You blind
@@thuydoan7496 What do you consider a good looking fighter then?
@@battleoid2411 The F-22 is certainly a very good looking fighter jet compared to the YF-23. The F-22's design is a derivative of the F-15, which is also a good looking fighter jet, but with an outdated design. 👍
@@thuydoan7496How is it derivative from another manufacturer's aircraft? I don't think Boeing would allow that.
This plane might have been 5th gen, but that design is 6th gen 😍
I actually worked on that planes network capability
good persec!!!
This plus the f22's thrust vectoring would be bad asssssss
+ all the modern upgrades the f22 has got
They had already developed/designed the upgrade for it to 2D. It was the better platform and was not chosen and IDK why.
@@wilsonrawlin8547 it was not as maneuverable as the f22..
@@wilsonrawlin8547it was very expensive just to make one functioning model, too.
Yf 23 my beloved
I love the YF-23 so much!
One of the sexiest aircraft my eyes has ever laid on
YF 23 is beautiful❤
It’s an amazing aircraft.
Brutal yet elegant
The Yf23 is probably the most advanced fighter of it’s time along with the f22🛩️🇺🇸, but it’s a shame that never got a contract with the US military💔 and it was forgotten💔.
Nice video the yf 23 perhaps its more capable aircraft than the yf 22 i heard the velocity of that beast was really fast
Notice how he said “same engines as the YF-22”
The y stands for prototype, so if what we know as the YF-23 was chosen then what we know as the F-22 would only be called the YF-22 and the YF-23 would commonly be called the F-23.
When you see an American military aircraft with the designation Y before other letters then it’s a prototype.
Thanks for stating the obvious
@@oneway1512 u mad?
@@goober1107 yes very mad
Props on this one
"Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce you to the Black Widow II..."
I remember a post in an online newspaper about the YF-23, it was titled "Diamonds are not forever."...
my beloved
The US made and retired those before HD cameras even existed. Meanwhile Russia can't even make their Su-57 and it's not even a match...
Yeah, economic collapse in 1990s does that to a country.
Thats one fine looking death dispenser
sci-fi is real, and we almost had it
then it would just be science. with that logic though, you know what is sci-fi? the F35s 😎😎
Remember what they took from you
I love that plane
Did you make it look like it was filmed in the 80s? It’s pretty gnarly. This a good edit.
hahah its because it was filmed in the 80s/90s i believe, didnt add any vfx other than some colour correction. thanks though!
The YF 23 is a superior aircraft
correction it lost in the rate fight, its stealthier abilities were actually thermal related not RCS which was imporved on the f-22. yes the yf22 and f22 are completely different aircraft.
faster well kinda. northrop didnt put limiters on their jet engines which made them drink fuel like no tomorrow. Not only that the yf-23 was taking longer to produce, was eating the budget way more then the yf-22 at the time and the yf-23 didnt really meet the radar preformance at the time due to its smaller raydome.
superior to the F-22, and therefore the best fighter ever made, including the f-35
That's exactly why it was selected and entered service instead of the F-22 I'm sure.
@@JacobBitethe f-22 was selected because it was less advanced (less risky) and because it was more impressive to observers in maneuverability by doing tricks. The Yf-23 was superior at literally everything else.
An aircraft designed 33 years ago still kicking butt in modern times. BTW the Northrop/McDonnell Douglas YF-23 was the better aircraft.
makes you wonder if they made this 33 years ago what do they have now
USA so advanced it literally made better aircraft better than an su 57, raptor and a j20. Combined.
No it's not. YF-23 lacked thrust vectoring capabilities, and thus had poor maneuverability during a dog fight.
@@thuydoan7496thats the worst argument ever. Its like saying a bear isnt stronger than humans because humans have guns.
Dogfights are very unlikely because of missiles. Either the enemy will die before the dogfight or it will die to HOB missiles.
@@konstantin-vi4hy Are you kidding me ? Dog fighting is so important in air to air combat that it makes a huge difference between winning and losing in order to to gain air dominance.
I was team YF23, but I was also a young child
This that is music 🎉
based
We used to be a proper country
And America still is.
russia is run by the mafia,
china is a dictatorship that makes their infrastructure out of toothpaste
india's tallest mountain is probably made out of garbage
australia is rampant with corruption
and new zealand is basically having a civil war.
@@BEANBOYOBEANITHThe illegal immigrants flooding to the US and the jews in New York being insecure about their religious identity, Yup The USA is a perfect country.
@@BEANBOYOBEANITH
A proper country with a Ponzi economic system where debts are so high that just interest payments on it exceeds military budget.
And military budget itself is bloated with Mltry industrial complex charging exorbitant amounts for systems and companies like boieng has completely forgotten their engineering heritage.
This won't go on for forever.
@@ij4674 thatsy just corruption dude, and boeings are being grounded and all, and are paying the price.
@@BEANBOYOBEANITH and North Korea is a dystopian fever dream of a country
Feel like pure shit just want her back x
Lynx Helios Alien
What is the name of the song?
varo - imagine
northrop grumman on top.
funny coincidence, just watched ur free bird video the other day lol
Lynx Helios Alien Mom.
I don't really like the YF-23 but damn this is pretty good..
YN-53*
👌🏻
the YF-23 is even stealthier than the F-22 but it doesn't have the thrust vectoring capabilities like the raptor
dont need TVC if you can kill the enemy from 200mi away
What he said and the designers had that designed as an option.
this is a 6th generation fighter
No it's not.
No, it isn't, it's the basis for Northrop's entry into the NGAD, and it was more advanced than the YF-22 in several aspects, but it's a 5th gen, even the engineers would tell you that.
We probably will look back on the Grey Ghost YF-23 with YF120 variable-cycle engines as a portent of future 6th generation fighters. Prioritizing low radar observables, high supercruise efficiency for the large Indo-Pacific region, and BVR lethality over maneuverability.
ICEMAN from Staat USA / Texas 1991 Jahr
In my head-cannon, this and the F22 are both selected for serial production. The F35 is never born. The skies would be graced by elegant fighters never before seen, and supported long after their initial flights
Your welcome America
What is the song
VARO - IMAGINE the original vocals are by a rapper called ksuave
Phase out the F35 and bring back the F23.
this idea is a great fairytale but f-35 production is a modern miracle of engineering, and the widespread adoption means returns will be guaranteed.
Like Merica - Just hot air
Huh?
👣
I really want to like the aesthetics but lyrics kinda interrupt the mood tho 😭
Choosing the F22 was really essential for Western credibility
“In reality”
-shows simulator footage.
(Don’t hate, just thought it was funny :p)
this is real footage from the 90s
@@oneway1512weird, this comment was supposed to be on a different video. Whoops.
@@Dram1984 THEN DELETE IT!?
Bro, i saw the same exact fucking video, it was about an F14 doing the throttle in Top Gun right?
@@MrDaftJustice yeah, what the heck RUclips.
Really Pathetic how they literally just reused the F-15 Strike Eagle’s Cockpit Module down to Every dial, instrument and aesthetic !?
When Freaking Video games made their Own Version that are Actually More Creative and Imaginative but aren’t fully virtually realized ?
WTF is that about
Calm down fussypants. This was a prototype air vehicle: it was about implementing mostly new technology and some existing parts into a new airframe as a proof of concept. The cockpit was perhaps one of the least critical aspects of the aircraft's design since it is dictated by ergonomics and novel avionics which did not matter in this phase of the program.
Because it was a prototype.
@@professionalprocrastinator8103 I know, and after learning that they just reused an existing module irl when I first saw and knew about it from a freaking Video Game which had a Totally unique looking module kinda messes with someone’s head, And the fact that - that certain video game series completely ditched that unique design in favor of the UNORIGINAL and BORING IRL cockpit
And no one has Gone and modeled the made up one out of pure Curiosity and imagination
What an ugly fighter jet. It had no thrust vectoring capabilities which made the Airforce choose the F-22 instead.
Tell me. Where can you use thrust vectoring in BVR and general missions?
@@konstantin-vi4hy When you want to gain air dominance, you must rely on dog fighting abilities to gain the upper hand. Without thrust vectoring, your dog fighting abilities will be limited and restrained, it would then be very hard to defeat the adversary in achieving air superiority.
@@thuydoan7496Missiles won't care about your cool turns
@@Oxide21 Thrust vectoring can help dodge a missile attack. That's a very important ability to have on a fighter jet. It can also help the fighter jet quickly loop around the enemy, so that they can get into the attacking position instead. When you are in a dog fight, you will need to have excellent maneuverability or you'll be at a disadvantage.
@@thuydoan7496 Second missile won't care. You also lose a lot of energy doing these, so you'll only be putting yourself at an disadvantage. Maneuverability isn't the most important thing anymore.
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why ruin the video with trash music
why ruin my comments section with trash comments
fr bro i like this music go complain to your mom
@@oneway1512Low IQ comment to a low IQ track, lol who is that Lil Auto tune? 😂
@@Happyboi9512My mom can rap better then this
@@gunblasterr ur mom must be Eminem then
Great video! Music sucks though.
ok boomer
i agree
@@prodvaro🤣🤣
@@oneway1512 as someone who isnt a boomer yes the music sucks fucking ass