Nice but hopefully you bought it from Porsche and have extended warranty with Porsche because you will have faults. Also hopefully you got the spec you wanted as the extras will help lessen the depreciation which will happen. The car was cheaper because they aren't selling. I nearly bought one but I think more depreciation is to come. I had an EV for 2 years but luckily got out in time.
I do love the Model 3, have driven a few for work, but I’ve always liked the idea of the Audi. It’s stunning to look at inside and out, just has a classiness about it. The fast charging is brilliant too………
I sold my e tron gt rs for the model 3 performance highland. Here in Australia there Tesla network is king. I’m loving the model 3 performance as my daily commute to my office and around town. I don’t think anything is better and I have a lot of cars in my warehouse to choose from
@@Thisonegoestoeleven666 Im not one to care about Elon. I like what I like. I bought my F8 Tributo even though I dislike the CEO of Ferrari and his policies for the brand. Both the F8 Tributo and the 2024 Model 3 Performance are great machines despite who sits at the top of those manufacturers.
Personal choice? Happy with the Tesla. It does what an electric car should do very well. It can also go very quickly very quickly!! Its practical, comfy and not bad looking. Tesla for me.
I was in this exact scenario. I've had the 2019 Model 3 Performance for 5 years and have driven an Audi before that and wanted to upgrade. After test driving and comparing a used E-Tron GT against the new 2024 M3P, I've decided for a new Tesla. The E-Tron GT looks absolutely amazing, but unfortunately, that really ended up being the only real pro vs a bunch of cons. The main cons for me were: didn't really like the Audi infotainment and navigation is very inferior to the convenience I'm used to from Tesla, in particular charging stops. No one-pedal driving, acceleration doesn't feel as instant, car overall less snappy in the city. Practicability of the car is quite bad, there's 0 convenient storage in the cabin, no idea where to put my stuff. My usual driving position has my arm resting on the center console, but the layout of the Audi makes that a bit uncomfortable (cup holders where the elbow is). The cabin felt quite loud (for an electric car) and ride comfort wasn't really what I had hoped it would be in the Audi (Highland feels better to me). My primary use is city driving, so the added length and width of the car didn't help either. Overall, other than the looks and maybe prestige(?), there wasn't really anything in favor of the Audi for me.
@@mals83 Agree, but to be honest I don’t think there is much prestige in an Audi or BMW any longer. Tesla has surpassed them with better cars. I don’t even like the looks of these cars any more, especially on the inside. They all look to be from the previous millennium.
@@fr3238similar with me, a friends used taycan felt exactly as described above, noticed easily 500kg extra weight, it only has more like a tank feeling.
@@fr3238buddy I assure u that if a bmw M4 pulls up next to u at a car show all eyed will be on that bmw. A tesla turns absolutely no heads. .Dude the drivers pov in a tesla makes it feel like ur in a 5k company car. No cool gauge cluster screen, no heads up display, plastic buttons on the wheel. Not even a drivers placed scroll wheel so u can sit back and drive while operating the screen easily.. instead u have to constantly reach forward and touch the screen. Plus the glass roof with no monochromatic glass to darken it on a sunny day is so annoying. Teslas interior and their looks are by far their worst aspect but that's how they can get their prices so low.
@@PEACEOUTXX1 Exactly. That Tesla goes just as unnoticed as similarly priced BMWs and Audi's. Obviously a kitted out M4 grabs more attention as it has the boy-racer appearance. Same with the Audi RS models. Those just look awesome and are not common, mainly due to the very, very high price point. In Holland, an M4 can easily cost you north of up to ~180-200k Euro, that's 200k+ USD for a brand new M4 with some kit on it. So very few will be seen on the road as the price is just way too high.
@@PEACEOUTXX1 I don't really care which car turns heads. If the M4 turns heads it's probably the noise it makes. I almost never operate the screen while driving as that is hardly necessary. The M3P is so smooth and responsive everywhere, from the throttle response to display. When it comes to looks that is a very personal thing. I think both look great exterior wise, but the interior of any BMW just seem so cluttered and old fashioned I can't live with it. But whatever, people should get and drive the car they desire.
I just creased up laughing when you were going on about nowhere to put your phone in the Audi and then finished by casually dropping your phone into the cupholder using the centre cutout to perfectly place it. I used to wonder why cupholders were like that until I realised that I could put my phone in there. I rarely if ever use cupholders as cupholders.
Another great video from you. Thank you. We drive a fully loaded Etron Gt Vorsprung (but not the RS). It’s a fabulous car and the only time we question our choice is when we’re tempted by your clear arguments in favour of all things Tesla (especially the supercharging). Sadly what stops me from buying Tesla is that in my opinion, Elon Musk has rendered Tesla a toxic brand. So we’ll stick with our Audi
For me: definitely the Tesla. After 15 years of VAG products, i bought a Tesla and what a difference. No maintenance, low costs, perfect charge infrastructure, nice service (not the arrogant Audi garages, Tesla is just fantastic. No more VAG shit for me.
They're chalk and cheese Richard, even taking into account the Audi's depreciation it is still twice the price, with 35k on the clock. Both are attractive, but I would opt for the Model 3 purely because of the Tesla charging infrastructure.
😮as a ex bmw service mechanic, I’m now retired, I’ve owned a Tesla mod 3 for 3 years , I’ve done 60,000 mile with no problems! The Tesla is amazing, don’t just take my word for it 😊😊😊
I have 8 roundabouts between my house and the M8 on my run to Glasgow. I could not deal with the lack of indicator stalks. Model 3 was designed in a country with almost no roundabouts.
If I absolutely had to change my Zoe to one of these 😉, it would be the Audi. Love these used vs new comparisons. With ICE cars they tend to get great used cars against run of the mill new. Issue is the running costs of the used can potentially be astronomical. Appears to be less of an issue with EV’s. Hence the Audi. And it looks amazing. 👍
The Tesla. Audi still has software problems and you have to take it to a dealer to update. My friend said for the last software update the dealer had the car for 3 days. Tesla have evs sorted, and the others still have a long way to go to catch up
I love Tesla, and have one, but my dream cars are the eTron GT and Merc GT, that was once electrified, the green one Jezza featured on TG years ago. But today, eTron GT, top spec in graphite is my dream car.
@@spikebmth You do get used to where the buttons are exiting too, but stalks are still better. Luckily there are aftermarket stalks for the Model 3 for those who need it 😀
@@fr3238 I did drive a stalkless LHD Model X for around 20min, which when the steering wheel was straight, the buttons where fine, it was, like I said, when indicating exiting a roundabout, when needed to look to see where the buttons are. As Richard says, seems ok 90% of the time. I have heard that at some point Teslas will self indicate, when following the nav route.
Same here mate. Bought a year ago with 6k miles. Depreciation is the killer so I did PCP so I can hand it back at the end so I don’t take the hit. Will be a bargain for the 3rd owner as well.
@@Pigsrfreeyou would be surprised how well this worked and how cheap it was! The finance company gave a very high RV, currently £15k above where the market is now so my payments are nowhere near as much as the depreciation. So when they get it back in a year it will likely be £30k less than the end payment. I’m not an idiot when it comes to numbers. PCP can be a very effective way of protecting the downside of buying an EV. Leasing is also much better, and you can often extend a lease beyond the term depending on the deal and provider.
What about the battery health analysis for the GT? On the M3 that's very easy to do. (And certainly helpful when buying secondhand) What about basic autopilot? I use that 95% of the time in my M3. The Tesla is still more of a mobile phone on wheels (with continuous UI and feature upgrades), while the GT seems to be a vehicle with an electric drivetrain. Its tiny infotainment screen and software already appears to be outdated.
It blows me away the non Tesla EVs you can get over there at Tesla prices. Here in Australia the cheapest second hand etron GT (not RS mind you) is $112k, vs $87k for a new M3P).
Richard you sold me on the E-Tron when you had that. I bought a 3 year old Launch Edition with all the extras. Delighted with it especially the fast charging on longer journeys. Again I would go for the Audi, but not as practical as the E-Tron which was the reason for buying it The RS is a lovely car, but even at its depreciated value still a bit too rich for me.
Did this two months ago, had two model 3 long ranges was considering the new performance but bought a two year old 12k miles GT Vorsprung from an Audi dealer so two year warranty and servicing included for £9k less than the Tesla (both great cars but absolutely smitten with the GT) both a great choice no right or wrong.
The Audi is so tempting...but I depend on FSD too much to give up my '24 M3P. I use FSD just about everyday and I've gotten use to switching in and out of while driving. If FSD is driving to pedestrian for my mood, I drive. If rush hour is causing my road rage to trigger, I switch to FSD. I love the self-parking on my Tesla. I love the UI and huge senter display. No doubt, the Audi would be driving a status symbol and float like a flying rug which would normally make me all in for it, but Apple Carplay isn't enough to fix the Audi UI and no way will get a newish car without a comparable feature to FSD.
Dude are u not with the times or what? audi and bmw have driving assistance pro package which works exactly like FSd for highway and city. U clearly haven't done ur research
@@Lost_In_LA weird considering tesla got last place in "edmumds car reviews self driving bmw vs tesla vs Cadillac" tesla required ur hand on the steering wheel the most. Also got last place in auto Parking. "Rysmons auto park bmw vs tesla vs audi" so much for best tech huh? Thing is tesla advertises it more then other brands becuase it's a big selling point for their bland cars. Other brands have more to offer then boring self driving. But most of all new cars can do it in most scenarios.
@@PEACEOUTXX1 When I watch the Edmunds reviews, they seem to be using a Tesla from several years ago. 🤷♂ I test drove the Model 3/Y and the BMW i4 a year ago and felt the Tesla were lacking refinement compared to the then current Merc. I really enjoyed the i4 but I was skeptical about their adaptive cruise control implementation and the charging network. Luckily, Tesla up'ed the refinement in the Model 3 and jumped on the refresh this year. I drive regularly with FSD 12.5.2. It's hands free and drives terrific. I experienced 12.4.x for about a week and the tugging the wheel every minute missed the spirit of being autonomous. FSD still drives a little too slow at times so if I may be tempted to take the wheel to be more aggressive. Auto park is also terrific. So much so, I pick it any opportunity I can since I was never good and backing in and doing so is safer on my front bumper. Now that I'm taking the safety for granted, I'd like to see parking become faster and more assertive. Early version was too slow. The current speed is fine but I'm still self-conscious about it if someone is waiting to get pass me. I never feel bored with car however. Styling is sleek enough and the infotainment never gets old. The car has a real OS running all the electronics and there are smart features to be had throughout. I worried about regret there are so many other Teslas on the road in Southern California and that hasn't come to pass-like an iPhone user worrying there are too many people with iPhones.
Here in the US, a new Audi E-Tron GT is about triple the price of a Model 3 P but I guess if I could find a used Audi E-Tron for the same price as a new M3P in great condition, the Audi is the better car.
Do you have a tiltable screen there- guess a retofit. Swapping out my MYLR March 22 for same in Quik Silver MYLR on Geminis tomorrow. Amazing lease deals. Hope better ride
Awesome comparison and what we found when we purchased a used model S from you guys a few years ago rather than a new model 3. What I really want to see is a comparison of a used Taycan Turbo S vs that e-Tron as I imagine they both cost around £60K at 3 years old. I believe Porsche charge an arm and a leg for subscription for the car’s features plus the servicing after 3 years, so I love to see those costs compared please :)
I think most people will choose tesla, because that's what they can relate to the most. They can't relate to an expensive audi, only very few can. Tesla on the other hand is much cheaper and more attainable for many people. Here in Texas I see them everywhere, even the new M3P. But only see very few etron gts and those things are beautiful to look at.
Yup, and it’s also the type of owner of the Audi that unfortunately tarnishes the brand. I’ve seen these parked across multiple spaces at the mall, towing caravans holding everyone up, and pulled over by the cops
Hi Mark Excellent video and nice to see a longer one again. I also love the new colour on the Y, it looks great on the app with white interior but I saw one in the bright sun recently with that combo and actually I thought it looked a bit insipid? I think it would have to be the black interior and take it to have the wood changed for anthracite at somewhere like RSEV Southampton Currently on Rightmove looking at houses in Brixam! 😂
Re. the swivel attachment for the screen, do you also offer an attachment that allows it to extend out? I'm quite tall and sit straight legged, I currently need to lean forward to reach the far side of the screen which is not ideal. If it is something you offer, I'd like to purchase.
I just bought a used 2021 Plaid with 21k miles for $56k but was seriously considering the 2024 M3P . After driving the Plaid once, there’s just no comparison. It’s incredibly fast and feels so much faster than the 2024 M3P well because it is 😂
Probably the Tesla still. I'm just not sure i trust other manufacturers yet. Tesla has been in this a long time and there will be less problems. I expect you still have to take the Audi in for service and if you get a problem, the technicians might not know what to do.
Richard loves ultra-premium cars, praises everything that is luxury-expensive extra equipment, but he absolutely does not want to pay for it. The Audi GT RS for under 60k - thats a lot of car. It is good that Richard shows different choises in the marketplace. Here you can´t finc a 2 year (´22) old GT RS under 80k. And, a new one, speced, is much more than double the price of a new M3P. Can you really compare these two?
@@NisseOhlsen I am in the right mind and I would NOT. The exterior is good, but the Taycan 4S EV also goes for the same price. Who in their right mind would pick this Audi B-brand thing over a prestigious Porsche, for the SAME money? I would pick the Porsche.
Without doubt the M3 Highland, having taken delivery of one 2 weeks ago now as my first EV. It’s super efficient, fun, and just easy to live with without thinking too much about charging etc. Then there’s the Tesla supercharger network with preferentially low rates for owners… for life. And sentry mode, Tesla theatre, dog mode, phone key (eliminating the threat of keyless theft) etc - features more cars need to have because they’re brilliant. Just my first impressions but yeah, you’ll find it hard to sell me a legacy EV that doesn’t have this stuff and can only do 2.5mi/KWh because it weighs too much because it’s battery is unnecessarily big 🤷♂️
Hope you didn't buy it as it will depreciate quickly. Personally the Audi and especially the Porsche are so much nicer to drive and build quality plus interior a lot better than Tesla. Tesla interior feels cheap and very plastic but technology is good.
ETron GT owner here, and i also own a Tesla Model S...(Model 3 is just in a much lower class compared to these two premium EV GTs which i would never consider to be honest)... And my experience with these two cars can be summed up easily --- Model S helps ease my daily commute with FSD, while ETron GT is my go-to vehicle for spirited weekend drive
In Europe Tesla uses CCS as well and you could charge your Audi at Tesla networks, though you would probably not want to because the Tesla superchargers are not as fast since they have not been updated in many years. It’s a bit cheaper though than most competitors, just like the cars.
@@waynerussell6401agree, I own a tesla and with no fixed servicing it’s very cheap to own. I wonder what annual serving is in the Audi?? I’m also hoping that the tesla will prove more reliable as it far simpler. Less to go wrong?
Very interesting review! I opted for the Audi as I preferred the fact it’s a really good car and then an EV (my first and a 71 plate too). Tesla’s strengths are economy and charger network but I think I’m covered on the network side. I have a subscription to ABRP and it reads the car’s SOC via Enode and the app shows the availability of chargers etc - a bit of a win 👍🏼
Just another feature in the USA. I have the MP3 Performance and use FSD to commute and even drive around town when I feel like using. It’s way better than I ever thought it could be. Selling my Porsche GTS Macan to get a used S.
Hi, how much does servicing cost on the e tron? I know with tesla there is no cost. 1 guy said his taycan cost over 700 pounds and the dealer could not explain why...
try some really hard braking from higher speeds in line with what a 400bhp car can do and you will find out one of its major shortcomings, perhaps partly down to the weight, the model Y brakes are not a patch on Audi/BMW in very hard applications and are verging on dangerous
Im guessing it's a no contest when it comes to quality materials, fit and finish. I have a 3 SRP and it's fun to drive but the steering is lacking in feel.
I am dumping my M3 LR Highland for the Etron GT. 1) Tesla Navigation is crap compared to Waze or Google Maps. Maps are outdated compared to Waze or Google Maps. The voice activation cannot match SIRI. Audi has airplay period. 2) Tesla could not charge as fast with 11KWH at home vs the 22 KWH for the Audi. 3) At HIgh speed Cornering Speed above 140KPH, the Tesla feels very twitchy. I have to really focus. A lapse of concentration and it will steer off track. 4) Tesla Model 3 Highland is becoming VERY VERY common. You don't have the sense of occasion driving it. No one can really differentiate the M3P vs the base RWD model. Even a fresh graduate can afford a Tesla. Only the Taycan is arguably better looking compared to the Audi Etron GT.
Seems to me the answer is pre-highland model 3 performance... Here in Australia plenty for sale at around AUD40K (2020 model year) or less than half the price of a Highland... Put some better suspension and seem to have best of both worlds...
Having come from a number of German cars and after switching to a Tesla Model 3 LR AWD for the last four years, I am now ready to go back to the luxury of a German car again. So, your question is a good one and is similar to the question, should I buy a used Tesla Model S or a new Model 3 at the same price?
I was facing this question four months ago. Originally, I was leaning on a used Model S as I love to get a good deal. I was and still have a crush on Model S, having always loved the look of the vehicle. Non-refreshed Model Sss scared me off with their poor reliability ratings and use of outdated screen orientation. But the used refreshed Model Ss in my area were just missing my strike price I wanted, so ultimately, I went with a new M3P. After three months of M3P ownership, I love the car. I test drove a Model 3 last year and was unimpressed, but Tesla added just enough refinement. And the software pendulum has started to swing in favor of Hardware 4 cars (late 23 and newer) getting priority on updates which makes me glad I didn't go with the used Model S + Hardware 3.
Get a car thats engaging and looks good. Not a basic traffic tesla ! Trust me. U will enjoy driving alot more. I couldn't wait to get out of my rental tesla into a bmw m4
Tesla hater? You don't need parking sensors when there's hd cameras all around the car. Mentioning the windscreen wipers? Unable to press a single button?! Tesla actually has indicators, too, lol.
I fell in love with the Etron when you and Matt Watson did that video that you mention in this clip. That vid made me realise that EVs were now a viable option. However, despite the drop in value, both cars are still out of my price range. I have a KIA EV 6 on a salary sacrifice scheme that costs me £684 per month all in. A similar scheme for the Tesla performance without fancy autopilot cost £247 more per month than the EV 6. If I where to buy the Etron on an interest-free loan, then the cost of the loan would be around £1,250 per month, no maintenance, no insurance, no tax etc. They are still just too expensive by far . EV 6 for me, I don't need a missile and I have 800 volt charging like the Etron.
My heart tells me the Audi for the build quality & head tells me to get a Tesla for the longevity with the software, etc. They are both great cars & Tesla highlander looks stunning!
Wow, that a very, very difficult choice to make. I could write loads but I'll cut to the chase. I'd hate to be dependent on Muggle charging. Obviously where you live and where you drive has a big affect on the chargers available to you. And for me, where I live and the ling distance routes that I travel it would ultimately have to be the Tesla. I totally get it, where you live and travel that might not be an issue for you but it is for me.
I would take the Audi - it’s a better car in all ways expect public charging, which I hardly ever use. And many of those are open for non-Tesla use anyway.
@@davidmchugh4348 : behind - in what way🤔 Tesla fans have always said this, yet it’s often Tesla that’s behind. Matrix lights took ages to arrive, the parking and wiper sensors don’t work properly. Most EV’s have had mobile apps - for 4+ years already
@@SDK2006bI just found out BMW still only allows you to set the A/C on or off via the app. Tesla has had the option to set a specific temp since ages. Legacy is still legacy for a reason. Also no remote start, and a mate's i4 wouldn't even connect to the network in an above ground parking. Tesla worked flawlessly in thesame spot.
It doesn’t matter how comfortable and luxurious the other car is, it’ll never beat a Tesla imo. The tech outshines everyone other vehicle… Sentry Mode, Dog Mode, Valet Mode, Boombox, built-in 360° Dash Cash, Pin To Drive, Pin Glovebox, Cabin Camera, pre-heat or pre-cool the car using the app and so much more!
Most of these things are useless gimmicks that nobody cares about. Also what makes you think other brands do not have apps? i got bmw app and i can do every thing you listed, but i hardly use it ever. Another gimmick.
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Ive played the depreciation game and just bought a 23 reg Taycan Cross Turismo for £60kish...the first owner paid £125K! man maths-good value!
Nice but hopefully you bought it from Porsche and have extended warranty with Porsche because you will have faults. Also hopefully you got the spec you wanted as the extras will help lessen the depreciation which will happen. The car was cheaper because they aren't selling. I nearly bought one but I think more depreciation is to come. I had an EV for 2 years but luckily got out in time.
The 1st owner likely paid a monthly cost, much less than what you think.
I think you got it right. I think they're gonna go to 30s 40s relatively soon@@RBcymru
@@SDK2006bit'll be chunky regardless. Someone has lost that value
Check the recall for brake lines has been actioned and you should be good to go - very fast!!
I do love the Model 3, have driven a few for work, but I’ve always liked the idea of the Audi. It’s stunning to look at inside and out, just has a classiness about it. The fast charging is brilliant too………
I sold my e tron gt rs for the model 3 performance highland. Here in Australia there Tesla network is king. I’m loving the model 3 performance as my daily commute to my office and around town. I don’t think anything is better and I have a lot of cars in my warehouse to choose from
No other brands can charge on Tesla there?
@@Cloxxki unfortunately no. I’d always have to find a charge fox and it was annoying.
But then you have to look at the Tesla and be embarrassed by Elon being one of the biggest W⚓️ on earth.
@@Thisonegoestoeleven666 Im not one to care about Elon. I like what I like. I bought my F8 Tributo even though I dislike the CEO of Ferrari and his policies for the brand. Both the F8 Tributo and the 2024 Model 3 Performance are great machines despite who sits at the top of those manufacturers.
@@marcusaurelius1310who was the lad who started vw
Personal choice? Happy with the Tesla. It does what an electric car should do very well. It can also go very quickly very quickly!! Its practical, comfy and not bad looking. Tesla for me.
I was in this exact scenario. I've had the 2019 Model 3 Performance for 5 years and have driven an Audi before that and wanted to upgrade. After test driving and comparing a used E-Tron GT against the new 2024 M3P, I've decided for a new Tesla. The E-Tron GT looks absolutely amazing, but unfortunately, that really ended up being the only real pro vs a bunch of cons. The main cons for me were: didn't really like the Audi infotainment and navigation is very inferior to the convenience I'm used to from Tesla, in particular charging stops. No one-pedal driving, acceleration doesn't feel as instant, car overall less snappy in the city. Practicability of the car is quite bad, there's 0 convenient storage in the cabin, no idea where to put my stuff. My usual driving position has my arm resting on the center console, but the layout of the Audi makes that a bit uncomfortable (cup holders where the elbow is). The cabin felt quite loud (for an electric car) and ride comfort wasn't really what I had hoped it would be in the Audi (Highland feels better to me). My primary use is city driving, so the added length and width of the car didn't help either. Overall, other than the looks and maybe prestige(?), there wasn't really anything in favor of the Audi for me.
@@mals83 Agree, but to be honest I don’t think there is much prestige in an Audi or BMW any longer. Tesla has surpassed them with better cars. I don’t even like the looks of these cars any more, especially on the inside. They all look to be from the previous millennium.
@@fr3238similar with me, a friends used taycan felt exactly as described above, noticed easily 500kg extra weight, it only has more like a tank feeling.
@@fr3238buddy I assure u that if a bmw M4 pulls up next to u at a car show all eyed will be on that bmw. A tesla turns absolutely no heads. .Dude the drivers pov in a tesla makes it feel like ur in a 5k company car. No cool gauge cluster screen, no heads up display, plastic buttons on the wheel. Not even a drivers placed scroll wheel so u can sit back and drive while operating the screen easily.. instead u have to constantly reach forward and touch the screen. Plus the glass roof with no monochromatic glass to darken it on a sunny day is so annoying. Teslas interior and their looks are by far their worst aspect but that's how they can get their prices so low.
@@PEACEOUTXX1 Exactly. That Tesla goes just as unnoticed as similarly priced BMWs and Audi's. Obviously a kitted out M4 grabs more attention as it has the boy-racer appearance. Same with the Audi RS models. Those just look awesome and are not common, mainly due to the very, very high price point. In Holland, an M4 can easily cost you north of up to ~180-200k Euro, that's 200k+ USD for a brand new M4 with some kit on it. So very few will be seen on the road as the price is just way too high.
@@PEACEOUTXX1 I don't really care which car turns heads. If the M4 turns heads it's probably the noise it makes. I almost never operate the screen while driving as that is hardly necessary. The M3P is so smooth and responsive everywhere, from the throttle response to display. When it comes to looks that is a very personal thing. I think both look great exterior wise, but the interior of any BMW just seem so cluttered and old fashioned I can't live with it. But whatever, people should get and drive the car they desire.
Model 3 for sure
Looks like a melted turd.
E-tron GT! Very nice car. Also Audi is a much more experienced car maker. And it did a very good 1000km challenge at Bjorn
That's the new one no?
@@TsLeng no he didn't do 1000km challenge with this new drivetrain one yet. I meant the video from some years ago
Of the two, which one has most experience in electric drivetrain?
Experienced more than Tesla making electric cars? 😂
I just creased up laughing when you were going on about nowhere to put your phone in the Audi and then finished by casually dropping your phone into the cupholder using the centre cutout to perfectly place it. I used to wonder why cupholders were like that until I realised that I could put my phone in there.
I rarely if ever use cupholders as cupholders.
Audi GT all day long, looks immense ❤
Depreciated as well
Anything with the RS badge is a winner!
The Audi ofcourse
Another great video from you. Thank you. We drive a fully loaded Etron Gt Vorsprung (but not the RS). It’s a fabulous car and the only time we question our choice is when we’re tempted by your clear arguments in favour of all things Tesla (especially the supercharging). Sadly what stops me from buying Tesla is that in my opinion, Elon Musk has rendered Tesla a toxic brand. So we’ll stick with our Audi
On the other hand VAG always have been toxic
Undoubtedly the Audi, better in so many ways. From charging speed all the way to the fact that it actually has levers for blinkers, etc.
What is the insurance for each - this would determine which is the better value in the long run in terms of costs. 🤔🤔
For me: definitely the Tesla. After 15 years of VAG products, i bought a Tesla and what a difference. No maintenance, low costs, perfect charge infrastructure, nice service (not the arrogant Audi garages, Tesla is just fantastic. No more VAG shit for me.
Agreed, had a bad experience with a fairly new Golf (dry-clutch DSG problems) and they lost me as a customer :) Tesla has earned my loyalty
They're chalk and cheese Richard, even taking into account the Audi's depreciation it is still twice the price, with 35k on the clock. Both are attractive, but I would opt for the Model 3 purely because of the Tesla charging infrastructure.
They are both £60k - re-watch the video the e-Tron is a 2021 whilst the Tesla is brand new.
I chose a Taycan 4S. Great car.
😮as a ex bmw service mechanic, I’m now retired, I’ve owned a Tesla mod 3 for 3 years , I’ve done 60,000 mile with no problems! The Tesla is amazing, don’t just take my word for it 😊😊😊
I was looking at a model 3 long distance and BMW 330E. Any thoughts / advice?
@@jmc129 yes... Buy a Tesla!
@@jmc129No comparison. Tesla is in a different league and miles better than the BMW.
You must've looked at the latest BMW kidney grill and thought......
"Man, that Tesla looks gorgeous!"?
@@computerbob06 Ha! It’s around a 2020 model I’m not looking at new
I have 8 roundabouts between my house and the M8 on my run to Glasgow. I could not deal with the lack of indicator stalks. Model 3 was designed in a country with almost no roundabouts.
Its easy to indicate on roundabouts apart from when your exiting a mini roundabout which most people don't do anyway given the short duration.
I was about to ask if that was East Kilbride...but then you would have said 16 roundabouts 😅
If I absolutely had to change my Zoe to one of these 😉, it would be the Audi. Love these used vs new comparisons. With ICE cars they tend to get great used cars against run of the mill new. Issue is the running costs of the used can potentially be astronomical. Appears to be less of an issue with EV’s. Hence the Audi. And it looks amazing. 👍
The Tesla. Audi still has software problems and you have to take it to a dealer to update. My friend said for the last software update the dealer had the car for 3 days. Tesla have evs sorted, and the others still have a long way to go to catch up
I love Tesla, and have one, but my dream cars are the eTron GT and Merc GT, that was once electrified, the green one Jezza featured on TG years ago. But today, eTron GT, top spec in graphite is my dream car.
The one with indicator stalks
Yeah those 5min to get used to buttons are not worth it.
@@minso8164 5 min for some ........ never for others. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
perhaps you don't indicate when leaving a roundabout?
@@spikebmth You do get used to where the buttons are exiting too, but stalks are still better. Luckily there are aftermarket stalks for the Model 3 for those who need it 😀
@@fr3238 I did drive a stalkless LHD Model X for around 20min, which when the steering wheel was straight, the buttons where fine, it was, like I said, when indicating exiting a roundabout, when needed to look to see where the buttons are.
As Richard says, seems ok 90% of the time.
I have heard that at some point Teslas will self indicate, when following the nav route.
Same here mate. Bought a year ago with 6k miles. Depreciation is the killer so I did PCP so I can hand it back at the end so I don’t take the hit. Will be a bargain for the 3rd owner as well.
By doing PCP YOU are paying the depreciation, not the finance company 😂😂
@@Pigsrfreeyou would be surprised how well this worked and how cheap it was! The finance company gave a very high RV, currently £15k above where the market is now so my payments are nowhere near as much as the depreciation. So when they get it back in a year it will likely be £30k less than the end payment.
I’m not an idiot when it comes to numbers. PCP can be a very effective way of protecting the downside of buying an EV. Leasing is also much better, and you can often extend a lease beyond the term depending on the deal and provider.
Porsche Taycan Turbo S 😂 £63k 10k miles, but 4 years old… hope it’s reliable 😮
What about the battery health analysis for the GT? On the M3 that's very easy to do. (And certainly helpful when buying secondhand)
What about basic autopilot? I use that 95% of the time in my M3.
The Tesla is still more of a mobile phone on wheels (with continuous UI and feature upgrades), while the GT seems to be a vehicle with an electric drivetrain. Its tiny infotainment screen and software already appears to be outdated.
It blows me away the non Tesla EVs you can get over there at Tesla prices. Here in Australia the cheapest second hand etron GT (not RS mind you) is $112k, vs $87k for a new M3P).
Due to stupid tax break.
Richard you sold me on the E-Tron when you had that. I bought a 3 year old Launch Edition with all the extras. Delighted with it especially the fast charging on longer journeys. Again I would go for the Audi, but not as practical as the E-Tron which was the reason for buying it The RS is a lovely car, but even at its depreciated value still a bit too rich for me.
Did this two months ago, had two model 3 long ranges was considering the new performance but bought a two year old 12k miles GT Vorsprung from an Audi dealer so two year warranty and servicing included for £9k less than the Tesla (both great cars but absolutely smitten with the GT) both a great choice no right or wrong.
The Audi is so tempting...but I depend on FSD too much to give up my '24 M3P. I use FSD just about everyday and I've gotten use to switching in and out of while driving. If FSD is driving to pedestrian for my mood, I drive. If rush hour is causing my road rage to trigger, I switch to FSD. I love the self-parking on my Tesla. I love the UI and huge senter display. No doubt, the Audi would be driving a status symbol and float like a flying rug which would normally make me all in for it, but Apple Carplay isn't enough to fix the Audi UI and no way will get a newish car without a comparable feature to FSD.
Dude are u not with the times or what? audi and bmw have driving assistance pro package which works exactly like FSd for highway and city. U clearly haven't done ur research
@@PEACEOUTXX1 I watched reviews on each. Tesla FSD was the least restrictive and handled more scenarios.
@@Lost_In_LA weird considering tesla got last place in "edmumds car reviews self driving bmw vs tesla vs Cadillac" tesla required ur hand on the steering wheel the most.
Also got last place in auto Parking. "Rysmons auto park bmw vs tesla vs audi" so much for best tech huh? Thing is tesla advertises it more then other brands becuase it's a big selling point for their bland cars. Other brands have more to offer then boring self driving. But most of all new cars can do it in most scenarios.
@@PEACEOUTXX1 When I watch the Edmunds reviews, they seem to be using a Tesla from several years ago. 🤷♂
I test drove the Model 3/Y and the BMW i4 a year ago and felt the Tesla were lacking refinement compared to the then current Merc. I really enjoyed the i4 but I was skeptical about their adaptive cruise control implementation and the charging network. Luckily, Tesla up'ed the refinement in the Model 3 and jumped on the refresh this year.
I drive regularly with FSD 12.5.2. It's hands free and drives terrific. I experienced 12.4.x for about a week and the tugging the wheel every minute missed the spirit of being autonomous. FSD still drives a little too slow at times so if I may be tempted to take the wheel to be more aggressive.
Auto park is also terrific. So much so, I pick it any opportunity I can since I was never good and backing in and doing so is safer on my front bumper. Now that I'm taking the safety for granted, I'd like to see parking become faster and more assertive. Early version was too slow. The current speed is fine but I'm still self-conscious about it if someone is waiting to get pass me.
I never feel bored with car however. Styling is sleek enough and the infotainment never gets old. The car has a real OS running all the electronics and there are smart features to be had throughout. I worried about regret there are so many other Teslas on the road in Southern California and that hasn't come to pass-like an iPhone user worrying there are too many people with iPhones.
Loves Tesla's but I'd get a used Taycan for the same money for sure
Audi for me as it has indicator stalks and everything. Very fancy.
Dog mode is a game changer. Could not live without it now!!
Here in the US, a new Audi E-Tron GT is about triple the price of a Model 3 P but I guess if I could find a used Audi E-Tron for the same price as a new M3P in great condition, the Audi is the better car.
RS you are back, baby ! 3 for me
Audi❤
i love all your videos keep up the great work
Do you have a tiltable screen there- guess a retofit. Swapping out my MYLR March 22 for same in Quik Silver MYLR on Geminis tomorrow. Amazing lease deals. Hope better ride
This guy deserve 1 million followers for EV cars review
Awesome comparison and what we found when we purchased a used model S from you guys a few years ago rather than a new model 3. What I really want to see is a comparison of a used Taycan Turbo S vs that e-Tron as I imagine they both cost around £60K at 3 years old. I believe Porsche charge an arm and a leg for subscription for the car’s features plus the servicing after 3 years, so I love to see those costs compared please :)
I think most people will choose tesla, because that's what they can relate to the most. They can't relate to an expensive audi, only very few can. Tesla on the other hand is much cheaper and more attainable for many people. Here in Texas I see them everywhere, even the new M3P. But only see very few etron gts and those things are beautiful to look at.
Yup, and it’s also the type of owner of the Audi that unfortunately tarnishes the brand. I’ve seen these parked across multiple spaces at the mall, towing caravans holding everyone up, and pulled over by the cops
Hi Mark
Excellent video and nice to see a longer one again.
I also love the new colour on the Y, it looks great on the app with white interior but I saw one in the bright sun recently with that combo and actually I thought it looked a bit insipid?
I think it would have to be the black interior and take it to have the wood changed for anthracite at somewhere like RSEV Southampton
Currently on Rightmove looking at houses in Brixam!
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Re. the swivel attachment for the screen, do you also offer an attachment that allows it to extend out? I'm quite tall and sit straight legged, I currently need to lean forward to reach the far side of the screen which is not ideal. If it is something you offer, I'd like to purchase.
Been trying to sell my MYP for market value six months later still in my possession….
Great video Richard, a couple of add-ons maybe, how much does insurance cost on each car and 3 years on from here, what are the respective values?
I just bought a used 2021 Plaid with 21k miles for $56k but was seriously considering the 2024 M3P . After driving the Plaid once, there’s just no comparison. It’s incredibly fast and feels so much faster than the 2024 M3P well because it is 😂
Audi e-tron GT one of my dream ev’s , so it’s a no brainier for me.
Probably the Tesla still. I'm just not sure i trust other manufacturers yet. Tesla has been in this a long time and there will be less problems. I expect you still have to take the Audi in for service and if you get a problem, the technicians might not know what to do.
I have the same issue in the Model 3, always gives me cold knees. I've found moving the vent to just down from the very top has stopped this
Just after 5 minutes in you already notice Richard likes the Audi way more😁
who in their right mind wouldn't?
Richard loves ultra-premium cars, praises everything that is luxury-expensive extra equipment, but he absolutely does not want to pay for it.
The Audi GT RS for under 60k - thats a lot of car. It is good that Richard shows different choises in the marketplace.
Here you can´t finc a 2 year (´22) old GT RS under 80k. And, a new one, speced, is much more than double the price of a new M3P. Can you really compare these two?
@@NisseOhlsen I am in the right mind and I would NOT. The exterior is good, but the Taycan 4S EV also goes for the same price. Who in their right mind would pick this Audi B-brand thing over a prestigious Porsche, for the SAME money? I would pick the Porsche.
@@Samosayummyyay oh, I missed noticing the Porsche in the video, apparently..
Not sure I'd want the Audi, unless I changed the plate.....
Without doubt the M3 Highland, having taken delivery of one 2 weeks ago now as my first EV. It’s super efficient, fun, and just easy to live with without thinking too much about charging etc. Then there’s the Tesla supercharger network with preferentially low rates for owners… for life. And sentry mode, Tesla theatre, dog mode, phone key (eliminating the threat of keyless theft) etc - features more cars need to have because they’re brilliant. Just my first impressions but yeah, you’ll find it hard to sell me a legacy EV that doesn’t have this stuff and can only do 2.5mi/KWh because it weighs too much because it’s battery is unnecessarily big 🤷♂️
@@mra9085 congrats 👍
Ok so just because you got one for yourself it means it's better? Tesla is one of the biggest EV trash in terms of quality.
Hope you didn't buy it as it will depreciate quickly. Personally the Audi and especially the Porsche are so much nicer to drive and build quality plus interior a lot better than Tesla. Tesla interior feels cheap and very plastic but technology is good.
@@RBcymru Even though it currently has better technology, I will not purchase anything from tesla...
@@MaDDeX93Clearly an uneducated statement.
ETron GT owner here, and i also own a Tesla Model S...(Model 3 is just in a much lower class compared to these two premium EV GTs which i would never consider to be honest)... And my experience with these two cars can be summed up easily --- Model S helps ease my daily commute with FSD, while ETron GT is my go-to vehicle for spirited weekend drive
Well, since the Audi uses the finely honed and maintained electrify america...the choice is clear.
In Europe Tesla uses CCS as well and you could charge your Audi at Tesla networks, though you would probably not want to because the Tesla superchargers are not as fast since they have not been updated in many years. It’s a bit cheaper though than most competitors, just like the cars.
Model 3 for me
It would be interesting to talk about servicing costs as well. Also which is more reliable?
Tesla is the cheapest to own - Consumer Reports.
@@waynerussell6401agree, I own a tesla and with no fixed servicing it’s very cheap to own. I wonder what annual serving is in the Audi?? I’m also hoping that the tesla will prove more reliable as it far simpler. Less to go wrong?
Brilliant video!
Very informative and well delivered
Where is the center arm rest in the E-Tron GT? Seems not so ergonomic as the Model 3.
Very interesting review! I opted for the Audi as I preferred the fact it’s a really good car and then an EV (my first and a 71 plate too). Tesla’s strengths are economy and charger network but I think I’m covered on the network side. I have a subscription to ABRP and it reads the car’s SOC via Enode and the app shows the availability of chargers etc - a bit of a win 👍🏼
Model 3 P. All the car you'll ever need 👍
Until you want more :) And thats when i got my GT.
Just another feature in the USA. I have the MP3 Performance and use FSD to commute and even drive around town when I feel like using. It’s way better than I ever thought it could be. Selling my Porsche GTS Macan to get a used S.
Hi, how much does servicing cost on the e tron? I know with tesla there is no cost. 1 guy said his taycan cost over 700 pounds and the dealer could not explain why...
Model 3 Perfomance
Model Y LR all the car you need fast and practical plus the new ones are comfy loving it in new colour Quicksilver grey is wicked looking!
try some really hard braking from higher speeds in line with what a 400bhp car can do and you will find out one of its major shortcomings, perhaps partly down to the weight, the model Y brakes are not a patch on Audi/BMW in very hard applications and are verging on dangerous
lucky for you to have these deals, where i live, the gt rs is 4x$ when new and 3x$ when used .. cant enjoy the savings here
I have the same issue with cold air on knees..
Im guessing it's a no contest when it comes to quality materials, fit and finish. I have a 3 SRP and it's fun to drive but the steering is lacking in feel.
Price on the Audi has me curious. I guess it would also have to include running costs.
I like watching your reviews! Your honesty and unbiased opinions make them so comforting compared to other car magazines!!
I'll take the Audi please, maybe they're both 3 x times what I'd want to pay 😄
Always liked the Audi's styling!
E-Tron any day!!
Have you get used to smartephones ?
Model 3P, and it's not even a difficult decision
I am dumping my M3 LR Highland for the Etron GT. 1) Tesla Navigation is crap compared to Waze or Google Maps. Maps are outdated compared to Waze or Google Maps. The voice activation cannot match SIRI. Audi has airplay period. 2) Tesla could not charge as fast with 11KWH at home vs the 22 KWH for the Audi. 3) At HIgh speed Cornering Speed above 140KPH, the Tesla feels very twitchy. I have to really focus. A lapse of concentration and it will steer off track. 4) Tesla Model 3 Highland is becoming VERY VERY common. You don't have the sense of occasion driving it. No one can really differentiate the M3P vs the base RWD model. Even a fresh graduate can afford a Tesla. Only the Taycan is arguably better looking compared to the Audi Etron GT.
@@JonD2024a right... you don't have a M3P nor a E-Tron GT.
Love Tesla, not an Audi fan. But without a question I would take the e-Tron GT.
Until the depreciation for new EV's stabilise it doesn't really make sense to buy any new EV unless it's a good lease deal.
Seems to me the answer is pre-highland model 3 performance... Here in Australia plenty for sale at around AUD40K (2020 model year) or less than half the price of a Highland... Put some better suspension and seem to have best of both worlds...
Model 3 Performance all the way
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Yea if ur broke.
@@G82Watts They cost about the same
If you like 10 minutes or less of maximum performance.
@@mikapeltokorpi7671 I don’t track my car, but it’s perfect for the road.
Having come from a number of German cars and after switching to a Tesla Model 3 LR AWD for the last four years, I am now ready to go back to the luxury of a German car again. So, your question is a good one and is similar to the question, should I buy a used Tesla Model S or a new Model 3 at the same price?
I was facing this question four months ago. Originally, I was leaning on a used Model S as I love to get a good deal. I was and still have a crush on Model S, having always loved the look of the vehicle. Non-refreshed Model Sss scared me off with their poor reliability ratings and use of outdated screen orientation. But the used refreshed Model Ss in my area were just missing my strike price I wanted, so ultimately, I went with a new M3P.
After three months of M3P ownership, I love the car. I test drove a Model 3 last year and was unimpressed, but Tesla added just enough refinement. And the software pendulum has started to swing in favor of Hardware 4 cars (late 23 and newer) getting priority on updates which makes me glad I didn't go with the used Model S + Hardware 3.
Get a car thats engaging and looks good. Not a basic traffic tesla ! Trust me. U will enjoy driving alot more. I couldn't wait to get out of my rental tesla into a bmw m4
I would pick the one with parking sensors, working auto windscreen wipers, indicators, etc.
Well being an audi, I'm sure half the things won't work by the end of this year 😂
Tesla hater? You don't need parking sensors when there's hd cameras all around the car. Mentioning the windscreen wipers? Unable to press a single button?! Tesla actually has indicators, too, lol.
I fell in love with the Etron when you and Matt Watson did that video that you mention in this clip. That vid made me realise that EVs were now a viable option. However, despite the drop in value, both cars are still out of my price range. I have a KIA EV 6 on a salary sacrifice scheme that costs me £684 per month all in. A similar scheme for the Tesla performance without fancy autopilot cost £247 more per month than the EV 6. If I where to buy the Etron on an interest-free loan, then the cost of the loan would be around £1,250 per month, no maintenance, no insurance, no tax etc. They are still just too expensive by far . EV 6 for me, I don't need a missile and I have 800 volt charging like the Etron.
As a Tesla M3 owner I'd rather go with the Audi in this case. The ride comfort, the interior and the look ... all way better in the E-Tron.
Give me that Audi any day!!
My heart tells me the Audi for the build quality & head tells me to get a Tesla for the longevity with the software, etc. They are both great cars & Tesla highlander looks stunning!
why is the screen tilted in the Model 3?
Swivel screen for model 3 obscures the view of phone on charger. Not great if you want to use Waze.
License plate is MLF?
Wow, that a very, very difficult choice to make.
I could write loads but I'll cut to the chase. I'd hate to be dependent on Muggle charging. Obviously where you live and where you drive has a big affect on the chargers available to you. And for me, where I live and the ling distance routes that I travel it would ultimately have to be the Tesla.
I totally get it, where you live and travel that might not be an issue for you but it is for me.
Use the open Tesla superchargers?
I would take the Audi - it’s a better car in all ways expect public charging, which I hardly ever use. And many of those are open for non-Tesla use anyway.
only 10 years behind in tech 😂😂
When people first picked up their E-Trons they were getting a message after 5k miles that said it was time for an oil change... lol
@@davidmchugh4348 : behind - in what way🤔
Tesla fans have always said this, yet it’s often Tesla that’s behind. Matrix lights took ages to arrive, the parking and wiper sensors don’t work properly.
Most EV’s have had mobile apps - for 4+ years already
@@SDK2006bI just found out BMW still only allows you to set the A/C on or off via the app. Tesla has had the option to set a specific temp since ages. Legacy is still legacy for a reason. Also no remote start, and a mate's i4 wouldn't even connect to the network in an above ground parking. Tesla worked flawlessly in thesame spot.
Audi has legacy car maker problem with small central console screen and not so intuitive software.
What is the servicing cost of the Audi?
I know this is a super pro Tesla channel but what a silly question in my opinion!! The Audi without any doubt
The one that has the more wow factor.
It doesn’t matter how comfortable and luxurious the other car is, it’ll never beat a Tesla imo. The tech outshines everyone other vehicle… Sentry Mode, Dog Mode, Valet Mode, Boombox, built-in 360° Dash Cash, Pin To Drive, Pin Glovebox, Cabin Camera, pre-heat or pre-cool the car using the app and so much more!
Most of these things are useless gimmicks that nobody cares about. Also what makes you think other brands do not have apps? i got bmw app and i can do every thing you listed, but i hardly use it ever. Another gimmick.
Software gimmicks are not “tech”.
@@utlord Lie to yourself all you want. Makes no matter to me.
@@jonathangurney8628 Did I touch a nerve? 😂
How much is the insurance on this type of car ?
While do miss Tesla’s OTAs, which keeps their vehicles fairly fresh, I choose the Audi all day long.
It’s an easy choice, the Audi is by far the better car and looks lovely and I prefer the interior of the Audi due to actual stalks and buttons.
Hyundai Ionic 5 N review please..
I’ll take the Audio all day every day mate
I have an Audi e-tron because I can take a small trailer with it but I wish you could put a tow hitch on the Audi e-tron GT😂
Both great cars tbf