There is a factory rake because of payload requirements. If you fit 4 grown adults or a small trailer it will squat the rear end. Even with the automatic level adjustment of the air ride, it still needs to be higher in the rear than the front otherwise the vehicle will become unstable at certain speeds. Not only is your wheel alignment based on this but also your axles. I don't think it's dangerous to do this mod and it absolutely looks better but the mod doesn't take into account all the engineering thoughts. Ideally if they needed a rake in the suspension, I think they could have designed the fender openings to be a little lower. In the SRT models, the fender flares do cover more so at minimum SRT thought about it a little.
The more weight I put in mine the more the bags pump up and keep it level the more tongue weight I add again the more pit pumps up I never swat eve. With being leveled I don’t have any issues just to let ya know
This is the first time I have read every. single. comment. on a youtube video. Excellent work! Hope to try this mod next spring but will probably order the ready made parts.
this brother's ocd is serious. i have a wk2 and i totally get it, i dont like the gap either but i wouldnt go thru all of this. maybe if i was more handy. well done man i wish i was as handy to do this. GOOD VID
A cheaper route for the all thread is going to Home Depot and buying machine screws M5-.8 x 80mm. That gives you 3.13” of thread and you only need 2.91”. They are $2 for a pack of two. They are also stainless steel.
I'm impressed you took this on. But you didn't actually show removing or reinstalling these tubes (these are tubes, right?), or which tools were used. It is encouraging that you didn't have to remove the wheels. And, btw, for headlight adjustment, which direction do you turn it to raise it up and how much difference does a half turn make?
Tony Great video, I am junior Romero from Dominican Republic. I have a jeep Grand Cherokee over land 2011, and it has the following problem : sometimes it goes up alone, and does not go down by the down button, and although the vehicle goes at a speed higher than 100 km / h it does not give the down signal. Now the vehicle has remained in the lowest position, and does not rise, Now the vehicle has stayed in the lowest position, and it does not go up, if I press the up button says; nor does it do anything, but if I press the down button, it tells me that it is in the lowest position. in previous times they have changed the shock absorbers, the compressor, and the valve set, and today again I have the same problem with the suspension. Where can I get the electric, and / or electronic manual of this vehicle?
Hi Junior! I'm glad you liked it. Do you own a Haynes manual for your Jeep? It contains some wiring diagrams. The root cause failure analysis is very disappointing; trial and error is always an expensive way to get your vehicle fixed. Did a Jeep dealer perform the work thus far?
Tony, great video and explanation. It appears you kept the OEM 20" wheels and simply replaced the standard tire with a more aggressive A/T type tire. If that's correct, can you share with us what size tire those are and if you encountered any rubbing particularly on the front tires against the inner wheel well liners or suspension components. I've been wanting to do just what you've done but up until now was not aware of how easy it is to do. Thank you.
You're welcome Richard! I'm glad you liked it. The "Trail Rated" Overland JGCs, at least in 2015, come with the 18" wheel in this video. Yes sir. In fact, I made a video on the aftermarket tires; the link is below. I only experienced very slight rubbing on one wheel well with the Nittos when I added 1.5 inch Spider Trax spacers to the mix. If you aren't running any kind of spacer, the larger tires should not rub. ruclips.net/video/JgNlRRjQn_0/видео.html
has anyone had any success with adding the spacers to the struts with these links? like they do for the ram's with quadra lift? Makes it a much more smooth ride i hear.
4.53 inches in the video. A few weeks ago, I lengthened the rods by another 0.030 inch. Now, therefore, the length is 4.56 inches. Glad you benefited from the video. You're welcome!
@@TonyHepp Thanks. I see what you mean by some GC being different lengths. My factory lent was 4.42 inch. I cut my rod to 4.12 and gained 1/2" lift giving my JGC an almost perfect level look in standard drive mode. My rod was straight unlike yours. I was able to cut, reduce, and weld it back together. Saved me on cost. :)
Any issues with tire wear, wheel alignment, etc? Was reading a few posts from the forum and this issue was brought up a couple times. Curious if you had the wheels re-aligned after installing the different air links. Thanks
Hey tony. Great video. I love watched it a few times and the first time I understood everything. Then I confused myself and am now wondering how a shorter rod raises the vehicle and a longer rod lowers it? Can you explain? Thank you!
You're welcome! I'm glad you liked the video. Ride height and front rod length are inversely proportional. The Jeep engineers simply designed the ride height sensor, rod, and other suspension components in this manner. They could have done it differently.
I am preparing to do this same fix but question is - will it not affect or damage air bags when ride on off-road 2 option, air bags will be stretch in that option probably above maximum working capacity ????
Hey Tony very informative video. I'm a Chrysler Tech and thinking of leveling/lifting my 2014 Grand Cherokee Summit. I know when I currently put it in Offroad I/II the ride gets much stiffer. I assume that once you made your adjustment to the ride height link you have a stiffer ride as well? Thinking of adding the Rough Country Ride Height Leveling Kit.
Glad you liked it. The ride feel is identical, save driving over a particular railroad crossing in the closet city to my place. The front suspension over it is noticeably jarring. It reminds me of setting the height at maximum. I've not heard of the Rough Country kit. Will check it out now. 😉
Hi Tony, well done really nice and informative video. I was wondering if you've had any problems with the QL after this mod? If I understood you currently, the Jeep is now in Off-road 1 mode all the time? Please correct me if I'm wrong here. Did you tuned the rear end as well? Thanks, Sagi.
Tony Great video. My desire is to LOWER my 2011 GC Overland. I want to set the standard ride height at the lower setting but not have the traction control turned off, which happens if you dial in the lowered SPORT setting. So if I fabricate some of my own adjustable links am I correct that, I need to lengthen the front links to lower the front and shorten the rear links to lower the rear. If this is correct do you lave any idea what , say 2mm in length does to the actual ride height, IE. 2mm longer link in front lowers Ride.Hht. 1/2 in? And finally, do you measure the ride height on level ground across centerline of wheel to underside of wheel well OR do you measure from center of wheel to underside of wheel well just curious? I'm sorry for so many questions but like you I'm a little OCD myself!
I'm happy you liked it! No. You need to lengthen both links. Two millimeters (~0.080 in) should change the body height at least 0.38 inch. You will have to "dial in" the required length by trial and error. On level ground, I measured the front and rear heights from the top of the tire to the underside of the wheel well/body trim. Since this is what I and others see when looking at the vehicle, their being equal was my goal. Feel free to ask more questions. Answers usually bring peace to us OCD folk. :)
Chris Cunningham Thanks man! Yes, the height is at the normal or level one position. Yes, it still lowers normally when you select the entry/exit position.
Hey what’s up man! So i have a Jeep Grand Cherokee high altitude 2018 with the air suspension and i looked on the adjustablelink website and i only found for the 2017 and below!
Tony Hepp just finished the install on my 12, turned out great all 4 corners are within 1/8" which for me is acceptable. One thing I noticed on mine is that the actual wheel Well in the front is larger than the rear, it comes up higher. So I measured from the ground to the only constant line which is the line between the bottom of the door and the plastic panel on the rocker. Measure front and measure rear both sides. I set mine to the 4.50" measure to start and it was perfect.
Great video!!! If you answer some questions. I also have grand Cherokee and I’m trying to do the same thing to mine. What is the height of your wheel fender flare after the adjustment and what airbag position? In what air bag position were you adjusting the links on, was it on the entry/exit or Level 1? Thanks for doing this video!
Thanks! 33.25 inches when the vehicle height mode is entry/exit. This will certainly vary from vehicle to vehicle. I measured a half dozen new JGCs at a dealership one day. The heights varied even on the same vehicle from driver's side to passenger's side by as much as 3/8 inch.
My 2012 overland is displaying a message that the air suspension is cooling down and than the height won't change knowing that sometimes everything goes well and desired height is set, any idea what to do?
Questions both raised modes were not affected? And question two how short could you possibly go on the rod to lift it higher without over airing the bags?
k2sb20033 Thanks! They produce an abrupt noise when the tires suddenly fall, for example, at railroad crossings and the trailing side of some speed bumps.
You can go to Home Depot and get machine screws. M5 - .8 X 80mm that length is 3.1” worth of thread so plenty for this project. They cost $2 and are stainless steel.
what happends when you take it to the dealer and have the module replaced and you have to do a relearn on the height sensors? if the technicians do not know you did this they may not be able to set the ride height properly again and it will/may not be able to set the hight properly. this could cause a lot of frustration.
Great video! I'm here in Oklahoma as well as have a WK2 Overland Summit with QL also. How is yours holding up overnight? Are you losing air when it sits hours? I am in the front only, but it raises back up just fine when started. I have the links, both the leveling ones and also some raising ones, or maybe its the other way around (leveling = raising, lowering = lower than stock). Where are you located, NE, Central, SW, etc? I'm NE.
Thanks for the compliment. When I back my JGC out of the garage in the morning, it will rarely power the air compressor for no more than 1.5 seconds. My family and I live in NE OK too! Rogers County, northeast of Claremore. :)
Hi Man, I have a 2017 WK2 Trailhawk Hemi "QL of course", and I really want to correct the rake / leveling, do you recommend any good quality ready-made rods ? do I need to do anything else beside shorter rods ? Thanks a lot :)
Hi Marc. There is a wire retainer that wraps around the ball socket to keep the male-threaded part in place. Remove that wire retainer. Then grab the socket with a pair of pliers or vise. Then grip the male-threaded part and rotate it out of the socket. It should pop right out.
There is a factory rake because of payload requirements. If you fit 4 grown adults or a small trailer it will squat the rear end. Even with the automatic level adjustment of the air ride, it still needs to be higher in the rear than the front otherwise the vehicle will become unstable at certain speeds. Not only is your wheel alignment based on this but also your axles. I don't think it's dangerous to do this mod and it absolutely looks better but the mod doesn't take into account all the engineering thoughts. Ideally if they needed a rake in the suspension, I think they could have designed the fender openings to be a little lower. In the SRT models, the fender flares do cover more so at minimum SRT thought about it a little.
The more weight I put in mine the more the bags pump up and keep it level the more tongue weight I add again the more pit pumps up I never swat eve. With being leveled I don’t have any issues just to let ya know
This is the first time I have read every. single. comment. on a youtube video. Excellent work! Hope to try this mod next spring but will probably order the ready made parts.
Hi Shaun. I'm very happy you found it helpful!
this brother's ocd is serious. i have a wk2 and i totally get it, i dont like the gap either but i wouldnt go thru all of this. maybe if i was more handy. well done man i wish i was as handy to do this. GOOD VID
Ha!! You sound like my wife, and you're both right. 😄. Glad you like the video. Take care.
Which way do I turn headlight screw to lower the beam of headlight..... I'm blinding everyone on the road 😅......
A cheaper route for the all thread is going to Home Depot and buying machine screws M5-.8 x 80mm. That gives you 3.13” of thread and you only need 2.91”. They are $2 for a pack of two. They are also stainless steel.
and then what? you just cut off the head of the screw so it's just a rod?
I'm impressed you took this on. But you didn't actually show removing or reinstalling these tubes (these are tubes, right?), or which tools were used. It is encouraging that you didn't have to remove the wheels.
And, btw, for headlight adjustment, which direction do you turn it to raise it up and how much difference does a half turn make?
Hola. Muy bueno el video. Podrías indicar en qué medida dejaste los brazos finalmente por favor. Muchas gracias
Tony Great video, I am junior Romero from Dominican Republic. I have a jeep Grand Cherokee over land 2011, and it has the following problem : sometimes it goes up alone, and does not go down by the down button, and although the vehicle goes at a speed higher than 100 km / h it does not give the down signal.
Now the vehicle has remained in the lowest position, and does not rise, Now the vehicle has stayed in the lowest position, and it does not go up, if I press the up button says; nor does it do anything, but if I press the down button, it tells me that it is in the lowest position. in previous times they have changed the shock absorbers, the compressor, and the valve set, and today again I have the same problem with the suspension. Where can I get the electric, and / or electronic manual of this vehicle?
Hi Junior! I'm glad you liked it. Do you own a Haynes manual for your Jeep? It contains some wiring diagrams. The root cause failure analysis is very disappointing; trial and error is always an expensive way to get your vehicle fixed. Did a Jeep dealer perform the work thus far?
Anyone that wants to just buy it made already for cheap. Message Shane Brief on Facebook.
What is the size of those levelers?
Tony, great video and explanation. It appears you kept the OEM 20" wheels and simply replaced the standard tire with a more aggressive A/T type tire. If that's correct, can you share with us what size tire those are and if you encountered any rubbing particularly on the front tires against the inner wheel well liners or suspension components. I've been wanting to do just what you've done but up until now was not aware of how easy it is to do. Thank you.
You're welcome Richard! I'm glad you liked it. The "Trail Rated" Overland JGCs, at least in 2015, come with the 18" wheel in this video. Yes sir. In fact, I made a video on the aftermarket tires; the link is below. I only experienced very slight rubbing on one wheel well with the Nittos when I added 1.5 inch Spider Trax spacers to the mix. If you aren't running any kind of spacer, the larger tires should not rub.
ruclips.net/video/JgNlRRjQn_0/видео.html
Tony Hepp can you put the link in of where you purchased the spacers. Your Jeep sits perfect.
has anyone had any success with adding the spacers to the struts with these links? like they do for the ram's with quadra lift? Makes it a much more smooth ride i hear.
Hi, great video and thank you for sharing. Can you confirm the final length you ended up with overall. Thx
4.53 inches in the video. A few weeks ago, I lengthened the rods by another 0.030 inch. Now, therefore, the length is 4.56 inches. Glad you benefited from the video. You're welcome!
@@TonyHepp Thanks. I see what you mean by some GC being different lengths. My factory lent was 4.42 inch. I cut my rod to 4.12 and gained 1/2" lift giving my JGC an almost perfect level look in standard drive mode. My rod was straight unlike yours. I was able to cut, reduce, and weld it back together. Saved me on cost. :)
Any issues with tire wear, wheel alignment, etc? Was reading a few posts from the forum and this issue was brought up a couple times. Curious if you had the wheels re-aligned after installing the different air links. Thanks
I did have the wheels realigned after leveling the vehicle. No problems to date.
Hey tony. Great video. I love watched it a few times and the first time I understood everything. Then I confused myself and am now wondering how a shorter rod raises the vehicle and a longer rod lowers it? Can you explain? Thank you!
You're welcome! I'm glad you liked the video. Ride height and front rod length are inversely proportional. The Jeep engineers simply designed the ride height sensor, rod, and other suspension components in this manner. They could have done it differently.
Tony Hepp I guess I don’t understand why a long rod will lower it and not a shorter rod
Tony Hepp and I truly appreciate your help and quick reply!
I am preparing to do this same fix but question is - will it not affect or damage air bags when ride on off-road 2 option, air bags will be stretch in that option probably above maximum working capacity ????
Good question. No. Suspension travel in offroad two will be nearly eliminated. But no damage to my Jeep has occurred.
Hey Tony very informative video. I'm a Chrysler Tech and thinking of leveling/lifting my 2014 Grand Cherokee Summit. I know when I currently put it in Offroad I/II the ride gets much stiffer. I assume that once you made your adjustment to the ride height link you have a stiffer ride as well? Thinking of adding the Rough Country Ride Height Leveling Kit.
Glad you liked it. The ride feel is identical, save driving over a particular railroad crossing in the closet city to my place. The front suspension over it is noticeably jarring. It reminds me of setting the height at maximum. I've not heard of the Rough Country kit. Will check it out now. 😉
Hi Tony, well done really nice and informative video. I was wondering if you've had any problems with the QL after this mod? If I understood you currently, the Jeep is now in Off-road 1 mode all the time? Please correct me if I'm wrong here. Did you tuned the rear end as well? Thanks, Sagi.
Thanks Sagi! No sir. The vehicle is normally in the standard height position. I did nothing to the rear end; I raised the front only. Take care.
In Canada those elbow joints are called ball joints. Just to help those looking for that part.
Deny Good tip. That's what I think they should be called too. 😉
Tony Great video. My desire is to LOWER my 2011 GC Overland. I want to set the standard ride height at the lower setting but not have the traction control turned off, which happens if you dial in the lowered SPORT setting. So if I fabricate some of my own adjustable links am I correct that, I need to lengthen the front links to lower the front and shorten the rear links to lower the rear. If this is correct do you lave any idea what , say 2mm in length does to the actual ride height, IE. 2mm longer link in front lowers Ride.Hht. 1/2 in? And finally, do you measure the ride height on level ground across centerline of wheel to underside of wheel well OR do you measure from center of wheel to underside of wheel well just curious? I'm sorry for so many questions but like you I'm a little OCD myself!
I'm happy you liked it! No. You need to lengthen both links. Two millimeters (~0.080 in) should change the body height at least 0.38 inch. You will have to "dial in" the required length by trial and error. On level ground, I measured the front and rear heights from the top of the tire to the underside of the wheel well/body trim. Since this is what I and others see when looking at the vehicle, their being equal was my goal. Feel free to ask more questions. Answers usually bring peace to us OCD folk. :)
Awesome video Tony. Is your Jeep in the video at ride height? Just wondering when you have it at the lowest point (exit) does still sit pretty low.
Chris Cunningham Thanks man! Yes, the height is at the normal or level one position. Yes, it still lowers normally when you select the entry/exit position.
Hey what’s up man! So i have a Jeep Grand Cherokee high altitude 2018 with the air suspension and i looked on the adjustablelink website and i only found for the 2017 and below!
Hi there! Do the 2018 links look like my 2015 links? If so, I recommend making your own.
Could you just shorten the stockers to 4.5" as long as both are done evenly? Thanks for your time
You're welcome! I see no easy, reliable way to change the length of the stock links.
What about the off-road modes? Do each of them still work correctly and function fully?
Robert Walters Yes, though as expected, the off road 2 height is very stiff.
Tony Hepp I've found it's super stiff in stock form regardless. Lol. Ordering the stuff to make these next week
Let me know how it turns out. 😊
What was the difference between the front and rear factory on yours?
Tony Hepp just finished the install on my 12, turned out great all 4 corners are within 1/8" which for me is acceptable. One thing I noticed on mine is that the actual wheel Well in the front is larger than the rear, it comes up higher. So I measured from the ground to the only constant line which is the line between the bottom of the door and the plastic panel on the rocker. Measure front and measure rear both sides. I set mine to the 4.50" measure to start and it was perfect.
Great video!!! If you answer some questions. I also have grand Cherokee and I’m trying to do the same thing to mine.
What is the height of your wheel fender flare after the adjustment and what airbag position?
In what air bag position were you adjusting the links on, was it on the entry/exit or Level 1?
Thanks for doing this video!
Thanks! 33.25 inches when the vehicle height mode is entry/exit. This will certainly vary from vehicle to vehicle. I measured a half dozen new JGCs at a dealership one day. The heights varied even on the same vehicle from driver's side to passenger's side by as much as 3/8 inch.
Tony Hepp awesome thank you for the information
How do you instal the safety pins on the joint, especially the top one it is imposible to do it?
Hi David. It's easy peasy. Each simply snaps into place. No tools except your fingers needed.
My 2012 overland is displaying a message that the air suspension is cooling down and than the height won't change knowing that sometimes everything goes well and desired height is set, any idea what to do?
Hi Joseph. No sir. But I bet someone has written on the subject at jeepgarage.org, an excellent forum that I joined shortly after buying my JGC.
Questions both raised modes were not affected? And question two how short could you possibly go on the rod to lift it higher without over airing the bags?
Hi William. No to your first question. I don't know to your second question.
@@TonyHepp saw in on post if go any more than u had the first time on 0R2 the air system would send and error message
Cool video's. Do your front struts make allot of noise over bumps like speed bumps and other low speed vertical movements?
k2sb20033 Thanks! They produce an abrupt noise when the tires suddenly fall, for example, at railroad crossings and the trailing side of some speed bumps.
what is the ball size of the 2 joints ....i seen that the all
thread is 5mm... where did you purchase them from
Von Bierman Hi! Please see the links in the video description.
You can go to Home Depot and get machine screws. M5 - .8 X 80mm that length is 3.1” worth of thread so plenty for this project. They cost $2 and are stainless steel.
what happends when you take it to the dealer and have the module replaced and you have to do a relearn on the height sensors? if the technicians do not know you did this they may not be able to set the ride height properly again and it will/may not be able to set the hight properly. this could cause a lot of frustration.
What module?
@@TonyHepp My module went out for the air ride suspension system. Maybe he’s talking about that. ???
Great video! I'm here in Oklahoma as well as have a WK2 Overland Summit with QL also. How is yours holding up overnight? Are you losing air when it sits hours? I am in the front only, but it raises back up just fine when started. I have the links, both the leveling ones and also some raising ones, or maybe its the other way around (leveling = raising, lowering = lower than stock). Where are you located, NE, Central, SW, etc? I'm NE.
Thanks for the compliment. When I back my JGC out of the garage in the morning, it will rarely power the air compressor for no more than 1.5 seconds. My family and I live in NE OK too! Rogers County, northeast of Claremore. :)
What were the exact measurements for those front links ?
Hi. Did you watch all of the video. I provide the length.
Hi Man, I have a 2017 WK2 Trailhawk Hemi "QL of course", and I really want to correct the rake / leveling, do you recommend any good quality ready-made rods ? do I need to do anything else beside shorter rods ? Thanks a lot :)
Hi Khaled. No sir to both questions. I'd like to see a picture of yours after you install the new links. 😊
@@TonyHepp I will with pleasure :)
So stupid question. I have all the parts. How do I get the male end out of the female end when first purchased from the store.Thanks in advance!
Hi Marc. There is a wire retainer that wraps around the ball socket to keep the male-threaded part in place. Remove that wire retainer. Then grab the socket with a pair of pliers or vise. Then grip the male-threaded part and rotate it out of the socket. It should pop right out.
Thank you Tony ... It took just a few minutes!
Do I just buy 1 threaded rod that's 1m long? Then cut to size?
Shaneybaney4u2nv You'll need less than eight inches for the front two. I purchased a meter only because that's what was for sale.
Great video! I am in Tulsa- what part of OK are you in?
Hi Stephen! Thanks. My family and I lived in Claremore until May of 2020. Now we reside in UT.
@@TonyHepp very cool. Thank you for responding!
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what kind of tires are those? And where can I get them?
Hi Fletcher. Nitto Ridge Grapplers, about which I have a video in my channel. Check it out.
Nice video, subscriped.
I think you can set the desired height with the right scanner to access car air suspension control module
Will this work on a 2wd Limted with air suspension?
I don't know. If that model is equipped with similar arms, I don't see why it would not.
Air suspension isn't even available on a 2wd.
What size and brand is that tire
ruclips.net/video/JgNlRRjQn_0/видео.html