I Made Skyrim's First Person Combat 100X More Enjoyable!

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  • Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
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    for those that would like extra help through a setup guide ive provided one via patreon here: / first-person-80779744
    Timestamps:
    00:00 - Intro
    01:09 - Combat Animations
    02:55 - Magic Animations
    04:34 - Combat Additions
    06:40 - First Person Overhauls
    Mods in this video:
    Comprehensive First Person Animation Overhaul
    www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspeci...
    Dynamic Impact - Slash FX
    www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspeci...
    Jumping Attack
    www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspeci...
    Flinching
    www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspeci...
    Precision
    www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspeci...
    Camera Noise
    www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspeci...
    First Person Animation Replacer - Swimming
    www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspeci...
    Recoil On Objects
    www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspeci...
    Tk Dodge
    www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspeci...
    Improved Camera SE
    github.com/ArranzCNL/Improved...
    Valhalla Combat
    www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspeci...
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  • @HeavyBurns
    @HeavyBurns  Год назад +56

    Hey all! Thanks for watching this video, for those that would like extra help through a setup guide ive provided one via patreon here: www.patreon.com/posts/first-person-80779744
    Please let me know if you enjoyed this video and what to cover next, Happy Modding :))

    • @redfangtabris7405
      @redfangtabris7405 Год назад +1

      I have Skyrim on Steam, How do i install a mod from github onto a steam game? idk how to do this lmao

    • @krissebesta
      @krissebesta Год назад +2

      Would you consider doing a video with these mods for Skyrim VR? That would be epic!

    • @HeavyBurns
      @HeavyBurns  Год назад +1

      @@krissebesta i would if i had a VR headset. Ive just moved into a place where i have a little bit more room now so maybe soon!

    • @HeavyBurns
      @HeavyBurns  Год назад

      @@redfangtabris7405 download Mod Organizer 2 and then go to github page and click "show code" or whatever it says and then download the Zip, drag that zip into mod organizer and install and enable :))

    • @user-tp5yb4hr4w
      @user-tp5yb4hr4w Год назад +1

      an installation guide is great, but what would be even better is a collections mod installer for this build for your game that keeps out all the nonsense and technical details for those of us who are tech inept or are lazy and want it to be a one click and download kind of deal so that we can play the game worry free.

  • @robertmcwhinnie5272
    @robertmcwhinnie5272 Год назад +751

    As a bloke he pretty much plays exclusively in first person this was awesome to see. thanks again for some stellar recommends Burnsy

    • @bormby_jones
      @bormby_jones Год назад +17

      Bloke is such a cute word

    • @gutserk7149
      @gutserk7149 Год назад

      @@bormby_jonesjust aussie vernacular

    • @dominicballinger6536
      @dominicballinger6536 Год назад +27

      Do people not commonly play in first person? I've only played in first person, although unmodded.

    • @komadorii
      @komadorii Год назад

      @@dominicballinger6536 I tend to switch between cameras as my characters are always waaay to pretty NOT to look at them : )

    • @mmoogl3547
      @mmoogl3547 Год назад +7

      @@dominicballinger6536 I used to only play in first person because I came from Oblivion, where 3rd persons unplayable. But once I picked up 3rd person in Skyrim it made combat much more enjoyable.
      You can play in 3rd person, then swap to first person when you're in dungeons/enclosed environments(so the camera doesn't collide with walls)

  • @AnathameStudios
    @AnathameStudios Год назад +429

    Thanks for showcasing CFPAO! My mod has shown up in quite a few showcase videos so far already, but this one has been my favorite. Great video!
    And thank you for mentioning it's still a work in progress! I've seen so many people saying that my animations look bad or janky, and yeah, of course they do lol. I got excited and released the mod before it was in a polished state. So many people don't understand this, so thank you for realizing that.

    • @bingobango8168
      @bingobango8168 Год назад +70

      Hey bro, I'm in most skyrim modding communities and multiple times I've seen you share the sentiment that your stressed out or overwhelmed working on this mod.
      I just want you to know that the overwhelming majority of us really appreciate your mod and to ignore the vocal minority who demand things.
      I've been using your mod since it released and while yes it does have its issues, I'm generally enjoying it and very happy you developed it.
      Keep up the good work I'm excited to see where your mod goes.

    • @arwahsapi
      @arwahsapi Год назад +12

      Thanks! You've done us a great service!

    • @HeavyBurns
      @HeavyBurns  Год назад +37

      Wonderful mod and no problem! Its super impressive thus far and im looking forward to seeing the updates ! Like i said in the vido, actually throwing fireballs is my favorite thing ive seen from a mod in a while :))

    • @chrisanders713
      @chrisanders713 Год назад +7

      I had no idea it was a WIP, and I absolutely love it! I can't wait to see what the finished/polished product looks like. Thanks for making Skyrim first person combat more fun!

    • @MasterSkyrim1000
      @MasterSkyrim1000 Год назад +1

      Thank you for your work Polar!

  • @VenusAsAFormerBoy
    @VenusAsAFormerBoy Год назад +128

    OF COURSE, first person would get this big an upgrade immediately after I finish my third person modlist 😭 I guess that playthrough will have to wait! These mods are great!

  • @babixillo
    @babixillo Год назад +201

    i recently build my first person setup, i want to add few points from your video:
    -flinching is already included in precision mod with different mechanics, you can have both though
    -dmco feels better than tkdodge in first person because its 8-direction vs 4-direction in tkdodge, the ultimate dodge mod i think also have 8-direction, but haven't tried it. scar+mco if you want npc do combos, it won't affect player 1st person combat animation.
    *edit: i went back to tkdodge re 0.48alpha, dmco is fine but i noticed it doesnt do movement. the animation plays but the movement only follow left stick movement.
    -if using improved camera SE(which you should) i highly recommend Immersive interaction mod by jayserpa, and use forced 3rd person settings, it will play in 1st person. just untick pet horse option because it causes glitch.
    *edit: make sure youre using v5 improved camera, i'm at 65 hours stable with this combination
    -jumping attack is great but in my setup it makes blocking with weapon stuck often and just unplayable if i play melee, i'm sad.
    -i use zupa for potion animation and animated eating redux for food animation because they works in first person with improved camera.
    -mod authors are amazing i respect them a lot

    • @motivateddad
      @motivateddad Год назад +1

      The Ultimate Dodge Mod don't work with 1st person the last time I used it, and Improved Ca.mera isn't available on 1.6.640 yet

    • @lewd2851
      @lewd2851 Год назад +1

      @@motivateddad Downgrade to .353, its the better version

    • @lewd2851
      @lewd2851 Год назад +1

      Gotta correct something here, be VERY careful if you plan on using IC with Jayserpas II, the mod has a known glitch where upon doing any action with the forced 3rd person setting the pc gets teleported back to whichever cell door they exited last. Afaik theres no fix for this yet

    • @babixillo
      @babixillo Год назад

      @@lewd2851 i tested for hours haven't encountered this yet. is the glitch happen immediately or later in the middle of playthrough? i'm using v5 IC and latest Immersive Interaction

    • @lewd2851
      @lewd2851 Год назад +1

      @@babixillo Happened for me mid-playthrough, about 10 hours in, even tho both mods were installed prior to starting the game. I've seen a couple of posts regarding it and SUPPOSEDLY v5 was supposed to fix it, but users kept reporting it even afterwards.
      No idea how or why this happens but, its better to be aware

  • @igavinwood
    @igavinwood Год назад +9

    Loving the work put into these vids and recommendations. These first person mods bring Skyrim back from my days on consoles. Great work and many thanks to you and the modders.

  • @Aaron067
    @Aaron067 Год назад +127

    Just in time for my bi-annually skyrim modding binge

    • @pterodummy
      @pterodummy Год назад +6

      Damn… relatable

    • @optimuprime500
      @optimuprime500 Год назад +1

      It is bi-monthly for me usually

    • @Lakata125
      @Lakata125 Год назад +2

      Lol I spent a whole day installing a skyrim modlist to play it for like 10 minutes and then quit. Planning on doing it again

  • @Skullbushi
    @Skullbushi Год назад +38

    As someone who spent weeks early this year looking for and trying combat mods I can say that the ones in this video are without a doubt the cream of the crop, all you need for a fantastic Vanilla+ combat experience is only Precision , Dynamic Slash, Improved Camera, AGO, Tk Dodge (This can make combat easier so use at your own discretion, also use the Sidestep option as rolling is dumb), Smart NPC Potions, Xlice Potion animation and If you need a combat animation mod just use the one in this video.

  • @Mjcaboose2801
    @Mjcaboose2801 Год назад +11

    Truly an underrated youtuber. Thank for all your videos and the work that goes into them

  • @ryanbutler544
    @ryanbutler544 Год назад +7

    Heck Yeah! This is fantastic! I just got a gaming PC, and these are exactly the mods I have been waiting for for my first PC Skyrim playthrough!

  • @laylaalder2251
    @laylaalder2251 Год назад +15

    Thank you! I play ES games first person to be immersed in the world, so it's really nice to see some love for the way I prefer to play!

  • @justiciar1964
    @justiciar1964 Год назад +11

    Skyrim Community: *(Try to mod in the perfect Dark Souls-esque 3rd-person camera into Skyrim)*
    Elden Ring Community: *(Makes a really amazing though dizzying first person camera mod for Elden Ring that looks like Mirror's Edge or something)*
    Skyrim Community: And I took that personally.

  • @ClayzinhaGaming
    @ClayzinhaGaming Год назад +23

    One of the best skyrim mods channel, never disappoint 😊❤

  • @furio-mous
    @furio-mous Год назад

    Thank you so much ! I'm a great fan of the first person and I'm really happy that you made such a good mod comp for people like me :)

  • @mothepeach
    @mothepeach Год назад

    THANK YOU!! These are all EXACTLY what I've been after, and are gonna make getting back into Skyrim so much easier and more fun

  • @ninjty
    @ninjty Год назад +1

    your videos are always the best burns, love you bro

  • @threemeters1425
    @threemeters1425 Год назад +19

    Thanks! The stand-out feature of TES is that it’s first-person and allows you to be much more personal with the world. Third person is great but always has that missing feeling of immersion, glad these mods exist

    • @skezeksskybreaker5425
      @skezeksskybreaker5425 8 месяцев назад

      Agree I only use 3rd person briefly when traveling or in a tavern. But most of the game I want to feel like I am seeing it through my own eyes not watching someone else perform the actions.
      This is one of the reasons I liked playing Halo rather than a game like Gears of War even though both are fine games.

  • @noahhyatt
    @noahhyatt Год назад +1

    that dynamic slashing effect totally changes combat for me. Thanks so much for showing it!

  • @MisterButterfingers
    @MisterButterfingers Год назад

    This is the exact thing I was looking for! THANK YOU

  • @Kaoson
    @Kaoson Год назад +49

    Great video as usual HB! I've always felt that first person has been ignored... Hopefully this video inspires people to make more first person mods!

    • @Facelessfoodtrips
      @Facelessfoodtrips Год назад +3

      yeah, it has, I play in first person exclusively since i'm almost always an archer, so this is somethingfor me

    • @Kaoson
      @Kaoson Год назад +1

      @@Facelessfoodtrips Yup, the animations are great tbh

  • @aedward.c6119
    @aedward.c6119 Год назад +1

    Amazing list friend

  • @dondankleberg4965
    @dondankleberg4965 4 месяца назад

    love the music choice and the vibe and your voice!

  • @matheussantos9367
    @matheussantos9367 Месяц назад +1

    This is the first person experience I’ve always dreamed of on Skyrim! Thank you for the comprehensive showcase!

  • @TheAdoringFan
    @TheAdoringFan Год назад +3

    I pretty much had this all in my mod list already, but still an amazing video

  • @phatgomeb0ss
    @phatgomeb0ss Год назад

    This Video is a BANGER! so many good mods!

  • @CaptPanda
    @CaptPanda Год назад +5

    Awesome video Heavy Burns! Love all the mods here

    • @HeavyBurns
      @HeavyBurns  Год назад

      Thanks dude, keep up the great work yourslef, been seeing a bunch of cool stuff from you recently

    • @CaptPanda
      @CaptPanda Год назад +1

      @@HeavyBurns what an honor from one of the content creators who inspired me to start this journey. Thanks Burns! Will do my best.

  • @grey_being
    @grey_being Год назад

    Thank you for this video compilation. Such a Wonderful mods.

  • @JonnyCrackers
    @JonnyCrackers Год назад +2

    Just tested this overhaul out, and it's really great. Especially with those new weapon animations. Been doing the souls-like 3rd person style for a while so it's nice to have something like this for a more vanilla+ experience.

  • @Markk4kk
    @Markk4kk Год назад +1

    Thank you! As someone that plays almost exclusively in first person view, it's good to see videos like this. There's too many videos showing 3d perspective mods.

  • @Un.Breton.en.Vadrouille
    @Un.Breton.en.Vadrouille Год назад

    Exactly what i needed thanks bud!

  • @gabrieltan612
    @gabrieltan612 7 месяцев назад

    This video does exactly what it should. Thank you

  • @chrisanders713
    @chrisanders713 Год назад +4

    Thanks for the mod recommendations. I never really like Skyrim combat in first person except for the bow of course. These mods look like an excellent way to make it more enjoyable. Keep up the great work Burns!

    • @HeavyBurns
      @HeavyBurns  Год назад +3

      No problem! thanks for watching :))

  • @kurtcastro8007
    @kurtcastro8007 Год назад

    Very good video bro

  • @torranlegrand3094
    @torranlegrand3094 Год назад

    Amazing video love your content.❤

  • @Ahalya007
    @Ahalya007 Год назад +3

    the bad thing about this is that if i one one mod from this list i need to install 10 other mod to run it.

  • @Finger112
    @Finger112 Год назад +4

    So now we need Heavy Burns Combat Animations!

  • @casyleer144
    @casyleer144 Год назад

    That intro of yours gave me chills. 👍🏼🥰👍🏼

  • @novAviator01
    @novAviator01 Год назад +1

    Thank you for the video

  • @123reivaj
    @123reivaj Год назад

    Very Good! :D

  • @JC-dl1ns
    @JC-dl1ns Год назад +1

    You really know how to showcase mods. I picked up a few from this.

  • @bzylwk7707
    @bzylwk7707 Год назад +5

    Damn that enb looks amazing

  • @ruperterskin2117
    @ruperterskin2117 10 месяцев назад

    Cool. Thanks for sharing.

  • @wickedcrayon6022
    @wickedcrayon6022 Год назад +9

    I’ve always preferred playing first person so this list is very much appreciated.

  • @MooneShadow
    @MooneShadow Год назад +1

    Oh yes, this is great!!!

  • @patrickmccarron2817
    @patrickmccarron2817 Год назад

    I’m an old school TES player who plays almost exclusively in 1st person (only use 3rd person to look at my armor/clothing), so thanks for putting this out!

  • @GreenSpleenSubmarine
    @GreenSpleenSubmarine Год назад

    Yep, starting a fresh install right now.

  • @gabrielchcosta
    @gabrielchcosta 10 месяцев назад

    I'll make sure to use some of these mods whenever i play skyrim again. It will absolutely make it better.

  • @jumpycarogna
    @jumpycarogna Год назад +1

    Combat looks really dope, great job! I also love the general look of the game. Could you please share which mods/collections are you using?

  • @613aristocrat
    @613aristocrat Год назад +13

    The Valhalla Combat parrying would pair nicely with the lightsaber mod. Especially if you make all enemies mages with another mod. Then you can be a true Dovahkin Jedi Knight!

  • @mrjtfang2
    @mrjtfang2 Год назад

    Where have these mods been my ENTIRE life?

  • @siiweeyy1321
    @siiweeyy1321 Год назад

    Jump attack and Improved camera SE are definitely getting added to the mod list 👍

  • @lizdevilz7271
    @lizdevilz7271 Год назад

    With this list,Now I can finally make "Skyrim combat but good" loadorder, Thanks, Man!

  • @popscape8490
    @popscape8490 Год назад

    Id love to see a heavy burns play through with the production value and all his favourite mods included. Make a proper role playing narrative

  • @rifflerunderhill7006
    @rifflerunderhill7006 Год назад

    Just in time for a new playthrough, starting from here and building my Argonian unarmed barbarian.

  • @Soviet_Hibiki
    @Soviet_Hibiki Год назад

    That's what I was needing for a long time... For years...

  • @leahriggins76
    @leahriggins76 Год назад +1

    So cool! wish I had a PC that could handle this

  • @troy1870
    @troy1870 7 месяцев назад

    Great video, what is the armor used in the opening clip? Looks cool :)

  • @herwigdesk5861
    @herwigdesk5861 Год назад

    I would also recommend parry animation mod. For those perfect blocks is amazing

  • @JOSHthGamer
    @JOSHthGamer Год назад +1

    Thank you. Using the new first person animations along with Valhalla, Precision, an old version of Valravn and Valvalis Combat which makes tweaks to all 3 basically, which is on top of Skyrim revamped and real bosses. Watch mist skeletons in soulcairn rapid fire their ice shards at you, you'll die in seconds unless you either spam dodge OR better yet time your blocks to deflect all those shards back at them.

  • @RepiriGaming
    @RepiriGaming Год назад +2

    Not only a great video but finally a creator who doesn't have a female character model that makes me think I looked up "Skyrim Mods Inflation Kink" instead of just general mods. Keep up the great work and thank you for the video!

  • @StonedAKhana
    @StonedAKhana Год назад

    BAHAHHA I love how you just snuck in "if he breathes, he's a simp" in there with motivational voices. It sounds so natural lmao

  • @idoodlenoodles3731
    @idoodlenoodles3731 Год назад +1

    YOOO FINALLLYYYY

  • @JMurdochNZ
    @JMurdochNZ Год назад +1

    Another great video. I will definitely explore these as i am building a new install now. I never play in 3rd person at all. It's less immersive. Hell i never use horses due to the forced 3rd person. Never understood that when Oblivion had 1st person horse riding.

  • @altaccount2179
    @altaccount2179 Год назад +3

    Hey could you release a video on your graphic mods too? they look great!

  • @ratstorm838
    @ratstorm838 Год назад

    I can feel my Skyrim addiction coming back

  • @maddog4186
    @maddog4186 Год назад

    AND HERE I GO DOWNLOAD THIS GAME ONCE MORE

  • @danielnathanael5370
    @danielnathanael5370 Год назад +7

    Wow! What enb are you using in this video?

  • @streetphone4619
    @streetphone4619 9 месяцев назад

    Great showcase. Am I correct in thinking that you had all of those mods working together?

  • @katcirce
    @katcirce Год назад +1

    Always played in first person so I loove this

  • @AvatarV
    @AvatarV Год назад +2

    Here we go 🍿

  • @AaronBGunn
    @AaronBGunn Год назад

    where is the mod for magic animations? Also, beautiful video as always

  • @Fl4ttt
    @Fl4ttt Год назад

    Hey man great vid. Could you post the load order?

  • @TheCrossed23
    @TheCrossed23 Год назад +1

    Have been looking for the slash effects mod for ages so thank you very much. Couldn't find it because it doesn't have blood in the name 🙄

  • @Falkrikk
    @Falkrikk 10 месяцев назад +1

    looks like that author was inspired by the game : Dark Messiah of Might and Magic. Looks awesome !

  • @shdoods
    @shdoods Год назад +2

    Found the Comprehensive mod literally two days ago. And I also must mention, the master rank conjuration spells are actually pretty cool.
    As for the second mod, I have a mod that is kinda like that. But it adds the large anime-style slash with a audio that's expected of hitting metal against metal.

    • @HeavyBurns
      @HeavyBurns  Год назад

      Ah i didnt check the master spells, i should check that out thankyou!

    • @shdoods
      @shdoods Год назад

      @@HeavyBurns
      Elemental spells are a let down though. They are the same as the regulars in the mod. Runes as well.

  • @pacifica2391
    @pacifica2391 Год назад +1

    Bro finally, i swear i feel like the only guy who play this game first person

  • @Dinosaurusbaby
    @Dinosaurusbaby Год назад

    Hey @HeavyBurns
    Will there be a wabbajack installer for your entire "Should have been" series?

  • @battenburg6089
    @battenburg6089 Год назад

    I've been looking for something like this, I wanted to get a nice modlist for first person on my Steam Deck, not knowing where to begin. Thanks!

    • @HeavyBurns
      @HeavyBurns  Год назад

      No problem! how the steam deck handling for you? ive been thinking about getting one

  • @deepblume6611
    @deepblume6611 Год назад

    Its good see animation mods dedicated to first person, im still getting used to how modded 3rd person works, im so used to vanilla 3rd person view

  • @griffinshawler8256
    @griffinshawler8256 Год назад +2

    As someone who has, from the very beginning played Skyrim exclusively in first person, thank you.

  • @sergiv5613
    @sergiv5613 Год назад +3

    Can you please give a list of mods that made your game look so amazing?

  • @RidoDrago
    @RidoDrago 9 месяцев назад

    I use this mod too and another must have mod to add to these is Elven Power Attack, in which you no longer perform a power attack by holding the mouse key but rather bind it to a key so you can power attack at will and never by accident while holding your attack button for too long....

  • @williamleitz3551
    @williamleitz3551 Год назад +1

    Great video, makes the game so much more enjoyable! Quick question though, I'm currently using the improved camera mod and the FOV is awful, it feels very zoomed in and the weapon enchantment mod is almost over bearing because of it. Is there anyway to adjust the FOV for this mod? Using the console command doesn't work as the mod seems to force itself back to it's original FOV.

  • @makkrohero59
    @makkrohero59 Год назад

    Back in November of last year, I modded like crazy to make the game like Elden Ring's combat. Problem being, that I actually enjoy first person so much more than third. I really struggle to immerse myself in the game while playing third person. So I got bored, real quick.
    Now I found this video and wanted to try this. I have to say, now i'm really enjoying the game again. Good combination of mods! Thank you so much! Now I'm in a Skyrim-hype period yet again :)

  • @Snake-Raptor
    @Snake-Raptor Год назад

    This is pog

  • @royalfilho1871
    @royalfilho1871 Год назад

    What mod are you using for horses? They look amazing!!

  • @KameronArcher
    @KameronArcher Год назад

    As soon as I saw the way daggers were animated I was sold

    • @Arronic
      @Arronic Год назад

      Gives me dishonored vibes literally

  • @anwah3528
    @anwah3528 4 месяца назад

    Hi, this is amazing. Can you let me know how you got the water that color of blue?

  • @Cwronaga216
    @Cwronaga216 Год назад +1

    I need to know your exact texture setup including overwrites.

  • @birdiemcchicken1471
    @birdiemcchicken1471 Год назад

    Thank you very much for this. As a first-person purist, I've felt left out quite a bit v.v

  • @TheRisesStorm
    @TheRisesStorm Год назад +1

    Graphic mods? any extra mods you have for this video? modlist would be super cool

  • @DaddyMaster76
    @DaddyMaster76 Год назад

    They are really nice. I wish anyone knew how to actually get these mods working. All the mod descriptions just say "put it in this folder" without detailing anything else

  • @bowiesensei5574
    @bowiesensei5574 Год назад

    Instantly downloaded this mod

  • @muxanoss7653
    @muxanoss7653 Год назад

    At last 12 yeasrs later the game is finaly ready

  • @Rushtallica
    @Rushtallica Год назад

    I'm a little surprised nobody seems to have a video or reddit link or something explaining how to install the github file for the Improved Camera mod. I read through posts there in case anyone had a similar question and received any help, but it seems everyone else just knows how, but I get illegitimate file structure that can't be fixed with just setting the top line to data directory in MO2, so can't use that one. Maybe someday I'll have time to look back at some old Gopher videos and might figure out how to repack it into a new compressed file to use. But the others are good and easy to install. Thanks for posting them.

  • @MarkusManon
    @MarkusManon 27 дней назад

    Cool!!!!

  • @DavidJG242
    @DavidJG242 4 месяца назад

    Modding skyrim again and again - one day I will play the game

  • @raughboy188
    @raughboy188 10 месяцев назад

    Oh my! I see that when i decide to return to skyrim thati'll have to update my mod list and replace some mods too. Also there are refits I'll need to do including updating one i already made. Look up Himbo and Cbbe refits for seasoned traveller if you use that mod. Refits are mine but original mod is Xtudo's.

  • @Belkak021
    @Belkak021 Год назад

    FINALLY!!!!

  • @DanielBerthellemy
    @DanielBerthellemy Год назад +1

    Hi, mind letting me know which ENB are you using?