What a great question Ken! It is indirectly why I watch your videos. I wanted to (late in life) start singing rock songs at karaoke nights, and wanted improvement. My older brother is retired from opera singing (15+ years with Vancouver Opera Company) and I hoped he could teach me. He had absolutely no patience to listen to the 80's/90's rock I am interested in. I guess now I know why you seem to have the teaching style I like. Thanks, G
Japanese animetal or Japanese anime metal makes Opera singing like a rock singer or even a speedmetal singer. Pegasus Fantasy (Saint Seiya) by Sadie. m.ruclips.net/video/ej6EytVYItY/видео.html
as a former opera singer whos a rock singer now i do feel its different. its the same in a way of applying those techniques aka dynamics and control but yes there are differences. pronunciations and vibrato. with rock its less vibrato(well unless its heavy metal like iron maiden some times aka bruce dickenson who has a very operatic voice) and yes i agree having classical/opera training definitely opens more of a range for rock singing. so i can sing pretty low and very high too.
Rock or opera?Definitely a difference.Also with the singing technique.My singing teacher was an opera vocalist.Employed at the Zagreb opera. Very nice presentation and explanation Ken. Thank you so much. Rock on🤘🤘
One thing I always praise in pop music and modern song over classical music is the variety of vocal styles. Classical music is superior in almost every way, ie. counterpoint, theme and development, etc, but modern song is superior in vocal style.
Ken, Excellent explanation on the differences between rock and operatic singing. We can use operatic techniques with a few modifications to the brightness and in turn have a safer more effective method of singing Rock.
I started to train as a belcanto tenor ten years ago at the age of 58. Your explanation of technique is right on, very inciteful. Floor Jansen of Night Wish is classically trained and does the crossover wonderfully. She is only about 30 yrs. old and she is a mommy. Amazing! I commend you for your approach on vocal technique!
First time n your channel you said placment and show it and explain it. And that stuff are everything for good singers this knoledge and how too achived that that's huge Ken . And all truth :> Brawo!!!
As much as I wanted to sing rock, I couldn't, for 35 years. My voice wouldn't let me. Then I started taking classical and opera singing lessons. It took a while to learn to sing "properly". Pavarotti is possibly the greatest singer to study. Once I did, rock started becoming easier and easier to sing. When I tell non music playing friends that singing is by far the hardest instrument to perform well with, they laugh. They have no idea what they don't know.
Once again Ken, you absolutely nailed it. Both with answering the question and with all of your vocal demonstrations, they are so damn good. I myself, have always thought about this question as well, and it was amazing to get a straight answer from you Ken, because you always tell it as it is, and i absolutely love that about you. I also want to wish you a merry christmas and a happy new year, and i can´t wait to see what you have in store for us in 2022. :)
Thank you, Ken! I am a former opera singer looking to transition to singing more contemporary styles and this is so helpful. And you're 100% right. As a soprano, my chest voice was completely neglected, as was the break from chest to head, because I was a coloratura and those super high notes were my bread and butter. Now in my 40's I am finding I have TONS of chest voice that I have just never used, and I'm trying to bridge that break and strengthen my mix. Love your videos!
Years ago when I was in college studying Jazz guitar and music education, I was performing rock live but I had a vocal coach who was teaching me opera Italian. It was strange to me. Great Video Ken!
100% correct about chest voice. One only has to listen to Maria Callas, Rosa Ponselle or Eileen Farrell, or more contemporary sopranos like Sierra Bogges, Kristen Chenoweth and Floor Jansen to see that that chest is completely workable and possibly ideal in a classical voice.
Just wanted to say you are so talanted.Many voice coaches dont know the stuff you know .Im just telling it like it is.Not just this clip but you have made your own album.Been on tour .Play guitarr and so much moore.Not many voice coaches has done that.
It will be interesting if you tried to sing a pure classical song. You had uploaded Nessun Dorma once. It was an interesting performance, quite different from someone who is pure operatic singing trained. Maybe a crossover song like Gethsemane ?
The self taught street credibility is a hindrance in rock music in so many ways. You constantly read about cancelled gigs due to loss of voice. Klaus Meine of Scorpions is a prime example. He lost his voice during the sessions for "Blackout" album. He had a surgery but he also took vocal therapy that was meant to operatic singers, in Vienna.
Thank you, Ken! What an excellent and timely topic for me. I love rock and opera. Started taking lessons year ago- more bel canto approach. Love your videos. You’re an excellent teacher.
Totally agree it should be! Several singers I like are supposed to be opera trained, and seems they are after watching lots of your videos. They are able to bring a big toolbox with them to the studio or stage!
Rock singing is totally different from opera singing totally different sounds I never thought of rock singing should be like opera singing him well their both great for their different styles of sound Ken thanks for sharing your tips and thoughts Ken never thought of it this way I guess rock singers should sing like opera singers love your comparisons and methods and takes on it cool info Ken 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I've noticed this when practicing my high notes in an operatic style. I can easily switch from a operatic sound to a rock style, and for me even a rock style is easier, but I've noticed that if I put more chest into my high notes they get super operatic sounding. But if I let the chords go a bit and use less chord, then the sound becomes very pop or rock or even jazz😅 is this in line with what you teach Ken?
Hey Ken: Nice video! How do classify this line of thought vis a vis the neoclassical singing of someone like Dimash. BTW, I would like to see your review of Dimash’s newest works, “Stranger” and his vocalise of Krutoy’s Ave Maria. I think you will see that he has updated his sound like you suggested. I know that he watches you guys. A recent documentary showed him listening to Tara Simon.
Most of the Opera singers from back in the days were told that they wouldn't do much if they sing ópera in México... Instead they were told to sing on a Mariachi Band and so they did and that gave us such an amazing singers like Jorge Negrete, Pedro Infante, Vicente Fernández and many others from that old age!!
Interesting topic, thanks. Glad you mentioned Pat Benatar in relation; I wouldn't mind more video comparisons on this topic regarding her, Annie Haslam of Renaissance, and other rock/pop singers who were operatically trained/inclined. Thanks!
This was a brilliant technical explanation 👏 and also explains why I love Kayla's singing so much. She's got the full chest register as her support base. Funny enough, I was thinking of how rich her mid-bass and lower register were before seeing this. Makes total sense now. How can you hit those money high notes without support and then not expect to have both a weak lower register and ruin your voice in the long term? Makes me wonder how many vocalists in rock, opera and musical theater have had their careers ruined by bad training. 🤔
A lot of great points in this video. It makes me think of Michael Sweet of Stryper because from things I have read about him, he can hit the C6 note (aka the soprano high C), which most other male vocalist cannot hit, especially in falsetto.
I think the microphones is the biggest thing that makes the difference. Opera is limiting you because the voice needs/has to travel further away on it's own. The microphones makes you able to vary the vocal production a lot more. The support is very similar thou. Larynx height differs because the formants that makes the voice travel are created with a low laryngeal position (check Johan Sundberg's research).
Ken you make some great points. My opinion is if you really want to be a good rock/metal singer you should learn how opera singers train. They can really belt out the notes without even using mics. I also believe they would keep their voice a lot later in life like you have.
I always wondered if stage singing for musicals was actually the super hybrid of rock and opera - these people perform for decades, flawlessly every night. So this makes complete sense. BTW haters - all done in one take, no edits!
Hey Ken, can you do a reaction to Julia by Pavlov's Dog, I am very interested to see what is going on with this song, I find it very hard to even give it a try to sing because usually when I listen to a song I can feel the vowel placement in my own throat but with this song nope
Hey @KenTamplinVocalAcademy you should react to a band called Fraternity - Seasons Of Change, which is one of the groups of Bon Scott, lead singer of AC/DC, I think it will be a surprise!
Operatic vocals should be pure rounded Italian vowels with full resonance - no squeezing or shoving the sound into certain areas. It also doesn't harshly ride the cords or sound strident. It's a connected column of sound. It's active but not affected. Of course this cannot be said for all singers, especially tenors who apparently think they all have the secret technique and the perfect sound. The perfect Italian sound would be a blend of Pavarotti and Corelli. Never harsh never white never belty, with the consistency of tone and a sizzle or squilante in the upper register.
What do opera singers mean when they say , lets say . for tenors, any note from and including, lets say , an f#4 or a g4, must be covered?I kind of get what they mean , but I would like a more detailed view.
Hi Ken, my name is John. I was just watching your What the Fach? What is your voice type? I would like to know precisely what my fach is. My range goes around a D2 to C7. I discovered several years ago, that last note Dimebag Darrell played at very end of Cemetary Gates is a C7. I discovered that I can sing that pitch in my full/ mixed voice with tremendous projection and sustain. What classification would I be in?
What a great question Ken! It is indirectly why I watch your videos. I wanted to (late in life) start singing rock songs at karaoke nights, and wanted improvement. My older brother is retired from opera singing (15+ years with Vancouver Opera Company) and I hoped he could teach me. He had absolutely no patience to listen to the 80's/90's rock I am interested in. I guess now I know why you seem to have the teaching style I like. Thanks, G
Japanese animetal or Japanese anime metal makes Opera singing like a rock singer or even a speedmetal singer. Pegasus Fantasy (Saint Seiya) by Sadie.
m.ruclips.net/video/ej6EytVYItY/видео.html
as a former opera singer whos a rock singer now i do feel its different. its the same in a way of applying those techniques aka dynamics and control but yes there are differences. pronunciations and vibrato. with rock its less vibrato(well unless its heavy metal like iron maiden some times aka bruce dickenson who has a very operatic voice) and yes i agree having classical/opera training definitely opens more of a range for rock singing. so i can sing pretty low and very high too.
Floor Jansen is a great Opera singer her rendition of O Mio Babbino Caro is amazing.
Rock or opera?Definitely a difference.Also with the singing technique.My singing teacher was an opera vocalist.Employed at the Zagreb opera.
Very nice presentation and explanation Ken.
Thank you so much.
Rock on🤘🤘
One thing I always praise in pop music and modern song over classical music is the variety of vocal styles. Classical music is superior in almost every way, ie. counterpoint, theme and development, etc, but modern song is superior in vocal style.
Ken, Excellent explanation on the differences between rock and operatic singing. We can use operatic techniques with a few modifications to the brightness and in turn have a safer more effective method of singing Rock.
I started to train as a belcanto tenor ten years ago at the age of 58. Your explanation of technique is right on, very inciteful. Floor Jansen of Night Wish is classically trained and does the crossover wonderfully. She is only about 30 yrs. old and she is a mommy. Amazing! I commend you for your approach on vocal technique!
She is actually 41.
First time n your channel you said placment and show it and explain it. And that stuff are everything for good singers this knoledge and how too achived that that's huge Ken . And all truth :> Brawo!!!
Thanks and welcome!
As much as I wanted to sing rock, I couldn't, for 35 years. My voice wouldn't let me. Then I started taking classical and opera singing lessons. It took a while to learn to sing "properly". Pavarotti is possibly the greatest singer to study. Once I did, rock started becoming easier and easier to sing. When I tell non music playing friends that singing is by far the hardest instrument to perform well with, they laugh.
They have no idea what they don't know.
Once again Ken, you absolutely nailed it. Both with answering the question and with all of your vocal demonstrations, they are so damn good. I myself, have always thought about this question as well, and it was amazing to get a straight answer from you Ken, because you always tell it as it is, and i absolutely love that about you. I also want to wish you a merry christmas and a happy new year, and i can´t wait to see what you have in store for us in 2022. :)
Thats why I almost watch your Videos every time To sing Rock Songs is close to Opera Stuff
Happy New Year. Ken the Voice of The World
A KENtemporary teaching masterpiece!
Which reminds me I´ve always wanted to hear you singing Nessun Dorma. Love that song
Ken, could you please do a more in depth tutorial on Bel canto ??? Along with an example scales for this? 😘🙏
Thank you, Ken! I am a former opera singer looking to transition to singing more contemporary styles and this is so helpful. And you're 100% right. As a soprano, my chest voice was completely neglected, as was the break from chest to head, because I was a coloratura and those super high notes were my bread and butter. Now in my 40's I am finding I have TONS of chest voice that I have just never used, and I'm trying to bridge that break and strengthen my mix. Love your videos!
You're such a good love. I wish I were in California or wherever you're living to attend your academy.
Years ago when I was in college studying Jazz guitar and music education, I was performing rock live but I had a vocal coach who was teaching me opera Italian. It was strange to me. Great Video Ken!
100% correct about chest voice. One only has to listen to Maria Callas, Rosa Ponselle or Eileen Farrell, or more contemporary sopranos like Sierra Bogges, Kristen Chenoweth and Floor Jansen to see that that chest is completely workable and possibly ideal in a classical voice.
Just wanted to say you are so talanted.Many voice coaches dont know the stuff you know .Im just telling it like it is.Not just this clip but you have made your own album.Been on tour .Play guitarr and so much moore.Not many voice coaches has done that.
It will be interesting if you tried to sing a pure classical song. You had uploaded Nessun Dorma once. It was an interesting performance, quite different from someone who is pure operatic singing trained. Maybe a crossover song like Gethsemane ?
The self taught street credibility is a hindrance in rock music in so many ways. You constantly read about cancelled gigs due to loss of voice. Klaus Meine of Scorpions is a prime example. He lost his voice during the sessions for "Blackout" album. He had a surgery but he also took vocal therapy that was meant to operatic singers, in Vienna.
Thank you, Ken! What an excellent and timely topic for me. I love rock and opera. Started taking lessons year ago- more bel canto approach. Love your videos. You’re an excellent teacher.
Another great vid from the best vocal coach out there! Hope you had a wonderful Christmas Ken! A very happy and prosperous new year to you too ✌️
Thanks Ken
S ounds totally different!
Totally agree it should be! Several singers I like are supposed to be opera trained, and seems they are after watching lots of your videos. They are able to bring a big toolbox with them to the studio or stage!
Rock singing is totally different from opera singing totally different sounds I never thought of rock singing should be like opera singing him well their both great for their different styles of sound Ken thanks for sharing your tips and thoughts Ken never thought of it this way I guess rock singers should sing like opera singers love your comparisons and methods and takes on it cool info Ken 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks for listening!
My pleasure Ken always buddy
Hey Ken! Interesting vid. Informative as always; a,e, i, o, u, and sometimes Y(es)! Lol! Have a good one!😎
incredibly insightful, astute, and informative
I've noticed this when practicing my high notes in an operatic style. I can easily switch from a operatic sound to a rock style, and for me even a rock style is easier, but I've noticed that if I put more chest into my high notes they get super operatic sounding. But if I let the chords go a bit and use less chord, then the sound becomes very pop or rock or even jazz😅 is this in line with what you teach Ken?
Sir, can you give some exercises on vocal cool down
Hey Ken:
Nice video! How do classify this line of thought vis a vis the neoclassical singing of someone like Dimash. BTW, I would like to see your review of Dimash’s newest works, “Stranger” and his vocalise of Krutoy’s Ave Maria. I think you will see that he has updated his sound like you suggested. I know that he watches you guys. A recent documentary showed him listening to Tara Simon.
In México it is Mariachi VS Opera 🤗
Most of the Opera singers from back in the days were told that they wouldn't do much if they sing ópera in México... Instead they were told to sing on a Mariachi Band and so they did and that gave us such an amazing singers like Jorge Negrete, Pedro Infante, Vicente Fernández and many others from that old age!!
Still waiting for the day which Ken is going to cover Don't Wanna Miss A Thing 😿
Hmm. It sure seemed like it when Freddy did it. He sure gave it a theatrical approach....
Feliz navidad y próspero Año Nuevo Campeón,un abrazo...
Really interesting and informative.. Thank you Ken!
love to watch your video
Great video as usual! Have you ever done an analysis of Meat Loaf? Always loved his voice…
I haven't.
Interesting topic, thanks. Glad you mentioned Pat Benatar in relation; I wouldn't mind more video comparisons on this topic regarding her, Annie Haslam of Renaissance, and other rock/pop singers who were operatically trained/inclined. Thanks!
Well said Ken.🎶🎵🙂
Awesome stuff. Great info.👍
This was a brilliant technical explanation 👏 and also explains why I love Kayla's singing so much. She's got the full chest register as her support base. Funny enough, I was thinking of how rich her mid-bass and lower register were before seeing this. Makes total sense now. How can you hit those money high notes without support and then not expect to have both a weak lower register and ruin your voice in the long term? Makes me wonder how many vocalists in rock, opera and musical theater have had their careers ruined by bad training. 🤔
hey Ken do you like kip winger the band winger
Yes I do.
Me to Ken they rock their awesome
Hi Ken. Could you do a video comparing the ability and technique of tge phantom of the opera singers who played the Phantom and Christine?
A lot of great points in this video. It makes me think of Michael Sweet of Stryper because from things I have read about him, he can hit the C6 note (aka the soprano high C), which most other male vocalist cannot hit, especially in falsetto.
They’re totally different but both can be done very well
Whenever I think of rock and opera I think of Meat Loaf. A fantastic singer from the 70s through the 90s. Unfortunately, he's lost his voice too.
Oh my gosh!! I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE Meat Loaf!!!! He's become one of my favorite singers these past weeks. Too bad he died this year.
Fabulous instruction!!!! Wow!
I think the microphones is the biggest thing that makes the difference. Opera is limiting you because the voice needs/has to travel further away on it's own. The microphones makes you able to vary the vocal production a lot more. The support is very similar thou. Larynx height differs because the formants that makes the voice travel are created with a low laryngeal position (check Johan Sundberg's research).
Very interesting video
Glad you liked it!
@@kentamplin I can literally see your vibrato lol
I like opera! Thank you for this video.
Ken you make some great points. My opinion is if you really want to be a good rock/metal singer you should learn how opera singers train. They can really belt out the notes without even using mics. I also believe they would keep their voice a lot later in life like you have.
Soo Good!! Thanks Ken!!!
Ofcourse,its différent technik,And both is not easy.But it could bé great to control thé voice in this two ways.
Freddy Mercury was the absolute best and the master of this!!! I always said he had an "operatic rock" voice.
Yes! ( if your a student of Ken Tamplin;) )
I always wondered if stage singing for musicals was actually the super hybrid of rock and opera - these people perform for decades, flawlessly every night. So this makes complete sense.
BTW haters - all done in one take, no edits!
Hey Ken, can you do a reaction to Julia by Pavlov's Dog, I am very interested to see what is going on with this song, I find it very hard to even give it a try to sing because usually when I listen to a song I can feel the vowel placement in my own throat but with this song nope
I don't want to play teacher, but the plural of "Fach" is "Fächer" or "Faecher" for the english alphabet. German is complicated.:-)
Hey @KenTamplinVocalAcademy you should react to a band called Fraternity - Seasons Of Change, which is one of the groups of Bon Scott, lead singer of AC/DC, I think it will be a surprise!
What about Rock Opera??
Pat Benetar is trained in opera
I always thought Bruce Dickinson was quite operatic in his style. I mean, the guy is a vocal freak no matter what but he has a beautiful tone.
Rock and roll kenny
Youre my inspiration to sing! Could you please check out my new song? Mad Type - Device thanks a lot!
Operatic vocals should be pure rounded Italian vowels with full resonance - no squeezing or shoving the sound into certain areas. It also doesn't harshly ride the cords or sound strident. It's a connected column of sound. It's active but not affected. Of course this cannot be said for all singers, especially tenors who apparently think they all have the secret technique and the perfect sound.
The perfect Italian sound would be a blend of Pavarotti and Corelli. Never harsh never white never belty, with the consistency of tone and a sizzle or squilante in the upper register.
Not anything like the latest version of Jon Bonjovi... 😂 Geoff Tate would be the closest example to a modified operatic style. Thanks
Yes to All Of This!!!!!🎤🎶✨🔔💥
...i consider myself a tenor rock singer... thanks to KTVA...
What do opera singers mean when they say , lets say . for tenors, any note from and including, lets say , an f#4 or a g4, must be covered?I kind of get what they mean , but I would like a more detailed view.
Good technique is good technique I the more versatile you are the better. Freddie Mercury sang both rock and opera so it can be done
Hey ken
So naturally for a tenor or soprano its easier to sing a rock song because it is more similar to opera?
love your guitar, what is it?
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Bel canto is really the best way to sing rock
Not even close to the same thing
Might ask Freddie Mercury ^^ He managed to include opera in rock and rock in opera
I'm not sure he would be great as an opera singer.
Hi Ken, my name is John. I was just watching your What the Fach? What is your voice type? I would like to know precisely what my fach is. My range goes around a D2 to C7. I discovered several years ago, that last note Dimebag Darrell played at very end of Cemetary Gates is a C7. I discovered that I can sing that pitch in my full/ mixed voice with tremendous projection and sustain. What classification would I be in?
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that word you say in 3:21, i'm not native english speaker, and can't get what's the spelling, is it "tenance" of Bel Canto?
tenets
@@kentamplin Thank you so much!!!
Nope. Folk music from culture to culture is sung differently, let alone rock VS opera.
Thank you so much for educating everyone on singing!