Compassion, empathy, sympathy, & HELPFULNESS | Steve Rollnick
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- Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2024
- It is an absolute honour & privilege to speak with Professor Stephen Rollnick.
Steve is a clinical psychologist and Honorary Distinguished Professor in the School of Medicine at Cardiff University. With Professor Bill Miller, he co-founded motivational interviewing (MI). Stephen's career has been remarkable, spanning clinical service, training people, and researching how to have helpful conversations across various settings and around the world.
Stephen has profoundly influenced my professional journey. His seminal book, Motivational Interviewing: Preparing People to Change Addictive Behavior (1991), was published just as I was finishing my undergraduate studies and moving into postgraduate clinical psychology. My PhD focused on using MI to work with veterans experiencing posttraumatic stress disorder and alcohol dependence, and during that time, Steve and Bill published the second edition of their book in 2002. The third edition came in 2013, and now we have the 2023 4th Ed, Motivational Interviewing: Helping People Change and Grow.
In addition to these pivotal works, Stephen has authored and co-authored several other influential books on MI and its applications in healthcare, schools, and sports. (Check the links in the description for more on Stephen’s books.)
Currently, Stephen's twin interests lie in sport and healthcare, with a focus on helping people flourish. He takes on projects aimed at improving wellbeing, togetherness, and performance, all through the lens of motivational interviewing.
In our conversation, we delve into topics such as motivational interviewing, compassion, empathy, sympathy, how to effectively give advice, and the concept of helpfulness-how we can best be helpful while reducing the chances of unintentionally causing harm.
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Compassion in a T-Shirt: In Session
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Professor Steve Rollnick Website
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Motivational Interviewing: Helping People Change and Grow (Miller & Rollnick, 2023)
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Motivational Interviewing in Health Care: Helping Patients Change Behavior (Rollnick et al., 2022)
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Motivational Interviewing in Schools: Conversations to Improve Behavior and Learning (Rollnick et al., 2016)
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Coaching Athletes to Be Their Best: Motivational Interviewing in Sports (Rollnick et al., 2019)
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The Skilled Helper : A Problem-Management and Opportunity-Development Approach to Helping (Egan, 2018)
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Wonderful and helpful video. I especially loved the distinction of emotional empathy and cognitive empathy. I've trained at this for years without specific terminology as I show Brene Brown's empathy video and then add my own take/definition that empathy is "less about what you feel and more about where you are" (am I sitting down beside you to understand your worldview and challenges). The conversation around sympathy left me wondering whether there might be a Venn diagram here with sympathy one circle (I feel for you), empathy the other (I want to understand your world and your pain), and compassion the overlap (I genuinely, altruistically care about you). Thank you for always stretching my understanding of MI.
Yes! I love the idea of the Venn diagram. Perhaps compassion might be depicted as a three circle Venn diagram: sympathy, empathy, and action? And I love Brene Brown and some of her animation videos are so great. I am not sure I agree with her take on sympathy in one of them, but I love her idea that compassion needs to come along with boundaries. Thanks again!
Wonderful, what a philosophical conversation 😊Nevertheless deep, insightful and supportive. The story of the group meeting of Jewish and Muslim was personally supportive and insightful as an Israeli these days.
It's occurred to me few time while listening, that based on my personal experience of being able to opened up to compassion, that for one to really being able and be compassionate helpful with human being and self, it's required allot off as the teaching saying "back to the body" practices. Also to have even the basic knowledge of human development and emotional needs in order to have the capacity to act from a calm/regulated physiology stance, one that can recognize what is harmful and what is helpful. Complex it is, and unfortunately unavailable to all or raise resistance in others. Maybe that's why our world is struggling to be compassionate 🥴
P.S the topic of Shaming, although 'easy' to understand, something in me do wish if it would be interested by you to elaborate on that, maybe from the perspective of the threat or drive system or both (is it the inner critic of the one who do the shaming who motivates and 'runs the show' ?). 🙏🏻
Thank you so much for your thoughtful reply and kind words of encouragement!
And yes, "bringing it back to the body" and creating a sense of calmness and safeness really is a key step towards cultivating compassion for self and others. You're right when you say that this is difficult for some and for others it can evoke resistance. People are often threat system activated, and this makes it very difficult. But a calm mind, when it is achieved, is much more able to recognise harmful from helpful.
Re shame...I have a few videos on the topic of shame that you might be interested in, such as ruclips.net/video/iYQSdBqAqzw/видео.html - and there are others as well. But I think it is a good idea to revisit the topic!
Thank you again for your interest and thoughtful comments!
@@drstansteindl Yeee exactly, people are often threat system activated, I remember when my therapist reflected to me when I started to go out of survival state/ threat system state... But honestly doing the compassionate mind work it's what helps the most - I remember hearing about "Calm mind" in a short video by Dr Lee about trauma, somehow its organized all I knew already about compassion, self compassion, mindfulness Etc. Tx for the link, will check it out🙏🏻