The Guardian became terminally ill in the mid nineties when New Labour were in the ascendancy. It had been a necessary counterbalance to Thatcherite Britain. Sadly, so many of the salient problems of our time date to this time. One wonders if John Smith's quieter, seemingly modest personality, would have been healthier for British society.
Curiously they do. It tends to be the older guys who arent going to be promoted and seemingly DGAS any more. Stuart Heritage on movie reviews is approaching critical drinker stages of disrespect for modern Disney and John Harris is an old school leftie who likes to get out with the foot soldiers, knocking on doors during campaigns and has a real pub level grasp of what the British public wants. He might have socialist ideals but he is incredibly free of political doublespeak fluff and can be scarily accurate about the failings of his own party and others. Which means they keep him around to pretend theyre still a left wing paper then promptly ignore anything he says and go back to the identity stuff.
As an aging lefty, who has read the Guardian for 50 years, I can confirm that it's standards of journalism have fallen off a cliff in the last 10 years. It's only the habit of a lifetime that draws me to it each day. Thank god I don't have to pay for it. It takes me 5 minutes to scroll through all the LGBTQ articles, the man-hating articles and the feminist lifestyle articles. Simon Jenkins is sometimes worth a read. That's about it. It reminds me of a Wimmen's magazine of the late 1990s.
Hi Angus I have a very similar view. There are/were some good journalists at the Guardian like economist Larry Elliott (now retired?) but journalists like Hadley Freeman felt the need to move on
Yeah I would have thought 10 years ago , you got to rememebr they won a pulitzer prize for the Snowden story in 2014 (w/ Greenwald) ... back when Alan Rusbridger was chief editor and the spacademic "left" was about "truth to power" and NOT " stenographers for establishment"
Ian Aitken, James Cameron, those were the days, now only independently wealthy people write for them and the lies and garbage they drivel and drool about is embarassing
It was particularly after the Edward Snowden articles. Glenn Greenwald left to start _The Intercept_ (which also turned to trash) and Katharine Viner basically pledged loyalty to MI5.
Amoeba level intelligence. How the Guardian has sunk. But at least there are enough amoeba level consumers swilling down their free content - most of them ironically very rich (on paper) earnest wokey Londoners who toss off over Sadiq Khan with their vegan bran flakes.
It's a pathological condition of entrenched self-sanctification, it's almost become a congenitally inherited psychological disorder amongst a certain middle class demographic. Because it hasn't been recognized as a pathology, these people are allowed to wreak havoc in our country through an arrogant belief they hold absolute territorial rights to the moral and ethical high ground.
He's a treasure almost up there with Douglas Murray. Whenever I listen to Andrew, I love it because he is so able to take anyone on. The clip of him having a go at a barrister on GB News is classic. I would LOVE to see him in a chat with LBC's James O'Brien. Jacob Rees-Mogg took O'Brien apart, and I would really like to see Andrew do it.
Many, many years ago I had a revelation about newspapers. I was reading an article about something I was actual expert in and it was total drivel. I started the next article and it came to me - there was no reason to believe that the next article was any more accurate than the previous one.
A journalist is a person who journals. These are not journalists as they do not journal. They write fiction. If anything they should be called novelists.
Rumor has it that Elton Musk is buying the Guardian and Observer. For those existing employees who do not suddenly start reporting the whole truth, I hear the Brampford Monthly is looking for staff for its children’s page.
Just a couple of years ago no one would have thought that political parties, institutions and the media would think that knowing Edward Izzard is a man was in any way pass remarkable.
"Yeah, but what is truth? If you follow me..." It seems the Guardian recruits staff straight out of the Lionel Hutz School of Journalistalism and Law Talking Guys.
In my occasional foray into Guardian articles, I've noticed they no longer allow comments on most stories, unless it is some light hearted puff piece. Their RUclips channel does though...
What on earth has happened to the once great British media? They used to be journalists, now they're just mindless scribblers ... not even worthy of the gutter.
Yep, remember the Sunday Times...and World In Action and Panorama? Every week, they would fill you in on a global story from real journalists. Now, they either make it up or copy'n'paste.
The Guardian was lambasted for it's nonsense 30 years ago. At university we used to joke that there are two versions of every article, the written one and the one you can read by "reading between the lines".
I read a literary publication the other day, with an introduction by Christopher Hitchens. I noticed that it had been published by The Guardian, which made me realize just how much the press has been captured. Hitchens used to write for Slate, The Nation, Vanity Fair, The New Statesman, The Atlantic and many others. Those publications would sometimes carry radical ideas (and very often by Hitchens himself), and sometimes witless ones (never by Hitchens), but they were never completely captured by an ideology the way they are now. Even when some publication insisted on socialism, there would always be open and fierce discussions about what was meant by that. The Press - especially the Left Press - is absolutely ruined now. They are useless as papers of record, purveyors of news, sources of information and even any type of balanced political debate. The Right Wing media, what there exist of them, are not all that much better. They serve no purpose except propaganda. None.
Mine disappear literally every day. I wrote a piece on the origins of the EEC the other day, quite lengthy, and I have written it before. Disappeared in about five minutes.
Australian here. I have been having issues with Jason Wilson for years. He's basically that meme of SJWs who in their own mind they are the tank man in Tiananman Square, but everyone else sees him as a whinging nobody. He is a Guardianista in its final form. He solely focuses on "antiracism" and "antifascism". He is the only person in history to have moved from Australia to Portland, Oregon, because evidently he thinks that's where everything is happening. And worst of all, he is the type of neoliberal infilitration of the left that deliberately completely ignores class & economic politics and solely focuses on identity politics. Those on the left who are focused on class and economic issues, as well as imperialism, need to expunge these people.
Good afternoon and thank you both for s small titter...the Guardian has been a sad joke for years...long may it continue in its idiocy...and typos...dgp
4:45 _"Most of the people that used to read_ [The Guardian] _think it's funny"._ I don't. I think it is outright dangerous in its warmongering towards a nuclear superpower.
I also think that his description is simplistic . I posted a link to the article they refer to but it’s not been allowed in the coments. I’m surprised by that. I advise people to read the article as the complaints about the article are mirrored if this interview. I find that a bit hypocritical. The guardian is tedious, self righteous and out of touch in my opinion but so are a lot of media outlets .
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To be criticised by the Guardian nowadays means you are doing something right.
Funnierst aspect of the Guardian is their claims to support both feminism and Islam, no contradictions there in the minds of the wokies
Well their feminism only applies to men in dresses so there you go.
STOP IT! The Guardian doesn't have journalists.
Jason Wilson Molests Collies
The Guardian became terminally ill in the mid nineties when New Labour were in the ascendancy. It had been a necessary counterbalance to Thatcherite Britain. Sadly, so many of the salient problems of our time date to this time. One wonders if John Smith's quieter, seemingly modest personality, would have been healthier for British society.
Curiously they do. It tends to be the older guys who arent going to be promoted and seemingly DGAS any more.
Stuart Heritage on movie reviews is approaching critical drinker stages of disrespect for modern Disney and John Harris is an old school leftie who likes to get out with the foot soldiers, knocking on doors during campaigns and has a real pub level grasp of what the British public wants.
He might have socialist ideals but he is incredibly free of political doublespeak fluff and can be scarily accurate about the failings of his own party and others.
Which means they keep him around to pretend theyre still a left wing paper then promptly ignore anything he says and go back to the identity stuff.
@@voiceofraisin3778 Maybe my friend but hardly a glowing report on the G's staff overall
If I had a parrot I would not even line the bottom of its cage with the nearly bankrupt Guardian.
I pray The Guardian keeps going. If it doesn’t then I’ll have to start paying for toilet paper again.
I am so much more confident going forward in crazy times when there are people like Andrew Doyle around calling out stupidity. Thank you.
As an aging lefty, who has read the Guardian for 50 years, I can confirm that it's standards of journalism have fallen off a cliff in the last 10 years. It's only the habit of a lifetime that draws me to it each day. Thank god I don't have to pay for it. It takes me 5 minutes to scroll through all the LGBTQ articles, the man-hating articles and the feminist lifestyle articles. Simon Jenkins is sometimes worth a read. That's about it. It reminds me of a Wimmen's magazine of the late 1990s.
Like the Irish Times perhaps ....from conservative protestant to wokey left ??
Hi Angus I have a very similar view. There are/were some good journalists at the Guardian like economist Larry Elliott (now retired?) but journalists like Hadley Freeman felt the need to move on
Yeah I would have thought 10 years ago , you got to rememebr they won a pulitzer prize for the Snowden story in 2014 (w/ Greenwald) ... back when Alan Rusbridger was chief editor and the spacademic "left" was about "truth to power" and NOT " stenographers for establishment"
Ian Aitken, James Cameron, those were the days, now only independently wealthy people write for them and the lies and garbage they drivel and drool about is embarassing
First Dog on the Moon is usually pretty good. But the rest has plummeted downhill over the last several years.
One time the Guardian published a load of their 'Checked Facts, all were quickly disproven, and they don't do that anymore
The Guardian, gave up the ghost on integrity 20ish years ago and it happened quite suddenly.
Suzanne Moore ex-guardian journalist says it was when they opened up their US office.
It was particularly after the Edward Snowden articles. Glenn Greenwald left to start _The Intercept_ (which also turned to trash) and Katharine Viner basically pledged loyalty to MI5.
Amoeba level intelligence. How the Guardian has sunk. But at least there are enough amoeba level consumers swilling down their free content - most of them ironically very rich (on paper) earnest wokey Londoners who toss off over Sadiq Khan with their vegan bran flakes.
Some are so convinced that they are on the good side that any lie or tactic is justfied because "were good people"
* we're good people
It's a pathological condition of entrenched self-sanctification, it's almost become a congenitally inherited psychological disorder amongst a certain middle class demographic. Because it hasn't been recognized as a pathology, these people are allowed to wreak havoc in our country through an arrogant belief they hold absolute territorial rights to the moral and ethical high ground.
Go ahead Doyley!
Keep up the god work Andrew!
He's a treasure almost up there with Douglas Murray. Whenever I listen to Andrew, I love it because he is so able to take anyone on. The clip of him having a go at a barrister on GB News is classic. I would LOVE to see him in a chat with LBC's James O'Brien. Jacob Rees-Mogg took O'Brien apart, and I would really like to see Andrew do it.
Many, many years ago I had a revelation about newspapers. I was reading an article about something I was actual expert in and it was total drivel. I started the next article and it came to me - there was no reason to believe that the next article was any more accurate than the previous one.
I was a Labor support then I realised there was way more money to be made on the right…
A journalist is a person who journals.
These are not journalists as they do not journal.
They write fiction. If anything they should be called novelists.
Rumor has it that Elton Musk is buying the Guardian and Observer. For those existing employees who do not suddenly start reporting the whole truth, I hear the Brampford Monthly is looking for staff for its children’s page.
Just a couple of years ago no one would have thought that political parties, institutions and the media would think that knowing Edward Izzard is a man was in any way pass remarkable.
Who pays for the guardian.?
Does anyone actually take the Guardian seriously?
The guardian ? It sounds like the BBC
It walks like the BBC.
Their staff are interchangeable.
Now you see it all first hand
They could choose to offer an objective alternative view, but they don’t. Like the BBC ‘defund’.
That wont work because they don't rely on sales to keep going.
They have private backers, which should tell you something about their true motives.
No one reads the Guardian.
That’s why their begging for money 😂😂😂
If I go in search of the epicentre of bollocks written by the high priests of shite I go to The Guardian newspaper.
"Yeah, but what is truth? If you follow me..."
It seems the Guardian recruits staff straight out of the Lionel Hutz School of Journalistalism and Law Talking Guys.
In my occasional foray into Guardian articles, I've noticed they no longer allow comments on most stories, unless it is some light hearted puff piece. Their RUclips channel does though...
what audience the Guardian has left is inconsequential.
hit piece = badge of courage. It appears you hit a nerve, well done!
As someone who grew up with the Guardian I feel the same, it's like you realise you've been lied to all your life by a partner.
What on earth has happened to the once great British media? They used to be journalists, now they're just mindless scribblers ... not even worthy of the gutter.
Yep, remember the Sunday Times...and World In Action and Panorama? Every week, they would fill you in on a global story from real journalists. Now, they either make it up or copy'n'paste.
Fewer and fewer people want to pay for quality journalism. So what do we expect? Hacks, churnalism and click bait......
The Guardian was lambasted for it's nonsense 30 years ago. At university we used to joke that there are two versions of every article, the written one and the one you can read by "reading between the lines".
The Guardian has never been a good newspaper but in the last 10 years it's dropped to a level far below the 'Red Tops'.
The GUARDIAN should be on the same Shelf a ANDREX ! & for the Very same Purpose !
Really? The Manchester Guardian misrepresented the truth? You shock me sir.
A guardian hack gets something totally wrong, surprise.
I read a literary publication the other day, with an introduction by Christopher Hitchens. I noticed that it had been published by The Guardian, which made me realize just how much the press has been captured. Hitchens used to write for Slate, The Nation, Vanity Fair, The New Statesman, The Atlantic and many others. Those publications would sometimes carry radical ideas (and very often by Hitchens himself), and sometimes witless ones (never by Hitchens), but they were never completely captured by an ideology the way they are now. Even when some publication insisted on socialism, there would always be open and fierce discussions about what was meant by that.
The Press - especially the Left Press - is absolutely ruined now. They are useless as papers of record, purveyors of news, sources of information and even any type of balanced political debate.
The Right Wing media, what there exist of them, are not all that much better.
They serve no purpose except propaganda. None.
Vanity Fair has taken down a video Hitchens made.
@Uppernorwood976 I am not at all surprised
No right thinking person gives a toss about the guardian.
It’s why they no longer post on X, they constantly got community noted!
I wrote a mildly critical comment here on the Guardian, vanished, ah that's youtube always with teh cencorship just like the guardian
Mine disappear literally every day. I wrote a piece on the origins of the EEC the other day, quite lengthy, and I have written it before. Disappeared in about five minutes.
The Guardian have gone off the rails in recent times. Totally captured by wokeness & the gender ideology movement. Well done Andrew Doyle.
In recent times? Decades are hardly "recent".
Australian here. I have been having issues with Jason Wilson for years. He's basically that meme of SJWs who in their own mind they are the tank man in Tiananman Square, but everyone else sees him as a whinging nobody. He is a Guardianista in its final form.
He solely focuses on "antiracism" and "antifascism". He is the only person in history to have moved from Australia to Portland, Oregon, because evidently he thinks that's where everything is happening.
And worst of all, he is the type of neoliberal infilitration of the left that deliberately completely ignores class & economic politics and solely focuses on identity politics.
Those on the left who are focused on class and economic issues, as well as imperialism, need to expunge these people.
I always thought marxism was extreme left not "left leaning"
The Guardian, of what ?.
isn't The Guardian and Journalist an oxymoron , The Guardian aren't Journalist .
Good afternoon and thank you both for s small titter...the Guardian has been a sad joke for years...long may it continue in its idiocy...and typos...dgp
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You know Andrew, one born every minute 😂
The Guardian is VIZ - the same IQ level. VIZ was very funny...as is the Guardian.
4:45 _"Most of the people that used to read_ [The Guardian] _think it's funny"._ I don't. I think it is outright dangerous in its warmongering towards a nuclear superpower.
Guardian......usefull fools
The Grauniad hasn’t been a rational news outlet for decades. The worries just make sh*t up then scream at you if you disagree. 😂😂
I love Andrew Doyle, butI think his characterisation of Spiked is a bit simplistic.
What is wrong with the far right?
Whats the Guardian ?
I’m joking - yeah right.
Every time I see Andrew Gold I realise why the BBC didn’t want him presenting things, he looks so uncomfortable and awkward, would be dreadful.
He always seemed like a rich boy with no talent, but lots of money that makes him think he has talent.
@ 100% this. Just another whiney rich boy that easily falls in with cults
Can we stop using woke in the manner. It is just downright boring and doesn't add anything.
I love Andrew Doyle, butI think his characterisation of Spiked is a bit simplistic.
I also think that his description is simplistic . I posted a link to the article they refer to but it’s not been allowed in the coments. I’m surprised by that. I advise people to read the article as the complaints about the article are mirrored if this interview. I find that a bit hypocritical. The guardian is tedious, self righteous and out of touch in my opinion but so are a lot of media outlets .