*UPDATE:* Confirmed from @ComandanteGridner : " The current RedClix set is not officially compatible with the C60 since the bigger burr might stress the polymer clicker too much potentially leading to damage of the parts. That's why we don't recommend using the RedClix in C60 Baracuda. In the future we might be releasing a RedClix specially made for C60. For now on we think that the GoldClix offers enough flexibility for the majority of the users to perfectly dial in their brews. "
I was soooo waiting for this video... Thank you, Josh! Unfortunately, I didn't hear what I was the most anticipating - not the obvious differences from C40, that anyone can notice, but a grasp of understanding better how the scaling of the burr affected the taste in comparison with C40. Not to mention the comparison with Kinu, Niche 0, and 1zpresso... But maybe you're planning those for the next videos... Fingers crossed. lol
I saw a comment from Comandante stating that they do not recommend installing the Red Clix on the C60. That is because of the bigger burr size which creates a lot of pressure on the dial while grinding that could break the plastic Red Clix dial.
Good review! I have been told by someone close to Comandante that Red Clix, although fits in, is not recommended. Apparently there are some additional forces while grinding on Baracuda that can brake the plastic part. Hence they gave us this metal clix.
@@AlternativeBrewing Yes, indeed @mycoffeeshow111 is right. The current RedClix set is not officially compatible with the C60 since the bigger burr might stress the polymer clicker too much potentially leading to damage of the parts. That's why we don't recommend using the RedClix in C60 Baracuda. In the future we might be releasing a RedClix specially made for C60. For now on we think that the GoldClix offers enough flexibility for the majority of the users to perfectly dial in their brews ☺
Łukasz from the Comandante Community explained what click sizes correspond to: C40 has 30 microns per click C60 has 21 microns per click I have a C60 and you can find the unboxing video and more coffee videos made with it on my channel. I would like to thank the @AlternativeBrewing Team for sharing this video with us.
Oh, dear… and I thought you might be exaggerating, - you are not, I totally agree ;-) BUT, if you happen to be rather rich and are some kind of Hipster outdoor guy, you might…
I really think they should've innovated with the adjustment mechanism. If they do release a motor attachment then I doubt anyone is going to want to use an internal mechanism. The Arco 2in1 would surely just be a better choice.
Compared to Kinu M47 classic, which one has better overall? (Espresso and filter coffee) I am so confused which one should i buy, since both of these are very2 amazing grinder.
Both! Thats a tough split. I really like the grind adjustment on the Kinu. Yet comandante has such a unique profile that’s really enjoyable too. I’d go the Kinu over the Baracuda or get the Comandante C40 👍
this is what's weird about it. the C60 has definitely a premium build quality about it, with a HEAVY outer shell and a great click adjustment (dropping it from 30 microns to 21 microns per click is great) but they literally ignored ALLLLL of the modern quality of life upgrades that people like 1zpresso, Timemore and various other mfgers have been implementing. still having a free floating burr without an attached axel is mind boggling, and ZERO numbered adjustment dial is just play mental. I get that Commandante feels that they're the OG and I genuinely like their build quality over most others, but this release seems tone deaf.
Don't get the hype between either the c40 or c60 Got a 1zpresso q2 for traveling with the aeropress. 30clicks/rotation. 25micron/click Can be bought for 95eur. Makes great aeropress, pourover, frenchpress and stil espresso capable
@@someguy9520 I actually used a 1Zpresso for a full year until its crank handle broke (in Nov. 2022), no replacement available. I don´t know why 1Zpresso doesnt offer replacement parts like Comandate does. Then I bought the C40Mk4.
@@someguy9520 I´m in Europe, Austria. Back then, a year ago, there was no info or replacement part available from 1Zpresso directly or a third party seller.
It is quite large yes - I’ve not discovered any information on this - but in my testing with the Omni Particle Size Reader, 3-4 clicks equals around 100-120 microns
I don't have much issue with internal adjustment, the catch cup need to be removed to get the ground coffee out anyway to me not having the numbering to indicate the current grind setting is about the worst thing, and also the biggest let down of C60
I'm quite bummed out by this grinder, many people say the taste\clarity only improves about 5-10% from the c40... really not enough for more than double the price. I'd get the Pietro instead, at least you can clearly taste a difference...
I love Comandante (i own one) but their prices are too high for most of the people maybe in 3-4 years i'll get a c60 lol.... then some anti-comandante 1zpresso fanboys will say "1Zpresso is better because is cheaper", but 1zpresso is also overprericed for what they offer (is just a regular grinder with normal steel burrs, with external adjustment) I really hope this chanel and some other review KINGrinders, they are 100$ cheaper than 1zpresso, 16 micron adjustment and has the same burr that 1Z K and X series has 🤷
Let me kick in here to clarify some points. 1Zpresso is great for its engineering and innovation, not bc is cheaper. Happens that the guys in Taiwan are so good at innovating and providing the market with ultimate hand grinder performance that's also affordable. Comandante grinders are crazy expensive for what they offer and again comandante lovers jump to say that C40/C60 quality is unmatched.. I'm not the judge but just to remind you, most recent barista champions have used 1Zpresso grinders, for a reason. Just think about it for a second. Regarding Kingrinders, while pretty similar to 1Zpresso grinders in .a y aspects, these two brands ain't at the same quality level right now. 1Z holds the edge and I've used both, comparing side by side.
1ZPresso will sell me an all-metal grinder with a visual, external grind adjustment system for significantly less than the C60. For significantly less I can also get the Mazzer Omega or Pietro flat burr hand grinder. I can almost get an 1ZPresso K-Max AND a Fiorenzato Pietro for the price of the C60 - it's a tough sell, I don't see why the C60 is so expensive.
@@Raditram can confirm that the K-max and K-ultra produce what I would consider a better cup. more separation of flavors, slightly more crisp. the C40 (don't have the C60 yet) is more blended, and I genuinely reach for the K-ultra/Max more often than I do the C40 by far.
@@MikeEdwards-j9g K series beat C40/C60 anyday. And a couple weeks ago I finally received my ZP6 special which is leagues above in terms of clarity, separation and ultimate grind uniformity. I've compared side by side C40, C60, J & K series from 1Zpresso. K series beat Comandante grinders and still can definitely tell ZP6 SP beats them all, any day.
1ZPresso is designed in Taiwan and made in China while Comandante makes everything in Germany. The location of manufacturing alone will increase the price.
The C40 is well made and has a certain charm. I'll give credit where it's due - the heptagonal burr design changed the hand grinder game and many brands (and users) have benefited. The most common complaints I hear about the C40 in 2023 are that it's, slow, expensive, and uses an outdated adjustment mechanism. The C60 costs twice as much as a C40, 3-4 times more than most 1ZP models, and the only meaningful improvement seems to be the speed (while giving up the "smooth" C40 grinding). This release seems to be completely tone deaf. I don't see many people buying this grinder.
It is true, but I don't think that's neccesarily a bad thing. Comandante grinders are like record players. There are more modern and efficient ways of listening to music, but the simplicity and analog feel of it keeps a lot of people attracted. Same goes for the Comandante, they offer a feel and grind/build quality that's just not matched in the world of grinders. They offer limited edition colors and finishes, which is something a lot of people find desirable. Yes, you could go with a 1Z, they are absolutely great value and great quality, possibly even better, but they don't give that same feel as a Comandante.
That's nice AD, but I'm not buying. Sold my c40 mk3 long time ago because wasn't happy about how poor they did some parts like: wood, plastic parts which got scratched just by looking on them. Then mk4 wood laminate was even bigger of a crap, and now this for 500+ eur, lol. Also that ping plastic jar, for 500eur+ 😆 because fanboy babies break glass, yeah yeah sure sure. I'm not telling c40 was bad, but for it's price and this new meme I can buy better product from other company. Not going to tell which one, to prove my point it's not about shilling but to mark this is meme product for fanboys.
I am so disappointed that they still couldn’t produce enough stock to buy. Honestly, it has been a long time to wait for this grinder . Such a disappointment to the Comandante manufacturing
This grinder just seems like more of a “flex” to me. Way cheaper grinders can do a way better job fortunately. The Comandante cult following is dwindling ( this is how it comes across to me) but still enough they can create an expensive underwhelming grinder. Good job! Bravo! But it’s not to late for Comandante if they play there cards right. Otherwise over the next 10 years they will become like Blockbuster Video. I still want them to succeed, but they need to then create products that are actually relevant, like a pourover specific burr geometry with a better adjustment system, or espresso specific burrs. That would give them three critical grinders including the C40. If they really really wanted to capture the coffee connoisseur audience they would create a better flat bur like the Pietro but succeed in all the places they failed.
@@Raditram 1zpresso's best grinder line is a blatant ripoff of the c40 burr design. They're already in the court system over stealing their handle design.
*UPDATE:* Confirmed from @ComandanteGridner : " The current RedClix set is not officially compatible with the C60 since the bigger burr might stress the polymer clicker too much potentially leading to damage of the parts. That's why we don't recommend using the RedClix in C60 Baracuda. In the future we might be releasing a RedClix specially made for C60. For now on we think that the GoldClix offers enough flexibility for the majority of the users to perfectly dial in their brews. "
lol
I was soooo waiting for this video... Thank you, Josh!
Unfortunately, I didn't hear what I was the most anticipating - not the obvious differences from C40, that anyone can notice, but a grasp of understanding better how the scaling of the burr affected the taste in comparison with C40. Not to mention the comparison with Kinu, Niche 0, and 1zpresso... But maybe you're planning those for the next videos... Fingers crossed. lol
Coffee Grinder Showdown: Comandante C60 Baracuda Vs Comandante C40 Mk4
ruclips.net/video/inKvHv2nQI0/видео.html
I saw a comment from Comandante stating that they do not recommend installing the Red Clix on the C60. That is because of the bigger burr size which creates a lot of pressure on the dial while grinding that could break the plastic Red Clix dial.
At that price, I think it’s way more worth looking at the electric grinder category.
Exactly you can even go for the niche duo for both espresso and/ pour over burrs as it’s swappable
Good review! I have been told by someone close to Comandante that Red Clix, although fits in, is not recommended. Apparently there are some additional forces while grinding on Baracuda that can brake the plastic part. Hence they gave us this metal clix.
Interesting 🤔 hopefully we get some clarification on this - I know Joe and the team from Comandante are very active in these discussions 👍
@@AlternativeBrewing Yes, indeed @mycoffeeshow111 is right. The current RedClix set is not officially compatible with the C60 since the bigger burr might stress the polymer clicker too much potentially leading to damage of the parts. That's why we don't recommend using the RedClix in C60 Baracuda. In the future we might be releasing a RedClix specially made for C60. For now on we think that the GoldClix offers enough flexibility for the majority of the users to perfectly dial in their brews ☺
thanks for confirming 🫶 @@ComandanteGrinder
Łukasz from the Comandante Community explained what click sizes correspond to:
C40 has 30 microns per click
C60 has 21 microns per click
I have a C60 and you can find the unboxing video and more coffee videos made with it on my channel. I would like to thank the @AlternativeBrewing Team for sharing this video with us.
Another entertaining and informative vid from Alternative Brewing, marvellous. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
that price is unreal... unreal i tell you, no one should be grinding by hand at that price.
Oh, dear… and I thought you might be exaggerating, - you are not, I totally agree ;-)
BUT, if you happen to be rather rich and are some kind of Hipster outdoor guy, you might…
Or maybe they don’t want to wake up their whole house in the morning but still want a premium grind experience.
I loved watching you struggle with that last bean. I do the same thing on my 1ZPresso X-Pro S! Glad to know it's not just my grinder haha
Love it!! 😅
You seemed to cut the taste part.. what did you think overall?
Coffee Grinder Showdown: Comandante C60 Baracuda Vs Comandante C40 Mk4
ruclips.net/video/inKvHv2nQI0/видео.html
I really think they should've innovated with the adjustment mechanism. If they do release a motor attachment then I doubt anyone is going to want to use an internal mechanism. The Arco 2in1 would surely just be a better choice.
Compared to Kinu M47 classic, which one has better overall? (Espresso and filter coffee)
I am so confused which one should i buy, since both of these are very2 amazing grinder.
Both! Thats a tough split. I really like the grind adjustment on the Kinu. Yet comandante has such a unique profile that’s really enjoyable too. I’d go the Kinu over the Baracuda or get the Comandante C40 👍
Is it a joke? 500+ euros for a hand grinder... It doesn't even have external adjustments.
this is what's weird about it. the C60 has definitely a premium build quality about it, with a HEAVY outer shell and a great click adjustment (dropping it from 30 microns to 21 microns per click is great) but they literally ignored ALLLLL of the modern quality of life upgrades that people like 1zpresso, Timemore and various other mfgers have been implementing. still having a free floating burr without an attached axel is mind boggling, and ZERO numbered adjustment dial is just play mental. I get that Commandante feels that they're the OG and I genuinely like their build quality over most others, but this release seems tone deaf.
So the grind time has been cut in half with the C60?
How long does it take to grind for 20g drip coffee?
For Drip coffee - like 20 seconds max I would say. Really quick 👌
The little notches on the top are likely tooling locators to machine that giant chunk of steel.
Still like your channel very much, thank you !
I appreciate that! Thanks
is it really hard to grind with it (force needed)?
More forces needed then the C40 yes.
i ended up getting it the c40-i am happy with my purchase it is a great grinder.
okay, nice. 12 clicks per rotation. But: how many micron per click?
C40Mk4 has 30 micron per click (15 with RX35 installed).
Don't get the hype between either the c40 or c60
Got a 1zpresso q2 for traveling with the aeropress. 30clicks/rotation. 25micron/click
Can be bought for 95eur. Makes great aeropress, pourover, frenchpress and stil espresso capable
@@someguy9520 I actually used a 1Zpresso for a full year until its crank handle broke (in Nov. 2022), no replacement available. I don´t know why 1Zpresso doesnt offer replacement parts like Comandate does. Then I bought the C40Mk4.
for c60 i think it is 21 per click? or 20
@@someguy9520 I´m in Europe, Austria. Back then, a year ago, there was no info or replacement part available from 1Zpresso directly or a third party seller.
It is quite large yes - I’ve not discovered any information on this - but in my testing with the Omni Particle Size Reader, 3-4 clicks equals around 100-120 microns
I don't have much issue with internal adjustment, the catch cup need to be removed to get the ground coffee out anyway
to me not having the numbering to indicate the current grind setting is about the worst thing, and also the biggest let down of C60
I love my C40. But I can't find any excuses to pay x2-x2.5 from the original C40 price. That's nuts.
I'm quite bummed out by this grinder, many people say the taste\clarity only improves about 5-10% from the c40... really not enough for more than double the price. I'd get the Pietro instead, at least you can clearly taste a difference...
Yeah - there’s a difference. If I’m being honest- it’s not twice the price better flavour.
Got a c40 and i like it but to lazy to use it.
I like the big burrs on the c60
I love Comandante (i own one) but their prices are too high for most of the people maybe in 3-4 years i'll get a c60 lol....
then some anti-comandante 1zpresso fanboys will say "1Zpresso is better because is cheaper", but 1zpresso is also overprericed for what they offer (is just a regular grinder with normal steel burrs, with external adjustment)
I really hope this chanel and some other review KINGrinders, they are 100$ cheaper than 1zpresso, 16 micron adjustment and has the same burr that 1Z K and X series has 🤷
Let me kick in here to clarify some points. 1Zpresso is great for its engineering and innovation, not bc is cheaper. Happens that the guys in Taiwan are so good at innovating and providing the market with ultimate hand grinder performance that's also affordable. Comandante grinders are crazy expensive for what they offer and again comandante lovers jump to say that C40/C60 quality is unmatched.. I'm not the judge but just to remind you, most recent barista champions have used 1Zpresso grinders, for a reason. Just think about it for a second.
Regarding Kingrinders, while pretty similar to 1Zpresso grinders in .a y aspects, these two brands ain't at the same quality level right now. 1Z holds the edge and I've used both, comparing side by side.
1ZPresso will sell me an all-metal grinder with a visual, external grind adjustment system for significantly less than the C60. For significantly less I can also get the Mazzer Omega or Pietro flat burr hand grinder. I can almost get an 1ZPresso K-Max AND a Fiorenzato Pietro for the price of the C60 - it's a tough sell, I don't see why the C60 is so expensive.
And I heard that the 1Zpresso still has better flavours haha This is more of a luxury thing with almost nothing to add.
@@Raditram Luxury item with a plastic catch cup...
@@Raditram can confirm that the K-max and K-ultra produce what I would consider a better cup. more separation of flavors, slightly more crisp. the C40 (don't have the C60 yet) is more blended, and I genuinely reach for the K-ultra/Max more often than I do the C40 by far.
@@MikeEdwards-j9g K series beat C40/C60 anyday. And a couple weeks ago I finally received my ZP6 special which is leagues above in terms of clarity, separation and ultimate grind uniformity. I've compared side by side C40, C60, J & K series from 1Zpresso. K series beat Comandante grinders and still can definitely tell ZP6 SP beats them all, any day.
1ZPresso is designed in Taiwan and made in China while Comandante makes everything in Germany. The location of manufacturing alone will increase the price.
The C40 is well made and has a certain charm. I'll give credit where it's due - the heptagonal burr design changed the hand grinder game and many brands (and users) have benefited. The most common complaints I hear about the C40 in 2023 are that it's, slow, expensive, and uses an outdated adjustment mechanism.
The C60 costs twice as much as a C40, 3-4 times more than most 1ZP models, and the only meaningful improvement seems to be the speed (while giving up the "smooth" C40 grinding). This release seems to be completely tone deaf. I don't see many people buying this grinder.
It is true, but I don't think that's neccesarily a bad thing. Comandante grinders are like record players. There are more modern and efficient ways of listening to music, but the simplicity and analog feel of it keeps a lot of people attracted.
Same goes for the Comandante, they offer a feel and grind/build quality that's just not matched in the world of grinders. They offer limited edition colors and finishes, which is something a lot of people find desirable.
Yes, you could go with a 1Z, they are absolutely great value and great quality, possibly even better, but they don't give that same feel as a Comandante.
Great review! Excellent grinder but way too costly for a hand grinder. Close to double the price of C40. Thank you
You’re absolutely right about the price! 😆
$845cdn for a hand grinder? With all due respect, go fly a kite!
It's an impressive grinder BUT kind of overpriced I think
i'm indonesian, i get the comandante c60 a few months ago but think my ironhearts still better 😁
comandante - do better with a visual/external adjuster. for this price, this grinder makes no sense.
That's nice AD, but I'm not buying. Sold my c40 mk3 long time ago because wasn't happy about how poor they did some parts like: wood, plastic parts which got scratched just by looking on them. Then mk4 wood laminate was even bigger of a crap, and now this for 500+ eur, lol. Also that ping plastic jar, for 500eur+ 😆 because fanboy babies break glass, yeah yeah sure sure.
I'm not telling c40 was bad, but for it's price and this new meme I can buy better product from other company. Not going to tell which one, to prove my point it's not about shilling but to mark this is meme product for fanboys.
Joke price joke grinder joke brand
I am so disappointed that they still couldn’t produce enough stock to buy. Honestly, it has been a long time to wait for this grinder . Such a disappointment to the Comandante manufacturing
This grinder just seems like more of a “flex” to me. Way cheaper grinders can do a way better job fortunately. The Comandante cult following is dwindling ( this is how it comes across to me) but still enough they can create an expensive underwhelming grinder. Good job! Bravo! But it’s not to late for Comandante if they play there cards right. Otherwise over the next 10 years they will become like Blockbuster Video. I still want them to succeed, but they need to then create products that are actually relevant, like a pourover specific burr geometry with a better adjustment system, or espresso specific burrs. That would give them three critical grinders including the C40. If they really really wanted to capture the coffee connoisseur audience they would create a better flat bur like the Pietro but succeed in all the places they failed.
Tell him he's dreaming
😂 classic
I wonder how long it will take for 1zpresso to steal this design too.
😂😂 atleast it will be cheaper bhahaha
Maybe Comandante can steal 1Zpressos better adjustment system
Lmao they already have better stuff and are constantly winning world championships and aeropress competitions these days.
@@Raditram 1zpresso's best grinder line is a blatant ripoff of the c40 burr design. They're already in the court system over stealing their handle design.
blatant lmao cope harder@@bluemystic7501