As an American Jew, thank you so much for this episode. Having grown up in the 1950’s and 60’s, I thought the kind of Jew hatred that led to the Holocaust was a thing of the past, only to find out since October 7 that the long arc of Jewish history is coming for us again. When I was growing up my rabbi fought in the Israel’s War of Independence and had an Israeli wife. My current rabbi also has an Israeli wife. I had no idea that rabbis are turning away from Israel. I find that shocking and sad. Israel’s existence is essential to the continued survival and thriving of the Jewish people. I don’t know how any Jew doesn’t understand that. Maybe my generation hasn’t done a good enough job of educating our children about Jewish history. I will always be a staunch Zionist 💕🇮🇱
I am bothered by Daniel speaking for American Jewry. Something is wrong because he does not represent any of the American Jewish people I know. I am very disturbed by the things Daniel is saying. I reject his opinion entirely. I will always love and support you Eylon and appreciate your work. I am really disturbed at being so misrepresented by your guest. L'Chaim
I used to like Daniel Gordis…until I realized what he was all about. I was unable to watch the entire video as his drivel is very off-putting…although I really like and appreciate Eylon Levy.
Not all US universities had tentifadas and pro-Hamas rallies. The University of Miami received an A+ from JDL we had zero protests or unrest. We could serve as a model for the other universities moving forward-we are also a “woke” non-conservative university.
As an Israeli Jew I strongly disagree with you. Jews outside of the holy land need to understand that it is their very existence is in danger, not Israel. Sadly Most of them have already cast their lot.
@@MishMichaeli She might be referring to a different point. I think majority American Jews would completely disagree with this speaker about the first segment in which he discusses the election. He's an expert on rabbinics and an experienced educator. But he's not an expert on politics nor foreign affairs, and it shows. You may or may not be in agreement depending on which part they're referring to.
@@lauracoh4045 Laura, may I humbly ask what point(s) you disagreed? I am interested because after the podcast I, too, felt unsettled. I am a Jewish American and a Zionist.
The term "Leash" already is idiotic, Israel would have needed less than half the time if America would have provided the ground penetrating bombs it needed and would have allowed the civilian population to flee from the theatre of war like ANY OTHER civilians in ANY OTHER war where allowed and not strong armed Israel on keeping the civilians in the way of effective warefare.
❤❤❤❤ Absolutely correct!!!!! How Biden can claim he's a friend of Israel is beyond me. It's ludicrous considering how much he has hampered Israel's military. Biden-Obama's prolonging the war places IDF soldiers, the hostages in grave danger. Prolonging the war also further endangers the Arabs in Gaza living under the Hamas dictatorship. To make matters worse, the Biden-Obama administration is now trying to sanction common Israeli citizens who have committed no crimes. Obviously, not a friend of Israel under this administration. ❤️❤️🇺🇸🎗️🎗️🎗️🇮🇱💙🤍💙🇮🇱
FYI American Jewish Democrats are realizing antisemitism and many are recognizing that antizionism is antisemitism and we are forming groups to voice our support for Israel.
@bethcares17anonymous38 Most zionists are not Jewish. They are members of christian apocalyptic hate cults, such as CUFI, who believe that Jesus will kill all "unsaved" Jews.
@@svetlanachervonnaya7369 Most zios are not Jewish, they are members of christian apocalyptic cults such as CUFI who take Jewish supremacy to a truly bizarre level of madness.
yes…how can you with the crazy Squad going on the way they are! It should be insulting to all Jews.. not making their feelings felt and even if is tactical- vote for an independent if you can!
I fear that being an anti-Zionist Jew in the US today, in the hopes of being accepted in American society, is akin to being an Alfred Dreyfus in France in the 19th century or a Victor Klemperer in Germany in the Weimar Republic.
Agreed. Like the article published by anti-Zionist Germans stating that they reject the notion of Zionism in favor of their wish to be fully integrated into German society...just years before they were rounded up by the N@zis. Heartbreaking.
Liberals American Jews aren't anti Zionists because they want to be socially accepted. They are because they are indifferent to Israel existence and believe Judaism is just a cultural heritage all thanks to a century of equal rights & opportunities and for sure dozens of years of prosperity.
I’m an American Jew who grew up in NYC but not religious as the people in my community. I went to public school and learned quickly I wasn’t like everyone else. I tried to fit in but also didn’t forget the family who died in Europe and my family who escaped to Israel and of course the US. Today, I teach my kids to be proud of who they are as Jews, and never forget those in our family who died because they were Jews. If the Jews of today could learn and accept that, more people would realize how much we need a strong Israel because we only have each other, afterall.
I would like to see Eylon interview Rabbi YY Jacobson about American Orthodox Jews. It’s a totally different picture in every way than what Gordis is saying. We do know and love Ishay Ribo!!! Let’s have some balance in this American Jewish narrative
I couldn’t agree more. When it comes to Orthodox Judaism we carry exactly the things that make us unique. We know exactly how we differ from the other religions and sects of society. We carry every tradition that has held us for thousands of years. We are the nation that received the Torah and live by that mission daily. And like you said- we all know and love Ishay Ribo, and Eretz Yisrael. We are all deeply connected and all feel that is our home.
As a child of Holocaust survivors I was waiting for the litmus test for American Jews ' Tikkun Olam, roughly 18 minutes in. 4.000 years of Jewish history - Cantor Sholom Katz asked the Nazi commander to sing Kaddish for the Jews and himself while they were required to dig their own graves. In the eyes of evil Katz's Jewish voice touched the Nazi commander who then asked Katz to sing at their officers meeting that night. Everyone was killed and Sholom Katz was set free the next morning ( let escape). Rabbi Rachelle and her tambourine and Daniel Gordis do not exhibit the old worldly seeds of Jewish history that has been respected by Empires and leaders throught out our history. Ask the English and French Jews about the current safety in those two countries. Immigration does matter ask the Hindus in Indonesia.
Just to clarify, for people outside of America: this discussion is really only representative of more secular American Jews. For Orthodox Jews in America, we have a very distinct identity. Being Jewish and following our traditions and connection to God is integral to our identity. We care very deeply about our fellow Jews all over the world, including and especially Israel. We are inherently and historically tied to the land. The amount of initiatives, gatherings, and campaigns to support Israel every single time something happens there is astounding. We come together for each other and we have not lost our Jewish identity. We are acutely aware of antisemitism from the time we are small children. This conversation opened my eyes to a different segmant of the population that I have not been so exposed to and it honestly made me very sad. I think it would be helpful to have an episode with someone from the Orthodox or Modern Orthodox Jewish population in America to balance out the perspective.
Odd that you claim to care so much about other Jews, and then say you haven't been "so exposed" to secular Jews - who comprise 90% of Jews in your own country.
@@sheldonfreedman2607 I mean, I don't need to be exposed to them to care about them... They're my fellow Jews. There are many Secular Jews who never met an Orthodox or religious Jew as well. I'm curious why this seems to have offended you so much.
@@TeeDee12 That was a beautiful comment and I totally agree with you. In addition to the truth in your comment, you are so kind to the other person whose rhetoric appears to be hostile towards you. Lots of respect to you and wishing peace for Israel and all Jews. ❤️❤️🇺🇸🎗️🎗️🎗️🇮🇱💙🤍💙🇮🇱
Eylon, I admire how you stand up to counter-balance accusations against Netanyahu, even though Bibi has been such a pr1ck to you personally as well as how bad he is internally. You are such a stand up guy, how you focus on staying fair and true to the facts. I hope that soon Bibi will be gone and we Zionists won't have to stand up to defend the fair side of a generally terrible politician
I don't hope that Bibi will be gone; keeping up the Rafah assault in the face of World and Leftwing condemnation has been horrific for him personally. The only other leader I know of who has withstood such a barrage of hatred is Donald Trump. And those are the men who may save us.
@@desertari I think there is deserved credit to both of them on geopolitical actions. However, in both the way they managed geopolitical affairs and internal policies - I find them disastrous. That's my opinion and I don't intend to open it now because it's obviously a really big, complicated topic and not the point of this video.
@@edbar4097 A measure response to an immeasurable situation is not helpful Sometimes write a paper or open the matter with Eylon about what Trump and Bibi could have done better for Israel.
We also hope Bibi will go asap. Eylon Levy, was raised in the UK with their etiquette which Eylon certainly applies. The Torah contains a general injunction against Lashon Hara perhaps more so on a Public platforms. I also admire how he carries himself and immediately set to work on creating a productive and autonomous platform, giving so many really interesting and intelligent people an opportunity to share their stand. One doesn't have to agree with everything said,
Biden has been the most pro Zionist POTUS, you have ever had. He didn't provide Bibi's every whim, but he certainly supported us over and beyond. And has backed us to the nth degree.
Very sadly, Mr. Gordis does represent generations of Conservative and Reform rabbis that have led American Jewry for decades. He is far removed from Jewish principles and his type of leadership is why, after generations, most Jews in America consider themselves only culturally Jewish and have minimal connection to it. American Jewry is dying due to lack of interest and intermarriage. This is a rabbi who doesn't appear even to be wearing a yarmulke, with what is he Jewish? Why should a Jew feel close to Isreal if he or she is not close to Judaism? There is, however, one group of American Jews that are very close to Israel. They send their kids to Israel to learn and many couples make the decision to live in Israel. They are the Orthodox Jews and in the coming years they will constitute the majority of American Jewry and they, fortunately, are close to Israel and will advocate for Israel in the poliical realm as well as with funding. Am Yisrael chai!
I certainly see them through a much less judgemental lens these days. People who argue that first line of defence is akin to using civilians as human shields as per the Palestinian strategy are failing to distinguish armed aggression from armed defence.
The fundamental Jewish value for me, as an american-jew, other than my connection to Israel is tolerance of dissent. The tikkun olam stuff is important, but modern progressivism has become intolerant of dissent, or divergence from orthodoxy in a manner which to me is antithetical to Jewish values. Tolerance of dissent has been a jewish principle the key to our survival for 2000 years, non-proselytization. That's what should differentiate us from liberal protestantism, we may share certain values, but we do not use exlusion tactics or moral shaming to enforce them. What I see from progressivism, SJWs, cancel culture is essentially a morally puritan movement. We should demonstrate values positively by example rather than enforcing them upon the individual.
@@mirembewinfred5353 I lived in Israel for a year. I find the same is true of Israelis, even mores so. As a westerner, it was initially jarring to see how loudly and passionately Sabra's would discuss disagreements. At first it seems like they are angry to the western sensibility, until you realize that Israelis are just okay with having spirited disagreements without it becoming personal. At least that's how it seemed when I was there in 2009, I hope our toxic western style identity politics hasn't changed the way Israelis have discourse.
@@desertari Should be self-evident if you watched the video, the guest already made the point of why it's important to distinguish Jewish values and identity from liberal humanism. As to what tolerance of dissent brings to the table, well for one thig, it's a big part of what allowed Jews to survive 2000 years in diaspora.
@@BaphometicDescent Tolerance of dissent is not a fundamental Jewish value at all rather it is a survival mechanism by the weak amidst the strong. Justice is the fundamental value and the corollary is hearing everyone- but not permitting everything.
I tend to think of Israeli Jews as being Indigenous to Israel and Arab Muslims as being indigenous to Arabia. It's that simple and somewhat self-evident. We could get into a big discussion about what 'Indigenous' means and from a certain well-known perspective we would find that human beings, that is homo sapiens, are only indigenous to Africa. Putting that aside, if we look at the Middle East as a whole I think that we might find that both groups, both Jews and Muslims, are both equally "indigenous" to the Middle East. That being the case, that both groups are equally indigenous to the Middle East, shouldn't they "have to" share? Share the Middle East that is? Parts of the Middle East used to be called the Orient. Early Islamic art shows Muslims as looking very Oriental. Islam practiced African slavery for 1,400 years, taking twice as many female slaves as male. Perhaps that explains their appearance today. There are 27 Muslim-only, mostly good-sized, countries on the earth today, and 51 Muslim-majority countries. Why won't they and how can they justify not letting Israel have One country that is about the size of New Jersey?
I'm not Jew but I've been following what's been going on with Israel, and I support them. After watching this interview, I realized that not all Jews are united. What this guy said is shocking. It makes me lose hope in supporting Israel. 😔 However, I'm not looking forward to Islam gaining their dream of taking over the good people globally.
* As an update to my previous comment, Gordis’ comments later in the interview were much better. I still do not agree with all that he says. WHAT I WROTE EARLIER: This interview was very disappointing and this interview really changed my mind about him I, too, am an American (a Democrat until Obama became President - now Independent) and an Israeli, and I don’t agree with what he says.
Perhaps you're confused because you exist in an echo chamber. He seems more unconditionally pro-Israel than I am as a generally supportive US Jew. What did he say that was objectionable to you?
@@neological9 Perhaps YOU are confused, Neo, as you struggle to reconcile your address (USA) and leftwing, reform Judaism with reality. Easier to just pretend that's all is well with Israel and the World because it is well with you... so far.
@@desertari no amount of insulting a would-be ally changes the fact that Israel can't both have all the land and remain in (return to) good standing with the world, so those who agitate for that should stop. You may think me naive, I think you're a myopic nationalist lacking a sense of universal humanity 🤷♂️
I had to dislike this time, sorry . His opinion on biden being good as opposed to Trump is completely the opposite in my opinion. Bidens administration foreign policy is very poor and doesn’t understand the middle east. This Iran appeasement policy is extremely bad for Israel and the middle east. I think Eylon could have pushed him on that point a bit more.
Gordis has been harshly critical of American Jews who criticize Israeli government policies, sometimes publicly accusing them of either betraying Israel and the Jewish people (as in the case of Rabbi Sharon Brous[5]), having insufficient love for Israel (Rabbi Jill Jacobs[6]) or being a traitor to the Jewish people (Peter Beinart[7]). He has also extended this assessment to rabbinical seminaries and their students.[8
@@desertari I totally agree with you. I thought Daniel Gordis was quite moderate in his remarks. There are American Christians living in Israel and have a RUclips channel called The Israel Guys. They are much more pro Israel, Israel 'right' and Israel communities living in Judea and Sumaria. They are strongly opposed to any American rhetoric or politicians who oppose Israel. Daniel Gordis was definitely moderate compared to these Christians who support Israel.
Dr. Gordis you mixed up Northern Ireland and “the Troubles” with the Republican of Ireland that enjoyed some of the lowest levels of violence in Europe during the Troubles era. Northern Ireland is part of the UK.
I don’t like this guy at all. I stand with Bibi all the way. If Biden hadn’t given Iran all those billions, how would they have funded their proxies? Love you Eylon. I’d love your view on UK/Europe. God bless and keep you and Douglas. And another thing, I dislike your guest. Nothing useful to say in my humble opinion. Am Y’Israel chai ✡️🇮🇱✡️🙏👏🙌💐🇬🇧
I love this conversation. I have never felt that American Jews and Israelis are connected. I hope this is a time that Israeli and American Jews can rethink this. Where to start?🧐
I suspect that the lack of protest by Amer. Jews during WWII was due in large part to a lack of agency & fear of reprisal, rather than due to not caring.
I mostly agree with what was said here but I feel there is a misunderstanding of American Jews and the sociopolitical forces at work. Ideas of the Enlightenment are being challenged and that is challenging American Jews self-conception but also Jews in many other countries.
I can’t think of any other group, that does not feel connected to their country. Greeks, Italians, French, India. Etc. Jews do not. I don’t understand. Especially given our history. What to do?
Daniel Gordis’s accusation that a Rabbinical Assembly member accused Israel of genocide in a rabbinic forum is a complete misunderstanding on his part. As a scholar, Rabbi Gordis is normally a careful reader of texts. This time, somewhat understandably given the circumstances, he was less careful than usual. Excoriating a colleague for having written ‘We’re talking about genocide, people. GENOCIDE,’ Rabbi Gordis clearly understood those words as an accusation regarding Israel’s present war effort. In fact, though, the writer , in a closed forum for members, did not in any way accuse Israel of genocide. He criticized an article advocating a more bellicose approach that had posted by another colleague and said that the article’s view was tantamount to advocating genocide. The expression that drove Rabbi Gordis over the edge was not a criticism of Israeli actions at all, then, but an appeal to colleagues to distance themselves from a call to more aggressive action. What Rabbi Gordis labels an accusation of genocide was nothing of the sort.
Daniel: i am 64 years old, my grandma which came olso from Ucraine, used to take me to see plates at the entrance of housing compaunds in MIAMI which said: NO Blacks NO jews NO doggs .So obviously you grew up in a house hold that was NOT talking, i would never judge that beahviour, please read CHUTZPAH a book written by Allan Derschowitz many decades ago, where he describes US antisemitism at HARVARD in the 40"s. So Us jewery should not be so surprised right now, we have to learn our own history in order not to repeat it.
We can’t answer Gordis’ questions as to our place in history and what are story is now, as either American Jews or Israeli Jews until this chapter of our story is over.
GOD is unique in that HE does not put people in a pot, create stereotypes. Each person is unique and has a unique relationship with HIM and has a unique pathway to follow toward HIM,...or not ! But in HIS grace and love,...HE PURSUES each human being ANYWAY ! HOW GREAT IS OUR GOD, that HE lowers HIMSELF to reach out to us ! !
I'm struggling with Puritan identity what it means to be who I am and what I receive spiritual enrichment from. What have Puritans given the US and where do I stand in that history and present.
Kol hakavod to Eylon. It was clear from just looking at his face that he couldn't believe the misinformation that he was hearing. He managed to engage in conversation nevertheless.
I don’t think the majority of democratic Jews in the US will switch over and vote for the facist Trump. Why do you push this narrative Mr. Levy? I am. Zionist, lived in Haifa for 20 years, but would never ever vote in a facist regime. Not in the US and not in Israel. That’s what I love about Israel, the freedom to be who you are. I very much agree with your guest.
Elyon. Thank you so much for this episode. I subscribe to Daniel Gordis podcast. I have been struggling with this precise issue. Need to present the “American Jewish dilemma” to adults in my Jewish community. I hope people will participate.
What is the *Ruling(s) when the Enemies of the *Mind curse the *Jews ? Considering that throughout the *Hebrew Bible: According to the *Rabbinic sources, the term "idolatry" is referred to: - as "avodah zarah" which literally means : “foreign worship” or: "avodat kochavim" translating as : “worship of stars”. The term used to describe a "idol" is given a pejorative meaning and used, to describe for instance : non-*Israelite or non-*Jewish divinities: which are considered to be false or alien *gods. Such as those *gods of other Nations from whom the *Israelites are, commanded to separate themselves from in-order to live a righteous life. Since : the word "idolator" in Hebrew translates as : *A•kum: - abbreviated *ov•dey ko•cha•vim u•ma•za•lot. In a addition the common reference to *idol worshipers means: *Ko•cha•vim, which is best known as one of the recent *Hebrew Word(s), of the Day entries, referring to the *stars. And so, an *idolatrous person is named as an *idolater, based on the: practice of *worshipping 'idols' and so called idolatry (or idol worship). For example : *Idolatry is the worship of a 'cult image' or "idol" as: though it were a deity. In spite of latter 'Idolatry' was also reckoned as: *avodah zarah, and the *lit translation as : *foreign worship. Likewise, the term *Yirah, in Hebrew word translated into: *Awe' in the Bible is *Yirah (יראה) and is pronounced as : *Yir-ah: and directly translates into the English word *fear. For instance: this reference of *fear is associated with the: *fear of the Lord, also with-in the same context means the as: the (3) verbs as follows: 1. Respect, 2. Reverence, 3. Worship. Nevertheless, make no mistake about it, as the term *Yir-ah is strongly: - connected to the word referencing the term for 'trembling.' Keeping that aside, 'Idolatry' weather it is the worship of an idol or idols: -objects or images, such as: statues, (as the representations of deities): - or *gods. On the other hand in the Bible, an 'idol' is an image or a statue which is: - regarded as equal to or greater than *God. Depicted for example, in the Story of the *Golden Calf in the Book of: *Exodus. In which describes an incident with a *Golden cow statue: - as an idol. In contrast to the latter: *Story of Golden Calf. According to *Hindu Scripture(s) these *Divine traits are said to be, as of a blind binding to one's *Soul in the process of *Cycle of Birth & death. For instance: keeping one's *Soul confined in this material World in which, the word 'confines' in this context means of *Maya or Relative Existence. For example : in *Hindu Scripture(s) especially, the first *3 *Divine traits: - are said to pave the way towards hell. In addition to the first *2 which apparently bring about difficult experiences: one faces in one's lives. For instance : the *Kali Yuga Mantra, in *Hinduism, is the *Fourth, - shortest and probably the worst of the *4 *Yugas (World ages). Referencing the *Yuga Cycle, which precedes directly by *Dvapara Yuga: - and followed by the next Cycle's known as : *Krita (Satya) Yuga. To illustrate, the latter *Spiritual Enlightenment, it is often believed that: - to be in the present Age,. Era in which is full of *conflict and sin. Yet, in *Hindu Theology, the terms : *Arishadvarga or *Shadripu: Sanskrit: (षड्रिपु) meaning the *6 enemies which are in the *6 enemies: of the mind. Hence, each individual fights them and the longer will be the life of: Dharma in this *Yuga, one finds: *Nirvana (free from all desires) and so, the following Mantra: 1. *Lust or desire for sensual pleasure - काम - Kama. 2. *Anger - क्रोध - Krodha. 3. Greed - लोभ - Lobha. 4. Attachment - मोह - Moha. 5. Ego - मद - Mada. 5.1. False ego - Ahankar, (all actions in the World are for selfish ends). 6. Envy or Jealousy - मत्सर्य - Matsarya. 7. Laziness - Alasya. In summary in Hinduism, the fundamental tenets of *Kali Yuga: - the *7 traits are considered negative characteristic(s) which prevent: *Spiritual Enlightenment; meaning as human(s) from attaining *Moksha. ...
Rabbis in America don't want to talk about Israel. if they talk about Israel, then you get to talking Aliyah. If Americans move to Israel, then these rabbis don't have congregations and then they don't have jobs.
Please remind the US public about how US Jews have done so much to support the immigrants over decades…This should happen even if other religions are doing the same! The other religions especially Islamists (especially (Squad)are causing so much horror to US Jews..so they need support for what they have done even if it is in the past! This is matter of life and death! The oil that Medieval thinking rulerscountries have luckily
Since the History of International Law : *Capitulation as a *Series of Treaties. According to the term of *Capitulation, as a *Series of Treaties. Whereby One State, which is permitted by another to exercise extraterritorial: - jurisdiction over its own National(s) especially within the former State's: boundaries. Hence the term *capitulation, is to be distinguished and derives from: the Military term. Thus, meaning the following use of the word: *capitulation, implying an *agreement for surrender. For instance : the meaning of *capitulation in the British context. Reference : /kəˌpɪtʃuˈleɪʃn/ [countable, uncountable] capitulation: - (to somebody/something) is "the act of accepting" that one has, been defeated by an enemy/opponent. For example : the synonym interprets as : surrender: - (1) a humiliating/shameful capitulation. Furthermore : (5) more Synonyms for *capitulate: - (as follows) : 1. Defer, 2. Relent, 3. Submit, 4. Succumb, 5. and Yield. .. Foundational to this is an example of *capitulation. For instance : the 'verb' as follows : the 'terrorist(s)' are forced to *capitulate: - unconditionally. And so, the terrorist *capitulated to the organisation(s): to avoid a strike. Conventionally, the *Series of Treaties. *Capitulation(s) of : - the *Ottoman Empire. Given there were plenty of contracts between: the Ottoman Empire and several other Christian powers. To name a few in-particularly France. For example : the-Act-of-capitulation, aka : the-Act-of-surrendering/yielding. Term & condition(s) as the *capitulation of the defenders of the besieged: - a. town and b. the terms of surrender. However : the *Turkish capitulations, or also known as the *Ahidnâmes, were generally considered the 'bilateral act(s)'. Since, *Capitulation, in this context refers to the moment when the, people(s) gave up their belief that the system can be saved. And as: - a result abandon their hope for a better future. Based on the findings of from a psychological state/prepositive which: it can be argued that which often leads to the collapse of a society. Whereby, the latter suggests that the definite arrangement(s) were, - entered into by each contracting party towards the other, and was not mere concessions. For instance : if one *capitulates, then one stops resisting and does what: - someone else wants them to do. For example : the terrorist organisation eventually *capitulated and now: - grants equal rights to *hamas. For instance : given the impact(s) of the *Series of Treaties, the Ottoman: Empire underwent during the European industrialization. And so, in turn the *Capitulation(s) lead to European influence. Based on the ideas presented : *Capitulation is a period of prolonged: - price drops which causes *investor-in-terrorist-organisation(s) to sell: - their positions and accept the losses. Rather than see their assets: decrease further. Since, it may occur as the final stage of a bubble, when their family/ friends don't need them to do they 'dirty work' anymore and so, the inflated asset prices collapse. For example : the agreements gave France, and later other European: powers, the *Right to trade within the Ottoman Empire without paying, taxes and other economic concessions. Hence, a sort of pre-modern *free-trade agreement. Nevertheless *capitulation(s) ends. Given, the First Country to conclude the *Set-of-Treaties, which ended: the *capitulation(s) put on Japan in [1899]. Yet, it was not until [1943] that Great Britain & the United States: formally relinquished:their Right(s) in China. Then again, except for certain arrangements in *Muscat and Bahrain, the *capitulations ceased to exist.
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Dr Gordis talks without semikolon and . : mostly about himself and his personal views. Its not the fault of american jews that there is only Biden or Trump to "elect" - or is it? First Interview that was boring to me. Not one answer that hit the bell.
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Surely there are believing JEWS and non- believing JEWS and this centres around ones FAITH and RELATIONSHIP with GOD and a heart knowing belief that the TORAH IS the WORD OF GOD. ...and one should not be surprized that there are even RABBIS as their are christians and christian pastors and preachers, WHO DO NOT KNOW GOD IN THIS WAY........AND who do not HAVE A FAITH RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
Yes the Good Friday Belfast Agreement of 1998. Very difficult peace procsss and it took parties in N Ireland(Uk) politicians and leaders of both paramilitaries to want peace to come together with the British Government Tony Blair the Irish Government Rep of Ireland Bertie Ahearn and with the assistance of the Americian Government President Bill Clinton. And it invoved both sides in N Ireland in decommissioning their arms under the supervision of George Michell,US. I see very little similarity with Israel and the hostility of Hezbollah (Party of Allah) who are baed in Lebanon whoes goal is to destroy the Jewish state and Hamas (Islamic Resistance Movement) and Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Gaza who also want to destroy the Jewish state of Israel and replace with a Palestinian Islamic state and the West Bank ,(Judea and Samaria) and Gaza from.the ' river to the sea ' .
FYI- Eylon Levy, my children call you my boyfriend. Well, I call you my boyfriend. lol… I’ve learned from DNA results show that the Cherokee Native Americans, were, are Jewish! We all know the history of what happened to most of the Native American’s.
As an American Jew, thank you so much for this episode. Having grown up in the 1950’s and 60’s, I thought the kind of Jew hatred that led to the Holocaust was a thing of the past, only to find out since October 7 that the long arc of Jewish history is coming for us again. When I was growing up my rabbi fought in the Israel’s War of Independence and had an Israeli wife. My current rabbi also has an Israeli wife. I had no idea that rabbis are turning away from Israel. I find that shocking and sad. Israel’s existence is essential to the continued survival and thriving of the Jewish people. I don’t know how any Jew doesn’t understand that. Maybe my generation hasn’t done a good enough job of educating our children about Jewish history. I will always be a staunch Zionist 💕🇮🇱
He does not represent American Jews!!!
I feel for you. But please remember that you have the support of most of the UK especially me. I will always support my Lords people.
That was a beautiful comment!!!!!!! ❤️❤️🇺🇸🎗️🎗️🎗️🇮🇱💙🤍💙🇮🇱
I am bothered by Daniel speaking for American Jewry. Something is wrong because he does not represent any of the American Jewish people I know. I am very disturbed by the things Daniel is saying. I reject his opinion entirely. I will always love and support you Eylon and appreciate your work. I am really disturbed at being so misrepresented by your guest. L'Chaim
Thanks for saying this. 100% agreed. It’s Jewish American folks like this guy that are making life difficult for all of us Jews.
I used to like Daniel Gordis…until I realized what he was all about. I was unable to watch the entire video as his drivel is very off-putting…although I really like and appreciate Eylon Levy.
Please explain how you see it.
Totally agree!
I really hope the majority are like you !
Not all US universities had tentifadas and pro-Hamas rallies. The University of Miami received an A+ from JDL we had zero protests or unrest. We could serve as a model for the other universities moving forward-we are also a “woke” non-conservative university.
Absolutely ,Gov DeSantis would not allow it, and I am presuming JDL is Jewish Defense League who has zero tolerance for Pro Hamas riots . .
As an American Jew, I completely disagree with this guy!
As an Israeli Jew I strongly disagree with you. Jews outside of the holy land need to understand that it is their very existence is in danger, not Israel. Sadly Most of them have already cast their lot.
All American Jews have failed their ancestry seeking for acceptance from the world.
@@MishMichaeli She might be referring to a different point. I think majority American Jews would completely disagree with this speaker about the first segment in which he discusses the election. He's an expert on rabbinics and an experienced educator. But he's not an expert on politics nor foreign affairs, and it shows. You may or may not be in agreement depending on which part they're referring to.
@@lauracoh4045 Laura, may I humbly ask what point(s) you disagreed? I am interested because after the podcast I, too, felt unsettled. I am a Jewish American and a Zionist.
To which part?
Well, izlam has ventured to North America and with is comes misery to EVERYONE, not just Jews.
Amen.
The term "Leash" already is idiotic, Israel would have needed less than half the time if America would have provided the ground penetrating bombs it needed and would have allowed the civilian population to flee from the theatre of war like ANY OTHER civilians in ANY OTHER war where allowed and not strong armed Israel on keeping the civilians in the way of effective warefare.
❤❤❤❤ Absolutely correct!!!!! How Biden can claim he's a friend of Israel is beyond me. It's ludicrous considering how much he has hampered Israel's military. Biden-Obama's prolonging the war places IDF soldiers, the hostages in grave danger. Prolonging the war also further endangers the Arabs in Gaza living under the Hamas dictatorship. To make matters worse, the Biden-Obama administration is now trying to sanction common Israeli citizens who have committed no crimes. Obviously, not a friend of Israel under this administration. ❤️❤️🇺🇸🎗️🎗️🎗️🇮🇱💙🤍💙🇮🇱
FYI American Jewish Democrats are realizing antisemitism and many are recognizing that antizionism is antisemitism and we are forming groups to voice our support for Israel.
@bethcares17anonymous38 Most zionists are not Jewish. They are members of christian apocalyptic hate cults, such as CUFI, who believe that Jesus will kill all "unsaved" Jews.
At that please remember that Antizionism as a new incarnation of antisemitism was coined at the Soviet KGB.
But you will still vote Democrat
@@svetlanachervonnaya7369 Most zios are not Jewish, they are members of christian apocalyptic cults such as CUFI who take Jewish supremacy to a truly bizarre level of madness.
yes…how can you with the crazy Squad going on the way they are! It should be insulting to all Jews..
not making their feelings felt and even if is tactical- vote for an independent if you can!
I fear that being an anti-Zionist Jew in the US today, in the hopes of being accepted in American society, is akin to being an Alfred Dreyfus in France in the 19th century or a Victor Klemperer in Germany in the Weimar Republic.
appeasement never works with fascism.
Without Israel Jews will be much worse off around the world including the US.
Indeed. Siding with the loudest, most aggressive bullies is usually a mistake…
Agreed. Like the article published by anti-Zionist Germans stating that they reject the notion of Zionism in favor of their wish to be fully integrated into German society...just years before they were rounded up by the N@zis. Heartbreaking.
Liberals American Jews aren't anti Zionists because they want to be socially accepted. They are because they are indifferent to Israel existence and believe Judaism is just a cultural heritage all thanks to a century of equal rights & opportunities and for sure dozens of years of prosperity.
Thank you for the great discussion, we in Switzerland stand with Israel… ❤️🇮🇱🇨🇭❤️
I’m an American Jew who grew up in NYC but not religious as the people in my community. I went to public school and learned quickly I wasn’t like
everyone else. I tried to fit in but also didn’t forget the family who died in Europe and my family who escaped to Israel and of course the US. Today, I teach my kids to be proud of who they are as Jews, and never forget those in our family who died because they were Jews. If the Jews of today could learn and accept that, more people would realize how much we need a strong Israel because we only have each other, afterall.
I would like to see Eylon interview Rabbi YY Jacobson about American Orthodox Jews. It’s a totally different picture in every way than what Gordis is saying. We do know and love Ishay Ribo!!! Let’s have some balance in this American Jewish narrative
I couldn’t agree more. When it comes to Orthodox Judaism we carry exactly the things that make us unique. We know exactly how we differ from the other religions and sects of society. We carry every tradition that has held us for thousands of years. We are the nation that received the Torah and live by that mission daily. And like you said- we all know and love Ishay Ribo, and Eretz Yisrael. We are all deeply connected and all feel that is our home.
It is Biblical, the Jewish people will return to the land🇿🇦🇮🇱🇿🇦🇮🇱🇿🇦
For the algorithm, excellent guest!! ❤️❤️🇺🇸🎗️🎗️🎗️🇮🇱💙🤍💙🇮🇱
I am mid 30’s living in Canada. Me and all my Jewish friends stand firmly with Israel. I don’t know anyone who is Jewish and anti Zionist here 🇮🇱 🙏✡️
Trump 2024 the only hope for Israel!
@@henriettashenderey7096 Only hope for America. It’s sad to see her so weak.
And for america
As a child of Holocaust survivors I was waiting for the litmus test for American Jews ' Tikkun Olam, roughly 18 minutes in. 4.000 years of Jewish history - Cantor Sholom Katz asked the Nazi commander to sing Kaddish for the Jews and himself while they were required to dig their own graves. In the eyes of evil Katz's Jewish voice touched the Nazi commander who then asked Katz to sing at their officers meeting that night. Everyone was killed and Sholom Katz was set free the next morning ( let escape). Rabbi Rachelle and her tambourine and Daniel Gordis do not exhibit the old worldly seeds of Jewish history that has been respected by Empires and leaders throught out our history. Ask the English and French Jews about the current safety in those two countries. Immigration does matter ask the Hindus in Indonesia.
Just to clarify, for people outside of America: this discussion is really only representative of more secular American Jews. For Orthodox Jews in America, we have a very distinct identity. Being Jewish and following our traditions and connection to God is integral to our identity. We care very deeply about our fellow Jews all over the world, including and especially Israel. We are inherently and historically tied to the land. The amount of initiatives, gatherings, and campaigns to support Israel every single time something happens there is astounding. We come together for each other and we have not lost our Jewish identity. We are acutely aware of antisemitism from the time we are small children. This conversation opened my eyes to a different segmant of the population that I have not been so exposed to and it honestly made me very sad. I think it would be helpful to have an episode with someone from the Orthodox or Modern Orthodox Jewish population in America to balance out the perspective.
Odd that you claim to care so much about other Jews, and then say you haven't been "so exposed" to secular Jews - who comprise 90% of Jews in your own country.
@@sheldonfreedman2607 I mean, I don't need to be exposed to them to care about them... They're my fellow Jews. There are many Secular Jews who never met an Orthodox or religious Jew as well. I'm curious why this seems to have offended you so much.
@@TeeDee12 Quite right Sheldon.
@@TeeDee12 That was a beautiful comment and I totally agree with you. In addition to the truth in your comment, you are so kind to the other person whose rhetoric appears to be hostile towards you. Lots of respect to you and wishing peace for Israel and all Jews. ❤️❤️🇺🇸🎗️🎗️🎗️🇮🇱💙🤍💙🇮🇱
@@alyshatetens6672 Thank you for your kind comment! We do better when we're united. Am Yisroel Chai! 🎗🇮🇱💪
This guy is a lefty! Yuk
Eylon, I admire how you stand up to counter-balance accusations against Netanyahu, even though Bibi has been such a pr1ck to you personally as well as how bad he is internally.
You are such a stand up guy, how you focus on staying fair and true to the facts.
I hope that soon Bibi will be gone and we Zionists won't have to stand up to defend the fair side of a generally terrible politician
I don't hope that Bibi will be gone; keeping up the Rafah assault in the face of World and Leftwing condemnation has been horrific for him personally. The only other leader I know of who has withstood such a barrage of hatred is Donald Trump. And those are the men who may save us.
@@desertari I think there is deserved credit to both of them on geopolitical actions. However, in both the way they managed geopolitical affairs and internal policies - I find them disastrous. That's my opinion and I don't intend to open it now because it's obviously a really big, complicated topic and not the point of this video.
@@edbar4097 A measure response to an immeasurable situation is not helpful Sometimes write a paper or open the matter with Eylon about what Trump and Bibi could have done better for Israel.
@@edbar4097As an Israeli, I completely agree with you
We also hope Bibi will go asap. Eylon Levy, was raised in the UK with their etiquette which Eylon certainly applies. The Torah contains a general injunction against Lashon Hara perhaps more so on a Public platforms. I also admire how he carries himself and immediately set to work on creating a productive and autonomous platform, giving so many really interesting and intelligent people an opportunity to share their stand. One doesn't have to agree with everything said,
THIS GUY, WHOSE 2 BOOKS I HAD READ SOME YEARS AGO, OUGHT TO HAVE HIS MIND EXAMINED. HE TALKS FANTASY. INCREDIBLE!!!
UCLA poached our president at UM to serve as their Chancellor because he navigated this dark chapter with so much skill. On campus leadership is key.
You think Biden is for you? I think not. From all I hear from Biden I think you are deceived.
Biden has been the most pro Zionist POTUS, you have ever had. He didn't provide Bibi's every whim, but he certainly supported us over and beyond. And has backed us to the nth degree.
I am sorry but I do not believe what he thinks of Biden and Netanyahu
Why be sorry? Gordis is a longtime Leftist. They do not change.
Thank you. In a million years I won’t understand why Jewish diaspora some can go against Israel, bizarre. I’m not Jewish.
Very sadly, Mr. Gordis does represent generations of Conservative and Reform rabbis that have led American Jewry for decades. He is far removed from Jewish principles and his type of leadership is why, after generations, most Jews in America consider themselves only culturally Jewish and have minimal connection to it. American Jewry is dying due to lack of interest and intermarriage. This is a rabbi who doesn't appear even to be wearing a yarmulke, with what is he Jewish? Why should a Jew feel close to Isreal if he or she is not close to Judaism? There is, however, one group of American Jews that are very close to Israel. They send their kids to Israel to learn and many couples make the decision to live in Israel. They are the Orthodox Jews and in the coming years they will constitute the majority of American Jewry and they, fortunately, are close to Israel and will advocate for Israel in the poliical realm as well as with funding. Am Yisrael chai!
He wears a small one, not seen from this angle.
At that time, polls 1:02:32 showed Netanyahu 72% lead, thus, re-elected.
As per basic democratic principles.
He does not like Ben and Smotrich and those are the two we need now more than ever
Who "we" - these guys are part of the problem.
@@svetlanachervonnaya7369Sorry, but you are delusional? They are real patriots!
I certainly see them through a much less judgemental lens these days. People who argue that first line of defence is akin to using civilians as human shields as per the Palestinian strategy are failing to distinguish armed aggression from armed defence.
This guy is the blatant agitator and liar.
The fundamental Jewish value for me, as an american-jew, other than my connection to Israel is tolerance of dissent. The tikkun olam stuff is important, but modern progressivism has become intolerant of dissent, or divergence from orthodoxy in a manner which to me is antithetical to Jewish values. Tolerance of dissent has been a jewish principle the key to our survival for 2000 years, non-proselytization. That's what should differentiate us from liberal protestantism, we may share certain values, but we do not use exlusion tactics or moral shaming to enforce them. What I see from progressivism, SJWs, cancel culture is essentially a morally puritan movement. We should demonstrate values positively by example rather than enforcing them upon the individual.
Because your living in America safely .
Sorry- where is the point?
@@mirembewinfred5353 I lived in Israel for a year. I find the same is true of Israelis, even mores so. As a westerner, it was initially jarring to see how loudly and passionately Sabra's would discuss disagreements. At first it seems like they are angry to the western sensibility, until you realize that Israelis are just okay with having spirited disagreements without it becoming personal. At least that's how it seemed when I was there in 2009, I hope our toxic western style identity politics hasn't changed the way Israelis have discourse.
@@desertari Should be self-evident if you watched the video, the guest already made the point of why it's important to distinguish Jewish values and identity from liberal humanism. As to what tolerance of dissent brings to the table, well for one thig, it's a big part of what allowed Jews to survive 2000 years in diaspora.
@@BaphometicDescent Tolerance of dissent is not a fundamental Jewish value at all rather it is a survival mechanism by the weak amidst the strong. Justice is the fundamental value and the corollary is hearing everyone- but not permitting everything.
I really don’t appreciate the complete dismissal of trumps pro Israel record
Yes, that was pretty slick and shady.
@@desertari Makes us look bad, listen i get the guy doesnt like trump but you have to be honest
God bless Israel 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
JVP is a Hamas front; it's not Jewish, the fact that it has Jewish members notwithstanding.
I tend to think of Israeli Jews as being Indigenous to Israel and Arab Muslims as being indigenous to Arabia. It's that simple and somewhat self-evident. We could get into a big discussion about what 'Indigenous' means and from a certain well-known perspective we would find that human beings, that is homo sapiens, are only indigenous to Africa.
Putting that aside, if we look at the Middle East as a whole I think that we might find that both groups, both Jews and Muslims, are both equally "indigenous" to the Middle East. That being the case, that both groups are equally indigenous to the Middle East, shouldn't they "have to" share? Share the Middle East that is?
Parts of the Middle East used to be called the Orient. Early Islamic art shows Muslims as looking very Oriental. Islam practiced African slavery for 1,400 years, taking twice as many female slaves as male. Perhaps that explains their appearance today.
There are 27 Muslim-only, mostly good-sized, countries on the earth today, and 51 Muslim-majority countries. Why won't they and how can they justify not letting Israel have One country that is about the size of New Jersey?
I'm not Jew but I've been following what's been going on with Israel, and I support them. After watching this interview, I realized that not all Jews are united. What this guy said is shocking. It makes me lose hope in supporting Israel. 😔 However, I'm not looking forward to Islam gaining their dream of taking over the good people globally.
This "not want to be" Jew does not represent American Jews!! Rabbi is a word only...
Paulina- please don't lost hope and faith in Israel. We need our friends now.
* As an update to my previous comment, Gordis’ comments later in the interview were much better. I still do not agree with all that he says. WHAT I WROTE EARLIER: This interview was very disappointing and this interview really changed my mind about him I, too, am an American (a Democrat until Obama became President - now Independent) and an Israeli, and I don’t agree with what he says.
I did not like Gordis talk; he confused me. Whether his for Israel or not ..🇦🇺🤔🤔
He's a long time Ani-Zionist and I believe working for the left.
Like most Leftists, he "speaks with forked tongue".
Perhaps you're confused because you exist in an echo chamber. He seems more unconditionally pro-Israel than I am as a generally supportive US Jew. What did he say that was objectionable to you?
@@neological9 Perhaps YOU are confused, Neo, as you struggle to reconcile your address (USA) and leftwing, reform Judaism with reality. Easier to just pretend that's all is well with Israel and the World because it is well with you... so far.
@@desertari no amount of insulting a would-be ally changes the fact that Israel can't both have all the land and remain in (return to) good standing with the world, so those who agitate for that should stop. You may think me naive, I think you're a myopic nationalist lacking a sense of universal humanity 🤷♂️
Speaker is practicing the ancient art of Bullshido. He definitely does not represent me as an American Jew.
Israel was in the area over 2000 years before Islam existed.
I had to dislike this time, sorry . His opinion on biden being good as opposed to Trump is completely the opposite in my opinion. Bidens administration foreign policy is very poor and doesn’t understand the middle east. This Iran appeasement policy is extremely bad for Israel and the middle east. I think Eylon could have pushed him on that point a bit more.
Gordis has been harshly critical of American Jews who criticize Israeli government policies, sometimes publicly accusing them of either betraying Israel and the Jewish people (as in the case of Rabbi Sharon Brous[5]), having insufficient love for Israel (Rabbi Jill Jacobs[6]) or being a traitor to the Jewish people (Peter Beinart[7]). He has also extended this assessment to rabbinical seminaries and their students.[8
Which criticism they deserve.
@desertari
If the US rabbis chose to love or hate Israel its their choice. Why should he get upset.
@@everythingandmore5537 No one is depriving anyone of a choice but in a discussion of this type, the aim is to critique- or to defend.
@@desertari I totally agree with you. I thought Daniel Gordis was quite moderate in his remarks. There are American Christians living in Israel and have a RUclips channel called The Israel Guys. They are much more pro Israel, Israel 'right' and Israel communities living in Judea and Sumaria. They are strongly opposed to any American rhetoric or politicians who oppose Israel. Daniel Gordis was definitely moderate compared to these Christians who support Israel.
Dr. Gordis you mixed up Northern Ireland and “the Troubles” with the Republican of Ireland that enjoyed some of the lowest levels of violence in Europe during the Troubles era. Northern Ireland is part of the UK.
Get out and demonstrate in support of Israel.
This dude is bizarre
Just realized he is a reform reform Jew. Tell him to convert...
Its always good to hear Daniel Gordis. Thank you.❤❤❤❤
Not this time.
Again, very interesting. Thank you
It's not history. It's God.
I don’t like this guy at all. I stand with Bibi all the way. If Biden hadn’t given Iran all those billions, how would they have funded their proxies? Love you Eylon. I’d love your view on UK/Europe. God bless and keep you and Douglas. And another thing, I dislike your guest. Nothing useful to say in my humble opinion. Am Y’Israel chai ✡️🇮🇱✡️🙏👏🙌💐🇬🇧
I love this conversation.
I have never felt that American Jews and Israelis are connected. I hope this is a time that Israeli and American Jews can rethink this.
Where to start?🧐
I suspect that the lack of protest by Amer. Jews during WWII was due in large part to a lack of agency & fear of reprisal, rather than due to not caring.
Unfortunately, the new generation of Jews are becoming antizionist every day.😢
Only in the us
The rest of the world jewry inside and outside Israel are very pro Zionism
I remember when Dan Gordis talked at TIC white plains back in 2012. I thought he was an alarmist and FOS. Now he looks like Nostradamus
I mostly agree with what was said here but I feel there is a misunderstanding of American Jews and the sociopolitical forces at work. Ideas of the Enlightenment are being challenged and that is challenging American Jews self-conception but also Jews in many other countries.
Said by whom? Which enlightenment ideas are being challenged?
My Native American people and our Jewish people...tikkun olam. Stay in balance with nature and heal it.
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I can’t think of any other group, that does not feel connected to their country. Greeks, Italians, French, India. Etc.
Jews do not. I don’t understand. Especially given our history. What to do?
Daniel Gordis’s accusation that a Rabbinical Assembly member accused Israel of genocide in a rabbinic forum is a complete misunderstanding on his part. As a scholar, Rabbi Gordis is normally a careful reader of texts. This time, somewhat understandably given the circumstances, he was less careful than usual. Excoriating a colleague for having written ‘We’re talking about genocide, people. GENOCIDE,’ Rabbi Gordis clearly understood those words as an accusation regarding Israel’s present war effort. In fact, though, the writer , in a closed forum for members, did not in any way accuse Israel of genocide. He criticized an article advocating a more bellicose approach that had posted by another colleague and said that the article’s view was tantamount to advocating genocide. The expression that drove Rabbi Gordis over the edge was not a criticism of Israeli actions at all, then, but an appeal to colleagues to distance themselves from a call to more aggressive action. What Rabbi Gordis labels an accusation of genocide was nothing of the sort.
Didn't know the palestinian movement was funded by Iran and Qatar
Not only them ,many moslem countries and Qatar is keeping the hostages 😂
He is so right!
Excellent discussion thank you!!!
Daniel: i am 64 years old, my grandma which came olso from Ucraine, used to take me to see plates at the entrance of housing compaunds in MIAMI which said: NO Blacks NO jews NO doggs .So obviously you grew up in a house hold that was NOT talking, i would never judge that beahviour, please read CHUTZPAH a book written by Allan Derschowitz many decades ago, where he describes US antisemitism at HARVARD in the 40"s. So Us jewery should not be so surprised right now, we have to learn our own history in order not to repeat it.
Can t listen to any more….
Please interview Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro for a completely different perspective that actually makes sense.
Jewish community have to build relationships with other communities to break the myth. I know it’s hard but we have to look for allies.
We can’t answer Gordis’ questions as to our place in history and what are story is now, as either American Jews or Israeli Jews until this chapter of our story is over.
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@@desertari Exactly!!!!!!!! BTW, I've read all your comments. You're fantastic and I laughed hysterically at both your question mark comments. ❤
GOD is unique in that HE does not put people in a pot, create stereotypes. Each person is unique and has a unique relationship with HIM and has a unique pathway to follow toward HIM,...or not ! But in HIS grace and love,...HE PURSUES each human being ANYWAY ! HOW GREAT IS OUR GOD, that HE lowers HIMSELF to reach out to us ! !
Vert left leaning guest.
What if ....what if those American jew rabbis are sent from America, where can they go?
Quite so.
This one send to Iran...
Trump for President
I'm struggling with Puritan identity what it means to be who I am and what I receive spiritual enrichment from. What have Puritans given the US and where do I stand in that history and present.
Kol hakavod to Eylon. It was clear from just looking at his face that he couldn't believe the misinformation that he was hearing. He managed to engage in conversation nevertheless.
YOU VE SHOWN YOUR COLOURS
So don't be discouraged guys, we all have set times and circumstances as do your JEWISH BRETHREN ! !
Very informative. Thank you.
It was horrible to be "othered". We are no longer outside of history. Thank you, Daniel Gordis. You are brilliant.
Earth to Shaina- we ARE other.
This is difficult to listen. 8:45
I don’t think the majority of democratic Jews in the US will switch over and vote for the facist Trump. Why do you push this narrative Mr. Levy? I am. Zionist, lived in Haifa for 20 years, but would never ever vote in a facist regime. Not in the US and not in Israel. That’s what I love about Israel, the freedom to be who you are. I very much agree with your guest.
couldn't disagree more
Who is this rando? The amount of lies in the first 10 minutes... I couldn't watch the whole thing.
Thanks for introducing me to the word, "rando". 😄
Why the Americans have always such bed taste for ties ?
🤣 Thank you, Roni- we needed that !
Elyon. Thank you so much for this episode. I subscribe to Daniel Gordis podcast.
I have been struggling with this precise issue.
Need to present the “American Jewish dilemma” to adults in my Jewish community.
I hope people will participate.
I recommend unsubscribing unless you want to hear pro-Dem, anti-Israel propaganda.
So f*cking depressing 😢
Interesting discussion which left me with much food for thoughts...
Left me with indigestion.
What is the *Ruling(s) when the Enemies of the *Mind curse the *Jews ?
Considering that throughout the *Hebrew Bible:
According to the *Rabbinic sources, the term "idolatry" is referred to:
- as "avodah zarah" which literally means : “foreign worship” or:
"avodat kochavim" translating as : “worship of stars”.
The term used to describe a "idol" is given a pejorative meaning and used,
to describe for instance : non-*Israelite or non-*Jewish divinities:
which are considered to be false or alien *gods.
Such as those *gods of other Nations from whom the *Israelites are,
commanded to separate themselves from in-order to live a righteous life.
Since : the word "idolator" in Hebrew translates as : *A•kum:
- abbreviated *ov•dey ko•cha•vim u•ma•za•lot.
In a addition the common reference to *idol worshipers means:
*Ko•cha•vim, which is best known as one of the recent *Hebrew Word(s),
of the Day entries, referring to the *stars.
And so, an *idolatrous person is named as an *idolater, based on the:
practice of *worshipping 'idols' and so called idolatry (or idol worship).
For example : *Idolatry is the worship of a 'cult image' or "idol" as:
though it were a deity. In spite of latter 'Idolatry' was also reckoned as:
*avodah zarah, and the *lit translation as : *foreign worship.
Likewise, the term *Yirah, in Hebrew word translated into:
*Awe' in the Bible is *Yirah (יראה) and is pronounced as : *Yir-ah:
and directly translates into the English word *fear.
For instance: this reference of *fear is associated with the:
*fear of the Lord, also with-in the same context means the as:
the (3) verbs as follows:
1. Respect,
2. Reverence,
3. Worship.
Nevertheless, make no mistake about it, as the term *Yir-ah is strongly:
- connected to the word referencing the term for 'trembling.'
Keeping that aside, 'Idolatry' weather it is the worship of an idol or idols:
-objects or images, such as: statues, (as the representations of deities):
- or *gods.
On the other hand in the Bible, an 'idol' is an image or a statue which is:
- regarded as equal to or greater than *God.
Depicted for example, in the Story of the *Golden Calf in the Book of:
*Exodus. In which describes an incident with a *Golden cow statue:
- as an idol.
In contrast to the latter: *Story of Golden Calf.
According to *Hindu Scripture(s) these *Divine traits are said to be,
as of a blind binding to one's *Soul in the process of *Cycle of Birth & death.
For instance: keeping one's *Soul confined in this material World in which,
the word 'confines' in this context means of *Maya or Relative Existence.
For example : in *Hindu Scripture(s) especially, the first *3 *Divine traits:
- are said to pave the way towards hell.
In addition to the first *2 which apparently bring about difficult experiences:
one faces in one's lives.
For instance : the *Kali Yuga Mantra, in *Hinduism, is the *Fourth,
- shortest and probably the worst of the *4 *Yugas (World ages).
Referencing the *Yuga Cycle, which precedes directly by *Dvapara Yuga:
- and followed by the next Cycle's known as : *Krita (Satya) Yuga.
To illustrate, the latter *Spiritual Enlightenment, it is often believed that:
- to be in the present Age,. Era in which is full of *conflict and sin.
Yet, in *Hindu Theology, the terms : *Arishadvarga or *Shadripu:
Sanskrit: (षड्रिपु) meaning the *6 enemies which are in the *6 enemies:
of the mind.
Hence, each individual fights them and the longer will be the life of:
Dharma in this *Yuga, one finds:
*Nirvana (free from all desires) and so, the following Mantra:
1. *Lust or desire for sensual pleasure - काम - Kama.
2. *Anger - क्रोध - Krodha.
3. Greed - लोभ - Lobha.
4. Attachment - मोह - Moha.
5. Ego - मद - Mada.
5.1. False ego - Ahankar,
(all actions in the World are for selfish ends).
6. Envy or Jealousy - मत्सर्य - Matsarya.
7. Laziness - Alasya.
In summary in Hinduism, the fundamental tenets of *Kali Yuga:
- the *7 traits are considered negative characteristic(s) which prevent:
*Spiritual Enlightenment; meaning as human(s) from attaining *Moksha.
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Rabbis in America don't want to talk about Israel. if they talk about Israel, then you get to talking Aliyah. If Americans move to Israel, then these rabbis don't have congregations and then they don't have jobs.
😄 Now that''s a different perspective !
As a Zionist
I don't think it's a good idea for American Jews to move to Israel
We need both Israel and a strong diaspora
@@yssss-q9i 100 % !
Please remind the US public about how US Jews have done so much to support the immigrants over
decades…This should happen even if other religions are doing the same! The other religions especially
Islamists (especially (Squad)are causing so much horror to US Jews..so they need support for what they have done even if it is in the past! This is matter of life and death! The oil that Medieval thinking rulerscountries have luckily
accumulated holds the west to ransom to not play fair with Israel!
I can’t even finish watching this. I just do not relate to this guys interpretation of current politics. Particularly our presidency.
Since the History of International Law : *Capitulation as a *Series of Treaties.
According to the term of *Capitulation, as a *Series of Treaties.
Whereby One State, which is permitted by another to exercise extraterritorial:
- jurisdiction over its own National(s) especially within the former State's:
boundaries.
Hence the term *capitulation, is to be distinguished and derives from:
the Military term. Thus, meaning the following use of the word:
*capitulation, implying an *agreement for surrender.
For instance : the meaning of *capitulation in the British context.
Reference : /kəˌpɪtʃuˈleɪʃn/ [countable, uncountable] capitulation:
- (to somebody/something) is "the act of accepting" that one has,
been defeated by an enemy/opponent.
For example : the synonym interprets as : surrender:
- (1) a humiliating/shameful capitulation.
Furthermore : (5) more Synonyms for *capitulate:
- (as follows) :
1. Defer,
2. Relent,
3. Submit,
4. Succumb,
5. and Yield.
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Foundational to this is an example of *capitulation.
For instance : the 'verb' as follows : the 'terrorist(s)' are forced to *capitulate:
- unconditionally. And so, the terrorist *capitulated to the organisation(s):
to avoid a strike.
Conventionally, the *Series of Treaties. *Capitulation(s) of :
- the *Ottoman Empire. Given there were plenty of contracts between:
the Ottoman Empire and several other Christian powers.
To name a few in-particularly France.
For example : the-Act-of-capitulation, aka : the-Act-of-surrendering/yielding.
Term & condition(s) as the *capitulation of the defenders of the besieged:
- a. town and b. the terms of surrender.
However : the *Turkish capitulations, or also known as the *Ahidnâmes,
were generally considered the 'bilateral act(s)'.
Since, *Capitulation, in this context refers to the moment when the,
people(s) gave up their belief that the system can be saved. And as:
- a result abandon their hope for a better future.
Based on the findings of from a psychological state/prepositive which:
it can be argued that which often leads to the collapse of a society.
Whereby, the latter suggests that the definite arrangement(s) were,
- entered into by each contracting party towards the other,
and was not mere concessions.
For instance : if one *capitulates, then one stops resisting and does what:
- someone else wants them to do.
For example : the terrorist organisation eventually *capitulated and now:
- grants equal rights to *hamas.
For instance : given the impact(s) of the *Series of Treaties, the Ottoman:
Empire underwent during the European industrialization.
And so, in turn the *Capitulation(s) lead to European influence.
Based on the ideas presented : *Capitulation is a period of prolonged:
- price drops which causes *investor-in-terrorist-organisation(s) to sell:
- their positions and accept the losses. Rather than see their assets:
decrease further.
Since, it may occur as the final stage of a bubble, when their family/
friends don't need them to do they 'dirty work' anymore and so,
the inflated asset prices collapse.
For example : the agreements gave France, and later other European:
powers, the *Right to trade within the Ottoman Empire without paying,
taxes and other economic concessions.
Hence, a sort of pre-modern *free-trade agreement.
Nevertheless *capitulation(s) ends.
Given, the First Country to conclude the *Set-of-Treaties, which ended:
the *capitulation(s) put on Japan in [1899].
Yet, it was not until [1943] that Great Britain & the United States:
formally relinquished:their Right(s) in China.
Then again, except for certain arrangements in *Muscat and Bahrain,
the *capitulations ceased to exist.
Hi Eylon, how's the economy going? Peachy.
The Ottoman's *Arab(s) were *not a part of the Nationalism Movement:
- since they failed to industrialize.
And so, as a result the capitulation and collapse of the 'Ottoman Empire':
- since they surrendered in WW1.
While this is the case, given a number of reason(s) but the main one being:
- such as the lack of money which in turn prevented the 'Ottoman State'.
Specifically not been able to *in-completing the necessary reforms and:
thus not a part of the industrialization era *the Nationalism Movement:
Complementary to this is the reputation of: rising Nationalism, located in:
the outer territories of the Empire.
Likewise, especially in the Eastern Region of the European Christian areas,
- who in effect rejected the following to tribes. Namely, the Turkic:
& the Islamic character of the modern Ottoman State.
For example : the modern Ottoman State & their Allies known as :
*Armistice of Mudros | Ottoman Empire, during World War [I].
Reference Date : on October [30] [1918] when a *Pact signed at:
- the port of *Mudros, on the *Aegean Island of Lemnos.
In brief referenced above this *Pact signed between both the:
Ottoman Empire & Great Britain ( which at the time represented:
- the Allied powers) marked a very important time in History.
Given the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War [I]:
- estimated with-in the timeframe [1914-18] Years.
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And yet, the term *capitulation, refers to the legal position of foreigners:
- in the Ottoman Empire.
For instance : this legal position of *capitulation, is set and regulated by:
- a *Series of Treaties (also some customary rules). Which in-effect gave:
- *foreign citizens special privileges.
These privileges include the (3): as follows :
1. Right to Worship,
2. Special Tax status,
3. Exemption from the Jurisdiction of the local Courts.
Nevertheless. UK aka : Britain wanted control over the Ottoman Empire:
Alongside : the *Armistice of Mudros | Ottoman Empire,
during World War [I].
Encapsulated with-in the (2) areas as follows.
1. Great Britain wanted control over what is now Palestine,
- (some have argued due to its) in and in close range approximating:
- to the *Suez Canal in Egypt.
2. Britain, also viewed the *Middle East as an extension of their:
- already existing Colonial Empire.
Yet, the term 'Capitulation' is neither good nor bad, and when implemented:
in the appropriate context it can be seen as profitable depending on an:
- *investor's position.
For instance : these *Investors have a long position standing to profit:
- during a 'bullish capitulation' as short sellers close out their positions.
And so, derived from : Latin *Capitulation' / capitulum, is a translated as:
- a little head or division; known as : 'capitulare; (by which means to treat:
- upon terms).
Thus, the term *Capitulation' in many respect applies to an *Agreement:
- in time of War for the surrender to a *hostile armed:
Notwithstanding, a force of a particular body of *Troops, (even leaving):
a town or a territory.
Equally important. the capitulations of a *Series of Treaties, which were:
- initially made during the *Ottoman Empire's Military dominance.
Only, to entice and encourage commercial exchange with Western merchants.
Moreover, after the *Military dominance shifted to Europe, (the situation:
- became apparent) as significant Economic and Political advantages:
were granted to the European powers by the Ottoman Empire.
Since , the Capitulations a *Series of Treaties, were set in the Ancient:
- practices of the Byzantine Empire, who were hoping to grant wide-ranging:
- customs and trade advantages to foreign powers.
Furthermore : as well as the right to Establish trading posts on its territory.
For example :as was the case for Genoa and Venice.
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Dr Gordis talks without semikolon and . : mostly about himself and his personal views.
Its not the fault of american jews that there is only Biden or Trump to "elect" - or is it? First Interview that was boring to me. Not one answer that hit the bell.
How disappointing. Can I get a refund
The Efficacy of *Divine illumination:
Reference : Palestine Under the British Mandate [1920]-[1948]:
- Hence : the whole Region was known as Palestine.
Nevertheless the key aspect in the *Psychology of Lighting.
Since : the fact known as *Colored light which can also have:
- a significant psychological impact on one's being.
Emphasised in the fact as the *Brilliant Light-Ideology:
- such as: reference : *Blue Light Therapy:
Where studies have shown that an increase alertness and,
improved focus when one under-went treatment.
And so, *Blue Light Therapy, has been rated for been an ideal:
- choice for workspaces.
However In contrast, *warm-toned lights are said to be ideal therapy:
- for creating a calm and relaxing environment.
Such as : scene(s) of *warm-toned lights, where it sets a perfect:
- ambiance for bedrooms and front rooms.
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In the same way : *Palestine in the Bible.
But, the name *Palestine, was familiar to their Ancient neighbours:
- in Egypt: as the *Egyptian as 'Purusati' and in *Assyrian as 'Palastu'.
Furthermore : *Palestine: in the *Hebrew Bible as 'Peleshet':
Reference : Exodus [14:14] & Isaiah [14:29], [31] & Joel [3:4].
To add to this in the English Authorized version, *Palestine as :
'Peleshet' is rendered as : 'Palestina' or in *Joel only, Palestine.
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Just as important is when the *Jewish people left Palestine.
Given the *social and economic discrimination and the implications:
- it caused as significant number of the *Jewish Emigration from:
- Palestine, cease to have existed then.
Equally important is the *Muslim Civil Wars in the [8]th & [9]th Centuries.
Since: many Jewish people had to leave their homes the Country.
Another instance: by the end of the [11]th Century as the *Jewish:
- population of Palestine had declined substantially.
To elaborate further and to set some sort of boundary on the *mental-mode:
aspects such as : *Brilliant-Blue-Light concept as: *Divine illumination.
Given : according to *Divine illumination, ( which is a process known):
as : of *Human thought needs to be Aided by *Divine Grace.
Yet, the oldest and most influential alternative to *Naturalism in:
-the theory of mind and epistemology.
For example : the basic concept of *Illumination.
As Illumination: is when the light falls upon any particular surface,
and so, the phenomenon is called the *illumination.
Subsequently, defined as the *number of Lumens, falling on:
- the surface, per unit area. And is denoted by *Symbol [E].
Given the *Efficacy is measured in *Lumens per square meter:
- or meter-candle or lux.
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weapons on stock,.. bc it hasn’t got started not really not all the way -
Surely there are believing JEWS and non- believing JEWS and this centres around ones FAITH and RELATIONSHIP with GOD and a heart knowing belief that the TORAH IS the WORD OF GOD. ...and one should not be surprized that there are even RABBIS as their are christians and christian pastors and preachers, WHO DO NOT KNOW GOD IN THIS WAY........AND who do not HAVE A FAITH RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
Note, Ireland did solve its problems peacefully….
Yes the Good Friday Belfast Agreement of 1998. Very difficult peace procsss and it took parties in N Ireland(Uk) politicians and leaders of both paramilitaries to want peace to come together with the British Government Tony Blair the Irish Government Rep of Ireland Bertie Ahearn and with the assistance of the Americian Government President Bill
Clinton. And it invoved both sides in N Ireland in decommissioning their arms under the supervision of George Michell,US.
I see very little similarity with Israel and the hostility of Hezbollah (Party of Allah) who are baed in Lebanon whoes goal is to destroy the Jewish state and Hamas (Islamic Resistance Movement) and Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Gaza who also want to destroy the Jewish state of Israel and replace with a Palestinian Islamic state and the West Bank ,(Judea and Samaria) and Gaza from.the ' river to the sea ' .
@@evelynmccabe3855 No similarity whatever, I agree. And amongst the Irish there was intention on both sides- not so with Israel's enemies.
What the hell is he talking about ?!
George Bush Junior?
Thank you so much for this episode.💙💙💙
Why bring on another post-modernist liar? I knew Gordis was delusional, but this is beyond the pale.
FYI- Eylon Levy, my children call you my boyfriend. Well, I call you my boyfriend. lol… I’ve learned from DNA results show that the Cherokee Native Americans, were, are Jewish! We all know the history of what happened to most of the Native American’s.
Chuck Schumer, Kamala Harris, and Joe Biden make a weak government!
This sounds fascinating- do clarify !
@@desertari DNA doesn’t lie.
@@desertari Does it interest you, that Eylon Levy is my pretend boyfriend?