I wonder if there is a Sex Offender index in France like there is in the US, where convicted sex offenders must register and keep updating their registration every time they move. Maybe they could get one set up for these situations?
I'll never understand this attitude in the West that sex crimes require the special treatment of public shaming. What it is that a normal prison punishment that is so insufficient that you feel this animalistic desire to publically shame people? Just let the justice system do its job. Apparently, it is working just fine in France, based on how this trial went.
Its not just hate towards women. Its a toxic loyalty amongst men. There were a lot of men who read Pelicots offer in the internet, there were 2-3 men who went to their house but left without commiting this crime and I am sure that some of the men who r* her told some buddies what was going on. None of these men thought it was a good idea to report this to the police. They rather let people become victims of horrific abuse than to be illoyal to men who abuse them. What is wrong with men? This has to stop! This is " its not my business" thinking. And its totally wrong.
Not all men but a nauseatingly great many men, doing the deed, considering the deed, even - when backing out, or after participating realising the depravity, the danger to a life - not reporting even anonymously...even some time after the event. But also a man doing more than a job, the security guard insisting that the offended woman in the store put in a formal charge, seizing the camera, reporting, while another might just have thrown Pelicot out,maybe discreetely and out of "solidarity for a brother" saving him from annoyance, with police, at home with "the missus", just for a bit of fun...
I agree with your statement wholeheartedly, but it’s truly not all men. What we have to consider, is the time we live in. To build a cluster of rapists and other perverts in the time of the internet, is easier than ever before. Hence the concentration of such cases. But it also shows the deep friction in our societies, the victory of narcissism and entitlement.
One said that he didn’t want to waste half a day at the police station. Ordinary men committing abhorrent crimes when no one was watching. Incomprehensible.
So did she suffer an indignation or not, Dr. Verdrängung? Malum In Se/Malum Prohibitum Nothing moral requires authority. Authority is the claim to the exclusive exemption to morality. It is a monopoly on violence. Violence is a violation because it is the initiation of aggression, not self-defense. Offense/defense are ontologically distinct. All crime has a legal equivalent (ie, taxation is extortion). Every government is founded on Ad Baculum. Petitio Principii can and will be used against you. Warren v. District of Columbia Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales DeShaney v. Winnebago County Lozito v. New York City Salinas v. Texas You are legally compelled via the logical fallacies Ad Populum, Ad Baculum and Ad Verecundiam to pay for protection that they are not legally obligated to provide. That's a mafia. Operation Flicker The highest Abrahamic value is Ignorance of Good and Evil. It's right there in Genesis. They worship Yaldabaoth, God of the Scapegoaters: God blames Man; Man blames Woman; Woman blames Serpent; Serpent blames God, more accurately - the Serpent defines God. God Condones Child Rape No.s 31: 17-18 God Condones Rape Deut. 22: 28-29 God Condones Abortion No.s 5: 11-31 Unquestioning Obedience to Government Rom.s 13: 1-7 Ritualistic classifying surgery as a means of psychic castration, like circumcision and sub-incision, are hallmarks of patriarchal culture, a demonstration to the young that the venerable old ones still wield the all-powerful knife - and the beginning of transsexualism. Those who do not perform the cult's rite can never enjoy full social status. Symbols of the castrated member, the tie and bow-tie, are mandatory accoutrements of the political wardrobe and phallic monuments are erected to commemorate the minds conquered long ago. Brute force is no longer necessary. The capitalist priest class of Psychiatry, working in tandem with the State bureaucracy, regulates and polices the new Restriction and gelding of desire. Psychiatrists, along with other legal arbiters, help to obscure justice with grey areas of intentionality, mental state, etc. Some mistake this as a system of Liberty, ignorant of the fact that Psychiatric Control is a cornerstone of the perfected Totalitarian State. All modern illnesses come from the absurd and tragic struggle of man's inability to bridle Nature. This dogma echoes perpetually, omnisciently by understanding voices in self-help books, billboards, radio commercials and television talk shows to convince the public to practice continual self-suppression and hormonal restraint. Any deviation is an indication of something severely wrong with the individual. Perhaps Lycanthropic Transformation Rites are in some way a Psychic Preparation for the millennial calamities that are thought to lie ahead. Legalism is a Language of Equivocations, a process of assimilation to violence and illogic. Etymology: government Gubernare: to control Mens/Mentis: mind culture Colere: to inhabit, to till Cult: collective mind -ure: process of civilize, etc. Civitas: city -ize: to do/to make like police, policy, politics, polite Polis: city authority Auctor: master, father, creator -ity: quality of religion Religare: to bind fast, to place an obligation on -ion: noun-forming suffix uniform Uni-: one Form: shape They lump themselves into a group. They want all the collective praise and none of the collective blame (No True Scotsman). If they were truly concerned for their reputation they wouldn’t wear a uniform. Badges are just snowflakes. Ad Baculum + Ad Populum = Democracy "Everything is metamorphosed into its opposite to perpetuate itself in its expurgated form. All the powers, all the institutions speak of themselves through denial, in order to attempt, by simulating death, to escape their real death throes. [...] For example: it would be interesting to see whether the repressive apparatus would not react more violently to a simulated holdup than to a real holdup. Because the latter does nothing but disturb the order of things, the right to property, whereas the former attacks the reality principle itself." - Jean Baudrillard (Simulacra & Simulation - 1981) "Our rulers, who rule our symbols, and so rule a symbolic class of life, impose their own infantilism on our instituitions, educational methods, and doctrines. This leads to maladjustment of the incoming generations which, being born into, are forced to develop under the un-natural (for man) semantic conditions imposed on them. In turn, they produce leaders afflicted with the old animalistic limitations. The vicious circle is completed; it results in a general state of human un-sanity, reflected again in our instituitions. And so it goes, on and on." - Alfred Korzybski (Science and Sanity: An Introduction to Non-Aristotelian Systems and General Semantics - 1933) "I am a cosmopolitan." - Diogenes "If I could not be Alexander, I should wish to be Diogenes." - Alexander the Great "A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years." - Lysander Spooner (No Treason: Constitution of No Authority - 1867) "It is incredible how as soon as a people become subject, it promptly falls into such complete forgetfulness of its freedom that it can hardly be roused to the point of regaining it, obeying so easily and willingly that one is led to say that this people has not so much lost its liberty as won its enslavement." - Étienne de la Boétie (Discours de la servitude volontaire ou le Contr'un - 1577) "Leadership in government is political power, and political power is an official form of antagonizing the people. Politics are rules imposed upon the people. They have every man in a straight jacket and without a passport he cannot move a toe. In a free world, they violate the natural rights of every citizen. They have become the weapons of political despots and if you don't think as they think you're deprived of your passport." - Michael Chaplin as Rupert Macabee (A King in New York - 1957) "Imagine, if you will, a world filled only with criminals of whom there are two classes: those too honest to rationalize their crimes and the powerful who scapegoat them." - Rod Serling "Eye have no Moral Obligation to ask permission from the person to whom Eye Morally Object if Eye may exercise mEye Moral Objection." - Unknown
@@lionairvine870 he is 72, the sentence is 20 years, with 2/3 of période de sûreté (what he must serve before eligible for parole, I don’t know how to say that in English), so that’s 13 years minimum, by which time he will be 85 if still alive, and he may not be granted parole. So it’s basically a life sentence.
She allowed herself and the court to sit and watch the videos, she allowed her story to be told openly and she experienced perhaps one of the most grotesque stories of modern times. The fact something like this has even happened to her is a stain on us as humans
Even if they didn't know, to fetishize having intercourse with someone who is even PRETENDING to be unconscious is extremely alarming and weird. Even stranger is the daughter of one of the perpetraitors trying to justify it, even if it was consensual. If I found out my dad was into that kind of thing I would be extremely weirded out and would never see him the same way, let alone go on national TV to defend him and his weird kink.... ew.
@tisbutascratch2045 I would say that it is your responsibility to always know. You do not take a wallet from an unconscious individual. Why would you assume that you have permission to have a sex with an unconscious woman? They knew very well what they did. They just don't want to do the time.
@@tisbutascratch2045 I don't know. I'm conflicted. I'm sure it's a bit harder to do that if you actually love your father very much as she seems to do. Finding out something as horrible as that about a person you have such a strong bond with will lead to some emotional damage and trauma, I'm sure. I wouldn't feel comfortable vilifying her. I think she's a victim of her father more than anything else. And I'm sure she'll realize in time.
@@tisbutascratch2045 White men are romanticized but only in Hollywood movies they’re most falsely advertised men in the world this is their true colors men who participated in this horrible acts are all white men too stop dating them they’re all like this inside eventually it will come out
The hatred of women runs so deep in men that several of her rapists tried to defend themselves by claiming they wouldn’t “do it” with someone so old. Horrible. Respect to Gisele.
@@HereForTheComments990 yes indeed and all the comments from men stating it is “gross” because she was 59….the implication being that it wouldn’t have been if she’d been young.
So 51 men were convicted of raping this woman. That means her husband participated in at least 51 rapes. This doesn’t include the men who were not convicted or the multiple times they raped her. Shouldn’t he get time for at least 51 more rapes?
He was complicit in other sex crimes around the area, including with the unconscious wife of another man. Upskirting. And he likely MURDERED a woman in 1991. The man is an absolute monster who found other monsters. We live in a terrifying society.
Texts between them & husband proved they knew what they were doing is illegal. The husband literally called it rape & abuse in the messages & gave them instructions on how to drug his wife & get away with it.
@@freedomfighter4990 Wow this should be wake up call for every woman who romanticises french man and white men this is their true colors it’s always them this is why i date korean men or asian men now
In most cases they committed the crime once. Just around ten of them were more than once perpetuators. But the husband organizing all of it getting 20 years is a joke. Also at least 30 others not yet identified. This was scary.
I read that the judge was not wanting to set sentences for the men who raped Mme. Pelicot that were too high because then the men would appeal them and Giselle would have to keep appearing in court over and over for the appeals trials. That would be just re-traumatize Mme. Pelicot over and over and I'm sure she would like to move on. Of course Mme. would keep appearing for as long as it took for justice to be done but maybe the judge figured enough was enough.
@@lesleyschultz6846Except that logic is used constantly and ends up causing so much harm. Instead of speeding through cases and giving lower sentences everytime something so atrocious happens that we don't want to "traumatize them more", we need a system to protect those who are traumatized while still being able to fully sentence the perpetrators. The excuse of not wanting to traumatize a victim comes from a place of sympathy but has happened so many times, so many people get hurt from it. Having a system where the truly worst criminals don't get the full sentence because they were so horrifying the victims were traumatized, then that's a terrible system but shouldn't be an excuse to let these people off easy.
Misogyny, the harsh reality. Time for us to wake up. The men knew exactly what they were doing. They were willing participants. They were easy to find in the community. There were more than 50...the other rapists are still out there unidentified.
I still can’t get over the volume of men who took part in this filth. It makes me look at men in my own neighbourhood with a shifty eye. How many of them would take part in the exact same act if they felt they wouldn’t be caught. How many of them would vow to cover up for each other instead of protect women? This is a wake up call to me that men by and large have never been our allies. They’ve either denied us human rights or violated us directly. Throughout history.
I'm sorry but you didn't know 99% of men are this way? it's always been the case, look what they do at war. Abuse women immediately, animals, even corpses. Men do this all the time, if its not violent then it's emotional pressure. They always abused women and always did. Why do you think we had no voting rights? they tried to ban us from education? MEN are the abusers.
But it does not start with rape. It starts much earlier - like "accidentely" touching woman in public or at the work place. Its learned behaviour that most woman questions themselves (perhaps he didnt mean it ..etc.etc. ) first bevor questioning these mens behaviour. Because we have learned that people will question US first before believing the woman, even if they SEE it with their own eyes. And especially domestic violence - how many close their eyes if they become aware of a collegues or neighbours behavior. And how many dont report a realitve for SA to a child. There are so many blind eyes.
And some of them are well protected. They persecute and torture the victim to death when trying to make you look crazy doesn't work. That is what they are doing to me in France. As you can see with Gisèle, she is a white woman and those men are ordinary joe. Imagine in a racist place with lots of perverts and cowards, violent psychopaths when you are a black woman for example. Scarily unhinged lot.
Migrants in germany didn't even go to prison for a group rape they committed. 3 years is massive compared to that especially since they couldn't even established anyone did anything wrong. The husband told these guys that it's their kink to play unconscious. There was no force involved. Compare that to the group rape in germany by migrants
I wish this would actually spark a debate about this, because this whole topic is not as simple as you try to make it. But all this whole story will lead to is a little more negativity.
You are right. Then again each one of these men has a mother, who born and raised him. No matter how hard you try - you can't take women out of the equation. Women need to be more cautious about who they have children with and what values they actually seek.
@@Nushka23 I am not so sure about that. It's easy to say stuff like that from the comfort of your home. I think when you actually work as a police officer for example, things are probably not so obvious anymore.
@Rollmops94 things are obvious, its just that the police force are quite lazy and lacking in funds so they don't look into things as much as they should
@@Rollmops94I don’t think this is entirely true. For instance stalking is an offence that over a period of time almost always leads to the stalked individual getting killed. Yet it’s something that authorities don’t take seriously when reported.
Exactly. She was indeed enormously brave to go public with the trial, but there was indisputable evidence discovered by the police. They brought the charges. For most victims of rape this is not the case. Nevertheless it is a huge milestone in exposing this criminal misogynistic world and will hopefully make a difference in the mind of the general public.
Yes, all rapists have to do is falsely accuse their victims of "lying" and the police will drop the charges. There are THOUSANDS of rapists walking free because of attitudes which need to be changed. Even in cases where the criminals were caught in the act, the criminals often walk free or receive sentences so light that they continue to commit more crimes. It takes on average SEVEN reports for criminals to finally be caught and even then, unless there is rock solid evidence, the criminals only receive a few years, leaving them plenty of time to re-offend once they're let out. Consider Weinstein or Epstein where there were hundreds of victims and the victims were still called "liars" and "they asked for it." Anything to excuse the behaviour of traffickers and rapists.
Let's not forget it took her 4 years to process her husband's aberrant actions and then decide to go public; it was a slow process even at first when she appeared in court she wore dark glasses and little by little she opened up. This was not a peaches and cream marriage there was a toxic dynamic and the husband always had the control and upper hand; even the daughter hinted at a rift with her mother, who she found had dropped off a bundle of warm clothes for her father in jail, weeks after his crimes came to light. “I couldn’t believe it,” Caroline wrote. “She was still looking after the person who got her raped for a decade.” There was a level of toxicity in the marriage and the discovery of so many aberrant actions he committed with different members of the family has completely traumatized them. Thus, let's take in to account that it was A PROCESS for her to go through the stages of grief, rage for experiencing such abuse and finally making peace with it and bringing all into light.
Forgive me if I don't take "inspiration" from the victim of a mass rape. Jesus. The morbid curiosity with this case out there is getting REALLY weird. All that matters is that the French justice system is obviously working just fine for rape cases. That's enough. The rest of us should move on now and mind our own affairs.
It seems you are a little uncomfortable with the whole story. Women, like me, are inspired, not by Gisele Pelicot's 'victimhood', but by her courage@@Robespierre-lI So many women have been shamed into silence.
@@Robespierre-lIyou know not of what you speak. This is a time and place for reflective listening and bearing witness. This type of crime is widespread and systemically covered up by people in power and everyday joes. Join us in the fight for justice - “if you have come to help me, don’t waste your time, if you’ve come because your liberation is wrapped up in mine - let us walk together.”
Imagine there are probably even women who didn't report.
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@@Rollmops94 more than 70 men r*ped this woman and not one reported it and all you have to add is how theres "probably women who didn't report either"? There was not a single incriminated woman known or named in this case - your comment is trying to put away attention of the gruesome crimes done by men and men only while switching the narrative. This is a crime done by men, there's no "probably", only facts.
How can the man say he didn’t know he was raping her, when she was asleep. That daughter needs to go to prison with her dad, for trying to defend his rape actions.
She doesnt need to go to prison, she needs to show her face if she wants to stand by him, be a good lesson to anyone out there when it comes to minimising these acts. If she honestly believes he wasnt at fault and wants to try and make that claim to the world she should proudly stand by her comments without the luxury of anonymity the fact she doesnt isnt a symptom of fear its a symptom of shame.
Wrong. This is internalised misogyny where women are blamed for the wrongful actions of men. If she should "go to jail with him" then why not all the men who are defending him as if he made some little mistake? Why can't men be held accountable without looking for a woman to blame??
51 men plus him he should have had a minimum of 52 years, but much much more because of the betrayal, abuse & trauma. Bless her, she is so amazingly strong, thank goodness that security guard reported him, and they found the evidence. If she had gone herself, it is such a shocking case, she wouldn't have been believed. Karma works, and it will get you if you do evil deeds. Maybe 51 men might take showers with him in prison.
After this ordeal, hope Madam Gisèlle finds her peace and will have many joyful moments in the future. I wish her the very best and thank her for being brave and strong.
I think Paris mayor must consider installing a statue of Pelicot to celebrate her bravery and to encourage women to come forward boldly and report crimes of this nature.
selvamthiagarajan8152 wrote «I think Paris mayor must consider installing a statue of Pelicot to celebrate her bravery and to encourage women to come forward boldly and report crimes of this nature.» and @@aliancemd answered «Ok, that’s stupid, that’s too much» -- Ah ah ah! No! It is a wonderful idea. A statue of Pelicot would be a monument to the stupidity and gullibility of the flock that derives its value from its antagonism against fake and cheap projections of evil. The mindless flock needs this kind of feeding to preserve its feeling of some self-worthiness. The problem is that the excess, coupled with dressed-up stories and shifting the threshold, can lead to puritanism. Puritanism similar to that of the woke-culture that started to pretend to censor out all the history perceived by them as unjust. The soap-operas conquering the real world, where the screenplay writers are officers and the public of pseudoethical idiots are ragamuffin soldiers assaulting themselves without being aware. p.s. quoting because some people edit their comments after having received replies
@@bloopy6166- Learn to read. They said "one too many," not "all" anything. The reality is that 75% of men would commit SA if they knew they'd never be caught. That's far too many and directly challenges any rape apologists who try to deflect by saying "not all" because it doesn't matter if it's "not all" when the ones who would never do it are also complacent and complicit by not challenging the ones who do. Your race "argument" doesn't hold up because there are no crimes that are committed by just one race or culture. We do know that 98% of violent crimes are committed by males and 89% of their victims are women, and that spans across ALL cultures and "races."
@@bloopy6166 Misogyny transcends race, age, culture and religion. Misogyny is much, much older and more pervasive than racism. You cannot compare the two.
Let's take a step back and not be quick to judge her based on a few words she uttered in that interview. I think it was a mistake to interview her to begin with. She is clearly going through an unimaginable horrible trauma, with the decade long rape of her mother by her father and dozens of men, her father's vile action against his own daughters and daughter in law, and who what else happened in that family that is not the subject of this trial.
@@matildamatilda1836w I went through similar. I was trafficked from age 2 on by my adoptive family, used in the making of child porn, teenage porn and later, adult porn. I was tortured, mind controlled/programmed to remain silent. This stuff happens more than people know. There are very sick, twisted, psychopathic people around and a lot of them make it into positions of great power, like running a country. I saw and experienced things most people would never believe.
It is a very pathetic state of reality that this sort of thing was very prevalent. From what I understand, it's minimized greatly since the pandemic lockdowns ended, but still, those memories are prisons in themselves. Those I know who have been roofied have been harmed psychologically so bad, they struggled in every relationship since. It is a literal war. No wonder birth rates plummeted.
I mean - this statement is clearly not true. If she consents and then takes something to become unconscious she has consented and is unconscious. These men are most probably lying anyways, but it's still not as simple as y'all try to make it.
I don't know how you can do this to your wife. What a betrayal of your family. Twenty years isn't long enough. I hope French legislators will change the sentencing range on this. Gisele is an extraordinarily brave woman. One further thought: Why wasn't he charged with attempted murder? He could have killed her if he miscalculated the dose. I wish only the best to Gisele and her children.
She was exposed to AIDS by at least one of these men and he did not use protection. To me this is another charge that is equally serious to rape. I would expect prosecutions including civil prosecutions that gut these men’s assets in addition for onset criminal charges stemming from their rape convictions.
He might get more than 20 years, he is also related to another rape from 1999, his DNA was found on a shoe. In 1991, an estate agent was drugged, tied, raped and killed. Because of how it happened, Dominique Pelicot is suspected to be the killer.
I'm not fundamentally disagreeing with what you said, but consider that if you aim for sentencing on the more extreme end of the spectrum, it can become more difficult to convict. Admittedly, I'm not very familiar with the French legal system, so I'm not sure how relevant this is, but in America, there have been numerous cases where obviously guilty people weren't convicted simply because the prosecution was aiming for the harshest possible punishment, which, as a consequence, required a higher burden of proof and led to a reluctance to convict. I think that the fact all 51 men were convicted is a huge win, and with harsher charges, this might not have happened for some of the men where the evidence wasn't as clear (obviously just speculation, but perhaps worth considering) I think,in general, if you want to have a discussion, it's more meaningful to focus on harsher punishments for rape rather than on whether they could have also added some less substantial charges of attempted murder.
Heap on 900 more charges............ 20 year maximum sentence. PERIOD. Some even deemed it being 'aggravated rape' as overkill because it was his WIFE?! France has notoriously lenient sentences for everything (including murder, let alone attempted murder; can be in & out/done with supervision in less than 10yrs for premeditated murder in some instances!!!). Beyond France's extreme leniency & rather twisted cultural 'norms' (below): many EU countries are similar. Madrid Spain terror attack is top of mind. Of those convicted, the main handful got sentences over 1000 years, despite everyone in/at/outside the court being fully aware 20 years was MAXIMUM sentence of confinement. PERIOD. Zero exceptions, zero court discretion... Not reported were so many of the worst nuggets: just 2/3 of his 20 years is to be served IN prison (places that hardly pass as 'prison' in other countries), he admitted in rather explicit terms what he did/didn't make the evidence prove it even though it did/also loudly proclaimed EVERY other defendant was fully aware & involved in every detail.... He had pix of his daughter+daughters in law in various states of undress yet denies assaulting them (which resulted in open court screaming by the daughter as his lawyer plead with him to tell EVERYTHING, believing he was holding back).. The fantasizing/chatting/preplanning/active planning all went on via a public/unencrypted/not dark web site. In his (known) decade of this organized rape he'd post dates/times he was 'offering her' asking who all was interested (not limited to 1 at a time or 1 per night), their messages explicitly discuss drugg!ng/rap!ng/full unconsciousness/etc, he gave rules like no cologne or dirty body/clothes to ensure no odd remnants were left behind... She pursued physicians all around the EU for the entire decade+, suffering many complex ailments without explanations or treatments - fully convinced she had some horrible illness &/or brain tumor &/or was dying of some mysterious illness.... Court record overflowing with website/text/other messages between perps exchanging ideas of what to do & how, what to pickup at pharmacies/how to hide their faces to not be filmed at pharmacy/how to mix ingredients/how to get women to consume them/rules to follow to not get caught/etc.... with MANY other users claiming they were going to or DID mimick his actions!! 1 of which he joined in on raping the online buddy's wife in the same manner (charge/conviction for that are INCLUDED in this case & sentence)... Once an NGO got the site ('Coco') shut down: SEVERAL MORE sites popped up (also not on the dark web/unencrypted/unmoderated/open to all) to facilitate the very same grotesque acts & 'idea sharing' which is clearly not considered perverse thought nor deed, ALL the perps lived within an estimated 30 mile radius of their small town (100 separate men is the estimate, some 'visiting' upwards of 8+ times), ALL assaults occurred IN their family home not at random places or seedy hotels, the women of that & surrounding small towns are now horrified & terrified their own husbands or relatives could have or would do the same to them...... He filmed EVERY assault & shared them ALL online. Of the very few cases that ever go to trial in France: an anonymous victim [face/name/all details & care to bring them in/out private entries] = is the norm. As we see: defendants are somehow given the same luxury... Ms Pelicot not only waived anonymity: she vehemently demanded the ENTIRE trial be FULLY open to the public AND press to draw attention to France & the whole world a very twisted yet not so secret part of French society, proclaiming the shame was finally going to change camps & be put where it belongs!! That includes the public & press viewing EVERY video & photo of assaults on her lifeless body (always limp/lifeless/totally unresponsive to any & every thing/often snoring).... Many of the fools who are allowed to hide their identity/name/face & claim they didn't know it wasn't consensual also claim THEY're victims as they didn't give permission to be filmed or for the film to be shared then several claimed it wasn't rape because they didn't force her nor did she tell them no while still others claimed they believed HIS permission equated "consent" (actual arguments made by actual lawyers while court was in session & the judge on the bench!!)... Many of the 'men' here got as little as 3-15yrs (2/3 served in prison being top of the mark, so some of those sentences may only be 1/3 in prison, possibly even FULL sentence in alternative settings such as house arrest or community corrections situations which is like a halfway house or group home, or even just sleeping at the jail/out working & living normal life from sunrise until a set curfew time then many sentences get chopped down while they're being served).... AT LEAST 50 KNOWN perps were NOT indicted on ANY charge, they only chose the 50 they had enough evidence to convict [generally deemed prosecutorial ethics to only charge what you can prove] & nobody has a clue how many total there actually were.... French societal norms [per leading French women's advocacy NGO]: less than 10% of sexual assaults on anyone of any age or gender are even reported, of those reported just 1% result in convictions & even heinous assaults on women+children [so in that 1% of 10% reported] typically result in sentences of 6mo-1yr with anything more apparently deemed 'extreme'... This young woman's absurd defense of her dirty parent is VERY much the norm. Women, children & other men apparently lionize a twisted patriarchal society where 'Father knows best' takes on new meaning... Domestic abuse/violence laws DON'T exist in France. The basic assault & violence law that apply between any individuals are somehow utilized to prosecute any form of violence or abuse on domestic partners (same is true for children in many cases)..... I could probably write a novel of what MORE there is to hear or know (much of which is still unknown to me); each part worse than the last.
What a great woman. You're an example for all victims, you faced this horrific trial with bravery and grace. May you live a long and healthy life. Standing in support from Albania
Leave the daughter alone. She has to process this in her own way, in her own time. Why the hell would you attack her? Are 50+ guilty men not enough targets for your anger?
I also find it unsettling how many commenters here are focusing their anger on her. It's a very weird case of 'if you are not with us, you're against us' mentality targeted at a person who is, in all honesty, acting in a relatively normal and expected way, given the grim reality she has only recently been confronted with and now has to come to terms with. The fact that she's the only other woman in this story besides Pelicot, can't be a coincidence either- with regard to why her interview sparked such a strong reaction from (it seems) women in particular.
I agree sorry. When she puts herself on his side, she is dumb. Harsh words but the truth. He raped another woman like her. Just because he did not rape his own daughter, we don’t know who else he raped. I think she is dead wrong for this
@@romanr9883Anger flows along paths of least resistance, and patriarchy puts up the most resistance around being angry with men. That leaves women and children as easier targets.
When he was nicked for filming up women’s skirts she said she loved him and though she was upset she would stand up with him. That’s how remarkable she was. Little did she know the extent of what was going on, not just for her but for her own daughter.
He wanted her to engage in swinging. She refused. So he came up with this to punish her for saying no. That's why. She dared to say no to her lord and master husband. Wives are not property.
A lot of them will encourage torture, persecution and worse of other women. That is my case in France. The country is a god forsaken place. Too many perverts and unhinged cowards psychopaths.
Yup, that is the question, why were SO MANY MEN willing to do her wrong? It is our neighbors, friends, and family secretly doing these things, they should all be in jail.
Exactly. Where are we going wrong exactly? that such a high ratio of our sons grow up to be monsters. This needs to be the subject of much government funding...
She is one of the most courageous and strongest women I’ve ever laid eyes on! So glad the trial is over for her and all of those nasty men have been shamed, prosecuted and found guilty!! Brava, Ms. Pelicot!! Brava!! 👏👏👏👏
Gisèle I am so sorry that this vile thing happened to you. Thank you so very much for your bravery. I wish you peace, health and the strength to find some semblance of joy in your life.
Imagine her living in that small community, and not knowing the faces of men around her that knew what they'd done to her. The humiliation and dehumanization she must've felt. My question is, while going to various doctors, how did these drugs not show up in her bloodwork? Did the doctors not realize she was being raped repeatedly?
@@cashkitty3472 Perhaps? I'm just now hearing of this case. I'm just sitting here with my mouth open and just cannot fathom such human depravity. Ya know?
@@cashkitty3472 Apparently the ex-husband got busted forvtaking pictures up womens skirts, and this was unveiled when police started going through his computer etc. So how no doctor suspected/discovered this is a mystery!
@@cashkitty3472 no, the doctors had no idea, thought she was suffering from Alzheimer's. He was found out because he was taking upskirt photos of other women and when the police looked on his computer for evidence of that they also found the videos of his wife.
@@cashkitty3472As far as I know, she only found out when the police seized his laptop and found the videos of what had been done to her - the police informed her. Must have been so shocking!
I've no words for how much I admire this woman, her strength is beyond that of most. I hope her remaining years with her children and family are wonderful, she deserves love and happiness ✌
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw we are not speaking of the Times Magazine. Imagine that, people outside the U.S. exist.🤣 And we dont need a magazine company to tell us who should be "person of the year".
@@RogerMellie-yk3gwNewsflash. we dont need the Times Magazine to tell us who is or is not Person of the year. Plus, there is a world beyond the U.S., if you havent' noticed. This woman is so much more brave than any politicion and we dont need a magazine telling es to recognize that.
@KarMa-ws3ll and there's a world beyond Europe, in case you hadn't noticed. This lady isn't person of the year. Just an unfortunate victim of a horrendous crime.
Gisele is an amazingly strong woman. I look forward to seeing her being honored by the world. I also hope she sues the platform these vile men organized these crimes on.
@@swunt10it does not get censored however it must be provable and hearsay is not provable! Because you don’t like them IS NOT PROVABLE! You need actual evidence otherwise yes, you sound racist! So if it is so widely known, there must be heaps of actual evidence right?
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw the fact that you use the term 'virtue signalling' as a slur shows you have no virtues whatsoever and defend those who deny there is a rape culture
Such a brave woman. Sorry your husband betrayed you like he did. I'm glad he gets to think about it in prison for a long time. He and his friends. You have my respect.
The victim who refused to take shame! Well done, I’m so proud of her, she an inspiration to all women to we have enough of abuse. Men take whatever they want and we won’t be silenced anymore
Gisèle Pelicot is a hero for women and girls all over the world, who have to suffer alone, because they aren't believed, when they tell about the abuse they have suffered, about the fear we all live with. Thank you for refusing the shame we all have to fight against.
Yes, even under this video there are men calling her a liar. This is why so many victims do not report. The default is to falsely accuse them of "lying."
@@c.g.bspendersashtray3037 It's not necessarily true. You should ask yourself why it happens though. Imagine you are a woman and your daughter tells you your husband SAed her. Your whole life would fall apart. You would have to doubt yourself and your capability of decision making, because you chose him as a husband. You would have to doubt your children, because they carry his genes. Your marriage would fail - the promise to go through everything together until death parts you. You would lose social and financial security of your partner. You would have to admit it to friends and family. Admit this ENORMOUS mistake. Very few people have the courage to do this and if you think you have, chances are you just don't know what you are talking about.
His crime lasted 9 years, at least make it 29 years in prison. Hopefully the laws in France for these kinds of crimes change. At least one good thing could come from such a heinous crime.
This is so shocking and sickening to know that the man she had stayed with for so long could betray her trust and violate her. Very proud of her for the courage and strength it took to come forward.
50-100 local men! I can't even write down my feelings about those men as it fills with with so much anger. I want to make this about Gisèle, what an incredible woman. As a women I applaud you for courage and strength! A woman to look up to, a true inspiration. I wish you much happiness and a peaceful life moving forward.
I see strong similarities between Gisele Pelicot and Rosa Parks. It's not just that it takes one person to stand against injustice and inhumanity, but it will require the masses to identify with the victim instead of implicitly supporting the system that victimizes. It will require society to place blame and shame on perpetrators not their victims, and it will not only need more victims to stand with Gisele and speak out, It will require millions of complacent men and women to activate their humanity in support of the victims rather than of social norms. Big ask, but it was a big ask before Rosa Parks said enough too.
@kjhnsn7296 how so? or why not? both women stood up against systematic oppression. The biggest difference I see however, is that no crowds gathered to cheer for Rosa parks.
@@odalisque111 You believe a one off criminal transgression by a "troubled" husband is comparable to government supported systemic racism and oppression of an entire group of people? Seriously?
My heart bleeds for this woman who so bravely brought the husband and all other men to justice. The daughter defending her father - sweetheart your father is guilty in all the ways I can imagine: for manipulating you to show support for his crime, for betraying a woman who was obviously drugged and not participating and for not reporting this crime to the authorities. Your father is guilty of all that.
Hearing people cheer for Gisèle is heartwarming. I hope she + her daughter find peace & get all the support they need to heal. Gisèle is a hero. My heart is with her. Her courage is so admirable.
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw but they have felt asamed so often.And the have been treated bad by policeman and doctors and lawyers lots of times.So many woman don't go to the police because of feeling so ashamed.
"didn't rape her intentionally". How do you find yourself "not intentionally" going to someones house and raping unconscious woman there????!!!! His daughter should be ashamed!!!
To me rape also always meant something different. To me it always meant to use violence or threats of violence to force someone to have sex. I think there is actually a huge difference in forcing someone like that and drugging them first. Obviously these men are lying though to try and save themselves.
@@Rollmops94 But isn't drugging someone the exact same spirit of rape? Especially if you drug them so you don't HAVE to use violence. It amounts to the same thing,.
This is why i dont understand how most men get so defensive and quick to say "not all men." But in this case the men that chose not to rape Gisele; they knew what was happening - yet none reported it to the police. Someone in the comments said something about the 'toxic loyalty of men to men' and that is precisely the issue. Yes not all men harass women but they clearly aren't helping women either. They are staying silent. So yes it does sadly come down to 'ALL MEN' unless you are part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Most men hear 'all men' and get defensive. But truly what are you doing to not be part of the "all men" category? Staying silent means you are siding with the mens that do harass women. This truly horrific case should open everyones eyes.
Think it's more complicated than this. There's rape culture, which explains much of the silence. But there's something else here that's rarely mentioned. Men are constantly afraid of harm coming to their wives and daughters.: they clearly loathe rape. BUT, just as women can never completely trust men, men also have experienced the fact that you cannot completely trust women either. Women own the "meat package" industry, and men know this. They know that one misinterpreted move, and their lives can be ruined. Thus they are constantly in a state of anxiety about s-x. The takeaway is, and just my theory, men maybe reluctant to join anti-violence marches, or speak out, because down deep they have the "false accusation" anxiety. Is this reaction all cultural, part of the rape culture patriarchal mindset? Or as Steven Pinker suggests in a different context, that mistrust is one of the biggest problems with human nature everywhere?
And one final point if I might. I have no doubt much of what you say is true. Many men stay silent. But, so do many women. Most women I know have not been activists, or participated in rallies or marches against se-ual violance either. Why should a man be more obligate than a woman to take action just because he has a pe-is?
These men should be forced to show their faces. They are convicted and should lose the right to anonymity.
I wonder if there is a Sex Offender index in France like there is in the US, where convicted sex offenders must register and keep updating their registration every time they move. Maybe they could get one set up for these situations?
@@r8chlletters absolutely
I could not agree more. The whole world should see their faces. They are monsters.
I'll never understand this attitude in the West that sex crimes require the special treatment of public shaming. What it is that a normal prison punishment that is so insufficient that you feel this animalistic desire to publically shame people?
Just let the justice system do its job. Apparently, it is working just fine in France, based on how this trial went.
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Its not just hate towards women. Its a toxic loyalty amongst men. There were a lot of men who read Pelicots offer in the internet, there were 2-3 men who went to their house but left without commiting this crime and I am sure that some of the men who r* her told some buddies what was going on. None of these men thought it was a good idea to report this to the police. They rather let people become victims of horrific abuse than to be illoyal to men who abuse them. What is wrong with men? This has to stop! This is " its not my business" thinking. And its totally wrong.
I think your statement touches on the actual and true problem.
Not all men but a nauseatingly great many men, doing the deed, considering the deed, even - when backing out, or after participating realising the depravity, the danger to a life - not reporting even anonymously...even some time after the event.
But also a man doing more than a job, the security guard insisting that the offended woman in the store put in a formal charge, seizing the camera, reporting, while another might just have thrown Pelicot out,maybe discreetely and out of "solidarity for a brother" saving him from annoyance, with police, at home with "the missus", just for a bit of fun...
you are spot on. With all atrocities- it is those who bare witness but say and do nothing- that enable it to flourish.
@@elza1830
When it's the majority of men, there's no need to say "not all men."
I agree with your statement wholeheartedly, but it’s truly not all men. What we have to consider, is the time we live in. To build a cluster of rapists and other perverts in the time of the internet, is easier than ever before. Hence the concentration of such cases. But it also shows the deep friction in our societies, the victory of narcissism and entitlement.
Not only did 70+ participated, not 1 reported it to authorities.
All men were french too
Right? That's terrifying to see as a girl
And that this was a man she loved and trusted for 50 years and had children with. Is no one safe 😢 @@ak_akemi
One said that he didn’t want to waste half a day at the police station. Ordinary men committing abhorrent crimes when no one was watching. Incomprehensible.
Watching,,, just the ex husband who was filming and giving directions and orders .....@@fc4660
She is an amazing lady, not one man or a 1000 men can take her dignity away ever.!!! ❤
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Well spoken👏
Perfectly said. Thank you.
Very well said.
So did she suffer an indignation or not, Dr. Verdrängung?
Malum In Se/Malum Prohibitum
Nothing moral requires authority. Authority is the claim to the exclusive exemption to morality. It is a monopoly on violence. Violence is a violation because it is the initiation of aggression, not self-defense. Offense/defense are ontologically distinct. All crime has a legal equivalent (ie, taxation is extortion).
Every government is founded on Ad Baculum.
Petitio Principii can and will be used against you.
Warren v. District of Columbia
Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales
DeShaney v. Winnebago County
Lozito v. New York City
Salinas v. Texas
You are legally compelled via the logical fallacies Ad Populum, Ad Baculum and Ad Verecundiam to pay for protection that they are not legally obligated to provide. That's a mafia.
Operation Flicker
The highest Abrahamic value is Ignorance of Good and Evil. It's right there in Genesis. They worship Yaldabaoth, God of the Scapegoaters: God blames Man; Man blames Woman; Woman blames Serpent; Serpent blames God, more accurately - the Serpent defines God.
God Condones Child Rape
No.s 31: 17-18
God Condones Rape
Deut. 22: 28-29
God Condones Abortion
No.s 5: 11-31
Unquestioning Obedience to Government
Rom.s 13: 1-7
Ritualistic classifying surgery as a means of psychic castration, like circumcision and sub-incision, are hallmarks of patriarchal culture, a demonstration to the young that the venerable old ones still wield the all-powerful knife - and the beginning of transsexualism. Those who do not perform the cult's rite can never enjoy full social status.
Symbols of the castrated member, the tie and bow-tie, are mandatory accoutrements of the political wardrobe and phallic monuments are erected to commemorate the minds conquered long ago. Brute force is no longer necessary.
The capitalist priest class of Psychiatry, working in tandem with the State bureaucracy, regulates and polices the new Restriction and gelding of desire. Psychiatrists, along with other legal arbiters, help to obscure justice with grey areas of intentionality, mental state, etc.
Some mistake this as a system of Liberty, ignorant of the fact that Psychiatric Control is a cornerstone of the perfected Totalitarian State.
All modern illnesses come from the absurd and tragic struggle of man's inability to bridle Nature. This dogma echoes perpetually, omnisciently by understanding voices in self-help books, billboards, radio commercials and television talk shows to convince the public to practice continual self-suppression and hormonal restraint. Any deviation is an indication of something severely wrong with the individual.
Perhaps Lycanthropic Transformation Rites are in some way a Psychic Preparation for the millennial calamities that are thought to lie ahead.
Legalism is a Language of Equivocations, a process of assimilation to violence and illogic.
Etymology: government
Gubernare: to control
Mens/Mentis: mind
culture
Colere: to inhabit, to till
Cult: collective mind
-ure: process of
civilize, etc.
Civitas: city
-ize: to do/to make like
police, policy, politics, polite
Polis: city
authority
Auctor: master, father, creator
-ity: quality of
religion
Religare: to bind fast, to place an obligation on
-ion: noun-forming suffix
uniform
Uni-: one
Form: shape
They lump themselves into a group. They want all the collective praise and none of the collective blame (No True Scotsman). If they were truly concerned for their reputation they wouldn’t wear a uniform. Badges are just snowflakes.
Ad Baculum + Ad Populum = Democracy
"Everything is metamorphosed into its opposite to perpetuate itself in its expurgated form. All the powers, all the institutions speak of themselves through denial, in order to attempt, by simulating death, to escape their real death throes. [...] For example: it would be interesting to see whether the repressive apparatus would not react more violently to a simulated holdup than to a real holdup. Because the latter does nothing but disturb the order of things, the right to property, whereas the former attacks the reality principle itself." - Jean Baudrillard (Simulacra & Simulation - 1981)
"Our rulers, who rule our symbols, and so rule a symbolic class of life, impose their own infantilism on our instituitions, educational methods, and doctrines. This leads to maladjustment of the incoming generations which, being born into, are forced to develop under the un-natural (for man) semantic conditions imposed on them. In turn, they produce leaders afflicted with the old animalistic limitations. The vicious circle is completed; it results in a general state of human un-sanity, reflected again in our instituitions. And so it goes, on and on." - Alfred Korzybski (Science and Sanity: An Introduction to Non-Aristotelian Systems and General Semantics - 1933)
"I am a cosmopolitan." - Diogenes
"If I could not be Alexander, I should wish to be Diogenes." - Alexander the Great
"A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years." - Lysander Spooner (No Treason: Constitution of No Authority - 1867)
"It is incredible how as soon as a people become subject, it promptly falls into such complete forgetfulness of its freedom that it can hardly be roused to the point of regaining it, obeying so easily and willingly that one is led to say that this people has not so much lost its liberty as won its enslavement." - Étienne de la Boétie (Discours de la servitude volontaire ou le Contr'un - 1577)
"Leadership in government is political power, and political power is an official form of antagonizing the people. Politics are rules imposed upon the people. They have every man in a straight jacket and without a passport he cannot move a toe. In a free world, they violate the natural rights of every citizen. They have become the weapons of political despots and if you don't think as they think you're deprived of your passport." - Michael Chaplin as Rupert Macabee (A King in New York - 1957)
"Imagine, if you will, a world filled only with criminals of whom there are two classes: those too honest to rationalize their crimes and the powerful who scapegoat them." - Rod Serling
"Eye have no Moral Obligation to ask permission from the person to whom Eye Morally Object if Eye may exercise mEye Moral Objection." - Unknown
20yrs…?! Not enough!
I agree!
With a bit of luck he won’t get out of prison……he is over 60 I think….so 20 years should see him out…..so a life sentence……
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@@lionairvine870 he is 72, the sentence is 20 years, with 2/3 of période de sûreté (what he must serve before eligible for parole, I don’t know how to say that in English), so that’s 13 years minimum, by which time he will be 85 if still alive, and he may not be granted parole. So it’s basically a life sentence.
Agreed
Maximum permitted sentence in France for this crime.
She allowed herself and the court to sit and watch the videos, she allowed her story to be told openly and she experienced perhaps one of the most grotesque stories of modern times. The fact something like this has even happened to her is a stain on us as humans
Humans? To be more specific,....you know which ones.
Those people are too unhinged and deeply ridiculous to understand those brave words you mentioned. Trust me I know as I am going through it with them.
I couldn't agree more.
The depths of human depravity are unlimited it seems
Unfortunately, there are numerous, if not endless, stories that make humans scary.
At no point do I believe the other men didn't know what was going on.
That daughter defending the father must be Muslim. We learn to gaslight male crimes since we open our eyes. She's delusional.
Even if they didn't know, to fetishize having intercourse with someone who is even PRETENDING to be unconscious is extremely alarming and weird. Even stranger is the daughter of one of the perpetraitors trying to justify it, even if it was consensual. If I found out my dad was into that kind of thing I would be extremely weirded out and would never see him the same way, let alone go on national TV to defend him and his weird kink.... ew.
@tisbutascratch2045 I would say that it is your responsibility to always know.
You do not take a wallet from an unconscious individual. Why would you assume that you have permission to have a sex with an unconscious woman?
They knew very well what they did.
They just don't want to do the time.
@@tisbutascratch2045 I don't know. I'm conflicted. I'm sure it's a bit harder to do that if you actually love your father very much as she seems to do. Finding out something as horrible as that about a person you have such a strong bond with will lead to some emotional damage and trauma, I'm sure. I wouldn't feel comfortable vilifying her. I think she's a victim of her father more than anything else. And I'm sure she'll realize in time.
@@tisbutascratch2045 White men are romanticized but only in Hollywood movies they’re most falsely advertised men in the world this is their true colors men who participated in this horrible acts are all white men too stop dating them they’re all like this inside eventually it will come out
She should have been "Person of the Year".
Yes. Absolutely astounding that the “Person of the Year” is a rapist.
THIS!!!
Absolutely what a strong brave lady, unbelievable what she has been thru but still faces the world. Australia 🇦🇺🦘
She was one of 100 of the most influential women of the year from the BBC I believe, and one other. 🎉
Instead a rapist gets the title. Shows where our society is today in 2024. We have not come very far.
The hatred of women runs so deep in men that several of her rapists tried to defend themselves by claiming they wouldn’t “do it” with someone so old. Horrible. Respect to Gisele.
@@HereForTheComments990 yes indeed and all the comments from men stating it is “gross” because she was 59….the implication being that it wouldn’t have been if she’d been young.
Then why did they? They saw her, they saw she's not young. They could have said no.
Oh ffs...this is about rapists. NOT men. Just like all criminals, it's a snall faction that engage in criminality.
Donald Trump dismissing
@@rimini201 because they saw a chance for rape and took it, doesn't matter who it is
So 51 men were convicted of raping this woman. That means her husband participated in at least 51 rapes. This doesn’t include the men who were not convicted or the multiple times they raped her. Shouldn’t he get time for at least 51 more rapes?
That's not the way law works. If you don't understand why, you might want to do some research to understand.
@@Robespierre-lI Obviously - But it should work that way - Not sure why you support this law.
He was complicit in other sex crimes around the area, including with the unconscious wife of another man. Upskirting. And he likely MURDERED a woman in 1991.
The man is an absolute monster who found other monsters. We live in a terrifying society.
@@danawynkoop9511- Because he would commit the same crimes or already has.
@@tenleyjoy Maybe that's true, but what do you make of it? How do you plan to change society?
The argument that the other men thought Gisele knew, when they found Dominic on the site ‘without her consent’ is insulting. Infuriating.
and simply not credible.
Esp. when some reported that she was actually snoring while they were raping her, so they clearly knew she unconscious.
Texts between them & husband proved they knew what they were doing is illegal. The husband literally called it rape & abuse in the messages & gave them instructions on how to drug his wife & get away with it.
The worst is that many men in the comments defend them. Sickening the type of society we live in. Men are scary
@@freedomfighter4990 Wow this should be wake up call for every woman who romanticises french man and white men this is their true colors it’s always them this is why i date korean men or asian men now
More than a decade the rapists had raped Madam Pelicot and they got only 3-20 years of sentence. This is not justice this is disgusting even to say
I am not sure if any one rapist had committed this criminal act more than 1 or 2 times, I could be wrong
In most cases they committed the crime once. Just around ten of them were more than once perpetuators. But the husband organizing all of it getting 20 years is a joke. Also at least 30 others not yet identified. This was scary.
I read that the judge was not wanting to set sentences for the men who raped Mme. Pelicot that were too high because then the men would appeal them and Giselle would have to keep appearing in court over and over for the appeals trials. That would be just re-traumatize Mme. Pelicot over and over and I'm sure she would like to move on. Of course Mme. would keep appearing for as long as it took for justice to be done but maybe the judge figured enough was enough.
@@lesleyschultz6846Except that logic is used constantly and ends up causing so much harm. Instead of speeding through cases and giving lower sentences everytime something so atrocious happens that we don't want to "traumatize them more", we need a system to protect those who are traumatized while still being able to fully sentence the perpetrators. The excuse of not wanting to traumatize a victim comes from a place of sympathy but has happened so many times, so many people get hurt from it. Having a system where the truly worst criminals don't get the full sentence because they were so horrifying the victims were traumatized, then that's a terrible system but shouldn't be an excuse to let these people off easy.
@@selvamthiagarajan8152 there is one guy on video who came back 6 times and Mr. Pelicot said in a text that one guy came back 8 times.
Misogyny, the harsh reality. Time for us to wake up. The men knew exactly what they were doing. They were willing participants. They were easy to find in the community. There were more than 50...the other rapists are still out there unidentified.
Misogyny is on the rise. All women should stand in their own power to the crimes of men, and male desire to subjugate women.
I heard at least 80+ who could be identified but not all were found. There are more than 100 men in the videos.
I don't think this is about misogyny. He is a cuckold husband.
There was a website where all these creeps can make their plans against women. That should be shut down.
@@bridgetb9899 they (men) are everywhere, & sounds like you'd be surprised f you knew how many of them would be willing participants.
I still can’t get over the volume of men who took part in this filth. It makes me look at men in my own neighbourhood with a shifty eye. How many of them would take part in the exact same act if they felt they wouldn’t be caught. How many of them would vow to cover up for each other instead of protect women? This is a wake up call to me that men by and large have never been our allies. They’ve either denied us human rights or violated us directly. Throughout history.
Obviously they never been our allies. But women themselves sometimes aren't allies either
I'm sorry but you didn't know 99% of men are this way? it's always been the case, look what they do at war. Abuse women immediately, animals, even corpses. Men do this all the time, if its not violent then it's emotional pressure. They always abused women and always did. Why do you think we had no voting rights? they tried to ban us from education? MEN are the abusers.
But it does not start with rape. It starts much earlier - like "accidentely" touching woman in public or at the work place. Its learned behaviour that most woman questions themselves (perhaps he didnt mean it ..etc.etc. ) first bevor questioning these mens behaviour. Because we have learned that people will question US first before believing the woman, even if they SEE it with their own eyes. And especially domestic violence - how many close their eyes if they become aware of a collegues or neighbours behavior. And how many dont report a realitve for SA to a child. There are so many blind eyes.
The actual percentage is 75% of men would engage in SA if they knew they'd never be caught.
Yet when you are suspicious of men, they accuse you of being a man-hater. WTF?
She is so courageous and strong. God bless you Gisele. I wish you peace and happiness in your life.
I don't think god is anywhere near this scene.
She is RETARDED. How the hell do you wake up, have a sloppy sore vag, and NOT QUESTION IT? .....FOR Y E A R S
What a coward to send your daughter to do an interview to defend your despicable actions. Wow
Or what a despicable daughter and woman for actually attempting to defend it.
@@crystalstewart5568yes exactly, both are dumb as
What did the daughter say?! I cannot believe that any kind of defent can exist for his crimes
If the daughter was in Gisele’s place she would have had a different opinion!
@cassball7 Absolutely.
I still can’t believe how lenient the sentences are, it’s shocking. Some of them got as little as 3 years ffs!
3 years is garbage for what was done to her
@@satwilliams Three years, but only ONE of those years will he have to actually spend in jail ! ONE !!!
@@maud375 That is vile
And some of them are well protected. They persecute and torture the victim to death when trying to make you look crazy doesn't work. That is what they are doing to me in France. As you can see with Gisèle, she is a white woman and those men are ordinary joe. Imagine in a racist place with lots of perverts and cowards, violent psychopaths when you are a black woman for example. Scarily unhinged lot.
Migrants in germany didn't even go to prison for a group rape they committed.
3 years is massive compared to that especially since they couldn't even established anyone did anything wrong.
The husband told these guys that it's their kink to play unconscious.
There was no force involved.
Compare that to the group rape in germany by migrants
20 year's?! Outrageous! Rape is a lifetime sentence for the victim!
I wish this would actually spark a debate about this, because this whole topic is not as simple as you try to make it. But all this whole story will lead to is a little more negativity.
He’s in his 70’s, 20 years is a life sentence. He’s only getting out in a body bag.
And then you people wonder why women are cautious of men. This is why.
Next time someone says “not all men”, they should remember this story
No kidding, society hates intelligent women, tries to keep us tied to mirrors and not encyclopedias!
@@Nushka23No they shouldn't. It's a tiny minority of men. It wasn't 50 men selected at random. They're all part of the same network
You are right. Then again each one of these men has a mother, who born and raised him. No matter how hard you try - you can't take women out of the equation. Women need to be more cautious about who they have children with and what values they actually seek.
Not all men. Don’t stereotype.
Its terrifying to think that he may never have been caught if not only for his "upskirting" not for his vile acts against his wife.
Also shows the importance of recognising the seriousness of “smaller” crimes, as they are so often just a part of the story.
@@Nushka23- Exactly, this is why the term rape culture holds such importance. It is the smaller acts that support the worst, horrific ones.
@@Nushka23 I am not so sure about that. It's easy to say stuff like that from the comfort of your home. I think when you actually work as a police officer for example, things are probably not so obvious anymore.
@Rollmops94 things are obvious, its just that the police force are quite lazy and lacking in funds so they don't look into things as much as they should
@@Rollmops94I don’t think this is entirely true. For instance stalking is an offence that over a period of time almost always leads to the stalked individual getting killed. Yet it’s something that authorities don’t take seriously when reported.
they can be sentenced because they were stupid enough to record it, but many women are raped/ abused daily but we don't have evidence!
Exactly. She was indeed enormously brave to go public with the trial, but there was indisputable evidence discovered by the police. They brought the charges. For most victims of rape this is not the case. Nevertheless it is a huge milestone in exposing this criminal misogynistic world and will hopefully make a difference in the mind of the general public.
Or rape kits sit in storage rooms because of “lack of funds” for them to be processed, and others are thrown away. 🤬
They got such little time it’s hardly ever worth it.
Yes, all rapists have to do is falsely accuse their victims of "lying" and the police will drop the charges. There are THOUSANDS of rapists walking free because of attitudes which need to be changed. Even in cases where the criminals were caught in the act, the criminals often walk free or receive sentences so light that they continue to commit more crimes. It takes on average SEVEN reports for criminals to finally be caught and even then, unless there is rock solid evidence, the criminals only receive a few years, leaving them plenty of time to re-offend once they're let out.
Consider Weinstein or Epstein where there were hundreds of victims and the victims were still called "liars" and "they asked for it." Anything to excuse the behaviour of traffickers and rapists.
True. But men are also falsely accused daily. Not these guys, of course.
The grace Gisele has shown and the serene expression on her face. She has achieved her justice and inspired so many. Bravo!!
Let's not forget it took her 4 years to process her husband's aberrant actions and then decide to go public; it was a slow process even at first when she appeared in court she wore dark glasses and little by little she opened up. This was not a peaches and cream marriage there was a toxic dynamic and the husband always had the control and upper hand; even the daughter hinted at a rift with her mother, who she found had dropped off a bundle of warm clothes for her father in jail, weeks after his crimes came to light.
“I couldn’t believe it,” Caroline wrote. “She was still looking after the person who got her raped for a decade.”
There was a level of toxicity in the marriage and the discovery of so many aberrant actions he committed with different members of the family has completely traumatized them. Thus, let's take in to account that it was A PROCESS for her to go through the stages of grief, rage for experiencing such abuse and finally making peace with it and bringing all into light.
Forgive me if I don't take "inspiration" from the victim of a mass rape. Jesus. The morbid curiosity with this case out there is getting REALLY weird.
All that matters is that the French justice system is obviously working just fine for rape cases. That's enough. The rest of us should move on now and mind our own affairs.
It seems you are a little uncomfortable with the whole story.
Women, like me, are inspired, not by Gisele Pelicot's 'victimhood', but by her courage@@Robespierre-lI
So many women have been shamed into silence.
@@Robespierre-lIyou know not of what you speak. This is a time and place for reflective listening and bearing witness. This type of crime is widespread and systemically covered up by people in power and everyday joes. Join us in the fight for justice - “if you have come to help me, don’t waste your time, if you’ve come because your liberation is wrapped up in mine - let us walk together.”
@@Robespierre-lIminding your own business is what leads to rape culture going on, so no. Tuning a blind eye never solved anything
this story is going to haunt me forever. Ms Pelicot - you deserve the best in life.
Even men who did not rape, collude with the rapists and fail to report it.
Imagine there are probably even women who didn't report.
@@Rollmops94 more than 70 men r*ped this woman and not one reported it and all you have to add is how theres "probably women who didn't report either"? There was not a single incriminated woman known or named in this case - your comment is trying to put away attention of the gruesome crimes done by men and men only while switching the narrative. This is a crime done by men, there's no "probably", only facts.
How can the man say he didn’t know he was raping her, when she was asleep. That daughter needs to go to prison with her dad, for trying to defend his rape actions.
She doesnt need to go to prison, she needs to show her face if she wants to stand by him, be a good lesson to anyone out there when it comes to minimising these acts. If she honestly believes he wasnt at fault and wants to try and make that claim to the world she should proudly stand by her comments without the luxury of anonymity the fact she doesnt isnt a symptom of fear its a symptom of shame.
Wrong. This is internalised misogyny where women are blamed for the wrongful actions of men.
If she should "go to jail with him" then why not all the men who are defending him as if he made some little mistake?
Why can't men be held accountable without looking for a woman to blame??
Her father had pictures of her and her daughter on his computer
51 men plus him he should have had a minimum of 52 years, but much much more because of the betrayal, abuse & trauma. Bless her, she is so amazingly strong, thank goodness that security guard reported him, and they found the evidence. If she had gone herself, it is such a shocking case, she wouldn't have been believed. Karma works, and it will get you if you do evil deeds. Maybe 51 men might take showers with him in prison.
Mr. Pelicot swings both ways so he won't have any problems in the prison showers.
There are at least 20 more men out there, they couldn't identify from the videos. It's appalling 😡😡😡
After this ordeal, hope Madam Gisèlle finds her peace and will have many joyful moments in the future. I wish her the very best and thank her for being brave and strong.
I think Paris mayor must consider installing a statue of Pelicot to celebrate her bravery and to encourage women to come forward boldly and report crimes of this nature.
I agree.
Wholeheartedly agree. She is and will always be one of the greatest women of our time. She should be celebrated.
Ok, that’s stupid, that’s too much
@@aliancemdno
selvamthiagarajan8152 wrote
«I think Paris mayor must consider installing a statue of Pelicot to celebrate her bravery and to encourage women to come forward boldly and report crimes of this nature.»
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«Ok, that’s stupid, that’s too much»
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Ah ah ah! No! It is a wonderful idea. A statue of Pelicot would be a monument to the stupidity and gullibility of the flock that derives its value from its antagonism against fake and cheap projections of evil. The mindless flock needs this kind of feeding to preserve its feeling of some self-worthiness. The problem is that the excess, coupled with dressed-up stories and shifting the threshold, can lead to puritanism. Puritanism similar to that of the woke-culture that started to pretend to censor out all the history perceived by them as unjust.
The soap-operas conquering the real world, where the screenplay writers are officers and the public of pseudoethical idiots are ragamuffin soldiers assaulting themselves without being aware.
p.s. quoting because some people edit their comments after having received replies
To those who would say, "not all men would do this," this horrific story shows that it's one too many!
Imagine if your logic were applied to race, you can’t just accuse an entire group of people
@@bloopy6166sure, not all men, but almost always a man. deal with statistics.
@@bloopy6166 WoW....
@@bloopy6166- Learn to read. They said "one too many," not "all" anything. The reality is that 75% of men would commit SA if they knew they'd never be caught.
That's far too many and directly challenges any rape apologists who try to deflect by saying "not all" because it doesn't matter if it's "not all" when the ones who would never do it are also complacent and complicit by not challenging the ones who do.
Your race "argument" doesn't hold up because there are no crimes that are committed by just one race or culture. We do know that 98% of violent crimes are committed by males and 89% of their victims are women, and that spans across ALL cultures and "races."
@@bloopy6166 Misogyny transcends race, age, culture and religion. Misogyny is much, much older and more pervasive than racism. You cannot compare the two.
20 years...his children are serving a life sentence, they will be questioning their entire lives..
He sexually abused his own daughter, which is an open fantasy of Donny Trump.
THIS PART! The victims get a life sentence. Women living under this rape culture get a life sentence. These monsters get 3-20yrs.
I don't know. People tend to think strangely here.
Questioning what?
@@StefferKatz I presume that they will question who their father really was 😢
A women passed out in bed and she thinks her father didn't know what was going on BS. She is in denial
Yes! It must be traumatic to discover such a thing of one's father. But shame on her for trying to excuse him!
She’s one of those vile women that hide the truth and not help the abused. I’d keep away from her if I lived near.
Let's take a step back and not be quick to judge her based on a few words she uttered in that interview. I think it was a mistake to interview her to begin with. She is clearly going through an unimaginable horrible trauma, with the decade long rape of her mother by her father and dozens of men, her father's vile action against his own daughters and daughter in law, and who what else happened in that family that is not the subject of this trial.
@@matildamatilda1836w I went through similar. I was trafficked from age 2 on by my adoptive family, used in the making of child porn, teenage porn and later, adult porn. I was tortured, mind controlled/programmed to remain silent. This stuff happens more than people know. There are very sick, twisted, psychopathic people around and a lot of them make it into positions of great power, like running a country. I saw and experienced things most people would never believe.
If she is pardoning her father then she should pardon them all.
Sadly the jail sentences do not reflect the extreme , horrific crime!!! 20 years?? 2 years?? Women experience a life sentence as victims!!
Europe seems to have a problem with this. 30 years is the max penalty for murder in many countries there.
If she is not conscious to give consent, then she hasn't given consent.
It is a very pathetic state of reality that this sort of thing was very prevalent. From what I understand, it's minimized greatly since the pandemic lockdowns ended, but still, those memories are prisons in themselves. Those I know who have been roofied have been harmed psychologically so bad, they struggled in every relationship since. It is a literal war. No wonder birth rates plummeted.
You don't say. Well done for pointing out the obvious. The perpetrators didn't think she was consenting.
I mean - this statement is clearly not true. If she consents and then takes something to become unconscious she has consented and is unconscious. These men are most probably lying anyways, but it's still not as simple as y'all try to make it.
@@Rollmops94 true
@Rollmops94 keep it simple. Let women be conscious to consent.
I don't know how you can do this to your wife. What a betrayal of your family. Twenty years isn't long enough. I hope French legislators will change the sentencing range on this. Gisele is an extraordinarily brave woman. One further thought: Why wasn't he charged with attempted murder? He could have killed her if he miscalculated the dose.
I wish only the best to Gisele and her children.
Exactly.
She was exposed to AIDS by at least one of these men and he did not use protection. To me this is another charge that is equally serious to rape. I would expect prosecutions including civil prosecutions that gut these men’s assets in addition for onset criminal charges stemming from their rape convictions.
He might get more than 20 years, he is also related to another rape from 1999, his DNA was found on a shoe. In 1991, an estate agent was drugged, tied, raped and killed. Because of how it happened, Dominique Pelicot is suspected to be the killer.
I'm not fundamentally disagreeing with what you said, but consider that if you aim for sentencing on the more extreme end of the spectrum, it can become more difficult to convict. Admittedly, I'm not very familiar with the French legal system, so I'm not sure how relevant this is, but in America, there have been numerous cases where obviously guilty people weren't convicted simply because the prosecution was aiming for the harshest possible punishment, which, as a consequence, required a higher burden of proof and led to a reluctance to convict. I think that the fact all 51 men were convicted is a huge win, and with harsher charges, this might not have happened for some of the men where the evidence wasn't as clear (obviously just speculation, but perhaps worth considering)
I think,in general, if you want to have a discussion, it's more meaningful to focus on harsher punishments for rape rather than on whether they could have also added some less substantial charges of attempted murder.
Heap on 900 more charges............ 20 year maximum sentence. PERIOD. Some even deemed it being 'aggravated rape' as overkill because it was his WIFE?! France has notoriously lenient sentences for everything (including murder, let alone attempted murder; can be in & out/done with supervision in less than 10yrs for premeditated murder in some instances!!!). Beyond France's extreme leniency & rather twisted cultural 'norms' (below): many EU countries are similar. Madrid Spain terror attack is top of mind. Of those convicted, the main handful got sentences over 1000 years, despite everyone in/at/outside the court being fully aware 20 years was MAXIMUM sentence of confinement. PERIOD. Zero exceptions, zero court discretion... Not reported were so many of the worst nuggets: just 2/3 of his 20 years is to be served IN prison (places that hardly pass as 'prison' in other countries), he admitted in rather explicit terms what he did/didn't make the evidence prove it even though it did/also loudly proclaimed EVERY other defendant was fully aware & involved in every detail.... He had pix of his daughter+daughters in law in various states of undress yet denies assaulting them (which resulted in open court screaming by the daughter as his lawyer plead with him to tell EVERYTHING, believing he was holding back).. The fantasizing/chatting/preplanning/active planning all went on via a public/unencrypted/not dark web site. In his (known) decade of this organized rape he'd post dates/times he was 'offering her' asking who all was interested (not limited to 1 at a time or 1 per night), their messages explicitly discuss drugg!ng/rap!ng/full unconsciousness/etc, he gave rules like no cologne or dirty body/clothes to ensure no odd remnants were left behind... She pursued physicians all around the EU for the entire decade+, suffering many complex ailments without explanations or treatments - fully convinced she had some horrible illness &/or brain tumor &/or was dying of some mysterious illness.... Court record overflowing with website/text/other messages between perps exchanging ideas of what to do & how, what to pickup at pharmacies/how to hide their faces to not be filmed at pharmacy/how to mix ingredients/how to get women to consume them/rules to follow to not get caught/etc.... with MANY other users claiming they were going to or DID mimick his actions!! 1 of which he joined in on raping the online buddy's wife in the same manner (charge/conviction for that are INCLUDED in this case & sentence)... Once an NGO got the site ('Coco') shut down: SEVERAL MORE sites popped up (also not on the dark web/unencrypted/unmoderated/open to all) to facilitate the very same grotesque acts & 'idea sharing' which is clearly not considered perverse thought nor deed, ALL the perps lived within an estimated 30 mile radius of their small town (100 separate men is the estimate, some 'visiting' upwards of 8+ times), ALL assaults occurred IN their family home not at random places or seedy hotels, the women of that & surrounding small towns are now horrified & terrified their own husbands or relatives could have or would do the same to them...... He filmed EVERY assault & shared them ALL online. Of the very few cases that ever go to trial in France: an anonymous victim [face/name/all details & care to bring them in/out private entries] = is the norm. As we see: defendants are somehow given the same luxury... Ms Pelicot not only waived anonymity: she vehemently demanded the ENTIRE trial be FULLY open to the public AND press to draw attention to France & the whole world a very twisted yet not so secret part of French society, proclaiming the shame was finally going to change camps & be put where it belongs!! That includes the public & press viewing EVERY video & photo of assaults on her lifeless body (always limp/lifeless/totally unresponsive to any & every thing/often snoring).... Many of the fools who are allowed to hide their identity/name/face & claim they didn't know it wasn't consensual also claim THEY're victims as they didn't give permission to be filmed or for the film to be shared then several claimed it wasn't rape because they didn't force her nor did she tell them no while still others claimed they believed HIS permission equated "consent" (actual arguments made by actual lawyers while court was in session & the judge on the bench!!)... Many of the 'men' here got as little as 3-15yrs (2/3 served in prison being top of the mark, so some of those sentences may only be 1/3 in prison, possibly even FULL sentence in alternative settings such as house arrest or community corrections situations which is like a halfway house or group home, or even just sleeping at the jail/out working & living normal life from sunrise until a set curfew time then many sentences get chopped down while they're being served).... AT LEAST 50 KNOWN perps were NOT indicted on ANY charge, they only chose the 50 they had enough evidence to convict [generally deemed prosecutorial ethics to only charge what you can prove] & nobody has a clue how many total there actually were.... French societal norms [per leading French women's advocacy NGO]: less than 10% of sexual assaults on anyone of any age or gender are even reported, of those reported just 1% result in convictions & even heinous assaults on women+children [so in that 1% of 10% reported] typically result in sentences of 6mo-1yr with anything more apparently deemed 'extreme'... This young woman's absurd defense of her dirty parent is VERY much the norm. Women, children & other men apparently lionize a twisted patriarchal society where 'Father knows best' takes on new meaning... Domestic abuse/violence laws DON'T exist in France. The basic assault & violence law that apply between any individuals are somehow utilized to prosecute any form of violence or abuse on domestic partners (same is true for children in many cases)..... I could probably write a novel of what MORE there is to hear or know (much of which is still unknown to me); each part worse than the last.
What a horrific story, one of the worst stories I've heard in a long time, how does one recover from this , sending prayers to you 🙏
What a great woman. You're an example for all victims, you faced this horrific trial with bravery and grace. May you live a long and healthy life. Standing in support from Albania
Standing ovation for this brave woman!
Indeed!
Nah. But she is pretty cool
That daughter is insane!! How can she minimize the crime that her father did, he also participated!! Shame on youuu!!!😡😡😡😡😡
exactly!
Leave the daughter alone. She has to process this in her own way, in her own time. Why the hell would you attack her? Are 50+ guilty men not enough targets for your anger?
I also find it unsettling how many commenters here are focusing their anger on her. It's a very weird case of 'if you are not with us, you're against us' mentality targeted at a person who is, in all honesty, acting in a relatively normal and expected way, given the grim reality she has only recently been confronted with and now has to come to terms with. The fact that she's the only other woman in this story besides Pelicot, can't be a coincidence either- with regard to why her interview sparked such a strong reaction from (it seems) women in particular.
I agree sorry. When she puts herself on his side, she is dumb. Harsh words but the truth. He raped another woman like her. Just because he did not rape his own daughter, we don’t know who else he raped. I think she is dead wrong for this
@@romanr9883Anger flows along paths of least resistance, and patriarchy puts up the most resistance around being angry with men. That leaves women and children as easier targets.
How could you do that to your own wife😭 despicable act of inhumane nature😢
When he was nicked for filming up women’s skirts she said she loved him and though she was upset she would stand up with him. That’s how remarkable she was. Little did she know the extent of what was going on, not just for her but for her own daughter.
@@CalloCallayDid he rape his daughter and drug her as well?😮
He wanted her to engage in swinging. She refused. So he came up with this to punish her for saying no. That's why. She dared to say no to her lord and master husband. Wives are not property.
It’s not remarkable to stand with a pervert. What is remarkable is how she decided to deal with this whole situation later aka a public trial.
There are a lot of 🐓 olds you know
These women who protect these men are just as bad. Enablers.
THIS!!
The daughter defending her father is insane
@@victoriasarmiento4191 she's SICK!
They can’t face the truth. It would shatter their reality. These men are monsters.
A lot of them will encourage torture, persecution and worse of other women. That is my case in France. The country is a god forsaken place. Too many perverts and unhinged cowards psychopaths.
Yup, that is the question, why were SO MANY MEN willing to do her wrong? It is our neighbors, friends, and family secretly doing these things, they should all be in jail.
It’s their nature. The biggest lie ever sold was that men are protectors.
@@xysarenottheprize and still trying to be sold!!!
ALL MEN ARE EVIL. keep that in your mind
exactly. Every time I look at men, I see potential danger. they all have it in them,if they think no one is watching.
Exactly. Where are we going wrong exactly? that such a high ratio of our sons grow up to be monsters. This needs to be the subject of much government funding...
She is one of the most courageous and strongest women I’ve ever laid eyes on! So glad the trial is over for her and all of those nasty men have been shamed, prosecuted and found guilty!! Brava, Ms. Pelicot!! Brava!! 👏👏👏👏
Completely agree. Brava, Mde Pelicot....so proud of you. Thank you for your amazing strength!
You have a low bar then
@@swunt10you have a gross mindset buddy. She is admirable. And if you don't sée it, that says a lot about you
Yaaaay. Virtue signalling
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw You must be one of the rapists.
Giselle is an incredible woman
I will never forget her face, to me that’s the face of bravery, beacon of hope and of a woman who maintained such composure throughout. Wow.
20 years per rape!!!!!! Not 20 years for the entire ordeal!!!! What a joke
5:01 The coward won’t even speak for himself, hiding behind his daughter!
Gisèle I am so sorry that this vile thing happened to you. Thank you so very much for your bravery. I wish you peace, health and the strength to find some semblance of joy in your life.
Imagine her living in that small community, and not knowing the faces of men around her that knew what they'd done to her. The humiliation and dehumanization she must've felt. My question is, while going to various doctors, how did these drugs not show up in her bloodwork? Did the doctors not realize she was being raped repeatedly?
I'm guessing that was how she found out.
@@cashkitty3472 Perhaps? I'm just now hearing of this case. I'm just sitting here with my mouth open and just cannot fathom such human depravity. Ya know?
@@cashkitty3472 Apparently the ex-husband got busted forvtaking pictures up womens skirts, and this was unveiled when police started going through his computer etc.
So how no doctor suspected/discovered this is a mystery!
@@cashkitty3472 no, the doctors had no idea, thought she was suffering from Alzheimer's. He was found out because he was taking upskirt photos of other women and when the police looked on his computer for evidence of that they also found the videos of his wife.
@@cashkitty3472As far as I know, she only found out when the police seized his laptop and found the videos of what had been done to her - the police informed her. Must have been so shocking!
That's a brave woman right there.
It's France the judge was probably one of the 70
Not really. Most people would do the same if treated so horrendously
I've no words for how much I admire this woman, her strength is beyond that of most. I hope her remaining years with her children and family are wonderful, she deserves love and happiness ✌
She is a brave strong woman. Hope she and her family can heal.
It's a shame for the justice system just to give 20 years 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Who are the criminal men????? I want to see their pictures!!!
the website was called "without her consent". tells you everything
She is the person of the year
SHE is! It thought that too, yesterday. She deserves all the accolades. I just hope that she is supported beyond this trial.
No she isn't. That was Trump. Didn't you see the magazine cover?
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw we are not speaking of the Times Magazine. Imagine that, people outside the U.S. exist.🤣 And we dont need a magazine company to tell us who should be "person of the year".
@@RogerMellie-yk3gwNewsflash. we dont need the Times Magazine to tell us who is or is not Person of the year. Plus, there is a world beyond the U.S., if you havent' noticed. This woman is so much more brave than any politicion and we dont need a magazine telling es to recognize that.
@KarMa-ws3ll and there's a world beyond Europe, in case you hadn't noticed. This lady isn't person of the year. Just an unfortunate victim of a horrendous crime.
Gisele is an amazingly strong woman. I look forward to seeing her being honored by the world. I also hope she sues the platform these vile men organized these crimes on.
She is unbelievably strong. I admire this woman! God bless her.
and still there are people in denial of there being a rape culture
especially among illegal migrants from the arabic and african world but that gets censored.
#groominggangs
@@swunt10it does not get censored however it must be provable and hearsay is not provable! Because you don’t like them IS NOT PROVABLE! You need actual evidence otherwise yes, you sound racist! So if it is so widely known, there must be heaps of actual evidence right?
No there aren't. Nobody thinks it doesn't exist. Stop virtue signalling
The rape culture that was imported into europe since 2015? yes, grooming gangs, yes...
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw the fact that you use the term 'virtue signalling' as a slur shows you have no virtues whatsoever and defend those who deny there is a rape culture
So relieved she received her justice and guilty verdicts against these monsters.
She made a difference & women will feel more confident knowing what action is possible to right a wrong.
Gisele Pelicot has my deepest respect and admiration. Thank you for your bravery.
only 20 years? should have been a lifetime! wtf
Men do not take rape seriously.
Prays for her.. keep her safe!!!
What a woman, thank God for this delivery of justice for her and all those she stands for
Such a brave woman. Sorry your husband betrayed you like he did. I'm glad he gets to think about it in prison for a long time. He and his friends.
You have my respect.
The pharmacy that supplied those drugs to the rapist must be held responsible, too.
Or at the very least investigated.
The pharmacy? They clearly came from the darknet. It was cocodamol
impossible in france to get without a prescription. Came from an illegal pipeline.
The victim who refused to take shame! Well done, I’m so proud of her, she an inspiration to all women to we have enough of abuse. Men take whatever they want and we won’t be silenced anymore
She is amazingly brave, strong and a great role model. May she have a peaceful, prosperous and content life moving forward.
20 years is not enough...Thank you Gisele, you are a very brave woman. Thank you. You changed France, and the world. You should be awarded
Gisèle Pelicot is a hero for women and girls all over the world, who have to suffer alone, because they aren't believed, when they tell about the abuse they have suffered, about the fear we all live with.
Thank you for refusing the shame we all have to fight against.
Yes, even under this video there are men calling her a liar. This is why so many victims do not report. The default is to falsely accuse them of "lying."
@@c.g.bspendersashtray3037 It's not necessarily true. You should ask yourself why it happens though. Imagine you are a woman and your daughter tells you your husband SAed her. Your whole life would fall apart. You would have to doubt yourself and your capability of decision making, because you chose him as a husband. You would have to doubt your children, because they carry his genes. Your marriage would fail - the promise to go through everything together until death parts you. You would lose social and financial security of your partner. You would have to admit it to friends and family. Admit this ENORMOUS mistake. Very few people have the courage to do this and if you think you have, chances are you just don't know what you are talking about.
She's such a brave woman, an icon 👏
I was crying just now watching this video of Gisele's ordeal. Terrible!
Thank you Gisele Pelicot for your bravery in exposing these crimes.
Is that it 20 years shame its as bad as our law
Que la honte change de camp ... #NousSommesGisèle
So the husband started inviting the men in 2011, when she was 59 and they both retired? Sick.
Not sure why the age or being retired has anything to do with it…surely it’s sick whatever the age.
@@janheard3826 It's even more sick that she is old, it's like elderly abuse in addition to everything.
He was active well before, 1990s, maybe even involved in murder rape
Gross. 59. Where did he even find the dudes?
His crime lasted 9 years, at least make it 29 years in prison. Hopefully the laws in France for these kinds of crimes change. At least one good thing could come from such a heinous crime.
Hope she gets some rest and peace now ❤
She’s still alive.
@@superara1 I know, I mean I hope she has some rest now the trial is over.
What an amazingly brave woman. Wish she didn't have to go through all of this but im glad she was brave enough to push this crime.
France has produced a lot of sadist including the word sadism itself, coined to describe the sex life of Marquis de Sade.
De sade actually had a house in the village this happend. His family is from the provance. Bet he was an Inspiration for this guy
@@saltnpepper9693- Or any of the other THOUSANDS of cases of human trafficking and men raping women??
I think France should create a statue of her as a symbol of grace, courage, pride and strength
One the size of the Eiffel Tower
This is so shocking and sickening to know that the man she had stayed with for so long could betray her trust and violate her. Very proud of her for the courage and strength it took to come forward.
She's a boss! what a survivor !
She made each of them look her in the eyes, what an amazing woman.
I stand in support of Giselle from Canada. May she know peace, safety and joy, the rest of her days! God bless her!
50-100 local men! I can't even write down my feelings about those men as it fills with with so much anger.
I want to make this about Gisèle, what an incredible woman. As a women I applaud you for courage and strength! A woman to look up to, a true inspiration. I wish you much happiness and a peaceful life moving forward.
I see strong similarities between Gisele Pelicot and Rosa Parks. It's not just that it takes one person to stand against injustice and inhumanity, but it will require the masses to identify with the victim instead of implicitly supporting the system that victimizes. It will require society to place blame and shame on perpetrators not their victims, and it will not only need more victims to stand with Gisele and speak out, It will require millions of complacent men and women to activate their humanity in support of the victims rather than of social norms. Big ask, but it was a big ask before Rosa Parks said enough too.
Very pertinent connection
No comparison.
@kjhnsn7296 how so? or why not? both women stood up against systematic oppression. The biggest difference I see however, is that no crowds gathered to cheer for Rosa parks.
@@odalisque111 You believe a one off criminal transgression by a "troubled" husband is comparable to government supported systemic racism and oppression of an entire group of people? Seriously?
He said he grew bored after retirement. Can you imagine?!
Those crimes should lead to life imprisonment without parole. What's this 20 years s$!t? And 3 to 15 for the others? Pathetic.
My heart bleeds for this woman who so bravely brought the husband and all other men to justice.
The daughter defending her father - sweetheart your father is guilty in all the ways I can imagine: for manipulating you to show support for his crime, for betraying a woman who was obviously drugged and not participating and for not reporting this crime to the authorities. Your father is guilty of all that.
Only 20 years??? Wtf France!
20 years is too small for the crimes he did to his wife
only 20 years?!?!?!?!? give me a break!
Hearing people cheer for Gisèle is heartwarming. I hope she + her daughter find peace & get all the support they need to heal.
Gisèle is a hero. My heart is with her. Her courage is so admirable.
What an incredible woman and the other victims….truly horrendous in so many ways.
I love someone's comment.......shame has changed sides. about time.
It's lame, though. Women haven't been shamed for being abused in decades. In the West, I mean.
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw but they have felt asamed so often.And the have been treated bad by policeman and doctors and lawyers lots of times.So many woman don't go to the police because of feeling so ashamed.
Justice, Justice and even more Justice. Gisele, stay strong as ever. Happy for you.
He even took pictures of his Daughter?!! And daughter-in-law?!! What a disgusting monster.
"didn't rape her intentionally". How do you find yourself "not intentionally" going to someones house and raping unconscious woman there????!!!! His daughter should be ashamed!!!
To me rape also always meant something different. To me it always meant to use violence or threats of violence to force someone to have sex. I think there is actually a huge difference in forcing someone like that and drugging them first. Obviously these men are lying though to try and save themselves.
@@Rollmops94
But isn't drugging someone the exact same spirit of rape? Especially if you drug them so you don't HAVE to use violence. It amounts to the same thing,.
Shocked France?!! The case shocked the World!!!! This poor poor woman.
This is why i dont understand how most men get so defensive and quick to say "not all men." But in this case the men that chose not to rape Gisele; they knew what was happening - yet none reported it to the police. Someone in the comments said something about the 'toxic loyalty of men to men' and that is precisely the issue. Yes not all men harass women but they clearly aren't helping women either. They are staying silent. So yes it does sadly come down to 'ALL MEN' unless you are part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Most men hear 'all men' and get defensive. But truly what are you doing to not be part of the "all men" category? Staying silent means you are siding with the mens that do harass women. This truly horrific case should open everyones eyes.
Think it's more complicated than this. There's rape culture, which explains much of the silence. But there's something else here that's rarely mentioned. Men are constantly afraid of harm coming to their wives and daughters.: they clearly loathe rape. BUT, just as women can never completely trust men, men also have experienced the fact that you cannot completely trust women either. Women own the "meat package" industry, and men know this. They know that one misinterpreted move, and their lives can be ruined. Thus they are constantly in a state of anxiety about s-x.
The takeaway is, and just my theory, men maybe reluctant to join anti-violence marches, or speak out, because down deep they have the "false accusation" anxiety. Is this reaction all cultural, part of the rape culture patriarchal mindset? Or as Steven Pinker suggests in a different context, that mistrust is one of the biggest problems with human nature everywhere?
And one final point if I might. I have no doubt much of what you say is true. Many men stay silent. But, so do many women. Most women I know have not been activists, or participated in rallies or marches against se-ual violance either. Why should a man be more obligate than a woman to take action just because he has a pe-is?