I find it funny that people trust that a scientist can look at a planet 100 million light-years away and tell you what the atmosphere has on it. That isn't fact, that's an assumption.
I have the utmost respect for Cliffe. I just stumbled upon these videos a couple days ago and I get frustrated listening to these meatheads after a few minutes. He's been doing this for 30 years! His patience and love is convicting.
They got me with that lie about the lab creating life 20 years ago. Learning the truth behind that lie fundamentally change my world view. Thank Dr. James Tour for a detailed explanation. Even the laymen can say science could explain everything but it takes so much more scientific knowledge to know that science can't explain the beginning of life. There's no way to explain the work of James Tour to even a high school student. The person listening at least need to have taken Chemistry 101, but by then most students would already have their world view solidified.
I enjoy watching cliffe. He is an awesome man of God. He is one who strengthens and encourages in the body of Christ. Now, to enjoy the discussion, debate or meeting with awesome university students. Love hearing the bell.
After taking chemistry in high school, the consitensy of the mol equations with different elements combining together and having the same effects and not random ones pointed out to me the consisitency and organization in nature that can’t be ignored
Hebrews 1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
Wesley Dickens Please have some compassion Sir. You & I see it this way, but sincere disbelief is not the same as deliberate rebellion. The sooner judgemental self righteous patronising Christians recognise this, the better. No wonder Christians of this nature are not winning souls for Christ. It's truly awful, abusive & offensive. X
Cliffe could have just said "evidence huh? Evidence presupposes truth...where do you get truth without God?" Instead of giving the building demands a builder argument.
First he said "we've studied these planets and they have the same life sustaining environments as earth" ...HUH??? then he said " they're so far away we can't get to them"...HUH??? How can we possibly study something.....ah forget it!!! No one challenged him on his stupidity!!!
He just explained a drive in the universe that occurs in a setting where the right amounts of the right ingredients were placed there. So someone worked a lifetime or two to figure out what to put there and put it there. Then, they added something, like agitation and or heat, or sunlight. Simple. Where did those things all come from? How did they get there? By whose DESIGN ? What did he prove a controlled possibility of? Now, if he wanted cell division, he has to give the cell a design. Where is he going to get the design for the cell that could possibly come about someday? The experiment was actually a failure. And he wouldn't have the billions of years for all it's combinations that did not result in a single cell. It doesn't explain the explosion at the Cambrian era. It also doesn't explain why all the failed attempts are not evidenced along with the fossils that are present. There are no transitory life forms. It does not match the theory they were trying to prove. Instead, they showed him some eyewash. And he was wowed by it. So why did Jesus say, blessed is he who has not seen and has yet believed? Why did Jesus say, it is your faith that has made you well ?
That chemicals react with each other is not in dispute by anyone. Or even substances "self-organizing" to a very limited degree isn't disputed. Put oil and water in a blender and no matter how long or on how high a setting you run that blender, the oil and water will self-segregate as soon as you turn the blender off. There are other somewhat more sophisticated examples of matter self-organizing, like certain chemicals mixed together in a solution that turn from blue to red to blue to red, back and forth like a blinker. Various salt compounds form crystals, etc. But to get from such simple examples as these to even a protein, never mind a DNA or RNA molecule, double-never mind a living cell, is like thinking blowing up a pile of bricks enough times will cause them to sooner or later to land as a 5-star hotel, complete with guests and staff. Even billions of years of this will not get you any closer to the hotel, only the finest brick dust.
Matisse vandoorm? How were people created then? Who was josepheth? Where do you go when you die? Why do bad things happen to us? I would like to know these answers from you.
Even assuming the scientists the kid is talking about have accurately gauged the composition of the atmospheres of these far away planets, you need far far far FAR more than just the right atmospheric composition for life to be possible on any planet. There are hundreds, maybe by now thousands of characteristics of a planet and its environment for that planet to be a candidate to host life, with more discovered nearly every day. Here are just a very few off the top of my head, in no particular order: 1) Must be in the right kind of galaxy. Some are too close to other galaxies which cause a lot of gravitational interference. Even if they are in a good location, most galaxies are the wrong shape, elliptical or irregular. You need one that is a nice spiral. Enter: Milky Way... 2) The candidate planet (CP) needs to be in the right part of this spiral galaxy, away from the center to avoid the gravitational interference and the deadly collective radiation of the crowded phone booth of the central mass of stars. But too far out and the parent star won't be able to make enough heavy elements for planets. 3) The CP needs to be orbiting the right kind of star. Most are too big (too hot and unstable) and others are too small and weak. The parent star also cannot be part of a binary star system (which by itself eliminates an estimated 85% of all stars!) because that would destabilize the CP's orbit. 4) The CP needs to orbit this star within its habitable zone, which is pretty narrow. The sun's is just 90 to 100 million miles out, we're at 93. 5) The CP needs to be in the right kind of solar system. In particular, it needs neighbor planets that are near and large enough like Jupiter and Saturn (and thus with strong enough gravitational fields) to suck up any bloodthirsty marauding asteroids or comets that would otherwise hit the CP. But these larger planets also need to be small and/or far away enough that their gravitional fields don't interfere with the CP's orbit. 6) The CP needs to have a relatively large moon that helps to stabilize its orbit and create tidal effects that are significant enough to churn up enough nutrients from the ocean to the shore to make life possible in the intertidal zone, and by extension, elsewhere. 7) The CP needs to be the right size -- too large and the surface gravity would cause the atmosphere to be choked with ammonia and methane, and past a certain point its gravity makes it impossible for animals and plants to grow or even move. Too small and it can't hold an atmosphere at all. Note that Mars is not much smaller than earth and is thought to have once had a much thicker atmosphere. But Mars' gravity was too weak to hold its atmosphere against the solar wind so it has mostly leaked away. 8) The CP needs to be the right composition. Heavy elements are critical for life; thus gas giants need not apply. 9) The CP needs the right ratio of land and water surface area. 10) The CP needs have the right axial tilt relative to its plane of orbit to moderate climate. 11) The CP needs to rotate at the right speed -- too fast and the surface winds would make plant life, and thus animal life, impossible. Too slow and the nights would be too cold and days too hot. 12) The CP needs to have a crust that is just the right thickness. Too thick and there are no tectonic plates to resupply the surface with life-critical nutrients. Too thin and volcanoes dominate the surface. The difference between the two isn't much. Kenneth Boa and Robert Bowman put it this way: "Imagine a pizza restaurant needing to use sensitive equipment to ensure that their pizza crusts stayed between, say, 0.181 and 0.182 inches!" These are just a very few of hundreds of requirements for a life-friendly planet, but even this dozen by itself narrows down the field to such a degree as to make the average disaffected college student or sci-fan frown. Take all of the factors into account and planets with life of any kind, never mind intelligent life, are so few and far between that chances are pretty good that earth is the only game in town. Now this is not to say that for certain there is no other life out there, it's still quite possible and the Bible says nothing about it one way or the other. The point is to show how fragile are the conditions for life anywhere in the universe and that these things need to be studied in depth before making obtuse pronouncements about them as this kid has done.
The only reason we learn about the world and the universe is because we worship an awesome creator and we want to learn more about his operation. If there is no god and you have a limited time on this planet, whats the point? Go have fun!! It only makes sense to learn if there is an Ultimate God who created our reality.
9:23 Whose position does this support? If it is unlikely that this kind of planet to exist at all, and if there were/are many of them, does that not just decrease the probability of it forming by chance?
Anyone who thinks time + random chance can create life from rocks + water has no understanding of the fabulously complex factory operating inside of living cells. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. Darwin thought cells were simply the smallest building blocks from which all life evolved. The scientists of his day called it protoplasm. Living cells had nuclei (where DNA is stored), cell walls, and protoplasm - the magical elixir of life. Today we know better. Analogy: you walk into a forest and spot a tree on which is carved “Jonny & Mary”. You know immediately the tree did not grow oddly by chance. It is obvious there was a carver who left his mark! No one tries to imagine how improbable such a marking would be, and no one tries to calculate how long it would take nature to produce such a marking. This is 10 letters from a code called English, and it is extremely simple. It will disappear after the tree dies. It does not seek to replicate itself. It produces nothing. Yet some find it shameless to propose life could have formed simply by time & chance.
Nothing as defined by Aristotle is the "absence of anything" or "what rock's dream about" Scientists would never be able to create something out of nothing because anything they would use to create would exist inside a created universe.. which is something. Unless they can materialize something out of nothing, but how do you do that without having the materials to make something materialize? Outside of using your sheer Force of Will? Then you ARE using something tooooooo materialize something out of nothing. Which is a different process than how the universe came about. Space, Matter, Time which includes the Material needed to form stars, planets etc., materialized out of the absence of anything! What I never hear apologist like Cliff bring up is where did the materials come from that were in the Big Bang. Something created Space, Matter and Time. That Material had to come from somewhere. Did the material will itself into existence? Was it a Law of Physics? That is a crucial point in the argument I think is unfortunately missed. If the universe was created by a process of nothing, then the material used plus the laws of physics etc., to make it all work would of had to be put together in a way that everything does it's job out the gate like the inner workings of a Grandfather clock. How does nothing accomplish that? For me, God is the most plausible explanation that has the explanatory power needed to satisfy the requirements. God is the Author of space, matter and time. He is not made up of them. The Laws of Physics, which are more like observations, but do not explain cause, come from a Law Giver, God. This is a long post and I could go on longer, but I've listened to dozens of apologists and no one has ever brought up this point that I've seen.
@@TheSaiyanRace your point is exactly his point, God is the only plausible explanation on how something came from nothing, it cannot be explained aside from God, if people were able to understand it then you would have the knowledge and power of God, and hence, the mystery remains
@@ivandito Sure, we are saying the same thing in terms of causal power, but my point was an attempt to hone the argument even more. People who don't believe in God as a casual power typically only deal with the universe after the Big Bang took place in terms of explaining away God. If they do talk about causal power their arguments range from a universe generator to multiple universe's, but they still don't explain where the material came from to make the generator or universe. When arguing about something from nothing, I would like to see an apologist press someone of an opposing view in confronting that specific point as opposed to dancing around it. I like Cliff. He has a lot of good arguments. I'm only stressing my point because I've listened to apologists from John Lennox to William Lane Craig to NT Wright and many more. No one had ever pressed this point.
cliff should watch some Kent Hovind debates! he seems unprepared to deal with the evolution subject matter and he states that he agrees with the process of evolution except where it comes to ultimate origins. These kids keep bringing up the same objections to God taught in every college: evolution, cosmic evolution, probability certainties of life elsewhere, miller-urey experiments, etc. If evolution is true there is no need for a Creator!! That's being intellectually honest.
The fact is there is life after death. Jesus was able to raise Lazurus to life after 4 days. There is supernatural stuff. The world was formed through Jesus Christ see gospel of John Chapter 1. Sin has deformed us but Jesus came to transform the body, soul, and the spirit and our twisted minds too. see www.gotquestions.org
I wonder if atheists understand that by arguing against a Creator, they are admitting He exists? They fight so hard to deny the obvious- it makes one wonder why they don't just give up and stop denying Him.
At 23:40 Cliffe talks about Alexander Solzhenitsyn and says he placed his trust in Jesus Christ and converted to Christianity, I've not been able to find any link with Solzhenitsyn and Jesus Christ or Christianity. Certainly he mentioned God a few times in some of his writing, for all we know he could have meant any God ( there are plenty to choose from). I just watched his entire Harvard speech from 8th June 1978, and as far as I can recall, not once did he mention either Jesus or Christianity. I'm happy to be proved wrong if someone can find a quote from Solzhenitsyn where he mentions Jesus Christ and/or his thoughts on Jesus.
bonnie43uk Here's an interview he gave that I stumbled upon. I don't know if answers your question exactly. He does mention his faith though. Check it out. www.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/art/an-interview-with-alexander-solzhenitsyn.html
Charles B Thanks for that Charles, an interesting read. As I said, he doesn't mention Jesus or his conversion. He talks about God being multi-dimensional and every religion that exists on earth represents some side, or face of God, from that I would surmise he believes in a kind of deist God. When asked about the most important and defining moments of his life he says there are two..1. the army and 2. his arrest. You'd think if he was a committed Christian that Jesus and Christianity would be at the top of his list.
Charles B Perhaps Charles, It's just strange that he doesn't seem to mention Jesus Christ himself in any of his writings that I can find. That's not to say he didn't mention him, there could well be a book out there written by Solzhenitsyn which talks about Jesus and Christianity in great detail. He was a very complicated man who went through a lot of hardships during his life. His book "A day in the life of Ivan Denisovich" is a great book about the struggles in a Russian gulag camp which he experienced at first hand.
The problem lyes in our idea of what nothing is. Conceptually it’s very difficult to understand the universes idea of nothing. Math would prove that zero is not a number therefore it doesn’t exist, it’s a place holder something that makes math work for us. Just like trying to rationalize what “nothing” is in terms of what he’s talking about “nothing” is a rationalization for something we don’t understand scientifically, it’s a place holder.
What we understand as nothing might still be something. That something might be god it’s an intellectual coin toss. Just like infinite in math proves there is no ending mathematically we don’t know that it’s true there’s no ending. There are however mathematical sets of infinite...
This guy saying that other life “might” exist outside of carbon based life has no evidence to work with and there is not a single composed theory that supports the idea of noncarbon based life forms. In fact most evidence proves it improbable. So his argument about life not being balanced on a razors edge is bad.
Astrophysicist Dr Hugh Ross has published a book called "Improbable Planet". It should be mandatory reading for all university students. It details how practically every detail of our planet, solar system, Galaxy, and universe is needed to sustain our planet. It destroys the notion that there are multiple "earth-like" planets in our Galaxy that can produce and sustain life. This is a statement of ignorance.
this guy literally gives the same answer for why people believe in aliens, "the universe is so big". okay what's the best evidence there is other life or the possibility for life let alone advanced life? typically no answer in my experience, the problem is that the universe's size is a necessary thing in order for it to exist. hawkings knew this, hugh ross, lawrence krauss to name a few know this and the reason it has to be is that if the mass density of the start of the universe was any bigger or smaller than the whole thing would not exist, the range for that size had to be within the weight of a dime, or if you stretched a tape measure over the whole length of the universe and put gravity on a inch marker and it moved one inch one way or another than the whole does not exist. Reason if it's that much heavier than the universe doesn't expanded fast enough and it only forms black holes and neutron stars, to light it expands to fast and you never have any elements over iron forming because you need those early elements to form into stars and go through a life cycle bringing in heavier elements necessary for life.
Ivan Moreno According to Lawrence Krauss something can come from nothing even a universe because he says nothing is unstable! How is that logically possible..when something has to exist already to cause instability in the first place?? So Krauss' "nothing" is not nothing it is ACTUALLY something.
So the basic argument is that all those nobelprizewinners, the overwhelming professors and researchteams are just too 'overeducated' to see the simple truth that he can just... feel that all that is impossible.. No-one has ever disagreed that all this by chance are very low odds... but no-one describes it to 'just chance', there are forces involved and they explain that all the steps needed are, at least, possible and describeble in terms of our current understanding of the universe.
Charles B i dont think its ever even adressed in science, since it is unfalsifiable and wouldn't actually explain anything... but i don't know any that would state it to be impossible.
P.G. Burgess If one is being truly objective then all possibilities, however unlikely, should be acknowledged. Many in the scientific community due to their presuppositions will not recognize the possibility of a creator. I use to be an atheist myself and flat out rejected any creation model as nonsense. I'm an agnostic now and realize I wasn't being objective.
Charles B I think a lot of them would say a creation-model is useless (unfalsifiable and non-explenatory)... But can you give any reference of a scientist saying the can not consider such a model just a point blank? (Or as someone else worte here: 'out of spiritual biases') Perhaps, if you made that transition, you may be tempted (as most are these days) to see the terms as non-exclusive? Such as an agnostic atheist (or agnostic theist like cliff might be)? (Gnostics regarding the question of claiming knowlege - And Theisme that of 'practicle' believing a proposition).
P.G. Burgess When I was an atheist that's exactly how I thought. Every atheist friend of mine was exactly the same way. We always looked down on spirituality in general as a crutch. I mean it's not science after all was what I used to say. That was my attitude in a nutshell. I got that same vibe from most internet atheists I hung around as well as in various debates between atheists and theists. So I can't speak for the scientific community as a whole but I would wager that if they're are atheists then they tend to be biased against any type of theist option. There's always exceptions of course. And yes I guess I consider myself to be an agnostic theist. I don't really put a lot of weight into these terms personally.
The claims about the planets are invalid they r earth like not due to atmospheric attributes but to their positional placements within their solar systems
Antario Woods There is a whole range of parameters by which exoplanents are compared to earth.. so it depends on how earthlike you want them to be: wiki even has a good page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potentially_habitable_exoplanets
Antario Woods If those earth like planets, do not have life on them, surely this makes a nonsense of this guys claims that chance alone will produce a Sarah and an Antario on those planets, not only this, but a life form that suits that environment. seems to me we may need a designer, not a long timer.
I don’t think God makes something from nothing because God is not nothing. I think He creates from His essence, whatever that may be. What’s super interesting is String Theory. The Bible says He created the Universe by SPEAKING it into existence. That’s some kind of wavelengths, man!
In those 13.7 Billion years (gotta love the point-seven!), the universe started, allegedly had sufficient time to create AND destroy stars more productive than our own sun, then filled the universe with sufficient carbon to support the formation of living cells. Any idea how many such stars would be needed to create enough carbon for life? Humans represent only a tiny fraction of all living things, and there appears to be plenty of carbon not involved in any living thing. We can crudely estimate 8 Billion people x 10 Trillion cells/person x 4 Billion atoms of carbon/cell. We’re up to 3.2E+32. Add other life (all plants + animals) which represent 1000 times as much carbon as humans. Multiply by another million to estimate all carbon not involved in life. So we’re up to 3.2E+41. Now consider how vast space was 5 Billion years ago (according to cosmologists, this would be the earliest time to the first supernovae) and how it needed to be filled with at least 3.2E+41 atoms of carbon per earth-sized volume? I’d reckon about a trillion suns larger than our Sol would need to have gone supernova to accomplish the task. Evidence suggests no such thing happened. Instead, all of the necessary carbon would have been created in the Big Bang, when the density of the young universe would have been so great, not even light would have escaped its gravity distortion.
Another possibility is carbon creation occurs at the center of the earth. That is, pressure so great nuclear fusion is taking place - even today! We don’t really know what’s at the core of our own planet, let alone the cores of other planets.
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Man you assume slithers. Did you see the formation? Speculation is not intelligent when verification is not possible. You are arguing from possibilities not actual events. Symbiotic relationships are common, you miss intense evidence.
Every single one of these students walk away from these talks, gets back into their indoctrination station with their evolution priests and completely have their faith deteriorated. That's the sad part
The Lord has not left us to ourselves to Figure it all out! True, we have discovered much with God’s help. Yet, we don’t know everything. Be careful not to make the Bible say more than it does. The issue I have with evolution is not that God could have used that process but but that evolutionists do not acknowledge that God is behind the force behind the process.
Atheist try to use science to argue against God, but yet show more and more that there is a intelligent designer. Their argument backfires on them every time
1.30 So he is saying that if you can take non life and produce life he is ok with? really so if you removed the scientists and replace them with a pre life earth and let them non life produce life in EXACTLY the same way then a creator is not necessary! He is very clever, but uses it to win debates at the cost of honesty.
A closed environment with outside influence introduced is evidence That God does one exist. How did the Elements evolve by chance? One element cannot come together or form without influence. You guys are washed. Get with the question.
@@jackalsgate1146 it's all up to interpretation, for me to say that matter can't create the spirit would make me look arrogant since we both can't prove it. By using my finite brain it is more reasonable to assume that the spirit came before matter and energy, we theists believe that God/spirit resides outside of time and space meaning a different dimension.
@@JohnjOcampo Matter is eternal. It cannot be created or destroyed. Spirit is eternal it cannot be created or destroyed. Like is known unto like. Matter gives rise to matter. Spirit gives rise to spirit. Spirit cannot create matter. Matter cannot create spirit. If you want to say that spirit creates matter; then, I would be justified in saying, matter creates spirit.
@@jackalsgate1146 exactly we are each individuals who try to make sense of reality, for me creation from a creator makes sense and for you chance and possibilities makes sense. Life comes from life makes sense to me while life comes from non-life makes sense to you, we can then discuss it and maybe find out who's right or wrong. According to studies 7% of the world's population are atheist, either the majority of the world cannot come to grasps with the concept of there being nothing after death or 7% of the population reject their creator because they want to do things their way.
bonnie43uk If you applied the same amount of doubt & questioning to your own worldview, then you would go much further. It is very easy to question someone else's worldview but very hard to question one's own worldview. If you questioned your own worldview, then you would come to see the legitimacy of a Christian Theistic worldview. The problem is though, is that, you don't really want to. So, it is not an issue of reason & logic but an issue of what you want. If there really is No God & No Immortality, then life would end at the grave for everyone. Period. That would be the end. So, if you and everyone else are heading for the grave, then nothing anyone believes & does in this life will change & alter that final destination. Therefore, why would it matter beyond your own opinion what anyone believes & does in this life ? I have never heard or read a substantial or adequate answer from any atheist or agnostic on that.
TheMirabillis Hi again Mirabillis, always good to hear your views. I'm sure we've spoken about this in our previous discussions. I don't know what happens after our hearts stop beating and our brains cease to function. From all the evidence I've heard, that's it.. as you say, life ends at the grave. Period. I can see for you, and a lot of other people, that sounds a pretty depressing thought, you would like your life to go on in some other afterlife. I can see that has a certain appeal. But the truth is, nobody knows for certain. Mankind has made up stories of the afterlife for thousands of years, every single civilization I'm aware of has invented stories via their culture of some type of afterlife, but I think these's stories are just mankinds inquisitiveness of not knowing ,so stories emerge .. the people who lived before you on the land in North America, the Indian tribes all had their own beliefs about the afterlife.. read up about it. What did they know about Jesus Christ or the God of the Old Testament?.. absolutely nothing. But as far as you saying "what does it matter"?, I believe religion has done a lot of harm throughout history, millions upon millions of people have suffered horrible deaths, there is a war going on in the middle east as we speak and people are being killed and tortured in the name of a holy book. Hitler had a massive disliking for the Jews as you know, I don't need to tell you what he did to them. To make it even worse for those Jews, the Nazi SS guards had written on their belt buckles the words "God is with us". Coming back to today, in your country many gay people are made to feel guilty for loving a person of the same gender.. this is all down to what the bible says. There is much wrong with biblical teachings, I believe it's wrong and it stifles human progress. You don't need God to be moral. Christianity had a very negative effect on my own life, so maybe that's why I'm so vocal about it. It matters to me that future generations aren't taught false teachings as I see it. Ireland voted to allow gay marriages 2 weeks ago, so things are getting better and we are moving in the right direction I believe. Prejudice and discrimination are bad things in society. 100-200 years ago black people and women weren't given the same rights as men, wouldn't you say society is gradually getting better? It's not a perfect world by any means, because of over population and a depletion in resources mankind will always struggle. Because I am going to die at some point doesn't negate my responsibility to future generations to try and leave the planet for them in a decent condition.
bonnie43uk You wrote…. // I believe religion has done a lot of harm throughout history, millions upon millions of people have suffered horrible deaths, there is a war going on in the middle east as we speak and people are being killed and tortured in the name of a holy book. // You also further gave 'your opinions' regarding morality on different issues. However, nothing you said got the crux of what I said… So, if you and everyone else are heading for the grave, then nothing anyone believes & does in this life will change & alter that final destination. Therefore, why would it matter beyond your own opinion what anyone believes & does in this life ?
TheMirabillis I am a human being and I care about the species. Personally, I don't have any siblings, but I've got nephews and nieces, and I'd like them to live in a future world that isn't trashed. Even though I won't be here, the lives of future generations matters to me as I'd like to think their generation will have a better understanding of life. Does that not make sense to you Mirabillis?, it makes sense to me.
bonnie43uk YOU are telling me about what is important to YOU and what YOU value. Someone else could tell me about what is important to THEM and what THEY value. However, why would it matter beyond YOUR "own opinions & preferences" what anyone believes & does in this life ?
TheMirabillis Hey Mirabillis. I'll keep my answer short and sweet. As an agnostic I basically agree and have no rebuttal...lol. It doesn't matter in an ultimate sense.
If there is no God, then I guess I can just live my life how I want and if I feel like it kill millions of innocent people, heck I might even be the next Hitler and expect no consequences when I die because I am an accident. but what wait a second, I have a conscience and when I approach these means of action it not only scares me but there is something internal that tells me to stop! now a conscience to guide barriers to have life of a human being live on this earth, there is intention to that! takes more faith to believe that all this is a result of chance, its too intricate and honestly I believe you would have to be a naïve person to not think an outside standard created those boundaries. just imagine if stop signs didn't mean stop for everyone! when someone breaks the law runs through a stop sign you might get into an accident. Chaos breaks through when order is not kept. cliff talks about precision in our atmosphere, a little closer to the sun we would all fry!. There is something more. and the evidence even though we may not fully understand due to our finite minds still points to Jesus being that standard!
Alexandar Ostojic Because I object to people acting like Hitler. I have empathy and can tell how nasty that would be for people. I don't believe in a celestial dictator who commands love at the threat of an eternity in hell, that would be worse IMHO than anything Hitler did on earth!
170221dn Hahahaha you sound so stupid man, I am sorry to tell you that. Common use your brain a little. Where did you get the term "celestial dictator" from? Richard Dawkins or some other moron like that? The fact that you even speak like that shows you dont have a faintest idea of what you are talking about
Alexandar Ostojic It was actually Christopher Hitchens. Tell me, if you were in Nazi Germany and spoke out against the regime you could get in to trouble am I right? So with your god, if you just THINK anything that he doesn't like you are in trouble right?
170221dn No, not correct. God's law is not for his benefit or because he wants his ego stroked, no. God's law is in place because it benefits us. It benefits us if we follow it, it benefits us if we worship him, it benefits us if we follow him. He is the best thing in the universe. So a good,loving and a personal God would shine the light on the best thing there is, right. Whats the best thing? HE IS! He is the God who gave you life, but he did not give you life so you can go murder, degrade, hate or lie to another person. God does not take pleasure in punishing wicked people despite what atheists like to believe. God is a perfect,loving and caring being, there is not 1 ounce of evil in him. He can not do evil. Consider how kind, loving and forgiving he is that he sent his only son to die so that our evil can be forgiven through him dying on a cross. If you have done no evil in your life then you dont need his forgiveness and you are good to go. BUT if you have lied,blasphemed his name,hated, stolen,committed adultery and so on, you are in desperate need of his forgiveness for the evil you have done. Because Jesus Christ is perfect and sinless and died for us he can grant you forgiveness if you repent of your evil doings and turn to him, he promises you he will forgive and grant you internal peace of the soul and mind, and after your death you will be with him in Heaven for eternity.This is his PROMISE to you, and Jesus Christ does not lie. But if you choose to reject Jesus, you are rejecting God's mercy and love and you will answer for your crimes against God and the evil you committed in your life, and if you are guilty, and I assume you are, just like 99.9999% of the world is you will be judged for it, and if you are found guilty of sin you can not be in the presence of God. In other words he is not sending anybody to Hell. People are sending themselves there and God is trying to save you through Jesus. He is offering you and me a gift of eternal life which we sooo do not deserve.
How? It's basic logic. Design always requires a designer. There's not a single instance from observation that design came about by chance. It's a giant leap of faith to believe the universe is any different. Even in the absence of religion, you still can't rule out the possibility of a creator.
@@berane8909 Cant rule out Zeus either. Just empty assertions. Cliffe says he is convinced of this and that doesn't make it true. He says 15billions years is a small amount of time.
@@dperkins01 Apologetics is a desperate attempt by theists to reach out to nontheists. Persuading you to believe in something that is beyond your grasp, that is irrational using merely logic, will only lead you into schizophrenia and depression. You can only come to know God through an encounter with his Spirit and a personal relationship. Jesus said, "if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him?" [Luke 11:13] Ask the Father in the name of the Lord Jesus to give you his Holy Spirit.
I find it funny that people trust that a scientist can look at a planet 100 million light-years away and tell you what the atmosphere has on it. That isn't fact, that's an assumption.
My guy! Follow you on tiktok, keep up the powerful preaching & great work! Christ is pleased 🫂❤️
I have the utmost respect for Cliffe. I just stumbled upon these videos a couple days ago and I get frustrated listening to these meatheads after a few minutes. He's been doing this for 30 years! His patience and love is convicting.
Gotta love the 1:30 mark when the music slowly creeps in and gets louder as Cliffe cooks
This guys just doesn't give up.GO CLIFF!
matisse vandoorn That Comment is as valid as me saying youre an idiot you dont exist
You don't block you comment section well I at least respect that. Too many people block comment sections.
I'll watch everything Cliffe puts out...pure gold.
Thank you Cliff!! You are very articulate and i am learning and joying your videos very much. God bless
They got me with that lie about the lab creating life 20 years ago. Learning the truth behind that lie fundamentally change my world view. Thank Dr. James Tour for a detailed explanation. Even the laymen can say science could explain everything but it takes so much more scientific knowledge to know that science can't explain the beginning of life. There's no way to explain the work of James Tour to even a high school student. The person listening at least need to have taken Chemistry 101, but by then most students would already have their world view solidified.
Thankyou Cliffe...you continue to help me on this path greatly. God bless you and your family.🙂🙏
Please come to the University of North Texas. We certainly need a speaker like you.
I enjoy watching cliffe. He is an awesome man of God. He is one who strengthens and encourages in the body of Christ. Now, to enjoy the discussion, debate or meeting with awesome university students. Love hearing the bell.
Caveboy here doesn't quite get it
Someone had to do it or someone had to put it there
And he keep saying they put the amino acids together
This was my favorite episode I've listened to. RUclips recommend your channel about a month ago to me and im very grateful.
After taking chemistry in high school, the consitensy of the mol equations with different elements combining together and having the same effects and not random ones pointed out to me the consisitency and organization in nature that can’t be ignored
Wonderful concept! Love the talk about having a designer!
"We found" speak for yourself dude, i didn't found anything outside of earth lol.
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i love Cliffe
+matisse vandoorn Man, I would love to see you go against him, I would just love to see you stand up there.
matisse vandoorn Triggered
Hebrews 1
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
people will believe anything to justify rejecting the GOD they know must exist and continue in sin.
truth
I don't need to prove GOD. HE has proven HIMSELF. Now get over your emotional temper tantrum and open your eyes and ears to what GOD has to show you.
Prove that life came from non life with no creator.
Wesley Dickens Please have some compassion Sir. You & I see it this way, but sincere disbelief is not the same as deliberate rebellion. The sooner judgemental self righteous patronising Christians recognise this, the better. No wonder Christians of this nature are not winning souls for Christ. It's truly awful, abusive & offensive. X
This dude is blowing smoke about other planets.
Cliffe could have just said "evidence huh? Evidence presupposes truth...where do you get truth without God?" Instead of giving the building demands a builder argument.
The primordial uuze.
First he said "we've studied these planets and they have the same life sustaining environments as earth" ...HUH??? then he said " they're so far away we can't get to them"...HUH??? How can we possibly study something.....ah forget it!!! No one challenged him on his stupidity!!!
He just explained a drive in the universe that occurs in a setting where the right amounts of the right ingredients were placed there.
So someone worked a lifetime or two to figure out what to put there and put it there. Then, they added something, like agitation and or heat, or sunlight.
Simple.
Where did those things all come from?
How did they get there?
By whose DESIGN ?
What did he prove a controlled possibility of?
Now, if he wanted cell division, he has to give the cell a design.
Where is he going to get the design for the cell that could possibly come about someday?
The experiment was actually a failure.
And he wouldn't have the billions of years for all it's combinations that did not result in a single cell.
It doesn't explain the explosion at the Cambrian era.
It also doesn't explain why all the failed attempts are not evidenced along with the fossils that are present. There are no transitory life forms.
It does not match the theory they were trying to prove.
Instead, they showed him some eyewash.
And he was wowed by it.
So why did Jesus say, blessed is he who has not seen and has yet believed?
Why did Jesus say, it is your faith that has made you well ?
Where can i send questions? I have some questions i want to ask and i cant fly to Connecticut
That chemicals react with each other is not in dispute by anyone. Or even substances "self-organizing" to a very limited degree isn't disputed. Put oil and water in a blender and no matter how long or on how high a setting you run that blender, the oil and water will self-segregate as soon as you turn the blender off.
There are other somewhat more sophisticated examples of matter self-organizing, like certain chemicals mixed together in a solution that turn from blue to red to blue to red, back and forth like a blinker. Various salt compounds form crystals, etc.
But to get from such simple examples as these to even a protein, never mind a DNA or RNA molecule, double-never mind a living cell, is like thinking blowing up a pile of bricks enough times will cause them to sooner or later to land as a 5-star hotel, complete with guests and staff. Even billions of years of this will not get you any closer to the hotel, only the finest brick dust.
It NEVER fails to amuse me that some people will believe in ANYTHING else JUST because they don't want to be ACCOUNTABLE to God!!
Bingo!
Matisse vandoorm? How were people created then? Who was josepheth? Where do you go when you die? Why do bad things happen to us? I would like to know these answers from you.
Even assuming the scientists the kid is talking about have accurately gauged the composition of the atmospheres of these far away planets, you need far far far FAR more than just the right atmospheric composition for life to be possible on any planet. There are hundreds, maybe by now thousands of characteristics of a planet and its environment for that planet to be a candidate to host life, with more discovered nearly every day.
Here are just a very few off the top of my head, in no particular order:
1) Must be in the right kind of galaxy. Some are too close to other galaxies which cause a lot of gravitational interference. Even if they are in a good location, most galaxies are the wrong shape, elliptical or irregular. You need one that is a nice spiral. Enter: Milky Way...
2) The candidate planet (CP) needs to be in the right part of this spiral galaxy, away from the center to avoid the gravitational interference and the deadly collective radiation of the crowded phone booth of the central mass of stars. But too far out and the parent star won't be able to make enough heavy elements for planets.
3) The CP needs to be orbiting the right kind of star. Most are too big (too hot and unstable) and others are too small and weak. The parent star also cannot be part of a binary star system (which by itself eliminates an estimated 85% of all stars!) because that would destabilize the CP's orbit.
4) The CP needs to orbit this star within its habitable zone, which is pretty narrow. The sun's is just 90 to 100 million miles out, we're at 93.
5) The CP needs to be in the right kind of solar system. In particular, it needs neighbor planets that are near and large enough like Jupiter and Saturn (and thus with strong enough gravitational fields) to suck up any bloodthirsty marauding asteroids or comets that would otherwise hit the CP. But these larger planets also need to be small and/or far away enough that their gravitional fields don't interfere with the CP's orbit.
6) The CP needs to have a relatively large moon that helps to stabilize its orbit and create tidal effects that are significant enough to churn up enough nutrients from the ocean to the shore to make life possible in the intertidal zone, and by extension, elsewhere.
7) The CP needs to be the right size -- too large and the surface gravity would cause the atmosphere to be choked with ammonia and methane, and past a certain point its gravity makes it impossible for animals and plants to grow or even move. Too small and it can't hold an atmosphere at all. Note that Mars is not much smaller than earth and is thought to have once had a much thicker atmosphere. But Mars' gravity was too weak to hold its atmosphere against the solar wind so it has mostly leaked away.
8) The CP needs to be the right composition. Heavy elements are critical for life; thus gas giants need not apply.
9) The CP needs the right ratio of land and water surface area.
10) The CP needs have the right axial tilt relative to its plane of orbit to moderate climate.
11) The CP needs to rotate at the right speed -- too fast and the surface winds would make plant life, and thus animal life, impossible. Too slow and the nights would be too cold and days too hot.
12) The CP needs to have a crust that is just the right thickness. Too thick and there are no tectonic plates to resupply the surface with life-critical nutrients. Too thin and volcanoes dominate the surface. The difference between the two isn't much. Kenneth Boa and Robert Bowman put it this way: "Imagine a pizza restaurant needing to use sensitive equipment to ensure that their pizza crusts stayed between, say, 0.181 and 0.182 inches!"
These are just a very few of hundreds of requirements for a life-friendly planet, but even this dozen by itself narrows down the field to such a degree as to make the average disaffected college student or sci-fan frown. Take all of the factors into account and planets with life of any kind, never mind intelligent life, are so few and far between that chances are pretty good that earth is the only game in town.
Now this is not to say that for certain there is no other life out there, it's still quite possible and the Bible says nothing about it one way or the other. The point is to show how fragile are the conditions for life anywhere in the universe and that these things need to be studied in depth before making obtuse pronouncements about them as this kid has done.
The only reason we learn about the world and the universe is because we worship an awesome creator and we want to learn more about his operation. If there is no god and you have a limited time on this planet, whats the point? Go have fun!! It only makes sense to learn if there is an Ultimate God who created our reality.
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Whose position does this support? If it is unlikely that this kind of planet to exist at all, and if there were/are many of them, does that not just decrease the probability of it forming by chance?
Anyone who thinks time + random chance can create life from rocks + water has no understanding of the fabulously complex factory operating inside of living cells. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. Darwin thought cells were simply the smallest building blocks from which all life evolved. The scientists of his day called it protoplasm. Living cells had nuclei (where DNA is stored), cell walls, and protoplasm - the magical elixir of life. Today we know better.
Analogy: you walk into a forest and spot a tree on which is carved “Jonny & Mary”. You know immediately the tree did not grow oddly by chance. It is obvious there was a carver who left his mark! No one tries to imagine how improbable such a marking would be, and no one tries to calculate how long it would take nature to produce such a marking. This is 10 letters from a code called English, and it is extremely simple. It will disappear after the tree dies. It does not seek to replicate itself. It produces nothing. Yet some find it shameless to propose life could have formed simply by time & chance.
I wish he would come to D.C or Virginia
"I would love to see a scientist with nothing, here nothing, make something, I don't think that's possible"
they will say you will see the result in a few million years *Sighs
Nothing as defined by Aristotle is the "absence of anything" or "what rock's dream about"
Scientists would never be able to create something out of nothing because anything they would use to create would exist inside a created universe.. which is something.
Unless they can materialize something out of nothing, but how do you do that without having the materials to make something materialize? Outside of using your sheer Force of Will? Then you ARE using something tooooooo materialize something out of nothing. Which is a different process than how the universe came about. Space, Matter, Time which includes the Material needed to form stars, planets etc., materialized out of the absence of anything!
What I never hear apologist like Cliff bring up is where did the materials come from that were in the Big Bang. Something created Space, Matter and Time. That Material had to come from somewhere. Did the material will itself into existence? Was it a Law of Physics?
That is a crucial point in the argument I think is unfortunately missed. If the universe was created by a process of nothing, then the material used plus the laws of physics etc., to make it all work would of had to be put together in a way that everything does it's job out the gate like the inner workings of a Grandfather clock. How does nothing accomplish that?
For me, God is the most plausible explanation that has the explanatory power needed to satisfy the requirements.
God is the Author of space, matter and time. He is not made up of them. The Laws of Physics, which are more like observations, but do not explain cause, come from a Law Giver, God.
This is a long post and I could go on longer, but I've listened to dozens of apologists and no one has ever brought up this point that I've seen.
@@TheSaiyanRace your point is exactly his point, God is the only plausible explanation on how something came from nothing, it cannot be explained aside from God, if people were able to understand it then you would have the knowledge and power of God, and hence, the mystery remains
@@ivandito Sure, we are saying the same thing in terms of causal power, but my point was an attempt to hone the argument even more.
People who don't believe in God as a casual power typically only deal with the universe after the Big Bang took place in terms of explaining away God.
If they do talk about causal power their arguments range from a universe generator to multiple universe's, but they still don't explain where the material came from to make the generator or universe.
When arguing about something from nothing, I would like to see an apologist press someone of an opposing view in confronting that specific point as opposed to dancing around it.
I like Cliff. He has a lot of good arguments. I'm only stressing my point because I've listened to apologists from John Lennox to William Lane Craig to NT Wright and many more.
No one had ever pressed this point.
cliff should watch some Kent Hovind debates! he seems unprepared to deal with the evolution subject matter and he states that he agrees with the process of evolution except where it comes to ultimate origins. These kids keep bringing up the same objections to God taught in every college: evolution, cosmic evolution, probability certainties of life elsewhere, miller-urey experiments, etc. If evolution is true there is no need for a Creator!! That's being intellectually honest.
This guy trying ti find the most craziest question to ask Cliffe to send him crazy when your stubborn your stubborn
The fact is there is life after death. Jesus was able to raise Lazurus to life after 4 days. There is supernatural stuff. The world was formed through Jesus Christ see gospel of John Chapter 1. Sin has deformed us but Jesus came to transform the body, soul, and the spirit and our twisted minds too. see www.gotquestions.org
Frank Turek always the uses the John Loves Mary example.
My boy CADE!
Certain chemicals coming together? That defeats the whole argument of life happening from nothing.
I wonder if atheists understand that by arguing against a Creator, they are admitting He exists? They fight so hard to deny the obvious- it makes one wonder why they don't just give up and stop denying Him.
Some people just dont want God to exist...
Oh no! Cliffe is going all Ray Comfort on this dude!
At 23:40 Cliffe talks about Alexander Solzhenitsyn and says he placed his trust in Jesus Christ and converted to Christianity, I've not been able to find any link with Solzhenitsyn and Jesus Christ or Christianity. Certainly he mentioned God a few times in some of his writing, for all we know he could have meant any God ( there are plenty to choose from). I just watched his entire Harvard speech from 8th June 1978, and as far as I can recall, not once did he mention either Jesus or Christianity. I'm happy to be proved wrong if someone can find a quote from Solzhenitsyn where he mentions Jesus Christ and/or his thoughts on Jesus.
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Here's an interview he gave that I stumbled upon. I don't know if answers your question exactly. He does mention his faith though. Check it out.
www.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/art/an-interview-with-alexander-solzhenitsyn.html
Charles B Thanks for that Charles, an interesting read. As I said, he doesn't mention Jesus or his conversion. He talks about God being multi-dimensional and every religion that exists on earth represents some side, or face of God, from that I would surmise he believes in a kind of deist God.
When asked about the most important and defining moments of his life he says there are two..1. the army and 2. his arrest. You'd think if he was a committed Christian that Jesus and Christianity would be at the top of his list.
bonnie43uk
I'm pretty sure he was Russian Orthodox. I've read that in a few places.
Charles B Perhaps Charles, It's just strange that he doesn't seem to mention Jesus Christ himself in any of his writings that I can find. That's not to say he didn't mention him, there could well be a book out there written by Solzhenitsyn which talks about Jesus and Christianity in great detail. He was a very complicated man who went through a lot of hardships during his life. His book "A day in the life of Ivan Denisovich" is a great book about the struggles in a Russian gulag camp which he experienced at first hand.
bonnie43uk
Oh yea this guy definitely experienced a hard life no doubt. Very interesting.
YES FINALLY!!!
The problem lyes in our idea of what nothing is. Conceptually it’s very difficult to understand the universes idea of nothing. Math would prove that zero is not a number therefore it doesn’t exist, it’s a place holder something that makes math work for us. Just like trying to rationalize what “nothing” is in terms of what he’s talking about “nothing” is a rationalization for something we don’t understand scientifically, it’s a place holder.
What we understand as nothing might still be something. That something might be god it’s an intellectual coin toss. Just like infinite in math proves there is no ending mathematically we don’t know that it’s true there’s no ending. There are however mathematical sets of infinite...
This guy saying that other life “might” exist outside of carbon based life has no evidence to work with and there is not a single composed theory that supports the idea of noncarbon based life forms. In fact most evidence proves it improbable. So his argument about life not being balanced on a razors edge is bad.
Those planets do not exist.
Astrophysicist Dr Hugh Ross has published a book called "Improbable Planet". It should be mandatory reading for all university students. It details how practically every detail of our planet, solar system, Galaxy, and universe is needed to sustain our planet. It destroys the notion that there are multiple "earth-like" planets in our Galaxy that can produce and sustain life. This is a statement of ignorance.
this guy literally gives the same answer for why people believe in aliens, "the universe is so big". okay what's the best evidence there is other life or the possibility for life let alone advanced life? typically no answer in my experience, the problem is that the universe's size is a necessary thing in order for it to exist. hawkings knew this, hugh ross, lawrence krauss to name a few know this and the reason it has to be is that if the mass density of the start of the universe was any bigger or smaller than the whole thing would not exist, the range for that size had to be within the weight of a dime, or if you stretched a tape measure over the whole length of the universe and put gravity on a inch marker and it moved one inch one way or another than the whole does not exist. Reason if it's that much heavier than the universe doesn't expanded fast enough and it only forms black holes and neutron stars, to light it expands to fast and you never have any elements over iron forming because you need those early elements to form into stars and go through a life cycle bringing in heavier elements necessary for life.
Is there any earth like life on these earth like planet's?
Are those planet's older than Earth?
kinda feel like, here's nothing, make something
Ivan Moreno According to Lawrence Krauss something can come from nothing even a universe because he says nothing is unstable!
How is that logically possible..when something has to exist already to cause instability in the first place??
So Krauss' "nothing" is not nothing it is ACTUALLY something.
Krauss is intellectually dishonest
So the basic argument is that all those nobelprizewinners, the overwhelming professors and researchteams are just too 'overeducated' to see the simple truth that he can just... feel that all that is impossible..
No-one has ever disagreed that all this by chance are very low odds... but no-one describes it to 'just chance', there are forces involved and they explain that all the steps needed are, at least, possible and describeble in terms of our current understanding of the universe.
P.G. Burgess
Do all these 'people' that you're referring to acknowledge the possibility of a creator?
Charles B i dont think its ever even adressed in science, since it is unfalsifiable and wouldn't actually explain anything... but i don't know any that would state it to be impossible.
P.G. Burgess
If one is being truly objective then all possibilities, however unlikely, should be acknowledged. Many in the scientific community due to their presuppositions will not recognize the possibility of a creator. I use to be an atheist myself and flat out rejected any creation model as nonsense. I'm an agnostic now and realize I wasn't being objective.
Charles B I think a lot of them would say a creation-model is useless (unfalsifiable and non-explenatory)... But can you give any reference of a scientist saying the can not consider such a model just a point blank? (Or as someone else worte here: 'out of spiritual biases')
Perhaps, if you made that transition, you may be tempted (as most are these days) to see the terms as non-exclusive? Such as an agnostic atheist (or agnostic theist like cliff might be)? (Gnostics regarding the question of claiming knowlege - And Theisme that of 'practicle' believing a proposition).
P.G. Burgess
When I was an atheist that's exactly how I thought. Every atheist friend of mine was exactly the same way. We always looked down on spirituality in general as a crutch. I mean it's not science after all was what I used to say. That was my attitude in a nutshell. I got that same vibe from most internet atheists I hung around as well as in various debates between atheists and theists. So I can't speak for the scientific community as a whole but I would wager that if they're are atheists then they tend to be biased against any type of theist option. There's always exceptions of course. And yes I guess I consider myself to be an agnostic theist. I don't really put a lot of weight into these terms personally.
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The claims about the planets are invalid they r earth like not due to atmospheric attributes but to their positional placements within their solar systems
Its called the godly locks zone anf there r 2 of them
Antario Woods There is a whole range of parameters by which exoplanents are compared to earth.. so it depends on how earthlike you want them to be: wiki even has a good page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potentially_habitable_exoplanets
Antario Woods If those earth like planets, do not have life on them, surely this makes a nonsense of this guys claims that chance alone will produce a Sarah and an Antario on those planets, not only this, but a life form that suits that environment. seems to me we may need a designer, not a long timer.
He’s good but to correct him on one part it’s not love neighbors as you love yourself but “love your neighbor as JESUS loved us”
I don’t think God makes something from nothing because God is not nothing. I think He creates from His essence, whatever that may be. What’s super interesting is String Theory. The Bible says He created the Universe by SPEAKING it into existence. That’s some kind of wavelengths, man!
Very clever point that you've made, surely others have thought of that too. First time I've heard it.
15:15 - wait, I thought you can't prove anything...
Having a few chemicals dancing around each other, is a long way away from life.
Dark matter what are you the Flash ?
This guy could be standing before God and say: I’m sorry I just don’t want to believe that you exist, it goes against my way of living.
And where's the "evidence" that the universe is 15 billion years old?🤔
How on... My answers still evolving.. But I know it's fact. 😂
In those 13.7 Billion years (gotta love the point-seven!), the universe started, allegedly had sufficient time to create AND destroy stars more productive than our own sun, then filled the universe with sufficient carbon to support the formation of living cells. Any idea how many such stars would be needed to create enough carbon for life? Humans represent only a tiny fraction of all living things, and there appears to be plenty of carbon not involved in any living thing.
We can crudely estimate 8 Billion people x 10 Trillion cells/person x 4 Billion atoms of carbon/cell. We’re up to 3.2E+32. Add other life (all plants + animals) which represent 1000 times as much carbon as humans. Multiply by another million to estimate all carbon not involved in life. So we’re up to 3.2E+41.
Now consider how vast space was 5 Billion years ago (according to cosmologists, this would be the earliest time to the first supernovae) and how it needed to be filled with at least 3.2E+41 atoms of carbon per earth-sized volume? I’d reckon about a trillion suns larger than our Sol would need to have gone supernova to accomplish the task. Evidence suggests no such thing happened. Instead, all of the necessary carbon would have been created in the Big Bang, when the density of the young universe would have been so great, not even light would have escaped its gravity distortion.
Another possibility is carbon creation occurs at the center of the earth. That is, pressure so great nuclear fusion is taking place - even today! We don’t really know what’s at the core of our own planet, let alone the cores of other planets.
" In the "Name of the Father " "The Son "And The " HOLY Spirit " to me and Millions of other thinking people, Has the Meaning, In the" Name of " In Recognition of the Father the Creator Life Giver ,As a FATHER ! The" SON" Is JESUS Christ, Recognizing His Role as The Saviour and Redeemer of Mankind ,John 3:16 "GOD GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON " AND THE HOLY SPIRIT? IN Recognition of the Most Powerful Force in the Universe that the FATHER Uses to Accomplish His Purpose, In Creation ,in Anointing JESUS as the MESSIAH ,establishing the The Congregation Acts chapter 1and 2 They receive Power to Preach and gain Courage to Carry The message to the world! GODS KINGDOM IN THE HANDS OF HIS SON !
"The evidence for God is: design demands a designer." Who designed the designer? Self-refuting statement.
An uncaused cause, or else there’s an infinite regression which doesn’t make sense. That’s the idea of God being eternal
Which is why we believe God is eternal and was not created.
Am convinced that people would believing anything other than Bible and Jesus Christ. Anything other that doesn't affect the life right?
Man you assume slithers. Did you see the formation?
Speculation is not intelligent when verification is not possible.
You are arguing from possibilities not actual events.
Symbiotic relationships are common, you miss intense evidence.
Jesus Christ Lord 👑🙏Maranatha
Every single one of these students walk away from these talks, gets back into their indoctrination station with their evolution priests and completely have their faith deteriorated. That's the sad part
The Lord has not left us to ourselves to Figure it all out! True, we have discovered much with God’s help. Yet, we don’t know everything. Be careful not to make the Bible say more than it does. The issue I have with evolution is not that God could have used that process but but that evolutionists do not acknowledge that God is behind the force behind the process.
Why ppl hav a hard time believing theres a God
Atheist try to use science to argue against God, but yet show more and more that there is a intelligent designer. Their argument backfires on them every time
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So he is saying that if you can take non life and produce life he is ok with?
really so if you removed the scientists and replace them with a pre life earth and let them non life produce life in EXACTLY the same way then a creator is not necessary!
He is very clever, but uses it to win debates at the cost of honesty.
6th!!!!!
A closed environment with outside influence introduced is evidence
That God does one exist. How did the Elements evolve by chance?
One element cannot come together or form without influence.
You guys are washed. Get with the question.
So...a mind with no arms, hands, eyes, and legs, created everything out of nothing.?
Yes a spiritual being created eveything.
@@JohnjOcampo
So . . . if spirit can create matter; then, I can be just as daffy and say: matter can create spirit.
Thanks for clearing that up.
@@jackalsgate1146 it's all up to interpretation, for me to say that matter can't create the spirit would make me look arrogant since we both can't prove it.
By using my finite brain it is more reasonable to assume that the spirit came before matter and energy, we theists believe that God/spirit resides outside of time and space meaning a different dimension.
@@JohnjOcampo
Matter is eternal.
It cannot be created or destroyed.
Spirit is eternal it cannot be created or destroyed.
Like is known unto like.
Matter gives rise to matter.
Spirit gives rise to spirit.
Spirit cannot create matter.
Matter cannot create spirit.
If you want to say that spirit creates matter; then, I would be justified in saying, matter creates spirit.
@@jackalsgate1146 exactly we are each individuals who try to make sense of reality, for me creation from a creator makes sense and for you chance and possibilities makes sense.
Life comes from life makes sense to me while life comes from non-life makes sense to you, we can then discuss it and maybe find out who's right or wrong.
According to studies 7% of the world's population are atheist, either the majority of the world cannot come to grasps with the concept of there being nothing after death or 7% of the population reject their creator because they want to do things their way.
If god dont excist why we say oh god come on ppl
bonnie43uk
If you applied the same amount of doubt & questioning to your own worldview, then you would go much further. It is very easy to question someone else's worldview but very hard to question one's own worldview.
If you questioned your own worldview, then you would come to see the legitimacy of a Christian Theistic worldview. The problem is though, is that, you don't really want to. So, it is not an issue of reason & logic but an issue of what you want.
If there really is No God & No Immortality, then life would end at the grave for everyone. Period. That would be the end. So, if you and everyone else are heading for the grave, then nothing anyone believes & does in this life will change & alter that final destination.
Therefore, why would it matter beyond your own opinion what anyone believes & does in this life ? I have never heard or read a substantial or adequate answer from any atheist or agnostic on that.
TheMirabillis Hi again Mirabillis, always good to hear your views. I'm sure we've spoken about this in our previous discussions. I don't know what happens after our hearts stop beating and our brains cease to function. From all the evidence I've heard, that's it.. as you say, life ends at the grave. Period. I can see for you, and a lot of other people, that sounds a pretty depressing thought, you would like your life to go on in some other afterlife. I can see that has a certain appeal. But the truth is, nobody knows for certain. Mankind has made up stories of the afterlife for thousands of years, every single civilization I'm aware of has invented stories via their culture of some type of afterlife, but I think these's stories are just mankinds inquisitiveness of not knowing ,so stories emerge .. the people who lived before you on the land in North America, the Indian tribes all had their own beliefs about the afterlife.. read up about it. What did they know about Jesus Christ or the God of the Old Testament?.. absolutely nothing.
But as far as you saying "what does it matter"?, I believe religion has done a lot of harm throughout history, millions upon millions of people have suffered horrible deaths, there is a war going on in the middle east as we speak and people are being killed and tortured in the name of a holy book. Hitler had a massive disliking for the Jews as you know, I don't need to tell you what he did to them. To make it even worse for those Jews, the Nazi SS guards had written on their belt buckles the words "God is with us". Coming back to today, in your country many gay people are made to feel guilty for loving a person of the same gender.. this is all down to what the bible says. There is much wrong with biblical teachings, I believe it's wrong and it stifles human progress. You don't need God to be moral. Christianity had a very negative effect on my own life, so maybe that's why I'm so vocal about it. It matters to me that future generations aren't taught false teachings as I see it. Ireland voted to allow gay marriages 2 weeks ago, so things are getting better and we are moving in the right direction I believe. Prejudice and discrimination are bad things in society. 100-200 years ago black people and women weren't given the same rights as men, wouldn't you say society is gradually getting better? It's not a perfect world by any means, because of over population and a depletion in resources mankind will always struggle. Because I am going to die at some point doesn't negate my responsibility to future generations to try and leave the planet for them in a decent condition.
bonnie43uk
You wrote….
// I believe religion has done a lot of harm throughout history, millions upon millions of people have suffered horrible deaths, there is a war going on in the middle east as we speak and people are being killed and tortured in the name of a holy book. //
You also further gave 'your opinions' regarding morality on different issues. However, nothing you said got the crux of what I said…
So, if you and everyone else are heading for the grave, then nothing anyone believes & does in this life will change & alter that final destination.
Therefore, why would it matter beyond your own opinion what anyone believes & does in this life ?
TheMirabillis I am a human being and I care about the species. Personally, I don't have any siblings, but I've got nephews and nieces, and I'd like them to live in a future world that isn't trashed. Even though I won't be here, the lives of future generations matters to me as I'd like to think their generation will have a better understanding of life. Does that not make sense to you Mirabillis?, it makes sense to me.
bonnie43uk
YOU are telling me about what is important to YOU and what YOU value. Someone else could tell me about what is important to THEM and what THEY value. However, why would it matter beyond YOUR "own opinions & preferences" what anyone believes & does in this life ?
TheMirabillis
Hey Mirabillis. I'll keep my answer short and sweet. As an agnostic I basically agree and have no rebuttal...lol. It doesn't matter in an ultimate sense.
universe, the theory that comes from the religion of science, not God
This kid is annoying. He's determined to misunderstand.
If there is no God, then I guess I can just live my life how I want and if I feel like it kill millions of innocent people, heck I might even be the next Hitler and expect no consequences when I die because I am an accident. but what wait a second, I have a conscience and when I approach these means of action it not only scares me but there is something internal that tells me to stop! now a conscience to guide barriers to have life of a human being live on this earth, there is intention to that! takes more faith to believe that all this is a result of chance, its too intricate and honestly I believe you would have to be a naïve person to not think an outside standard created those boundaries. just imagine if stop signs didn't mean stop for everyone! when someone breaks the law runs through a stop sign you might get into an accident. Chaos breaks through when order is not kept. cliff talks about precision in our atmosphere, a little closer to the sun we would all fry!. There is something more. and the evidence even though we may not fully understand due to our finite minds still points to Jesus being that standard!
Derek Jackman
But you could act like Hitler and repent on your death bed and get complete forgiveness!
Alexandar Ostojic
Because I object to people acting like Hitler. I have empathy and can tell how nasty that would be for people. I don't believe in a celestial dictator who commands love at the threat of an eternity in hell, that would be worse IMHO than anything Hitler did on earth!
170221dn Hahahaha you sound so stupid man, I am sorry to tell you that. Common use your brain a little. Where did you get the term "celestial dictator" from? Richard Dawkins or some other moron like that? The fact that you even speak like that shows you dont have a faintest idea of what you are talking about
Alexandar Ostojic
It was actually Christopher Hitchens.
Tell me, if you were in Nazi Germany and spoke out against the regime you could get in to trouble am I right? So with your god, if you just THINK anything that he doesn't like you are in trouble right?
170221dn No, not correct. God's law is not for his benefit or because he wants his ego stroked, no. God's law is in place because it benefits us. It benefits us if we follow it, it benefits us if we worship him, it benefits us if we follow him. He is the best thing in the universe. So a good,loving and a personal God would shine the light on the best thing there is, right. Whats the best thing? HE IS! He is the God who gave you life, but he did not give you life so you can go murder, degrade, hate or lie to another person. God does not take pleasure in punishing wicked people despite what atheists like to believe. God is a perfect,loving and caring being, there is not 1 ounce of evil in him. He can not do evil. Consider how kind, loving and forgiving he is that he sent his only son to die so that our evil can be forgiven through him dying on a cross. If you have done no evil in your life then you dont need his forgiveness and you are good to go. BUT if you have lied,blasphemed his name,hated, stolen,committed adultery and so on, you are in desperate need of his forgiveness for the evil you have done. Because Jesus Christ is perfect and sinless and died for us he can grant you forgiveness if you repent of your evil doings and turn to him, he promises you he will forgive and grant you internal peace of the soul and mind, and after your death you will be with him in Heaven for eternity.This is his PROMISE to you, and Jesus Christ does not lie. But if you choose to reject Jesus, you are rejecting God's mercy and love and you will answer for your crimes against God and the evil you committed in your life, and if you are guilty, and I assume you are, just like 99.9999% of the world is you will be judged for it, and if you are found guilty of sin you can not be in the presence of God. In other words he is not sending anybody to Hell. People are sending themselves there and God is trying to save you through Jesus. He is offering you and me a gift of eternal life which we sooo do not deserve.
Scientism has become the modern religion. It's quite cringy listening to these kids rambling without actually conveying any information
I think this guy went to this school by accident..
Hogwarts is on a different street.
Arguemebt from ignorance. I dont know God.
God is SPIRIT
this mean don't use your senses to find God" because if you do , you will be a failure as "Darwin"
Satan will come and buffet you.
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Cliffs arguments are high school level at best. full of strawman points.
How? It's basic logic. Design always requires a designer. There's not a single instance from observation that design came about by chance. It's a giant leap of faith to believe the universe is any different. Even in the absence of religion, you still can't rule out the possibility of a creator.
@@berane8909 Cant rule out Zeus either. Just empty assertions. Cliffe says he is convinced of this and that doesn't make it true. He says 15billions years is a small amount of time.
@@dperkins01 Apologetics is a desperate attempt by theists to reach out to nontheists. Persuading you to believe in something that is beyond your grasp, that is irrational using merely logic, will only lead you into schizophrenia and depression.
You can only come to know God through an encounter with his Spirit and a personal relationship.
Jesus said, "if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him?" [Luke 11:13]
Ask the Father in the name of the Lord Jesus to give you his Holy Spirit.