$15 000 Gun or Worthless Garbage?
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- Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2024
- Here is something you don't see every day! This was once a beautiful and expensive Krieghoff Teck combination gun. This gun would have been an amazing piece for any firearms collection. Unfortunately, this Krieghoff suffered some very bad times and needs dramatic restoration. Depending on how you look at it, this is either a huge mess or an amazing opportunity for a gun collector. For pennies on the dollar I have become the "proud owner" of this "masterpiece". Now, the big question: Can I restore it to it's original splendor or does it take up residency at the local dump? Join me as we explore the possibilities. Thanks for watching, and don't forget to follow the links below to enjoy more USOG.
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Hey Matt, this is a scenario I am familiar with. I was presented with an Austrian rifle/ shotgun side × side under lever in the same calibers and two Belgian side × sides, one in 20ga one in 12, both the same 9.3mmR as yours. Both were exposed hammers with removable side locks. These three had been through a major flood on a farm, were burried under mud for a long time and then one placed butt down on the ground and the other two laid on their left sides on a damp surface for probably the better part of 60 years, in the same barn. All 3 were missing forend wood and hangers. The under levers buttstock would disintegrate to powder from its steel engraved butt plate to the middle of its cheek piece, about 5", if touched. The 20ga had a split from the toe going forward about 4" and was about 3/16" wide. The barells were caked full of a tan colored silt. And everything was coated in a fine rust. I was able to find 50% of the bluing intact under the surface rust. This was not something I really wanted to get tied down with at this point in my life , but I couldn't say no. Each one took about a year of hard work to restore. It was a lot of effort and work, making new springs, firing pins, sights, etc. Wood repair was extensive including finding a 6" × 2" piece of walnut to match the grain of the under lever and using threaded rod epoxied into the stock to splice the new piece onto. Then shape and contour to match and inlet and fit the curved and overhanging steel butt plate. But NONE of this compared to the hassle, effort and time it took to devise a solution to the forend hangers, wood and their latches and checkering that all had to be constructed by hand . If my arthritis was not hurting when I started, it was crippling when I finished. I even resorted to making parts from wood, fitted them perfectly and then make moulds of them to cast the parts. All this without even knowing what the originals looked like. But when finished it was a very gratifying feeling to see these old gals back for another 100 or more years of life. Besides all the issues mentioned above, all of the surfaces that were in contact with whatever they were placed on had extensive pitting. Not something beyond a certain point that can be removed. So an alternative had to be worked out, fortunately their are tricks of the trade that help accomplish this.
When dealing with any firearm that has been in a fire or subjected to high heat one must proceed with caution. I see that you have done that. As a general rule if the heat was hot enough to char the wood, discolor the metal or melt silver solder, it's time to have the entire firearm evaluated for safety. It may save you much trouble and headaches to check the following. You have found evidence of melted solder already. It should be determined how the barells are installed to the monobloc. If they are soldered in, which is very common, they need to be checked and inspected. If the connection is not secure it is an issue for sure . If the solder had softened and hardened again the regulation of the barells may no longer be correct and point of aim will be off. Unfortunately, this is something way, way beyond the skill level of even an excellent gunsmith. Very few outside of the factory have the skill, tooling and expertise to do this. So I would hope it isn't an issue or the barells were screwed into the monobloc receiver. You certainly have the right idea for a way to restock the gun. But if I may, before you start any of the time consuming fitting and get all dirty with Prussian Blue or it's modern equivalent, make sure the thru hole for the stock bolt is compatible with and aligns with the receivers mounting hole. This should be done first to ensure it is compatible and will have the correct drop angle. We both know this is one of those things that seems simple enough, but is so much more complicated than one could imagine. Good luck, and all the best. Let me know how it's going with this one. Be safe and stay healthy.
A worthwhile project, good luck.
How cool & beautiful! I'm glad you're going to attempt to restore it!
Thats my way of buying aslo, if I see a rifle around $200 or less that sparks my curiosity as a project it usually comes home.
Great find👍
I do that with the guns in the bins destined for the chop/part out areas, I try to save as many as I can and get them back on a bench or in the field to be enjoyed once more.
I collect ww2 bolt action rifles. Your videos over the years keeps me interested in searching for non popular rifles today. Every one has the rifles they cherish. Buy the guns that you like and don’t slam those that differ from you. Thank you for your informative videos on rifles that are deemed as obsolete.
Gun or Art? Either way that piece of craftsmanship well deserves a second chance at life and you are just the person to give it life again. Your passion and knowledge will not settle and make sure it's done right. I sure hope you show us the end result.
100% worth restoring. I'd love to try something like this myself. Never really thought about it before seeing this video. Thanks for sharing!
I'll do my best - already love the project!
Great video as usual, thank you.
Thanks Dan
I would fashion a rib for that and install it. I know Ed Webber did an Winchester 1886 restoration from a fire. I believe it the receiver and various parts had to be normalized and then quenched and tempered to proper hardness (heat treat). Good luck on that project
OUTSTANDING.Bought a collection of MODEL 99'S that had been in a fire .All have new homes now but one a 22 hi-power take down RESTORED THEM ALL and kept that one. Well done MIKE ID LOVE TO HAVE THAT BEAUTY.
I think you’ve forgotten more than most people will ever know about guns. Great video. Interesting to hear your approach to restoration. All the best!
Unbelievable. For one individual a old shabby broken gun yet for another take a closer look a true piece of art. Awesome scrolling and metal work. What a great restoration project. Best of Luck! Success shall be yours
Awesome scrolling and metal work. Indeed.
OH MY GOD this is EPIC PLEASE restore it!!!!!!!
Wow what an incredible restoration project, what a pleasure working on such a lovely gun.
Cool really cool!! Can’t wait to see that thing shooting again!!
Krieghoff shows an unfinished stock for a Teck on their website for $500
Definitely the way to go. Too nice of a rifle not to do a perfect job on. Iam sure Krieghoff has other parts. Love to see it finished and shotting
A " must have " rust killer on my shelf is ACF-50. its great stuff, comes out of can a sticky foam, then melts in. I have saved many rusted parts with it. Its the "stuff". Thank you, I learn from every one of your video's.
Worth restoring definitely
You must keep us posted with the restoration!
Will do Rupert! Take care!
The stock looks like driftwood but the business side of things look very reasonable. I hope to see it finished one day.
Me too Mark : )
Nice and interesting video. I hope you will share after restoring this precious gun.
Can't wait to see the finished product. No doubt we'll be waiting a good while!
Hi Captain - I hope not a posthumous video 😂
Beautiful, what a great project that is.Thanks for sharing!
Thank you - I'm on it : )
People say, “Oh never in the USA” but last year I purchased two large burial tubes. Vote to keep our freedoms.......Vote !
What size politician can you fit in your burial tubes?
Vote to keep our GOD given RIGHTS!
outnumbered by people who don't like guns and the number only grows with the current immigration policy. even so there is nobody to vote for that is pro-gun both sides proposed and passed gun control .
@@Maulstrum97 Yes it seems the love of money has prevailed at times. I think blackmail is also used . You are correct. Still these laws are not enforceable. They do not usurp the power of the standing law of the land . The Constitution and Bill of Rights is the standing law and no lower court can usurp it's power
We must claim them one and all as our Rights ! . Claim them !
TheMicroTrak slip em into Lake Superior you don’t need a burial tube
Bohler is an Austrian metalurgy company. The steels they have introduced in my opinion are second to none. These barrels are a dream of mine come true. Deffinitely will follow this project very closely, if progress updates will be available. Best of luck during restauration!
That was a magnificent firearm and it will be again. I know that you are up for the challenge! I’m sure that many weapons were buried to keep them out of the hands of Allied forces. One of my SXS doubles was a WWII bring back. It has the buffalo horn trigger guard and profuse engraving. I would feel very sick at the thought of it being buried. I look forward to seeing that gun as you get it fitted and restored! Good luck, Sir!
Can't wait to see how you go!
I'm here because I love guns. This is a great place to indulge the passion. Thank you, and don't die before I do. :)
That's a deal Nevada - and also not you before me. As my friend said when his doctor told him he didn't have long to live "Are you serious? I don't have time for that nonsense." Still around.
im with you on this one! its rare and its solid! great minds think alike!
An exquisite treasure waiting for the touch of your hands!
Thanks for the videos, sir.
My privilege
Anxious to see the finished project...
Me too - I keep looking at it hoping that something starts happening - but the parts just sit there 😂 - looks more and more like I'll have to get to work on it.
That piece is well worth restoring..no question about it. Good luck.
Thanks Thomas...I'm on it : )
Great project on a very interesting firearm. Thank you for sharing.
Kreikoff Drilling 12 x9.3mm Company can supply details of original sale, these guns had a 3 year waiting list, they came Cased. they were popular for Stalking Boar in wooded forestry. The 12 Guage was true cylinder and loaded with BrenneK (solids ) which are still available, ps I lived in Germany and my son had dual nationality, The local Jaegar club had a Shooting Festival in which everyone had a great time with beer and Schnitzel and an awful hangover for 3 days, They enjoyed their shooting and had very strict firearms customs and dress codes.
It will be fun to see what happens with this!
Please keep us posted on the progress,, to bad it cannot tell an amazing story how it became like this
Good luck! Update us with progress on this one. Great find!
Keep us updated i want to see how this turns out
I cannot wait to see the finished product! What epoxy do you prefer for metal to metal? You mentioned this in passing.
Love your enthusiasm for firearms sir, you have more enthusiasm than me. That is not said lightly either, love your channel. Keep up the good work! May GOD help you with this project.
Very nice piece...if it could tell stories. Thanks for sharing. Any update on it yet?
3:35 First pronounciation was almost spot on!
Thank you! I almost never get things right 😂👍
Krieghoff.com has a Teck unfinished stock for sale.
would love to see this mated to the project !
I saw that it's not the right stock but it would be a start.
That packet of RWS of 9.3x74R is worth more than the gun!!
😂
I would say that this exceptional gun needs some inlay gold, and a deep blued finish, along with that red colored stock I think it would look great.
@Frank deluca uhm, so the idea being it's not worth it? Is it not a cool old gun? What makes it less valuable than a Winchester? If you're gonna fix it up, why not go all out?
It seems like the cheaper I get something more I work on it ...good videos.... can't wait to see how this one turns out ...
Hi John - I'm slow on this project - but I'll have something.....in time. Cheers.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns slow and steady wins the race right? You seem to get some really nice examples. Have great days ..
I have about 200 hours into trying to get a side lock belgian 16 gauge working. Had one side plate woth most of its bits, one hammer, no firing pins.
Had triggers no sears.
I do machine work but the geometry has proven challenging.
You're dedication is amazing! I'm sure you'll get it running again.
Love the videos sir 👍! So much info packed in 10 to 20 minutes 🍺
I would say that is far from garbage and very worthy project it will come back to life.
Sad to see a firearm of that magnitude so damaged. Perhaps it was in a house fire? Wonderful project for you though. I look forward to seeing it restored but figure that will be some time away. Good luck and thanks for a most interesting video.
Thanks 35S Kiwi - I'm at it already : ) - what a huge task haha. Gotta love buying major issues - guess that's life. Take care.
Very interesting video, absolutely beautiful gun.
Would there be an option of stabilising the wooden stock with some sort of resin and build up areas of damage or loss. The fore stock could be treated the same way to have continuity of colour and finish. You are most likely aware of this but some of the modern powder coating techniques produce exceptionally good authentic finishes while preserving fine engraving and such like.
I have used double rifles both o/u and s/s in that particular rifle calibre. In the heat of the hunt they are quite tame, but not particularly nice to bench shoot for zeroing. Classic driven hunt calibre as is the 12 gauge. In certain parts of Europe heavy shot is permitted for Roe deer in heavy cover or shooting boar at short range in built up areas.
Best of luck with the project and I am looking forward to the finished gun and seeing it shoot again.
Good luck with that. Will you attempt to make a new rib? I presume the rib didn't have pop up sights akin to those sometimes seen on a drilling?
no, the bar connected to to the pop up sight is usually hidden within the elongated sight rail (i dont know the english word so i use the most basic traslation from german) but Bockbüchsflinten like these usually have a flip up sight which have to be be flipped by hand
I would be very concerned about heat damage.. the barrel needs to be hardness tested and preferably remotely proved..
Enjoyed the video
I’m a sucker too for rough guns that were beautiful but now need work ...and have a closet full of them that I will never get around to doing anything with !
Hard to see just how bad the stock is but I would really try to save it if at possible, the horn trigger guard of course would have to be replaced with a steel one.
You mentioned the difficulty of getting the screws out, one thing I have found that works well is to use a carpenter brace, ( hand drill) small 6 inch throw is best , to hold the screwdriver bit and use it to remove the screw. Gives you good torque while allowing you to keep pressure into the slot.
No doubt about it LOTS of work needs to be done with this gun but on the bright side lots of work doesn’t need to be done too...imagine if it didn’t have the forearm iron
Looking forward to seeing the completed job
Hi from Germany this Teck is chamber in 9,3x74R and this remeberd me about an older Video where you Had the 9,3x72R and you didn’t know why it is so weak. 9,3x72R was invented by a guy named Förster so we also call it Förster-Patrone its quite old and still from the black powder days so when smokeless powder came along the guns aren’t able to withstand the gas pressure from modern nitro. Hope that’s helping you. I also wish you good luck at this Teck.
Thank you! All the best to you in Germany. The Teck is an adventure for me for sure.
What a fantastic project you have there, thats the kind of thing i like to do best of luck with it i look forward to the video when its done.
Great Project Gun USOG 😀😊😀 Cant Wait to Get Started I Need a Few Projects Like This Too 😊😀😊 I Love Gunsmithing 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Hi Mike. Very interesting Gun and a very worthwhile project. When that was new I would imagine the purchaser would have been a person of some substance. You could try immersing the action in a bucket of oil heavily diluted with petrol and just leave it to soak for a few days also, a good way to free things off, without using Flame as a heat source is to use Boiling Water. Both methods have worked for me in the past when I have had stubborn parts that are hard to get moving smoothly. Would love to see the completed result maybe at the Range.
Over-and-Under Rifle/Shotgun Combinations ULTRA-20 - featuring soldered barrels with sideribs 20 Gauge, 3″ chamber Calibers: 6.5x57R, 6.5x65R, 7z57R, 7x65R, .308 Win., .30-06, .30R Blaser, 8x57JRS, 9.3x74R Action: ULTRA-20 steel or Dural
Ultra-20 TS Over-and-Under Rifle/Shotgun Combination ULTRA-20 TS - Thermo Stable featuring free-floating barrels Gauge: 20, 3″ chamber Calibers: Same calibers as above, plus 6x70R
Awesome guns!
We all want to see the outcome of this Amazing Shotgun Combo. Take Care and Be Safe.
I hope it works out Frank. Taking baby steps so far but it looks good.
By looking at examples on line the barrels the back strap and the trigger guard are all blued the only part I saw in the white is the receiver and possibly a bit of trim parts.
Hi ETM - Hopefully a professional rust blue will match the original finish. The paint is only to prevent rust - but actually looks pretty good. Thanks for the note.
Norma Oryx in 9,3 is well liked also, Brenneke TOG ,Torpedo Optimal Geschoss , Geco Pluss and other from Geco and Brenneke you can look for also.
Thank you!
Nice find
These types of things keep me going : )...along with the deeper things in life which aren't things at all.
Beautiful! A lot of potential.
Your bet Denver - I'm still figuring out the unfold - many viewer suggestions; I'm thinking that January will be a good month for a major move on this project. Plenty of challenges - but I'm optimistic (or naive) - will soon find out. Take care.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns That's a great time of year for those kinds of projects. Work on it when you feel the urge to. I look forward to seeing the final product, I am sure it will go well. Thank you, you as well!
I want to see it after you restore it.
So it must be a Ultra-20 TS Over-and-Under Rifle/Shotgun Combination with an upper 12/70 Shotgun Barrel and a lower 9.3x74R Riflebarrel as you described in the Video and matched at the Homepage of Krieghoff
That's smart - I didn't check
Beautiful ! Salut from France
What a lovely old drillings unusually in 12 bore more often in 16 bore in my experience the action is very reminiscent of a Merkel I have in the past seen these Krieghoff weapons always beautifully engineered thanks for posting this interesting article I will be watching it's development as you work your magic on it by the way i hope you don't mind my suggesting that the comb on that trap stock could be a little high stay safe and well regards from a fellow enthusiast in the UK
thats not a drilling, it is a bockbüchsflinte. normal drilling has two shotgun barrels and one rifled. bockdrilling is like a bockbüchsflinte with small rifled barrel at the side. doppelbüchdrilling has two rilfled and one shotgun barrel below. if i would buy a bockbüchflinte it would be sauer 54 or an old simson with kerner boxlock.
@@stevenbodum3405 thanks for correcting me you are clearly a very clever fellow people in my experience people often call things by generic names for instance in the UK every vacum cleaner is called a Hoover every ballpoint pen a biro and so on
Beautiful rifle/shotgun well worth restoring!
Thank you! I'm at it - : )
Hope there is a sequel 😀
Hi Nick - I'm slowly making progress - will make a video - all the best.
Very cool firearm! Would be nice to see new wood on it. Very unique with beautiful engraving. Reminds me of an old side by side 12 guage that I have. Minnesota Arms, St. Paul. serial number 1, twisted steel barrels with side locks. Matching numbers on all three pieces, the reciever, barrels and forearm hardware. No wood on it. My dad used the shotgun to hunt rabbits in the 40's. Never seen or heard of another shotgun like it so could be a one of a kind. Not a shooter.
Get in Contact with Krieghoff ( www.krieghoff.de// ) and pass them the Serial Number of the Gun and they will be able to tell you what Year of Production it is... "Böhler Blitz Stahl" by the Way is one of the best Steels for Barrels you can get. I own a "Ferlach" 16/70 cal which is made of it. Maybe Krieghoff can tell you also about the 1st Owner or if they made someting special on the Stock.. The Caliber of 9.3x74R is a cartridge used mostly for Mountain-Hunting. Means it was used probably in the Alps of Germany or Switzerland. For ex. 9.3 is the stanard Caliber of Swiss Canton Glarus... if I can help you to get in Contact with Krieghoff here in Europe I`ll be pleased (I am from Switzerland) Let me know if I can help getting more Info about the Gun if you want..
Any firearm that shoots is worth restoring. I would replace the rib and seek out a picture of this rifle so you can see the sight plus the shapes for the forend with stock. knowing your skill and expertise I bet it will live again to put game on the table.
Hey Mike can we get an update on this project in the near future?
Yes - and thank you for remembering. I have accomplished nothing - all the parts remain the same. I've had neither health or time and can't find anyone to do the work. Very sad : (
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns that's how projects go sometimes. Thank you and be well
It looks like you have a very good project. It says special steel on the rifle and I thought that at one time I either read somwhere or heard it somewhere that the steel is either a very high grade chrome alloy or nickel alloy steel which would make sense. I don't know if these guns were every blued or if there was some kind of finish it was some kind of special coating that was on the steel. At any rate the end cap or end tie is going to have to be made in order to keep each barrel truely parallel to each other and the piece that you slid off of the barrel is the central isolator and goes right where it has the discoloration marking. That should help when makung the end piece. I would suggest maybe finding a used or even new top railing from a good shotgun. You can fit it at whatever height you would want it then. I have made a few custom stocks when I have personalized old guns that were sold for hardly nothing and have made beautiful custm guns out of what people would say was junk. I have a beautiful custom made dropping block .303 British and an old flip up breechloader. It took me many hours to take a rough block of Walnut to make the stocks but they came out great. Anyway, good luck with your project.
You could try a BRNO CZ 301 OR 305 they made combo gun with a similar acrion shape
It’s a beautifull gun love the ingravings
Thanks Jeff - sure is nice.
From this side of the pond (EU) it sure looks like a wall hanger. On German auction sites the price for an used but well taken care of Krieghoff Teck is approximately 2.500 Euro (no scope included). If the metal was exposed to heat, can you be sure it’s safe?
Greetings I have one question, remote to subject, 9,3x74r has bit unusual shape , did it appear in different calibres? I thing I saw once similar, but smaller maybe 6mm but i havent been able to find any information of it. Anyway, best of luck with your projects.
Please dip the action and lower portion of the Barrels where the Ejectors are in a bucket of Petrol /Gasoline whatever for a whole night.. It is better than any Company cleaning oil or solution.. It will not damage the bluing.. The most stubborn grease or grime in the working parts and rust will come out.. 🙂👍
Did you have this bead blasted to remove any remnants of the finish? I didn't catch that in the video.
excellent video greetings from addenbroke
For the stock work with modern CNC router, you can scan the stock in 3D and replicate in a nice piece of walnut, most people here in the USAcharge $150.00 Dollars to duplicate a rifle stock + the wood. The rifle barrels can be restored with Belgium rust blue or the modern black chrome. If the rifle worth $15.000 it worth to expend
$1 200.00
Wow Joao - you're far smarter than I am. I'm thinking water wheel powered tools, a rasp and chisels. 😂 I hope I can find someone who can do what you describe - would be wonderful. Thanks for the ideas!
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns see how works, if you have a old cracked stock, you glue apply some epoxy clay, sand and the company scan the form for 5 axis wood CNC router the image go to a cad program CAD called solid works that transforms in CAM Computer Aided Manufacturing that communicates with the CNC MACHINE it will finish sanded to 250 grits it is amazing accurate.
See pictures
accurateshooter.net/Blog/stockdup03.jpg
Warning: accurate shooter is a very deep rabbit hole for firearms people and may suck up days of your time! Joao thank you for the link!
@@charlesmckinley29
I just sent a picture for illustration purpose how the stock can be scanned!
Great video, very nice combination! What do you think about Ferlach drilling’s? Thanks!
I had a few Rodney - these are so special it is hard to describe. Worth every penny.
USOG Thanks for the reply, it is appreciated. I have had a Drilling Ferlach for about 35 years, is 16x16 / 9.3x74R that I use to hunt in the Amazon rainforest of Venezuela. I have it with a Kahles low power scope. It is a beautiful weapon of excellent quality, but very heavy, Recently I changed it for another Drilling Sauer and sohn 16x16 / 30-06 and it is much more compact and lightweight. Thanks for the great and detailed videos and your opinion. Regards.
Great gun to try to get restored, looks to be doable, but that stock fitting. Going to be tough.
Wonder what the age of it is. Good luck with finding help with the whole thing, you seem to have the patience to see it through. Thanks
Just a heads up if your still looking for a buttstock. Krieghoff online store is showing an unfinished piece looks like good grain etc for sale for $500.
Hey - great - thanks I'll contact them
great video
9.3x74 rimmed. A hard hitting big game round that has fue peers. I killed a deer with one buy shooting it with a oak tree in the way. The bullet went threw a 8 inch tree and threw the deer killing it dead in it's tracks.
Bockbüchsflinte ist richtig ausgesprochen. You pronounced the word correct. Grüße aus Deutschland Greg
Technology is your friend. There should be a shop out there that can 3D scan the receiver and CNC machine a new walnut stock for you.
Great idea....now I have to find the IQ for myself - to get that done.
3D laser scan, print an insert, epoxy into blank stock. I'd probably charge around £500 for a custom piece like this, but I'm expensive.
I was going to suggest this but using a youngster that would think it was a cool project.
"It's perfect "!
I suggest that you fit one of those stocks using a filler or even bondo,looks won't matter. Use that stock as a master and have a better quality stock turned. I have several walnut blanks that I would let go for a fair price.That's my two cents worth. Thanks for the video.
Great advice Tom and thanks for the offer - I'm still thinking. Cheers.
You should make a stock from a piece of turkish walnut! That'll look sharp!😃
That's a great idea!
This should be sent to Mark on Anvil for refurbishing. Make a good show for both of you.
Super interesting
Looks like quite a project but if it can be done , I’m sure you can do it 👍
Thank you! I'm optimistic : )
hello im new to your channel . its great , im hooked ty ! your wisdom ,and collection is amazing ! would be nice to see this done. and through out the process ! very interesting! ty for sharing ....
Thanks for your kind words - I'll update the restoration - and am glad you found my channel. All the best to you.
That is one gorgeous Shotgun / rifle
I dont know what its value would be but i know if i had the opportunity i would buy one in a heart beat just because it is so gorgeous
Used Around 2000/2500€+- New: well the newer equivalent the Krieghoff ultima 20 is around 4,5k in its basic model.