I'm a "professional homeowner", and I do a decent amount of clearing in the woods around my house. I've taken a few safety courses in tree cutting, but this is the *first time* I have seen a clear and comprehensive diagram of what causes a barber chair and the physics behind why it happens. It's made me realize that I'm pretty lucky I haven't had this happen to me before. Thank you so much for taking the time to put this information together and share it with others.
As a retired tree Superviser, i can say this is a very well explained tutorial. Their are way too many inexperienced tree workers out there that have no idea what a Barberchair senario is! Great job!
ya.. many have never seen one... and I'll bet there's been more than a few deaths from BC where the person hadno idea what just happened to the tree...
Yes, i was almost one of them! Fortunately for me, the 20" Ash decides to fail on the opposite side of where i was cutting it. Me and my whole crew were speechless when it happened. I would have been driven into the ground like a nail. Never had any idea it could happen back then. Their was little education about it at that time.
I’ve seen a lot of videos on tree falling. They would talk about getting rid of the Dutchman, but never once explained what the hell it is. Now I know. Over the last 20 years, I’ve probably cut down close to 100 cords of firewood. 90% of it red oak. I now know that I have fallen trees with a Dutchman in the notch…many times. Never had a barber chair because of luck or tree species, but it does explain the behavior of the falling tree at times. Like the video, I’ve had a few start to fall then stop just like your video and never realized there was a barber chair danger. Wow. I always thought that risk was confined to leaners. Now I will be more attentive and make sure there is no Dutchman and remove it if there is. Thank you so much.
Very well explained. I see 2 errors there: the first one, causing the barber chair. The second, running away with the chainsaw instead of dropping it instantly.
Dang, glad that guy didn't get hit. Very comprehensive video regarding the dangers of A Barber Chair and breaking it down so as to understand the root cause and not make this mistake. Great Job.
I took the 30-video tree-felling course on RUclips published by a Canadian tree-felling company, and they showed something similar to this regarding avoiding a Barber-Chair mishap. You did a great job with your drawings and video demonstration!
A few days ago I was taught by a friends father how to fell trees. He never mention "dutchman cut", but did make sure that I didnt over cut one side when making the wedge. I wasnt quite sure why, but always checked that I didnt overcut and if so I corrected. Now I know what have a potential of happening if you dont! Thx, very good video!
This is the first time I've seen a demonstration, or heard an explanation of the consequences of cutting a Dutchman. I've heard a lot about not doing it and now that has been explained. Very informative and useful. Thanks.
Awesome explanation. I have a cottonwood leaning over my driveway. What I learned from this video is to just hire someone competent, I don't wanna die any time soon.
I have gotten away with inadvertently leaving a dutchman because I didnt understand what it was and worse yet, the potential hazard. Thank you for the clear explanation.
Good video on a very important subject. Working with trees is all about precision and understanding the forces acting on the tree. You have explained this very well. Thank you.
Im a farmer primarily but do logging in winter. Ive fallen more trees then your average trees remover but less then your average logger. I had this happen once on a more recent timber track. I really like thus explanation and diagram. Having a better understanding now this video might save my life on the next stick I cut
good.. glas to hear it... amd no one except a logger has dropped as many trees as your average logger.. It looks like we're doing the same kind of work, but it's a much different game..
When a swinging Dutchman or some other cut is required on a tree that is prone to barber chairing and you really need to avoid the split in the wood (causing you’re using it for lumber) use heavy ratchet straps on the log above your cut. The tension keeps the fibers together. I’ve never had a barber chair happen after I’ve strapped the tree.
ya, a strap is 100% effective as long as it's strong enough to keep th tree from splitting... if the trunk can't split, the tree cannot barber chair... Good cuttign technique will prevent most trees from BC< but a heavy front leaner with structural issues, the strap is the only way to be sure. I try to wrap it around two or three times, as many as possible for extra strength.
you can also bore in cut the center leave side tabs of holding wood and cut back out as long as you dont have enough wood in the center to hold it from falling it wont barber chair but its kind of a learn as you go art , yes unintentional dutchman poor practice I had better luck chopping out a chunk of the wedge and reinserting it if I wanted to use dutchman to swing around now I guess they just jack .
As clearly explained and illustrated description of this dangerous thing as I've seen. I've seen some of your other videos involving barber chair, which are excellent. This one however, emphasizes what causes it and how to avoid it, while the previous ones, for me at least, highlighted the dangers.
Wow. I was 1/2 way through your video, and I wasn't catching on. Then it hit me! That's phenomenal. If you had not replayed it three times, I would have had to do it myself 3x! I've never fully understood the barber chair causes, and I've never fully understood why, some cutters "brush out" the sawdust, after the first wedge cut.... Now, finally, all this makes sense. All this in less than 4 minutes. Thank you so much! /A New Subscriber.
I very very rarely get involved in tree cutting and when I do it’s typically helping a friend. That said, I find these this video very interesting. It doesn’t hurt to learn something just in case. I think this video does very good of explaining - narration, graphics, video/stills - what is going on. 👍🏻
it all mkas sense when someone finally explains it... One of the reasons I can recognize it when I see it is because I've done it.. back before I knew better.
I really found this upload very informative and helpful as I wondered what causes the barber chair scenario. Very well explained and easy to understand. Cheers.
There are many more things like that in this biz.. so few people really don't understand the "Why".. they just do it or even teacd it because that's the way it's always been done... I always look for the why.. once you understand the why, the door opens to a world of new possibilities
@@murphy4trees weird you saying that, you sounded like me last week explaining how train brakes work to a new starter. Understanding is a mile apart from just doing. I’ve been felling trees for over 30 years and always made a neat face cut not understanding how important it actually is. Again, thank you
Thanks! I've been doing a fair amount of falling since becoming a landowner, and somehow kind of instinctively always tried to avoid cutting too far when chunking out my pie pieces, but didn't think it would be a big deal if I did accidentally go too far. Seeing this, I'm gonna be even MORE careful!
A species that’s prone to barber chair may do so even IF perfect cutting techniques are employed especially if it has considerable lean / canopy weighted to one side, bore cuts are an option , however a robust strap / chain secured snugly about a foot above the back cut is the safest way to do the job imho. Even IF the holding fibers give way the strap/chain will “hold it all together”. I’ve split a shit ton of ash by hand and some of it is extremely easy to split , just “drop” the axe or maul on it and it splits in half … IF this is the case in the hinge (and forward leaning / heavy canopy ) it has a high probability of barber-chairing - even with PERFECT cutting technique let alone Dutchman bypass . It only takes a few minutes to secure the strap and potentially avoid an unpleasant situation
Thanks.. god to hear.. it's amazing to me that the best instruction in chainsaw techniques come from RUclips. The industry trade organizations are terrified of touching anything outside of the narrow little box of their 40 year old cutting techniques.
Thank you very much, very well explained! Although I never experienced any barber chair with falling leaning white ash (ideal species for that!!!), I think I was just lucky so far, because I did not know yet about that bypass. From now, I am going to be very careful about that! Thanks again!
Good stuff. You can also see it moving just above his head, which clearly shows it was equal movement there as at the top indicating that wind was most likely not a factor. Have a great week.
This video really helped me and was straight to the point. Cutting down some white oaks and red oaks on my property that the gypsy moths got to before they go completely south on me punking around the outside like they will do. I didnt have any major barber chair occurrences but some very minute ones ruining first 5' of the first log or having split cracks in the center of the heart wood. Thank you for this
I have BC a couple knowing that wouold make the splitting for firewood easier, but only when I could finish the cut and induce the BC from a pull line set to heavy truck or loader... not worth risking being anywhere a tree when it BCs
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It’s as simple as that. Perfectly explained, well done. Literally saving lives with a video like this good stuff. 👍
I'm a "professional homeowner", and I do a decent amount of clearing in the woods around my house. I've taken a few safety courses in tree cutting, but this is the *first time* I have seen a clear and comprehensive diagram of what causes a barber chair and the physics behind why it happens. It's made me realize that I'm pretty lucky I haven't had this happen to me before. Thank you so much for taking the time to put this information together and share it with others.
same for me.. I cut one and watched it and only found out years later why
what is a professional home owner?
An unintentional bypass on the gob is only one reason a barber chair may accour.
@@JohnnyIDive37I was gonna ask that lol
@@TheToolnut definetly... I AM going to write about it...
Wow, an actual explanation of what, why, and how to avoid. In only a few minutes, rather than 15 minutes blabbing. You are a national treasure!
I know what you'r talking about.. it gets tiring...
Probably not worth watching a long explanation to stay safe. Have fun out there slugger.
As a retired tree Superviser, i can say this is a very well explained tutorial. Their are way too many inexperienced tree workers out there that have no idea what a Barberchair senario is! Great job!
ya.. many have never seen one... and I'll bet there's been more than a few deaths from BC where the person hadno idea what just happened to the tree...
Yes, i was almost one of them! Fortunately for me, the 20" Ash decides to fail on the opposite side of where i was cutting it. Me and my whole crew were speechless when it happened. I would have been driven into the ground like a nail. Never had any idea it could happen back then. Their was little education about it at that time.
I’ve seen a lot of videos on tree falling. They would talk about getting rid of the Dutchman, but never once explained what the hell it is. Now I know. Over the last 20 years, I’ve probably cut down close to 100 cords of firewood. 90% of it red oak. I now know that I have fallen trees with a Dutchman in the notch…many times. Never had a barber chair because of luck or tree species, but it does explain the behavior of the falling tree at times. Like the video, I’ve had a few start to fall then stop just like your video and never realized there was a barber chair danger. Wow. I always thought that risk was confined to leaners. Now I will be more attentive and make sure there is no Dutchman and remove it if there is. Thank you so much.
Very well explained. I see 2 errors there: the first one, causing the barber chair. The second, running away with the chainsaw instead of dropping it instantly.
Dang, glad that guy didn't get hit. Very comprehensive video regarding the dangers of A Barber Chair and breaking it down so as to understand the root cause and not make this mistake. Great Job.
Very helpful with exellent demonstrations and pictures.
I took the 30-video tree-felling course on RUclips published by a Canadian tree-felling company, and they showed something similar to this regarding avoiding a Barber-Chair mishap. You did a great job with your drawings and video demonstration!
Do they use much video from real tree jobs or is it all stages and mocked up?
A few days ago I was taught by a friends father how to fell trees.
He never mention "dutchman cut", but did make sure that I didnt over cut one side when making the wedge.
I wasnt quite sure why, but always checked that I didnt overcut and if so I corrected.
Now I know what have a potential of happening if you dont!
Thx, very good video!
This is the first time I've seen a demonstration, or heard an explanation of the consequences of cutting a Dutchman. I've heard a lot about not doing it and now that has been explained. Very informative and useful. Thanks.
I wish more videos were as brass tacks as this one. To the point critical knowledge to stay safe.
Thank you.
no lack of information on my end.. don't know why these guys have to ramble on endlessly..
Explained well, easy to understand, and it only takes a few minutes to clean up notch, to avoid any accidents, thanks for your time
Good job, people need to understand the danger in tree falling. Thanks for the knowledge, and love to see more.
Thanks, there's pleny out there.. just got to look around
Excellent explanation of what causes a barber chair *and* why it's so important to have clean notches.
Awesome explanation. I have a cottonwood leaning over my driveway. What I learned from this video is to just hire someone competent, I don't wanna die any time soon.
Cottonwoods are extremely prone to barber chair. I had one go on me a few years ago and now wrap them with a ratchet strap for insurance.
I have gotten away with inadvertently leaving a dutchman because I didnt understand what it was and worse yet, the potential hazard. Thank you for the clear explanation.
Best explanation of why a barber chair happens in simple terms. Great video example.
Glad you liked it!
Exceptional video:. Topic. Explanation. Example. Conclusion. Thank you. Good bye.
We'll done.
C
Excellent explanation of the Dutchman! So clear and concise.
Finally, a video that actually explains how to prevent the barber chair.
short and beautiful explanation, CRYSTAL CLEAR . Thank you sir.
glad to know it works for you.
the best instructional I've ever seen on the topic
thank you... ;)
Good video on a very important subject. Working with trees is all about precision and understanding the forces acting on the tree. You have explained this very well. Thank you.
Im a farmer primarily but do logging in winter. Ive fallen more trees then your average trees remover but less then your average logger. I had this happen once on a more recent timber track. I really like thus explanation and diagram. Having a better understanding now this video might save my life on the next stick I cut
good.. glas to hear it... amd no one except a logger has dropped as many trees as your average logger.. It looks like we're doing the same kind of work, but it's a much different game..
Awesome illustration! Makes sense now! Thanks for sharing!
Glad you liked it!
Really good info here Daniel! Very good film work and diagrams. This kind of education will really help newbies advance quicker. Great job!
I agree with the other commentary below ,
The most well explained and visual example of its subject on the net from a pro thank you
my pleasure
Best explanation I've seen to date!
When a swinging Dutchman or some other cut is required on a tree that is prone to barber chairing and you really need to avoid the split in the wood (causing you’re using it for lumber) use heavy ratchet straps on the log above your cut. The tension keeps the fibers together. I’ve never had a barber chair happen after I’ve strapped the tree.
ya, a strap is 100% effective as long as it's strong enough to keep th tree from splitting... if the trunk can't split, the tree cannot barber chair... Good cuttign technique will prevent most trees from BC< but a heavy front leaner with structural issues, the strap is the only way to be sure. I try to wrap it around two or three times, as many as possible for extra strength.
you can also bore in cut the center leave side tabs of holding wood and cut back out as long as you dont have enough wood in the center to hold it from falling it wont barber chair but its kind of a learn as you go art , yes unintentional dutchman poor practice I had better luck chopping out a chunk of the wedge and reinserting it if I wanted to use dutchman to swing around now I guess they just jack .
As clearly explained and illustrated description of this dangerous thing as I've seen. I've seen some of your other videos involving barber chair, which are excellent. This one however, emphasizes what causes it and how to avoid it, while the previous ones, for me at least, highlighted the dangers.
Im so glad you showed the diagram with how to correct this.
I've been felling trees on my land, intermittently, foe over 20 years, and I'm pleased that I have never made THAT mistake!
Wow. I was 1/2 way through your video, and I wasn't catching on. Then it hit me! That's phenomenal. If you had not replayed it three times, I would have had to do it myself 3x! I've never fully understood the barber chair causes, and I've never fully understood why, some cutters "brush out" the sawdust, after the first wedge cut.... Now, finally, all this makes sense. All this in less than 4 minutes. Thank you so much! /A New Subscriber.
Gopod to hear and welcome... there's a lot of good info here if you look around a while...
I very very rarely get involved in tree cutting and when I do it’s typically helping a friend. That said, I find these this video very interesting. It doesn’t hurt to learn something just in case. I think this video does very good of explaining - narration, graphics, video/stills - what is going on. 👍🏻
Brilliantly explained. Thank you Daniel.
someone has to do it ;)
Gotta love all these logging videos where they try to make it look like rocket science.
Perfect explanation. Finally clear to me. Thanks
it all mkas sense when someone finally explains it... One of the reasons I can recognize it when I see it is because I've done it.. back before I knew better.
Thank you for recording and posting this valuable educational video.
Glad it was helpful!
I really found this upload very informative and helpful as I wondered what causes the barber chair scenario. Very well explained and easy to understand. Cheers.
FINALLY! A video that seems to cover this well enough. Thank you Mr. Murphy!
happt to help bro!
Good job explaining that. You probably saved someone's life already.
great example/demo, now I finally understand barber chair
Fantastic explanation, understood the physics coming into play and it seems so obvious afterwards, thank you.
There are many more things like that in this biz.. so few people really don't understand the "Why".. they just do it or even teacd it because that's the way it's always been done... I always look for the why.. once you understand the why, the door opens to a world of new possibilities
@@murphy4trees weird you saying that, you sounded like me last week explaining how train brakes work to a new starter. Understanding is a mile apart from just doing. I’ve been felling trees for over 30 years and always made a neat face cut not understanding how important it actually is. Again, thank you
Best explanation I've ever seen. Great job, hats off to you.
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome explanation. Really really well done sir. Comprehensive, short, interesting. Good job.
Best explanation I have seen
me too.... and thanks!
This old tree feller thanks you for showing my ignorance. I never worried if the notch was not perfect but no more!
I understand now. Very well explained. Thank you
Excellent video! Thanks for posting!
Hi Daniel, thanks for the quick and extremely good explanation. Awesome video.
Thanks
Scotty
Highly informative, great lesson. Thank you, another thing to keep at the front of thought when I'm making firewood.
Glad it was helpful!
Great explanation, I'm gonna pay more attention to this and chack out more of your videos.
Well explained!
Lifesaving information. Thank you.
Thanks for good, clear explanation.
Thanks! I've been doing a fair amount of falling since becoming a landowner, and somehow kind of instinctively always tried to avoid cutting too far when chunking out my pie pieces, but didn't think it would be a big deal if I did accidentally go too far. Seeing this, I'm gonna be even MORE careful!
Very educational video … THANK YOU
Nice video, quick and to the point
Cool review/tutorial, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video, this helps A LOT of people!
Excellent video. This type of info saves lives....
I learned something today, thank you.
awesome simple explanation of physics in falling. be safe out there
Very very nice video. Thanks a lot Daniel.
Great video! Short and to the point.
Glad it was helpful!
Very strong video 💪🏻 helped me rookie a lot. Thanks a lot
Excellent Instruction.
Thanks Sir . One more bit of knowledge in my bag. Appreciate it.
LIKE. --- This is an extremely important video!
thanks.. though rare a BC can easily kill the faller, especially for those that are unaware of the potential
A species that’s prone to barber chair may do so even IF perfect cutting techniques are employed especially if it has considerable lean / canopy weighted to one side, bore cuts are an option , however a robust strap / chain secured snugly about a foot above the back cut is the safest way to do the job imho. Even IF the holding fibers give way the strap/chain will “hold it all together”. I’ve split a shit ton of ash by hand and some of it is extremely easy to split , just “drop” the axe or maul on it and it splits in half … IF this is the case in the hinge (and forward leaning / heavy canopy ) it has a high probability of barber-chairing - even with PERFECT cutting technique let alone Dutchman bypass . It only takes a few minutes to secure the strap and potentially avoid an unpleasant situation
Can you link an example of the wrapping of the chain?
@@samiam159007 ruclips.net/video/p04sxvuZu7E/видео.html
@@murphy4trees Awesome, that was great, Thanks Daniel!
Wow! Thank you! Now I get it! I had one split last year, now I can see why.
This was surprisingly easy to understand for the layperson
Thanks.. god to hear.. it's amazing to me that the best instruction in chainsaw techniques come from RUclips. The industry trade organizations are terrified of touching anything outside of the narrow little box of their 40 year old cutting techniques.
Really good explenation!
I’ve recently seen people put heavy duty ratchet straps or chains around the trunk to prevent this as well.
Clear explanation, thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent explanation! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video! Thank you!
Good info, well explained, thanks.
good illustrations to clarify narration. Most cutters in PNW that have stayed with it have close call stories with Red Alder.
right... would ahve been better to keep cutting if you were expecting the thing to split, but a bad face cut was still the culprit.
EXCELLENT ADVICE - Thanks!
Great content/ information! 👍
Amazing explanation
Thank you very much, very well explained! Although I never experienced any barber chair with falling leaning white ash (ideal species for that!!!), I think I was just lucky so far, because I did not know yet about that bypass. From now, I am going to be very careful about that! Thanks again!
Thanks for the good information.
Good stuff.
You can also see it moving just above his head, which clearly shows it was equal movement there as at the top indicating that wind was most likely not a factor.
Have a great week.
Excellent, succinct and superbly illustrated.
Go to the front of the line!
DOUGout
Great video, thanks.
OUTSTANDING VIDEO.
You learn something everyday!
Awesome explanation.
My thoughts are, this is a GREAT video!
Great video nicely done.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for explaining 👍👍👍
As most folks have already stated, thank you. I’m now smarter and safer.
that nice to hear... and why I made the video
Great explanation! I believe this is most common with cutting conifers.( soft wood)
Great info here! Thank You
My pleasure!
Hi handsome. Great illustration and vocabulary. More videos . ❤
Thank you especially when working by yourself.
This video really helped me and was straight to the point. Cutting down some white oaks and red oaks on my property that the gypsy moths got to before they go completely south on me punking around the outside like they will do. I didnt have any major barber chair occurrences but some very minute ones ruining first 5' of the first log or having split cracks in the center of the heart wood. Thank you for this
I have BC a couple knowing that wouold make the splitting for firewood easier, but only when I could finish the cut and induce the BC from a pull line set to heavy truck or loader... not worth risking being anywhere a tree when it BCs