From my understanding, the units that were shipped to reviewers were preproduction units. So the production units will hopefully have fewer of these issues. As far as the hopper goes, I do know that a few years back when you wanted the features of the mignon you would have to buy a commercial grinder that cost more and had huge hoppers which were not suitable for the home environment. The hoppers were more durable but essentially exposed your coffee to oxidation because so much of the hopper was empty and filling it would require more than a kilo of coffee grounds. Also, large hoppers make the grinder taller than 17 inches which meant that they would not fit under most kitchen cabinets. To bring these previously unavailable features to the home market some sacrifices had to be made. The hopper quality was one of these.
Hey Joe - I’m debating going with the Libra or the specialita. What that comes down to is spend $425 (found a great deal) or $700+. So is paying 300 more worth it for the grind by weight feature? Appreciate your thoughts.
Man that’s tough but for me if this is part of your daily morning routine I’d go grind by weight . If it’s for hosting and events I’d say go specialità for that price
I've just discovered your channel and thank you for all these videos. I have a question because I have to go ahead with the purchase (unless I wait for the new products presented in Milan last weekend), but the price of the three grinders I'm considering is not the same: Mignon Spécialità with its 55mm burrs and the Atom with its 75mm burrs. Between the two, there's the Turbo and the XL with 65mm burrs. The question is this. In your opinion, based on what you've tasted, and taking into account only the taste in the cup (speed is not important), is espresso really better with 75mm burrs, a little less so with 65mm burrs, with the 55mm raising doing less well, even if it's still respectable. I've got the Niche Zero and the idea is to have a grinder with flat burrs alongside to go for other flavors, especially for medium roasts. Thanks for your help.
Well there’s multiple parts here but generally flavor isn’t changing much with larger burrs. What you get with more expensive grinders with larger burrs is faster grinding and many times less clumping so less need for wdt. Now personally if your ok with single dosing I’d go with the df64 www.espressooutlet.net/turin-df64-gen-2-single-dose-coffee-grinder/
Do you still have your atom? Would be really curious to see how they compare in terms of grind performance with a taste test or blind taste test for espresso…curious if the larger burr size really makes a difference, and the gbw would be really convenient for dialing in. Also, agree on wdt. When grinding straight into the pf I haven’t seen much need, I think it’s a little linked to the single dose craze when transferring to a pf from dosing cup, the deep distro from a wdt seems to be a little more needed vs just breaking up clumps.
I no longer have the atom but yeah the atom would definitely beat out in taste and performance. I will say this grinder has some clumping and could probably benefit from wdt but for my morning Brew it’s too tedious I just need a shot in the morning to get me going then I can think about stuff more
Well I really like grind by weight but I think the overall grinder is nicer on the eureka less clumps for sure but I still might go with libra I hate weighing out in the morning
@@JoeyVaracalliYou may still do it by impulse. Just to verify if the GBW is correct by weighing the dose on the scale. I would for sure😂 if I have a GBW but I don’t.
Could you make a video on what scrssories need to get going with a gaggia? I'm thinking breville smart grinder, web tool leveler dose funnel coffe scale and milk pitcher? New to home espresso. Currently use bialetti moka pot and staresso sp200
Hi Joe, Good review. I have just recently got my Libra a week ago but am having issues with the dreaded "FH". No matter what I did, it still would not recognise my bottomless portafilter (360.4 grams in weight). I was hopeful that your little trick tapping grind function a couple of times with "FH" showing would work but alas, it did not. How heavy is your portafilter? As I'm wondering if mine might be too light (it shouldn't be the case though). Would you do a test on this maybe? Also, would be great if you could do a short video on the calibration part. It just confuses me. Thank you :)
Yeah I’m confused by the fh thing like why did they make it this way it’s quite strange. But yeah maybe try the portafilter with a funnel on it that’s how i do it. Also if you have a two spout try that
@@JoeyVaracalli Thanks for the quick reply. New to all this, will have to get my hands on a funnel & a spouted portafilter to try. Should you have any further insight on how to overcome this, please do share. By the way, I must have missed in the video where you explain what 3.1 at the beginning when you switch on the grinder means.
The "3.1" appearing when the machine is turned on should be the firmware revision. The slight discrepancy in weight could be due to the funnel which maybe wasn't correctly calibrated into the tare of the machine. Also, I see you have two filter holders, maybe the calibration was for the other filter holder.
Well there is the sette wi and the vario wi. Unfortunately the vario you have to does into a plastic bin and the sette is good but it’s a conical burr grinder so if you like to dose it no the porta filter and want the flat burr flavor profile this is the only option at a reasonable price
@@JoeyVaracalli which is kinda crazy. P.S. Do you actually reach the 2 bars before cutting the flow on Bianca? I find that I have to cut it almost at 1-1.5 to get a good result.
@@oleguacamole6364 yeah that’s normally my cut off but I think I need to adjust my paddle to give a true cut off as of now it still lets a small flow through which push more pressure very slowly
I can’t say for sure since I never own or work with any GBW grinder. It could be hit or miss due to retention. The constant weight calibration could be a pain in the butt if you dial in a different grind size every time when beans are aging or swapping between beans to beans. Meaning it’s not designed for single dosing. When you switch to new beans, I reckon you will have to re-calibrate the weight adjustment in order to allow the machine to get familiar with or learn the new algorithm. But with the traditional grind by time, you don’t need to do any calibration besides redialing in to get the perfect grind size. I imagine it may enforces you to do more work than needed if you want to get the weight calibration right each time when changing to a new bag of beans or when beans are aging and it’s weight size may change and the machine would have to re-calibrate.
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From my understanding, the units that were shipped to reviewers were preproduction units. So the production units will hopefully have fewer of these issues.
As far as the hopper goes, I do know that a few years back when you wanted the features of the mignon you would have to buy a commercial grinder that cost more and had huge hoppers which were not suitable for the home environment. The hoppers were more durable but essentially exposed your coffee to oxidation because so much of the hopper was empty and filling it would require more than a kilo of coffee grounds. Also, large hoppers make the grinder taller than 17 inches which meant that they would not fit under most kitchen cabinets. To bring these previously unavailable features to the home market some sacrifices had to be made. The hopper quality was one of these.
Yeah i hope. I’m al it sure about the preproduction thing though I had two other people comment that they are having the same issues with theirs
Great review. Did you find that it took some grinding before the accuracy was dialled in? Mine has ground less than 2lbs, and still varies wildly.
Hey Joe - I’m debating going with the Libra or the specialita. What that comes down to is spend $425 (found a great deal) or $700+. So is paying 300 more worth it for the grind by weight feature? Appreciate your thoughts.
Man that’s tough but for me if this is part of your daily morning routine I’d go grind by weight . If it’s for hosting and events I’d say go specialità for that price
@@JoeyVaracallionce you have a machine that grinds by weight it is so much better and quicker...
@@Displays.1234. couldn’t agree more. I wish all grinders had a grind by weight option
I've just discovered your channel and thank you for all these videos. I have a question because I have to go ahead with the purchase (unless I wait for the new products presented in Milan last weekend), but the price of the three grinders I'm considering is not the same: Mignon Spécialità with its 55mm burrs and the Atom with its 75mm burrs. Between the two, there's the Turbo and the XL with 65mm burrs. The question is this. In your opinion, based on what you've tasted, and taking into account only the taste in the cup (speed is not important), is espresso really better with 75mm burrs, a little less so with 65mm burrs, with the 55mm raising doing less well, even if it's still respectable. I've got the Niche Zero and the idea is to have a grinder with flat burrs alongside to go for other flavors, especially for medium roasts. Thanks for your help.
Well there’s multiple parts here but generally flavor isn’t changing much with larger burrs. What you get with more expensive grinders with larger burrs is faster grinding and many times less clumping so less need for wdt. Now personally if your ok with single dosing I’d go with the df64 www.espressooutlet.net/turin-df64-gen-2-single-dose-coffee-grinder/
Do you still have your atom? Would be really curious to see how they compare in terms of grind performance with a taste test or blind taste test for espresso…curious if the larger burr size really makes a difference, and the gbw would be really convenient for dialing in. Also, agree on wdt. When grinding straight into the pf I haven’t seen much need, I think it’s a little linked to the single dose craze when transferring to a pf from dosing cup, the deep distro from a wdt seems to be a little more needed vs just breaking up clumps.
I no longer have the atom but yeah the atom would definitely beat out in taste and performance. I will say this grinder has some clumping and could probably benefit from wdt but for my morning Brew it’s too tedious I just need a shot in the morning to get me going then I can think about stuff more
@@JoeyVaracalli really looking forward to if/when eureka implements this tech with some larger burrs
@@ThunderRunner surprised they didn’t start with the higher end stuff
Thanks for the review you forgot to mention the 3.1 error what is it about also what kind of grind size you use
If you had to choose between the Eureka Libra or the Eureka Atom 75, which would you choose ignoring major price differences?
Well I really like grind by weight but I think the overall grinder is nicer on the eureka less clumps for sure but I still might go with libra I hate weighing out in the morning
@@JoeyVaracalliYou may still do it by impulse. Just to verify if the GBW is correct by weighing the dose on the scale. I would for sure😂 if I have a GBW but I don’t.
Could you make a video on what scrssories need to get going with a gaggia? I'm thinking breville smart grinder, web tool leveler dose funnel coffe scale and milk pitcher? New to home espresso. Currently use bialetti moka pot and staresso sp200
Yeah that sounds like a decent idea. I’ll see if I can make that. Maybe I’ll make it a live stream
Have you tried it with filter coffee? Does it grind coarse enough and produce a small amount of fines?
Yeah can definitely go corse enough for filter coffee
Hi Joe,
Good review. I have just recently got my Libra a week ago but am having issues with the dreaded "FH". No matter what I did, it still would not recognise my bottomless portafilter (360.4 grams in weight). I was hopeful that your little trick tapping grind function a couple of times with "FH" showing would work but alas, it did not. How heavy is your portafilter? As I'm wondering if mine might be too light (it shouldn't be the case though). Would you do a test on this maybe? Also, would be great if you could do a short video on the calibration part. It just confuses me.
Thank you :)
Yeah I’m confused by the fh thing like why did they make it this way it’s quite strange. But yeah maybe try the portafilter with a funnel on it that’s how i do it. Also if you have a two spout try that
@@JoeyVaracalli Thanks for the quick reply. New to all this, will have to get my hands on a funnel & a spouted portafilter to try. Should you have any further insight on how to overcome this, please do share. By the way, I must have missed in the video where you explain what 3.1 at the beginning when you switch on the grinder means.
I try by using funnel & adjusting the knob fork until snug tied the portafilter & it works! btw.. I’m using Flair58 portafilter 😊
The 270 WI does have this problem
other than the portafilter vibrating off, and the electronic interface being a little dumb, it's great.
Yeah I love my Libra it’s still my daily driver I don’t have the issue with it falling out though
The "3.1" appearing when the machine is turned on should be the firmware revision. The slight discrepancy in weight could be due to the funnel which maybe wasn't correctly calibrated into the tare of the machine. Also, I see you have two filter holders, maybe the calibration was for the other filter holder.
Is there a place to find/buy this in the US 110V setting? Been scouring the internet and can't find it yet.
Not really unfortunately idk why it’s taking so long. I purchased the 220v model then plugged it into my jump up converter
What number setting do you have that you use on this grinder?
Im between 2 and 0 normally
@@JoeyVaracallithank you very much. I get mine on Tuesday.
Where can I buy now
This is where I purchased www.espressocoffeeshop.com/en/conscious-collection/570-0-eureka-mignon-libra-coffee-grinder.html
Funny how the 270 WI does not have this problem, just works every time...
They're ALL Eureka Mignons- you mean this is like the Specialita but has the GBW feature
Correct
Just bought the Eureka Filtro for $200, and replaced the grind burrs with their espresso. ☕
nice move that's a great way to get a low cost good espresso grinder
@@JoeyVaracalli Surprissingly there isn't any clumping and no need to use my WDT.
@@innerlocus wow that's super impressive.
3:32 - This! I'm almost shocked that there are not more cheaper weight-based grinders out there.
Well there is the sette wi and the vario wi. Unfortunately the vario you have to does into a plastic bin and the sette is good but it’s a conical burr grinder so if you like to dose it no the porta filter and want the flat burr flavor profile this is the only option at a reasonable price
@@JoeyVaracalli which is kinda crazy.
P.S. Do you actually reach the 2 bars before cutting the flow on Bianca? I find that I have to cut it almost at 1-1.5 to get a good result.
@@oleguacamole6364 yeah that’s normally my cut off but I think I need to adjust my paddle to give a true cut off as of now it still lets a small flow through which push more pressure very slowly
I can’t say for sure since I never own or work with any GBW grinder. It could be hit or miss due to retention. The constant weight calibration could be a pain in the butt if you dial in a different grind size every time when beans are aging or swapping between beans to beans. Meaning it’s not designed for single dosing.
When you switch to new beans, I reckon you will have to re-calibrate the weight adjustment in order to allow the machine to get familiar with or learn the new algorithm. But with the traditional grind by time, you don’t need to do any calibration besides redialing in to get the perfect grind size.
I imagine it may enforces you to do more work than needed if you want to get the weight calibration right each time when changing to a new bag of beans or when beans are aging and it’s weight size may change and the machine would have to re-calibrate.
What you mentioned in the CONs....... Dont forget, this is less than 1k like what you mentioned. lol
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