My college professor told me that the purpose of getting an education is to teach you how to think because you’ll never remember what you learned in college or university! I can’t agree more.
0:11. No, you don't "hone in on the crux of the issue; you "home in" ..as in a "homing Pigeon" or a "homing missile." To hone means to sharpen (hone an ax; hone one's skills); to home mean to arrive accurately (homing in on the munitions plant).
Rev 4:11 - Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Thank you for you posts they sure are so confirming to a 72urs old woman who has walked or tried to navigate the ever-changing downgrading of societal acceptance of Taboos that has been on Earth since time immemorial. Love greetings and blessings from Myersville MD
Great Great Truth and analogy it is the crux of any question or conception. It especially applies to ungodly or evil concepts. There, you will observe the clear, concise facts between GOOD and evil.
@@autumnsky32able You are engaging in one of the oldest deciever tricks. I didn't make the claim and it is not up to me to prove anything. Your sky spirit is imaginary left overs from a primitive time. Your logic is flawed, your intent is deceitful, and what your doing is shameful. The universe is natural, get used to it.
@@bible1st I have, and it is totally obvious that your story is mostly plagerized from other texts, made up want to be writers, and down right lies. Further, belief does not constitute fact. Your only fooling yourself. Religion is dying world wide and your rediculous assertions are speeding it along. Thank you for that.
So true your foundational beliefs determine where you argue from. As a Christian Christ is at the centre of my position. But to non believers this will make no sense only problem is there basis for argument is on very shaky ground ......
OK MATE Firstly, You can't spell the word THEIR correctly Secondly, You said CHRIST IS AT THE CENTRE OF YOUR POSITION, right ? so, let me ask you ? do you BELIEVE in christ ? in the spirit of saving time. i'll assume you answer YES so here is the problem.... If the centre of your argument is CHRIST Why do you not ABSOLUTELY KNOW that he exists ? I have a heart, it's at the centre of my body I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE A HEART, I KNOW I HAVE A HEART I've proven it, I've seen it in X-Rays I KNOW IT'S THERE You dont' know, so actually your argument is on shaky ground. But here's the funny part CHRIST ACTUALLY DID EXIST, he was actually a real person. I KNOW THAT the difference is............... YOU DON'T it's weird huh ? and you know why you don't ? Because religion has taught you TO NEVER RESEARCH THIS STUFF doesn't it make more sense , that if you love christ that you would learn all that you can about him AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT HE EXISTS Now, a lot of christians will say "Yes i do " No they don't !, What they mean is.... They BELIEVE You're not supposed to have to believe You're supposed to know what you know and THAT.... would strengthen your relationship with christ As long as you BELIEVE your relationship with him is limited Now you said Non believers, their argument is on shaky ground again it's SHAKEY not SHAKY but... I don't know which argument you refer to but i'll tell you one that is on rock solid ground THE BIBLE IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD Absolutely not Now if you think that one is on shakey ground what you do is CALL THE PUBLISHER THAT WROTE THE BOOK CALL TEH SOURCE You ask them "is this book that you wrote, God's literal words" the cool thing about this is (and i was intrigued when i found this out) - They know it's not because they created the book and decided what to put in it, so it's written by man and man decided what to put in it - But LEGALLY they are not allowed to mis represent - it's also not just about NOT ALLOWED, it's not even in their interest to lie to you because it opens up such an opportunity for you legally See, any shit that happens in your life as a result of god not helping you or answering your prayers can be slapped onto them for liability, they would be paying you millions, then there would be a class action and they would pay anyone else affected, Essentially the entire world LOL it would ruin them, it'd be in the Trillions TO AVOID THIS, all they have to do is say this - The bible is not god's word - The bible is sold on an AS IS Basis - We are not responsible for your assumptions while reading the bible - The bible is not intended to be taken literally - it's just a story and there you have it.... DENIABILITY and they know they can straight up tell you the truth because religion has indoctrinated you to believe nothing other than THE BIBLE IS GOD'S WORD it's like what Jack sparrow said that bloke says "well if he was telling the truth why we have told us" and jack says "Unless of course he knew you wouldn't believe the truth even if it was told to you" so yeah mate TRUTH IS THE BIBLE IS NOT ACTUALLY GOD'S WORD Now.. do you believe it ? Probably not huh You know why BECAUSE YOU........"BELIEVE" Now you could make 1 phone call to verify this but... You won't will you LOL there you go...... that's truth for you if you like truth There is no Shakey ground here You either make a call can get the answer or you don't but yeah SELF AFFIRMATIONS work for christians huh ? Statements like "they are on shakey ground" "they hate god" "The end times are near" "one day they will be judged" "we are the righteous" SEE HERE IS HOW YOU BREAK DOWN EACH ONE AND IT'S MEANING "they are on shakey ground" This is a reverse psychology thing to get you believing that YOU are NOT on shakey ground when in fact you are it's a shit position to be in, but fact is, at one point you chose to believe the thing that wasn't real, You then couldn't break away from it "they hate god" Atheist's actually don't hate god, but christians say this to feel HIGHER than Atheists, it's actually rather selfish and the bible forbids putting yourself above others, BUT HEY, THEY STILL DO IT THOUGH "The end times are near" This is an excuse to think they are correct. it always has to be vague and non measurable to survive "one day they will be judged" This allows a christian to believe they are excluded from judgement and guaranteed salvation THAT'S BULLSHIT No one is saved ALL will be judged... ALL! "we are the righteous" and this means WE THINK WE ARE BETTER THAN YOU
@@robmarshall956 LOL, well... if i haven't attentioned my comment to anyone with the @ symbol then i'm commenting on the video(OBVIOUSLY) Who did you think i was addressing ?
So happy that your an Australian, it makes me believe that not all Aussie's hate religion, Ken Ham & yourself are great, especially since your only 33 and not apart of the younger generational ignorant confident thinking.
J. A. Froude said that one is taught to think by having to deal with the content of a hard book. He might not of recommended the Bible as that hard book, but I would.
Martyn's step by step approach on a scriptural subject, opens the mind to 'Think' about the foundation it is built upon. Genesis 1, or the Beginning is where it all started and poses 'two' questions, what does the word 'God' actually mean? and, who or what is God? What does the word 'God' actually mean? The word 'God' is an English Translation of the Hebrew: אלהים ALaHaYM. The Hebrew indicates more than 'One', being the plural of the singular Hebrew: אלה ALaH. The English Translation of the Hebrew is therefore wrong as the word 'God' is singular. Genesis should read, 'In the Beginning ALaHaYM (the Gods) created the Heavens and the Earth'. The Translation of Scripture has focused on the 'Singular' (God) rather than on the 'Unity' of ALaHaYM. Who or what is 'God' or more correctly 'ALaHaYM'? We now know that 'ALaHaYM' created the Heavens and the Earth. They created Man in their own image and in their likeness, Genesis 1:27. We only have to look at each other to know what 'ALaHaYM' look like, but there is a vast difference when it comes to what we, or they, are made of. ALaHaYM are 'Spirit' and immortal, living forever. We can't see them, unless they want us to. We are 'Flesh' and mortal, we die. Our life is 'Spirit' but our bodies have substance, Flesh, Bone, and Blood. Through Faith, we believe that someday we will become like them, 1 Corinthians 15:48-49. Throughout the Scriptures we are shown that the ALaHaYM are the 'Father' and 'Son' who Created all things, including us!
"And when they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not be anxious about how you should defend yourself or what you should say, for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.” Luke 12:11-12
I a 66 year old woman love ur videos, i realised many years ago that its all about Jesus all of it and the answers all of them are in the Bible, its not just a book but a living word
Every lumberjack knows this principle, chop at the base and the whole tree comes down. What does that say of us who spend our time hacking near the top of the tree?
People's faith in the Word of God is all they need, they don't even need a full knowledge of it, just a strong faith of it. One may not have an answer for everything ask, but just knowing and believing that it's God Word is enough.
If God created the world and life, and he loves us then, as history seems to indicate, He would let us know about himself and connect with us and provide a solution to evil. If he did create us and doesnt care then it doesnt matter. If we came by chance through "evolutionary process" with no inteligent design, then this convo doesnt matter to atheists or christians. Its every man for himself which is the way the world is going now the "enlightned masses" (many of whom i see comments from here) have shed this old notion of a creator God. I am glad I have God and His law of love plus the promise of His return for his people to guide me and give me hope as the secularly influenced world goes to poo.
0:15 You are right ..the biblical stories are built of straw and sand with a mixture of embelishment retold upteen times so you would be totally confused as to what is fact and what is fiction..amen
If you are an atheist how do you answer the question why? If you have a materialistic deterministic foundation for your beliefs, what or who are you appealing to?
What we have hear is “a failure to communicate “ our views in a clear and concise way. Perhaps we can discuss this at another time with better results.
I read an article where Russell Moore, former policy head of the Southern Baptist Convention talks about preaching the gospels today. He said that if he mentions the Sermon on the Mount, Christians often refuse to believe he's quoting Jesus, because the ideas are considered too liberal. Jesus was apparently too woke, for his followers.
I hear what you are saying but I would say he is more centrists. When the religious people brought a woman caught in adultery he called out their hypocrisy but in the end he said ‘ I will not condemn you , leave your life of sin’ . Jesus demanded a heart of honour but he also honoured others decision to turn away. Forgiveness is the key to be set free but also in the Lord’s Prayer in Mathew it says ‘ for if you don’t forgive others their sin , your sins also will not be forgiven’. In the current war on woke , it’s the woke bullies that are opposed. William/ lia Thomas is smashing women in sports because he is pretending to be a woman to win medals, in response to that many people who support womens rights are saying no to companies like bud lite when they push this woke religion. People are being made to take a side when love and respect needs to be foremost. When a trans person is taking away a woman’s rights we side with the woman. I could go on but anyway. Love in Christ , your brother Garry.
Is Martin saying the Japanese can't think because they believe in Shintoism? Is Martin saying the Thais and Laotians can't think because they are Buddhists? His argument "demolishing secularism" falls apart quickly when his Euro-centrist attitudes are revealed.
When you edify a child, you edify Jesus Christ and visa versa. If you want advice, ask a child. If you want a solution, ask a child. If you want the TRUTH, ask a child. Those who reject our Lord, are antichrist. They have NO foundation. Only through the Holy Spirit, can we truely discern. He brings us into remembrance, making the King James 1611 Bible( the only perfect Word) so easy, a child can read and understand it, because that's what a truely saved Christian is, a child of God. For anyone who hasn't come to Christ, who has been brainwashed/ indoctrinated in a satanic/ religious school system, soaking up mainstream tv, has been programmed to obey, to conform, to think, behave and react the same as the majority. Most of all, society has been programmed to blame God for everything. .All of that, goes against the very essence of what God created us to be, People really believe that they are making their own independent decisions, when really, they are serving satan( fear, deceived, confused, gaslighted, entitled, proud etc) Ireland is in a coma🙈 I really enjoyed this video!🇬🇧🇬🇧🇮🇪🇮🇪
a good way to explain evolution to the folks who "don't get it" - it's like language, latin is the common ancestor to italian, portugese and spanish, but at no point did a roman give birth to a spanish speaker, romans only begat romans (!) words got added to latin and words became redundant until it evolved into spanish, spanish, italian and portugese are all "cousins" like humans and apes, and "if spanish is evolved from latin, why is there still latin" - why are there still apes, the answer should be obvious, latin did not have to "become extinct" for spanish to evolve.
The ESV is not the word of God. It cannot even get the 1st verse correct. Gen 1:1 ESV2011 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Use the KJB: Gen 1:1 KJV In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. See the difference?
Atheists, at least online, are now claiming there was no beginning with the intent to use the multiverse as the theory of choice for explaining our Universe... I've yet to get a coherent response to the rejoinders, 'Who created the multiverse?' and 'How can you prove the existence of the Multiverse?' Many or even most of these people cannot be reasoned with. Do you have a video on how you manage that type of interaction?
Some Atheists claim that there MAY be more than one Universe. Apparently certain features of the universe seem to require the existence of a multiverse, experts tell us, nothing has been directly observed that suggests it actually exists. So far, the evidence supporting the idea of a multiverse is purely theoretical. The question 'Who created the multiverse?' could be viewed as the same as "Who created god" but the answer to the second question is simple. Humankind. The answer to the first question is "we don't know, yet".
The core principles of fundemental, supernatural and spiritual creationists is based wholly on scripture. The core principles of fundemental, natural and epistimological evolutionists is based on justifiable truth and knowledge. Application of "bakers" "watchmakers" etc is interpretation, not design argument. Diamonds are "baked" as a consequence of heat and pressure, not a celestial Baker. Watches are pre-assembled by other parties, not the maker who applies his name post-production.
Why did God make humans? To offer those who repent of rebelling against Him salvation to eternal life with Him. The one purpose of creation is to redeem all who reject satan and choose salvation through Jesus Christ. I know this answer prompts more questions but think about it. People who reject or ignore salvation are wasting the very purpose of this life. God is doing this only out of love for us.
Lost me on the cake. The cake was made to eat. If before Martin revealed who made the cake, asked who made it, no one could have answered. Just saying. Love Martin’s work always.
There weren't many secularist's argrments demolished in this video. But here's a question. If God existed before the beginning of the universe, for how long did God exist? Did God exist for an infinite amount of time? If not, when did God begin? And if God existed for an infinite amount of time before creating the universe, why did God suddenly decide to make the universe? Did he get bored? Want some new hobby? One would have thought playing with the angels would have been enough. Oh yeah, those angels, when did they come on the scene? Did God create the angels? If God did create the angels, how is it that one of them became Satan, wnd why couldn't God just un-create Satan? Would have saved a lot of trouble. Finally, if God is not infinitely old, that means God was created somewhere along the way. Now, I know that Christians demand a creator for the universe. If God was created somewhere along the way, God must have been created by someone who was more powerful and omnipotent. Christians demand that, just the way they demand the universe has a creator.
God is known as the unmoved mover. If something is moved today it is moved by something that is being moved by something. If there was no unmoved mover this would result in infinite regress.
“For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.” - 2 Cor 10:3-5 Sadly, John Lennox does not hold God and His revelation out as the Ultimate Authority, the Highest Court of Appeal and the Final Arbiter that decides what is true and what is not (or, as THE TRUTH, with a capital ‘T’)- instead, he insists upon ‘thinking after the Fool’ (ruclips.net/video/7Ii46kW12Zo/видео.html), rather than ‘thinking God’s thoughts after Him’ (Rom 12:1,2)
Any atheists watching this wondering if there is a new and interesting argument put forth here will be sorely disappointed. I cannot imagine the speaker feels these is an appropriate, or even relevant, title for this video.
Are you an atheist? I am a theist and I am pretty disappointed with this video. I should have known better. Who could possibly believe a debate like atheism vs theism could possibly be resolved in a 9 min. video. I fell for the click bait again.
@@virgilcrowe7795 yep. I wasn’t expecting the debate to be resolved in 9 min, but I was at least expecting an interesting argument. I hope the speaker didn’t title this video himself.
Brilliant! Why did God make the Earth?…will never be known unless we read Gods mind where He liked what He had made…and then says let us make a mane likes us …the us being …father Son and the Holy Ghost!. A co-creator to subdue the earth !
You start by assuming a foundation for a god based on a statement in an old book. This in no way DEMOLISHES anything about secularism. You need to do a lot better than that!
I take it back and I'm not remotely offended - it was merely false click bait advertising as there was not A SINGLE thing in here about secularisation.
You don't teach clear thinking by telling people that a 600 year old man built the largest wooden boat in history over the course of 100 years with the help of angels. LOL
@@ji8044Strawman fallacy much? You call mud evolving into mudskippers and mudlarks, E Coli evolving into Ecologists and Bacteria evolving into Biologists clear thinking?
@@hwd7 I don't think you know the first thing about evolution, unless of course you were trying to make fun of someone who didn't know anything about evolution in that comment.
@@ji8044 I know that natural selection cannot explain the origin of the tree of life, let alone the origin of Kingdoms, Orders, Phylum, Classes, of all the various animals. All we observe is speciation within the created Biblical Kinds. So chemicals to chemists evolution is not scientific.
So, in other words, start from the position that: (1) You (or someone you might quote) can't possibly be mistaken when they say or write something about a deity and (2) others can't possibly have reasonable doubts about your claim. This is otherwise known on school playgrounds around the world as the "Nah-yah, Nah-ya" strategy.
It's laughable that this guy thinks he can teach critical thinking. Belief in any God is lazy thinking. When you want an explanation for things you don't understand it's easy and lazy to make up a magical being to explain it.
God was there in the beginning? And your proof is the Bible? You’re already off to a bad start. You can’t empirically “prove” that claim is factual. By concluding that you’ve already automatically eliminated any other possible empirical mechanism that could explain the “beginning. That’s called “jumping to conclusions”. If god is the “cause” of everything? If so he’s also the cause of sin.
@@Do_not_at_me_bro All one has to do is know some basic principles of the scientific discipline of physics. THAT is empirical evidence to support my opinion. And it's far more evidence than you can produce for anything different relating to god. Since you don't seem to have a very through understanding of physics I'll give you a brief explanation. Assuming god did create the universe... all one needs do is examine the very nature of the material universe. What is it made of? Atoms and molecules. And what is the very nature of atoms and molecules? They are imperfect, they are in a constant state of change. "Perfection" by definition is a state of existence in which something is "free of fault or defect", "an unsurpassable degree of accuracy or excellence" and it means that were it to change in any way it would no longer be perfect. An example would be how most people conceptualize "god". But in the [real] natural world there is no such thing as perfection because all matter is in a constant state of change. Now, according to theists, who created the natural universe? And what did god make the universe out of? Matter... an imperfect substance. What's another name for imperfection according to theists? "Sin". So at the very beginning of the universe, if god created the universe he created an imperfect or "sinful" universe simply because of the nature of matter. Since it's a matter of FACT that matter is in a constant state of change, and assuming god created everything, then it was god that created sin [imperfection]. It wasn't a matter of "free will" as theists like to rationalize. Instead people are material beings and if god created people [which is what theists claim] then god created sin. It is an inherent quality of humanity as material beings to be imperfect. Conclusion; "man" was created as an imperfect being. Sin is not our fault since we had no say in our creation. It is just to blame god for sin as god created everything. Question; If you paint a picture and when done you decide it was not the picture you wanted, do you blame the picture for being faulty or does one blame the painter?
@@msmd3295So you're using something Christians invented to try and disprove Christianity. Principles are not empirical evidence to support your judgement. You are basing your worldview off non matter things and not matter itself. Did you know there is a field of study in metaphysics, psychology and philosophy? This is all studying the non material things that affect people everyday in a profound way. I'll give it to you that the outcome of whether God exists or not should not be fixed on someone whose worldview isn't already shaped by their sense making and experience, that is up to the individual as the individual is subjective in nature. In short, the existence of God cannot be proven by just studying matter, as God is non-matter, but you cannot discredit the idea of non matter things by using principles because principles are non matter.
@@msmd3295As for freewill and determinism, they are non matter and exist in the realm of philosophy. Now I see freewill and determinism go hand in hand and not opposed to each other. I didn't choose to be born, I didn't choose my genes or parents or location I grew up with, so I do see determinism in that degree. Freewill I see as responding to these deterministic things, so I am free to respond or say whatever I like, free to do whatever I want ECT. As for imperfect and perfect. I think you see those words as "pure" and "corrupt" ie. "Without a spot or blemish" The message the bible is trying to convey with perfect / imperfect is more like getting a perfect score on a test, or in 10 pin bowling, or archery, or darts. In other words "complete" "incomplete" Here's also how sin is described: "incomplete" "missing the mark" ie. Not getting a perfect score on a test, or 10 pin bowling. So if you're gonna go by the creation story and assume it's true, we have to go by the words how God described it, "good" and "very good" those words describe in degree of "good" so God said His creation was good, not perfect. I think you conflated, good with perfect. And there are talks about good vs perfect. So when you say God created sin, I agree, God's creation is incomplete. Finally to answer your question about the painter / painting, I'd say it's neither the paintings nor the painter's fault. I make something I want to see, and I'm satisfied with it, but then I look at it again at another time and I change my mind and make some tweaks. I don't destroy the design completely, I find what I can salvage and edit out the things I don't like and work with what I've salvaged until I find it holds my satisfaction. There is a quote I about art. "Art is never finished, only abandoned"
There is nothing we can do to defend our faith because we all have no faith to be able to believe! The only beliefs we can come up with is secular faith of the flesh! We can only be saved by the faith Jesus had while living in the flesh on earth. And this is the faith we all need as a gift from God to even believe that Jesus is the only way the truth and the life to be saved. You know the scriptures where it is written we are saved by grace, through faith, and this is not from yourselves but a gift from God. Stop leaning on your own understanding people! Because it is written " Lean not on your own understanding"! So wake up from the dead(sleep)!!!💤😴
@@bobgriffith1810 You said it right! The answer is not available to the secular mind! Just like you Bob Griffith! My comments are spiritually discerned for the ones that's been chosen to be saved, converted and born again from above in the spiritual Church. I see you have been called by the hearing of the Word(scriptures) also, and many are called but few(puny) are saved.
The beginning has to have a first mover. An unmoved mover. Or an uncaused cause. We attribute that to God. If everything was already in motion without an unmoved mover then that would resolve in an infinite regress.
Really, this is how you demolish secular arguments? You take the first line of a centuries old religious text, whose content varies depending upon which sub branch of religion defines it and base all future arguments on that? Martyn's audience is too committed to its belief system and has suspended its critical thinking skills, otherwise it would laugh out loud.
Any middle schooler can get online and research the various creation myths. Whether they be Samarian, Babylonia, Egyptian, or Greek; there are any number of possibilities from which our creation story was derived.
So, how exactly does this demolish secular arguments? All you did was ramble on about what the bible says.... Well, guess what? You forget that most secular people dont care what the bible says. So you haven't really demolished anything. You have just made a bunch of claims with the bible as your evidence. (The Bible is the claim, not the evidence)
@@ewencameron1548 Soon you will find out that there is no God and when we die, we just return back to the earth from which we came. Pretty pathetic argument if all you're going to do is say, " you will know the truth once you're dead!" 😂
Ah. The Matt Dillahunty argument. "I don't care if the rest of the world believes it, I don't" that argument downright rejects historians just because you think it's only a claim. The Bible has more outside sources that validate it than most other historic books/events. A person can use the "it's only a claim" on literrally anything. It's pseduo-philosophic and it's ridiculous. It just means. "I will not believe, even though there's a pretty high probability I should" Matt Dillahunty. The debater that uses the most childish way to argument is spreading this way of thinking. Not saying he's not intellectual. But man are his arguments stupid. He's not even sure he exists. I read enough of philosophy before I came in to faith that I know, you can absolutely crush any real thing with philosophical thinking. You can deny your own existence. You can deny snow is snow. You can deny the sky is blue. But at the end of the day. It's just a way to escape the truth. It's pretty nasty to realize that living in sin isn't good for you. Took me 30 years of mocking and arguing against God to realize I was wrong. Even if you're not a believer the Bible is the Bedrock of the entire western civilization. Literature, morals, values. Christianity brought peace and order to pagans, start a ton of colleges and universities. Also stopped Islam from enslaving Europe. There are a bunch of reasons to care for the Bible and Christianity, even if you don't believe.
But that's your crux point...you have come with an anti-Bible presupposition. But have you actually read it? And then read a wide range of scholarly books on it, for and against the Bible? Until you have, you will always have your blinkered bias. So that is your "crux", as the speaker is saying.
Yes I've read it - without first presupposing that it was written by a god. If it was the 'word of god' , why would you need to read other books to explain it, why couldn't god make himself clear?@@cliffwade8151
God created us so he could have a family. Remember his only begotten son ? We are the rest of his family. At least those who have chosen to be a part of his family, free choice ! Your ant liked chocolate cake and wanted to share with you what she thought was delicious, because she loved you. I've been enjoying your words.
I'm afraid I'm still waiting for the promised hammer blow to secularist thought. You say to go to the beginning of someone's argument and tear it down. But you conveniently didn't start at the beginning. You started with the assumption this book you are so enamored with is actually true and argued from there. The beginning would be to determine if this book full of stories and edicts from Bronze Age Palestine is actually true or merely a fiction like every other mythology you don't believe in. Every statement you made was from the viewpoint that the words in that book are actually true. Unfortunately for you no one so far has had any luck in actually proving that they are.
total religious nonsense...wish you would just concentrate on good ethics, good personal behavior and social welfare issues...leave the rest to people who know what they are talking about(definitely not old dudes from the bible who were clueless)..amen
@@johnrichards6080 Very well put. I didn't intend my comment to be an argument for creation. Just sharing my experience that yes, sometimes you actually do need to plant and grow the grass. Well... really all you need to do is plant it and maybe water it. Like you said, it does the growing all by itself. I do think that you can't entirely rule out the *possibility* that there is a creator who is the reason why the grass can grow on it's own. Just like there had to be a programmer who wrote the code for Google, which is why it works like it does. But we have no way of really knowing so for all we know there is no creator, there is one creator, there are many creators... heck maybe there are all kinds of spirits and gods and such and *none* of them created our universe. Life is a mystery and that's beautiful.
I read on another creationist site that only Christians can go to heaven. I pointed out that means Jesus himself, his mother, all his family and followers at the time of his death, are not in heaven because they were all born, lived, and died as Jews. Christianity itself didn't exist in the time of Jesus or for many decades later. Needless to say I am blocked from commenting on that site now.
@@robmarshall956 "You sound like you are hear to educate us all on a matter you have zero understanding of." Well I know the difference between using "hear" and "here", so would that be a better place to start with you?
You follow a man made God who could not die for your sins if you believe the true words of God, Ezekiel 18 :20 The soul that sins, it shall die; a son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, and a father shall not bear the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. כהַנֶּ֥פֶשׁ הַֽחֹטֵ֖את הִ֣יא תָמ֑וּת בֵּ֞ן לֹֽא־יִשָּׂ֣א | בַּֽעֲוֹ֣ן הָאָ֗ב וְאָב֙ לֹ֚א יִשָּׂא֙ בַּֽעֲוֹ֣ן הַבֵּ֔ן צִדְקַ֚ת הַצַּדִּיק֙ עָלָ֣יו תִּֽהְיֶ֔ה וְרִשְׁעַ֥ת הָֽרָשָׁ֖ע (כתיב רָשָׁ֖ע) עָלָ֥יו תִּֽהְיֶֽה: 21 And if the wicked man repent of all his sins that he has committed and keeps all My laws and executes justice and righteousness, he shall surely live, he shall not die. כאוְהָֽרָשָׁ֗ע כִּ֚י יָשׁוּב֙ מִכָּל־חַטֹּאתָיו֙ (כתיב חַטֹּאתָו֙) אֲשֶׁ֣ר עָשָׂ֔ה וְשָׁמַר֙ אֶת־כָּל־חֻקּוֹתַ֔י וְעָשָׂ֥ה מִשְׁפָּ֖ט וּצְדָקָ֑ה חָיֹ֥ה יִחְיֶ֖ה לֹ֥א יָמֽוּת: These are the words of God not the church, and God said his Laws are forever not until Paul decides they are not.
Ask Martin Isles how much he has in the bank and you will probably find he has much more than the average person who takes any notice of the rubbish he pedalsl.
And of cause his argument stands on the existence of a god, unfortunately never been proven to exist, SO YOU ARE TOLD TO UES THE FAITH SYSTEM basically lying to yourself.
If God can do anything, why did He have sinful man write the Bible when He could’ve wrote itHimself? Or better yet, why doesn’t God just make Himself available to answer questions of anyone at anytime? 🤪
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I remember so well , not being able to think. It was trauma based and seemed impossible to overcome…devastating to live with - and then came Jesus.
Same here, and then came Jesus.❤
But God 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
HALLELUJAH
God used Freedom in Christ by Neal Anderson to heal my trauma. Praise God!
I was the exact opposite.
My college professor told me that the purpose of getting an education is to teach you how to think because you’ll never remember what you learned in college or university! I can’t agree more.
I really enjoy listening to you, Martyn. You're a great role model for young men (like myself and my brother) who want to live godly lives.
Archie
lol, what on earth is a godly life? you want to be immaterial and spaceless? lol
0:11. No, you don't "hone in on the crux of the issue; you "home in" ..as in a "homing Pigeon" or a "homing missile."
To hone means to sharpen (hone an ax; hone one's skills); to home mean to arrive accurately (homing in on the munitions plant).
Rev 4:11 - Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
The principles of critical thinking are invaluable too.
Amen and Amen brother in Christ, Love and Blessings always from Perth Western Australia 🇦🇺 ❤
Thank you for you posts they sure are so confirming to a 72urs old woman who has walked or tried to navigate the ever-changing downgrading of societal acceptance of Taboos that has been on Earth since time immemorial. Love greetings and blessings from Myersville MD
Great video and I’ve subscribed. Personally I’d rather just watch you speaking than see other pictures/videos pop up -but that’s just me.
Did you forget to post the rest of the video? I didn't get to the demolition part.
Great Great Truth and analogy it is the crux of any question or conception. It especially applies to ungodly or evil concepts. There, you will observe the clear, concise facts between GOOD and evil.
I like the thought that God made man to "love and be loved by". And by His Grace and provision we will be brought into that relationship.
John 3:16-18
Excellent video.
The Universal Information Literacies Association (UiLA)
Washington, DC
Critical thinking is a key that unlocks information literacy.
Very good
God has no beginning nor end, He is eternal.
And imaginary
Can you prove that?
@@autumnsky32able You are engaging in one of the oldest deciever tricks. I didn't make the claim and it is not up to me to prove anything.
Your sky spirit is imaginary left overs from a primitive time. Your logic is flawed, your intent is deceitful, and what your doing is shameful.
The universe is natural, get used to it.
We don't need to prove that, we believe it. Thats all you need to know. Go and do your own due dilligence. 🤷♂️
@@bible1st I have, and it is totally obvious that your story is mostly plagerized from other texts, made up want to be writers, and down right lies.
Further, belief does not constitute fact. Your only fooling yourself. Religion is dying world wide and your rediculous assertions are speeding it along. Thank you for that.
So true your foundational beliefs determine where you argue from.
As a Christian Christ is at the centre of my position.
But to non believers this will make no sense only problem is there basis for argument is on very shaky ground ......
@@michaelrhodes1981how so ?
OK MATE
Firstly, You can't spell the word THEIR correctly
Secondly, You said CHRIST IS AT THE CENTRE OF YOUR POSITION, right ?
so, let me ask you ? do you BELIEVE in christ ?
in the spirit of saving time. i'll assume you answer YES
so here is the problem....
If the centre of your argument is CHRIST Why do you not ABSOLUTELY KNOW that he exists ?
I have a heart, it's at the centre of my body
I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE A HEART, I KNOW I HAVE A HEART
I've proven it, I've seen it in X-Rays I KNOW IT'S THERE
You dont' know, so actually your argument is on shaky ground.
But here's the funny part
CHRIST ACTUALLY DID EXIST, he was actually a real person.
I KNOW THAT
the difference is............... YOU DON'T
it's weird huh ?
and you know why you don't ?
Because religion has taught you TO NEVER RESEARCH THIS STUFF
doesn't it make more sense , that if you love christ that you would learn all that you can about him
AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT HE EXISTS
Now, a lot of christians will say "Yes i do "
No they don't !, What they mean is....
They BELIEVE
You're not supposed to have to believe
You're supposed to know what you know
and THAT.... would strengthen your relationship with christ
As long as you BELIEVE your relationship with him is limited
Now you said
Non believers, their argument is on shaky ground
again it's SHAKEY not SHAKY
but... I don't know which argument you refer to
but i'll tell you one that is on rock solid ground
THE BIBLE IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD
Absolutely not
Now if you think that one is on shakey ground
what you do is
CALL THE PUBLISHER THAT WROTE THE BOOK
CALL TEH SOURCE
You ask them
"is this book that you wrote, God's literal words"
the cool thing about this is (and i was intrigued when i found this out)
- They know it's not because they created the book and decided what to put in it,
so it's written by man and man decided what to put in it
- But LEGALLY they are not allowed to mis represent
- it's also not just about NOT ALLOWED, it's not even in their interest to lie to you
because it opens up such an opportunity for you legally
See, any shit that happens in your life as a result of god not helping you or answering your prayers can be slapped onto them for liability, they would be paying you millions, then there would be a class action and they would pay anyone else affected, Essentially the entire world LOL
it would ruin them, it'd be in the Trillions
TO AVOID THIS, all they have to do is say this
- The bible is not god's word
- The bible is sold on an AS IS Basis
- We are not responsible for your assumptions while reading the bible
- The bible is not intended to be taken literally
- it's just a story
and there you have it.... DENIABILITY
and they know they can straight up tell you the truth because religion has indoctrinated you to believe nothing other than THE BIBLE IS GOD'S WORD
it's like what Jack sparrow said
that bloke says
"well if he was telling the truth why we have told us"
and jack says
"Unless of course he knew you wouldn't believe the truth even if it was told to you"
so yeah mate TRUTH IS
THE BIBLE IS NOT ACTUALLY GOD'S WORD
Now.. do you believe it ?
Probably not huh
You know why
BECAUSE YOU........"BELIEVE"
Now you could make 1 phone call to verify this
but... You won't will you
LOL
there you go...... that's truth for you if you like truth
There is no Shakey ground here
You either make a call can get the answer
or you don't
but yeah SELF AFFIRMATIONS work for christians huh ?
Statements like
"they are on shakey ground"
"they hate god"
"The end times are near"
"one day they will be judged"
"we are the righteous"
SEE HERE IS HOW YOU BREAK DOWN EACH ONE AND IT'S MEANING
"they are on shakey ground"
This is a reverse psychology thing to get you believing that YOU are NOT on shakey ground when in fact you are
it's a shit position to be in, but fact is, at one point you chose to believe the thing that wasn't real, You then couldn't break away from it
"they hate god"
Atheist's actually don't hate god, but christians say this to feel HIGHER than Atheists, it's actually rather selfish and the bible forbids putting yourself above others, BUT HEY, THEY STILL DO IT THOUGH
"The end times are near"
This is an excuse to think they are correct. it always has to be vague and non measurable to survive
"one day they will be judged"
This allows a christian to believe they are excluded from judgement and guaranteed salvation
THAT'S BULLSHIT
No one is saved
ALL will be judged... ALL!
"we are the righteous"
and this means WE THINK WE ARE BETTER THAN YOU
@@martinkuliza ummm who are you addressing my friend ?
@@michaelrhodes1981
I don't know,
What is an "FW " ? in the first place
@@robmarshall956
LOL, well...
if i haven't attentioned my comment to anyone with the @ symbol
then i'm commenting on the video(OBVIOUSLY)
Who did you think i was addressing ?
So happy that your an Australian, it makes me believe that not all Aussie's hate religion, Ken Ham & yourself are great, especially since your only 33 and not apart of the younger generational ignorant confident thinking.
J. A. Froude said that one is taught to think by having to deal with the content of a hard book. He might not of recommended the Bible as that hard book, but I would.
When you exist in an intellectual bubble its easy to think can demolish arguments from the outside the bubble.
It's a good thing I pop as many intellectual bubbles and not get cozy in just one.
Martyn's step by step approach on a scriptural subject, opens the mind to 'Think' about the foundation it is built upon. Genesis 1, or the Beginning is where it all started and poses 'two' questions, what does the word 'God' actually mean? and, who or what is God?
What does the word 'God' actually mean?
The word 'God' is an English Translation of the Hebrew: אלהים ALaHaYM. The Hebrew indicates more than 'One', being the plural of the singular Hebrew: אלה ALaH. The English Translation of the Hebrew is therefore wrong as the word 'God' is singular. Genesis should read, 'In the Beginning ALaHaYM (the Gods) created the Heavens and the Earth'. The Translation of Scripture has focused on the 'Singular' (God) rather than on the 'Unity' of ALaHaYM.
Who or what is 'God' or more correctly 'ALaHaYM'?
We now know that 'ALaHaYM' created the Heavens and the Earth. They created Man in their own image and in their likeness, Genesis 1:27. We only have to look at each other to know what 'ALaHaYM' look like, but there is a vast difference when it comes to what we, or they, are made of.
ALaHaYM are 'Spirit' and immortal, living forever. We can't see them, unless they want us to. We are 'Flesh' and mortal, we die. Our life is 'Spirit' but our bodies have substance, Flesh, Bone, and Blood. Through Faith, we believe that someday we will become like them, 1 Corinthians 15:48-49. Throughout the Scriptures we are shown that the ALaHaYM are the 'Father' and 'Son' who Created all things, including us!
… well at one point, in a classical education course, after grammar came logic & rhetoric - learning to think & express thought. …
Happy Tuesday everyone.......or is it Monday for you ? Either way....blessings from Sydney Australia .
PS....and appreciation also .
Blessings from Victoria ❤
"And when they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not be anxious about how you should defend yourself or what you should say, for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.”
Luke 12:11-12
Solid.💯👊
I a 66 year old woman love ur videos, i realised many years ago that its all about Jesus all of it and the answers all of them are in the Bible, its not just a book but a living word
Good one Bloke. God Bless.
Every lumberjack knows this principle, chop at the base and the whole tree comes down.
What does that say of us who spend our time hacking near the top of the tree?
People's faith in the Word of God is all they need, they don't even need a full knowledge of it, just a strong faith of it. One may not have an answer for everything ask, but just knowing and believing that it's God Word is enough.
How do we know that its gods' word?
@@bibleburner8426they have no idea. they just think they do.
Wow Martyn!
That is a brilliant lesson! Very deep and true to the point!
Praise the Lord!
If God created the world and life, and he loves us then, as history seems to indicate, He would let us know about himself and connect with us and provide a solution to evil.
If he did create us and doesnt care then it doesnt matter.
If we came by chance through "evolutionary process" with no inteligent design, then this convo doesnt matter to atheists or christians. Its every man for himself which is the way the world is going now the "enlightned masses" (many of whom i see comments from here) have shed this old notion of a creator God.
I am glad I have God and His law of love plus the promise of His return for his people to guide me and give me hope as the secularly influenced world goes to poo.
0:15 You are right ..the biblical stories are built of straw and sand with a mixture of embelishment retold upteen times so you would be totally confused as to what is fact and what is fiction..amen
If you are an atheist how do you answer the question why? If you have a materialistic deterministic foundation for your beliefs, what or who are you appealing to?
Appeal to for what?
@@ji8044 With your worldview what is your justification for asking and expecting an answer to any question you pose with a why?
@@nick7977 Atheists don't pose questions to deities of any kind. I'm being respectful but I can't follow where you're going with this.
What we have hear is “a failure to communicate “ our views in a clear and concise way. Perhaps we can discuss this at another time with better results.
@@nick7977 Fair enough.
Thank you Mr ills! 👍🏻
Love is our motive. We make cakes + to Bless!
I read an article where Russell Moore, former policy head of the Southern Baptist Convention talks about preaching the gospels today. He said that if he mentions the Sermon on the Mount, Christians often refuse to believe he's quoting Jesus, because the ideas are considered too liberal. Jesus was apparently too woke, for his followers.
I hear what you are saying but I would say he is more centrists. When the religious people brought a woman caught in adultery he called out their hypocrisy but in the end he said ‘ I will not condemn you , leave your life of sin’ . Jesus demanded a heart of honour but he also honoured others decision to turn away. Forgiveness is the key to be set free but also in the Lord’s Prayer in Mathew it says ‘ for if you don’t forgive others their sin , your sins also will not be forgiven’. In the current war on woke , it’s the woke bullies that are opposed. William/ lia Thomas is smashing women in sports because he is pretending to be a woman to win medals, in response to that many people who support womens rights are saying no to companies like bud lite when they push this woke religion. People are being made to take a side when love and respect needs to be foremost. When a trans person is taking away a woman’s rights we side with the woman. I could go on but anyway. Love in Christ , your brother Garry.
@@garryrichardson4572 If you think Southern Baptists are in any way "centrist"; we have an entirely different lexicon.
The picture "aides" during the session is unnecessary at best and very distracting & seems to cheapen subject at worst.
Is Martin saying the Japanese can't think because they believe in Shintoism? Is Martin saying the Thais and Laotians can't think because they are Buddhists? His argument "demolishing secularism" falls apart quickly when his Euro-centrist attitudes are revealed.
When you edify a child, you edify Jesus Christ and visa versa. If you want advice, ask a child. If you want a solution, ask a child. If you want the TRUTH, ask a child. Those who reject our Lord, are antichrist. They have NO foundation. Only through the Holy Spirit, can we truely discern. He brings us into remembrance, making the King James 1611 Bible( the only perfect Word) so easy, a child can read and understand it, because that's what a truely saved Christian is, a child of God. For anyone who hasn't come to Christ, who has been brainwashed/ indoctrinated in a satanic/ religious school system, soaking up mainstream tv, has been programmed to obey, to conform, to think, behave and react the same as the majority. Most of all, society has been programmed to blame God for everything. .All of that, goes against the very essence of what God created us to be, People really believe that they are making their own independent decisions, when really, they are serving satan( fear, deceived, confused, gaslighted, entitled, proud etc) Ireland is in a coma🙈 I really enjoyed this video!🇬🇧🇬🇧🇮🇪🇮🇪
a good way to explain evolution to the folks who "don't get it" - it's like language,
latin is the common ancestor to italian, portugese and spanish, but at no point did a roman give
birth to a spanish speaker, romans only begat romans (!) words got added to latin and words became redundant
until it evolved into spanish, spanish, italian and portugese are all "cousins" like humans and apes,
and "if spanish is evolved from latin, why is there still latin" - why are there still apes, the answer should
be obvious, latin did not have to "become extinct" for spanish to evolve.
The ESV is not the word of God. It cannot even get the 1st verse correct.
Gen 1:1 ESV2011 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
Use the KJB:
Gen 1:1 KJV In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
See the difference?
Yeah one is plural but heavens is plural as it means sky and skies is also plural.
Atheists, at least online, are now claiming there was no beginning with the intent to use the multiverse as the theory of choice for explaining our Universe... I've yet to get a coherent response to the rejoinders, 'Who created the multiverse?' and 'How can you prove the existence of the Multiverse?' Many or even most of these people cannot be reasoned with. Do you have a video on how you manage that type of interaction?
"Many or most of these people cannot be reasoned with" applies to atheists and believers in equal measure.
@@JenE3377 Something wrong with that term?
Some Atheists claim that there MAY be more than one Universe. Apparently certain features of the universe seem to require the existence of a multiverse, experts tell us, nothing has been directly observed that suggests it actually exists. So far, the evidence supporting the idea of a multiverse is purely theoretical. The question 'Who created the multiverse?' could be viewed as the same as "Who created god" but the answer to the second question is simple. Humankind. The answer to the first question is "we don't know, yet".
The core principles of fundemental, supernatural and spiritual creationists is based wholly on scripture.
The core principles of fundemental, natural and epistimological evolutionists is based on justifiable truth and knowledge.
Application of "bakers" "watchmakers" etc is interpretation, not design argument.
Diamonds are "baked" as a consequence of heat and pressure, not a celestial Baker.
Watches are pre-assembled by other parties, not the maker who applies his name post-production.
God’s answers to our questions are found in His Son, who is the Beginning in Genesis 1:1.
So why would God create life, DNA etc then disappear 🤔
Why did God make humans? To offer those who repent of rebelling against Him salvation to eternal life with Him. The one purpose of creation is to redeem all who reject satan and choose salvation through Jesus Christ.
I know this answer prompts more questions but think about it. People who reject or ignore salvation are wasting the very purpose of this life. God is doing this only out of love for us.
Lost me on the cake. The cake was made to eat. If before Martin revealed who made the cake, asked who made it, no one could have answered. Just saying. Love Martin’s work always.
I don't need to defend the lord Jesus Christ. HE is going to send ALL his enemies to hell before they know it.
How did Jesus conquer His enemies on His throne; the cross?
He identified with them in their sin
and forgave them.
Big Subject.
There weren't many secularist's argrments demolished in this video. But here's a question. If God existed before the beginning of the universe, for how long did God exist? Did God exist for an infinite amount of time? If not, when did God begin? And if God existed for an infinite amount of time before creating the universe, why did God suddenly decide to make the universe? Did he get bored? Want some new hobby? One would have thought playing with the angels would have been enough. Oh yeah, those angels, when did they come on the scene? Did God create the angels? If God did create the angels, how is it that one of them became Satan, wnd why couldn't God just un-create Satan? Would have saved a lot of trouble. Finally, if God is not infinitely old, that means God was created somewhere along the way. Now, I know that Christians demand a creator for the universe. If God was created somewhere along the way, God must have been created by someone who was more powerful and omnipotent. Christians demand that, just the way they demand the universe has a creator.
God is known as the unmoved mover. If something is moved today it is moved by something that is being moved by something. If there was no unmoved mover this would result in infinite regress.
No secularist arguments were harmed in the making of this movie.
😂😂😂
They definitely were.
@@l.c.8798you must have watched a different video
@@GordonPavilion nope!
@@GordonPavilion No, I just have a reality based, factual information biased, education.
“For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.” - 2 Cor 10:3-5
Sadly, John Lennox does not hold God and His revelation out as the Ultimate Authority, the Highest Court of Appeal and the Final Arbiter that decides what is true and what is not (or, as THE TRUTH, with a capital ‘T’)- instead, he insists upon ‘thinking after the Fool’ (ruclips.net/video/7Ii46kW12Zo/видео.html), rather than ‘thinking God’s thoughts after Him’ (Rom 12:1,2)
Any atheists watching this wondering if there is a new and interesting argument put forth here will be sorely disappointed. I cannot imagine the speaker feels these is an appropriate, or even relevant, title for this video.
Are you an atheist? I am a theist and I am pretty disappointed with this video. I should have known better. Who could possibly believe a debate like atheism vs theism could possibly be resolved in a 9 min. video. I fell for the click bait again.
@@virgilcrowe7795 yep. I wasn’t expecting the debate to be resolved in 9 min, but I was at least expecting an interesting argument. I hope the speaker didn’t title this video himself.
MIND
🙏💝🙏💝🙏💝🙏
Need weekly spiritual cleansing to weed out the tares. Wolves among the sheep.
Brilliant! Why did God make the Earth?…will never be known unless we read Gods mind where He liked what He had made…and then says let us make a mane likes us …the us being …father Son and the Holy Ghost!. A co-creator to subdue the earth !
: Why did God create the earth ? Haven't you read your Bible ? See Psalm 115 :16;
Isa 45 :18.
You start by assuming a foundation for a god based on a statement in an old book. This in no way DEMOLISHES anything about secularism. You need to do a lot better than that!
I take it back and I'm not remotely offended - it was merely false click bait advertising as there was not A SINGLE thing in here about secularisation.
They don't teach clear thinking at public school, I had to learn about it from reading Tactics by Greg Koukl and listening to Stand To Reason.
You don't teach clear thinking by telling people that a 600 year old man built the largest wooden boat in history over the course of 100 years with the help of angels. LOL
@@ji8044Strawman fallacy much?
You call mud evolving into mudskippers and mudlarks, E Coli evolving into Ecologists and Bacteria evolving into Biologists clear thinking?
@@hwd7oh Wow! You have been learning to think, that was hilarious. I agree with you. LOL!
@@hwd7 I don't think you know the first thing about evolution, unless of course you were trying to make fun of someone who didn't know anything about evolution in that comment.
@@ji8044 I know that natural selection cannot explain the origin of the tree of life,
let alone the origin of Kingdoms, Orders, Phylum, Classes, of all the various animals.
All we observe is speciation within the created Biblical Kinds.
So chemicals to chemists evolution is not scientific.
So, in other words, start from the position that: (1) You (or someone you might quote) can't possibly be mistaken when they say or write something about a deity and (2) others can't possibly have reasonable doubts about your claim.
This is otherwise known on school playgrounds around the world as the "Nah-yah, Nah-ya" strategy.
Nope, what he's said has gone over your head...
Hmm. I'd often thought the whole Christian thing was just too complicated and cerebral for me. Thanks for clarifying.
It's laughable that this guy thinks he can teach critical thinking. Belief in any God is lazy thinking. When you want an explanation for things you don't understand it's easy and lazy to make up a magical being to explain it.
God was there in the beginning? And your proof is the Bible? You’re already off to a bad start. You can’t empirically “prove” that claim is factual. By concluding that you’ve already automatically eliminated any other possible empirical mechanism that could explain the “beginning. That’s called “jumping to conclusions”. If god is the “cause” of everything? If so he’s also the cause of sin.
What you did was make a judgement. What sense data is there to validate your judgement?
@@Do_not_at_me_bro All one has to do is know some basic principles of the scientific discipline of physics. THAT is empirical evidence to support my opinion. And it's far more evidence than you can produce for anything different relating to god. Since you don't seem to have a very through understanding of physics I'll give you a brief explanation. Assuming god did create the universe... all one needs do is examine the very nature of the material universe. What is it made of? Atoms and molecules. And what is the very nature of atoms and molecules? They are imperfect, they are in a constant state of change. "Perfection" by definition is a state of existence in which something is "free of fault or defect", "an unsurpassable degree of accuracy or excellence" and it means that were it to change in any way it would no longer be perfect. An example would be how most people conceptualize "god". But in the [real] natural world there is no such thing as perfection because all matter is in a constant state of change. Now, according to theists, who created the natural universe? And what did god make the universe out of? Matter... an imperfect substance. What's another name for imperfection according to theists? "Sin". So at the very beginning of the universe, if god created the universe he created an imperfect or "sinful" universe simply because of the nature of matter. Since it's a matter of FACT that matter is in a constant state of change, and assuming god created everything, then it was god that created sin [imperfection]. It wasn't a matter of "free will" as theists like to rationalize. Instead people are material beings and if god created people [which is what theists claim] then god created sin. It is an inherent quality of humanity as material beings to be imperfect. Conclusion; "man" was created as an imperfect being. Sin is not our fault since we had no say in our creation. It is just to blame god for sin as god created everything. Question; If you paint a picture and when done you decide it was not the picture you wanted, do you blame the picture for being faulty or does one blame the painter?
@@msmd3295So you're using something Christians invented to try and disprove Christianity.
Principles are not empirical evidence to support your judgement. You are basing your worldview off non matter things and not matter itself.
Did you know there is a field of study in metaphysics, psychology and philosophy? This is all studying the non material things that affect people everyday in a profound way.
I'll give it to you that the outcome of whether God exists or not should not be fixed on someone whose worldview isn't already shaped by their sense making and experience, that is up to the individual as the individual is subjective in nature.
In short, the existence of God cannot be proven by just studying matter, as God is non-matter, but you cannot discredit the idea of non matter things by using principles because principles are non matter.
@@msmd3295As for freewill and determinism, they are non matter and exist in the realm of philosophy.
Now I see freewill and determinism go hand in hand and not opposed to each other. I didn't choose to be born, I didn't choose my genes or parents or location I grew up with, so I do see determinism in that degree.
Freewill I see as responding to these deterministic things, so I am free to respond or say whatever I like, free to do whatever I want ECT.
As for imperfect and perfect. I think you see those words as "pure" and "corrupt" ie. "Without a spot or blemish"
The message the bible is trying to convey with perfect / imperfect is more like getting a perfect score on a test, or in 10 pin bowling, or archery, or darts.
In other words "complete" "incomplete"
Here's also how sin is described: "incomplete" "missing the mark" ie. Not getting a perfect score on a test, or 10 pin bowling.
So if you're gonna go by the creation story and assume it's true, we have to go by the words how God described it, "good" and "very good" those words describe in degree of "good" so God said His creation was good, not perfect.
I think you conflated, good with perfect. And there are talks about good vs perfect.
So when you say God created sin, I agree, God's creation is incomplete.
Finally to answer your question about the painter / painting, I'd say it's neither the paintings nor the painter's fault. I make something I want to see, and I'm satisfied with it, but then I look at it again at another time and I change my mind and make some tweaks. I don't destroy the design completely, I find what I can salvage and edit out the things I don't like and work with what I've salvaged until I find it holds my satisfaction.
There is a quote I about art. "Art is never finished, only abandoned"
to give it to a begger
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There is nothing we can do to defend our faith because we all have no faith to be able to believe! The only beliefs we can come up with is secular faith of the flesh! We can only be saved by the faith Jesus had while living in the flesh on earth. And this is the faith we all need as a gift from God to even believe that Jesus is the only way the truth and the life to be saved. You know the scriptures where it is written we are saved by grace, through faith, and this is not from yourselves but a gift from God. Stop leaning on your own understanding people! Because it is written " Lean not on your own understanding"! So wake up from the dead(sleep)!!!💤😴
You can’t be serious,,,,the answer is not available to the secular mind,, go back and study some more with prayer.
@@bobgriffith1810 You said it right! The answer is not available to the secular mind! Just like you Bob Griffith! My comments are spiritually discerned for the ones that's been chosen to be saved, converted and born again from above in the spiritual Church. I see you have been called by the hearing of the Word(scriptures) also, and many are called but few(puny) are saved.
Who made God, comes before The Beginning.
That was me. Don't ask me about his mother, though...
God is eternal.
The beginning has to have a first mover. An unmoved mover. Or an uncaused cause. We attribute that to God. If everything was already in motion without an unmoved mover then that would resolve in an infinite regress.
Really, this is how you demolish secular arguments? You take the first line of a centuries old religious text, whose content varies depending upon which sub branch of religion defines it and base all future arguments on that?
Martyn's audience is too committed to its belief system and has suspended its critical thinking skills, otherwise it would laugh out loud.
Let’s hear your beliefs )
Any middle schooler can get online and research the various creation myths. Whether they be Samarian, Babylonia, Egyptian, or Greek; there are any number of possibilities from which our creation story was derived.
@@robmarshall956 Why should my beliefs be any of your business?
@@grahamhodge8313 because you have traversed as a slave of satan to challenge Gods so let’s hear what little you believe eh ? Cmon little man.
@@grahamhodge8313 because you're posting about them publicly here....
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So, how exactly does this demolish secular arguments?
All you did was ramble on about what the bible says....
Well, guess what? You forget that most secular people dont care what the bible says.
So you haven't really demolished anything. You have just made a bunch of claims with the bible as your evidence.
(The Bible is the claim, not the evidence)
Soon you will find out if you don't already know that god is who he claims to be there are many ways to be wrong but only one way to be right
@@ewencameron1548 Soon you will find out that there is no God and when we die, we just return back to the earth from which we came.
Pretty pathetic argument if all you're going to do is say, " you will know the truth once you're dead!" 😂
Ah. The Matt Dillahunty argument. "I don't care if the rest of the world believes it, I don't" that argument downright rejects historians just because you think it's only a claim. The Bible has more outside sources that validate it than most other historic books/events.
A person can use the "it's only a claim" on literrally anything. It's pseduo-philosophic and it's ridiculous. It just means. "I will not believe, even though there's a pretty high probability I should"
Matt Dillahunty. The debater that uses the most childish way to argument is spreading this way of thinking. Not saying he's not intellectual. But man are his arguments stupid.
He's not even sure he exists. I read enough of philosophy before I came in to faith that I know, you can absolutely crush any real thing with philosophical thinking. You can deny your own existence. You can deny snow is snow. You can deny the sky is blue. But at the end of the day. It's just a way to escape the truth. It's pretty nasty to realize that living in sin isn't good for you. Took me 30 years of mocking and arguing against God to realize I was wrong.
Even if you're not a believer the Bible is the Bedrock of the entire western civilization. Literature, morals, values. Christianity brought peace and order to pagans, start a ton of colleges and universities. Also stopped Islam from enslaving Europe.
There are a bunch of reasons to care for the Bible and Christianity, even if you don't believe.
@@antonkoivisto2999not to mention Jay Dyer destroyed Matt Dillahunty in a debate.
Words without meaning.
It's just nice to know that this kind of belief, and ideology will never see the light of day in mainstream education.🇬🇧
Just happy anti wokeism is on the rise and that your false narrative will come crumbling down 😁
Sorry mate - first you need to establish why anyone should care what the Bible says.
@@hwd7I feel the same about your response
But that's your crux point...you have come with an anti-Bible presupposition. But have you actually read it? And then read a wide range of scholarly books on it, for and against the Bible? Until you have, you will always have your blinkered bias. So that is your "crux", as the speaker is saying.
Yes I've read it - without first presupposing that it was written by a god. If it was the 'word of god' , why would you need to read other books to explain it, why couldn't god make himself clear?@@cliffwade8151
Because they're documents compiled and have historical validity.
God created us so he could have a family. Remember his only begotten son ? We are the rest of his family. At least those who have chosen to be a part of his family, free choice !
Your ant liked chocolate cake and wanted to share with you what she thought was delicious, because she loved you.
I've been enjoying your words.
Amen, Jesus is the beginning and the end .
beginning and end of what?
@@cliftongaither6642 of everything
I'm afraid I'm still waiting for the promised hammer blow to secularist thought. You say to go to the beginning of someone's argument and tear it down. But you conveniently didn't start at the beginning. You started with the assumption this book you are so enamored with is actually true and argued from there. The beginning would be to determine if this book full of stories and edicts from Bronze Age Palestine is actually true or merely a fiction like every other mythology you don't believe in. Every statement you made was from the viewpoint that the words in that book are actually true. Unfortunately for you no one so far has had any luck in actually proving that they are.
Watch Jay Dyer. He body slams atheists.
total religious nonsense...wish you would just concentrate on good ethics, good personal behavior and social welfare issues...leave the rest to people who know what they are talking about(definitely not old dudes from the bible who were clueless)..amen
We know a cake needs a creator. There's no evidence that a universe needs one. A cake needs to be baked. The grass doesn't need to be grown.
Unless it's a lawn and the grass has died. Then you gotta plant new grass seeds :D
@@Niko_lai-78 You need to plant the seeds. You don't need to create them. They form naturally, on their own, just as the universe did.
@@johnrichards6080 Very well put. I didn't intend my comment to be an argument for creation. Just sharing my experience that yes, sometimes you actually do need to plant and grow the grass. Well... really all you need to do is plant it and maybe water it. Like you said, it does the growing all by itself.
I do think that you can't entirely rule out the *possibility* that there is a creator who is the reason why the grass can grow on it's own. Just like there had to be a programmer who wrote the code for Google, which is why it works like it does. But we have no way of really knowing so for all we know there is no creator, there is one creator, there are many creators... heck maybe there are all kinds of spirits and gods and such and *none* of them created our universe. Life is a mystery and that's beautiful.
If you kept your religion to yourselves you wouldn't have to defend it. It's your insistence on sharing your religion that annoys people.
Secularist here 👋
No challenge to any reasonable argument to be found in this video. Just a standard creation myth based on special pleading.
You weren't paying attention then.
@l.c.8798 wasn't paying attention to what? The bold claims without evidence? Or the logical fallacies used in place of evidence?
@@l.c.8798Why don't you sum it up for him then? You have to do better.
I read on another creationist site that only Christians can go to heaven. I pointed out that means Jesus himself, his mother, all his family and followers at the time of his death, are not in heaven because they were all born, lived, and died as Jews. Christianity itself didn't exist in the time of Jesus or for many decades later. Needless to say I am blocked from commenting on that site now.
Really? Which channel blocked you for asking such a foolish question?
You sound like you are hear to educate us all on a matter you have zero understanding of.
If god is eternal, then it sounds a bit strange that access to heaven started only some 2000 years ago.
@@hwd7 I get it that reality is foolish to you. That's why you're a creationist.
@@robmarshall956 "You sound like you are hear to educate us all on a matter you have zero understanding of."
Well I know the difference between using "hear" and "here", so would that be a better place to start with you?
You follow a man made God who could not die for your sins if you believe the true words of God, Ezekiel 18 :20 The soul that sins, it shall die; a son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, and a father shall not bear the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. כהַנֶּ֥פֶשׁ הַֽחֹטֵ֖את הִ֣יא תָמ֑וּת בֵּ֞ן לֹֽא־יִשָּׂ֣א | בַּֽעֲוֹ֣ן הָאָ֗ב וְאָב֙ לֹ֚א יִשָּׂא֙ בַּֽעֲוֹ֣ן הַבֵּ֔ן צִדְקַ֚ת הַצַּדִּיק֙ עָלָ֣יו תִּֽהְיֶ֔ה וְרִשְׁעַ֥ת הָֽרָשָׁ֖ע (כתיב רָשָׁ֖ע) עָלָ֥יו תִּֽהְיֶֽה:
21 And if the wicked man repent of all his sins that he has committed and keeps all My laws and executes justice and righteousness, he shall surely live, he shall not die. כאוְהָֽרָשָׁ֗ע כִּ֚י יָשׁוּב֙ מִכָּל־חַטֹּאתָיו֙ (כתיב חַטֹּאתָו֙) אֲשֶׁ֣ר עָשָׂ֔ה וְשָׁמַר֙ אֶת־כָּל־חֻקּוֹתַ֔י וְעָשָׂ֥ה מִשְׁפָּ֖ט וּצְדָקָ֑ה חָיֹ֥ה יִחְיֶ֖ה לֹ֥א יָמֽוּת: These are the words of God not the church, and God said his Laws are forever not until Paul decides they are not.
beating around the bushes
Ask Martin Isles how much he has in the bank and you will probably find he has much more than the average person who takes any notice of the rubbish he pedalsl.
You know what is easy to demolish? Any religious, i mean any, religious argument. Reading the bible is the best way to demolish itself.
Absolutely not 😂
And of cause his argument stands on the existence of a god, unfortunately never been proven
to exist, SO YOU ARE TOLD TO UES THE FAITH SYSTEM basically lying to yourself.
Another guy who waffles on and says nothing
If God can do anything, why did He have sinful man write the Bible when He could’ve wrote itHimself?
Or better yet, why doesn’t God just make Himself available to answer questions of anyone at anytime? 🤪
God is the creator in a book written by men not a god.