Accoustic kit was tuned lower which made it sound fuller. Also the mic and mic positioning will always make a difference in the sound. Both sound great in my opinion.
The acoustic kit vs the electronic kit was mixed differently. That e-kit can be mixed to be very close to each other. That was not a bad sounding e-klt.
That's a super neat kit, cool to see why Roland bought DW! I'd be more stoked if I felt there was going to be a PDP or more affordable version in the future, but the odds of that happening feel very low.
Yea that ain't happening. Tho...you'd think they'd want to get a kit out there that's half the price so they can sell twice as many. But my hope is this flops,at least a little, and they just bring the system out of the drums, dw aside, and make it available without needing to buy a dw kit.
I agree 110%! Having this same technology but in a not so expensive PDP shell pack would be amazing! This opens the doors for so many options including schools and churches that usually don't have big budgets for this kind of thing. I also agree with the idea of potentially selling an "electronics pack" only which would include the triggers and module, mounting brackets, mesh heads and cymbals. Most drummers already have the hardware they would need and may not need to buy new shells. DW could revolutionize this space even more with a conversion kit option and literally be in every tier of electronic drums. Also, eventually iPad integration would be nice.
Hopefully the trigger assemblies will be made available individually. Since Roland bought them I can't imagine them not wanting to take advantage of the tech in other situations
For a kit like this, you should play the drums in e-mode and show us how they sound without the headphones. I wanna know how loud these can get when I'm playing in my bedroom.
This certainly does open a lot of possibilities. I thought they sounded amazing acoustically! Ok DW, let's get something we can install in any drum shell to use with those triggers!
When i was in DW headquarters recently I was told that there was no need to remove the trigger when going acoustic. The only reason why you would want to remove it is because you overtones since the trigger will the dampen the drumhead a bit.
Scratching my head…..some years ago the push was for shells with limited holes and attachments ……now back to more holes and attachments..?? But the “real” kit still sounded more real…..kudos to Tony!
It is a good sounding e kit, very seamless technology inside a real high end drum kit. When tuned as fine as Tony did, it made drum samples sound cheap, specially the snare, and that to me is the best thing, because if it fails, you end up with a true high end instrument. BTW the drum samples are excellent, so also there's that. First e kit that truly surprised me because is beautiful. something I really want to play because of how it looks and feel and not because I need to, due to volume or space issues
The technology seems impressive, and it does seem to be the closest to an acoustic kit of all edrums, but I was surprised Shane said this kit was "for everyone". If the technology filters down to more affordable kits, maybe, but as it stands I can't help but think anyone who can afford the full 5 piece with cymbals and has the space to use it at home, doesn't currently have the problem of needing a one-kit-does-all solution. The ability to practice silently at home and use the same kit acoustically on the road I really doubt is a consideration for people with $10k to drop. Especially when you think you could have a serious edrum kit AND a serious acoustic kit, and no need to disassemble either, for the same money. The convenience is not a selling point at this price point. Like others have said, if the electronic guts become available to put in any acoustic kit, I guess it starts to make more sense, but as it is, it seems to be a unnecessary 'trick' IMHO
I had the same thought. For the price of the set (and the cymbals), one could get a very high-end set, real cymbals, and a good electronic set with cymbal pads. Very nice drums for sure, in any case.
I wonder how the acoustics sound with the triggers still inside. A good use case would be a session drummer recording an album while sending both acoustic sounds and electronic triggers for maximum flexibilty for the recording engineer...
The presence of the triggers would almost definitely ruin the acoustic sound of the drum, in order to receive signal they need to touch the batter head in the centre and edge which would noticeably mute the head, and I imagine the presence of the assembly between the batter and resonant head would have a pretty major negative impact on the sound. I also can't imagine the trigger responding well to a mylar head, both in terms of receiving notes and physical wear on the trigger.
Well done Tony. Your acoustic sounds are better than their samples.Tony please consider recording & selling full multi velocity- multi layered drum samples you truly know how to capture amazing drum sounds.
Good shout. The head to head video of the 26” kits, holy cow, how good did the SQ2 kit sounded. If they multi sampled that kit, full works, multi channel round robins etc. I’d have dived right in. But I understand from personal experience, sampling drums is a very laborious affair. But damn right these guys get killer drum mixes.
Thank you! Definitely something we may offer in the future. That being said, we do have a small, but growing sample library that we offer to those who have purchased electronic drums from us.
@@tinterlande these sample libraries, are they single shot or multi samples? I’m not asking to purchase them as such, just curious to how detailed they are. Either way I’m sure they sound absolutely fantastic.
Will DW be offering aftermarket trigger options for other drum brands ( the triggers sold separately)? Who wants a 10K DW when you've already got a "dream kit"
I've been playing DW drums and hardware since 1990 recently got a purple heart kit I also own 3 other collectors maple kits they all sound an look amazing an the quality is the best dwe looks to be another great DW innovation bravo DW!!!
Cool kit, innnovative as well is so dare to put it into the drums market!!. So clever tooling and features inside the shells. For my ears, there`s nothing compare to a wood natural air vibration across the overall atmosphere, so Ioved the its sound in the acustic performance. The shells not only have a punchy and cutting path, they sing, so say so, literaly. Amazing from DW team Staff, everyone over there.
Great Video....cool Sound....good information for the DW E- Drums.....Greetings from Germany (Helgoland)play 30 years E.- and Acoustic Drums ,your Channel is Great
Stunning technology. That said, for me at this point in my life, if I was going to purchase an electronic kit, it would be for quite practice at home. So, the cymbals not being quite wouldn't work for me. I love the idea of no wires. Tony certainly knows how to tune drums!
It looks like it's be pitched via Roland's sales model of the VAD706, with preset shell, sizes and finishes. I was looking forward to the DW 'customisation' model, which this is not & doesnt make a switch from my expanded 706 to a DW wireless an option. When will DW allow you to order the finish you want, the wood shell you'd like & in the sizes you'd like? That's when this becomes a contender for me to replace the VAD706. (I already have a Tama Star Maple, hence the maple isn't a selling point to me). Thanks!
Can extra triggers, shells, and cymbals be purchased? I’m assuming so. If that’s the case then you’re essentially getting two drum kits for the price of the DW-e I’ll give it a year for any kinks to be worked out, but I’m very interested
I thought the acoustic part of the video was still the electronic version and my jaw dropped but the electric kit does still sound pretty good. This is amazing!!
I think this is great however it's concerning the amount of acoustic sound it produces when in its e-form. The whole idea is that e-kits are quiet and if the cymbals are loud it's a problem. You will not be able to have this in an apartment so what is this built for?
@@adamfrost3722 I'd not considered it as an all-in-one for practice and recording at HOME. I got hung up on the video suggesting edrums for home and acoustic for the road and couldn't help think that anyone who can drop $10k on an ekit for home doesn't need it to be convertible.
You guys are so awesome for the little Things like the Reenactment and not quite lol I was dying lol. Never disappoint, oh yeah the kit is cool too lol.
Holy crap! Barrett got absolutely fried. Glad i had my headphones on for this. The battery life is insane. Could b t perfect studio kit for t sound engineers trying to get that even sound/tone.
Great kit. I love that finish. The acoustic was tuned and mixed very well. Great job! The cost of $11K is high, but when you think about all that you get for that.... a full 5 piece kit, full cymbal pak, all the hardware, hi-hat stand, DW5000 bass pedal, combo tom & cymbal stands, and the Soundworks software with the interfaces, plus, etc. And, you get a true 9-ply maple acoustic kit. All you need is acoustic heads and cymbals. With it being electronic, no mics needed. I think with all you get, along with the wireless techbology, it is fairly priced. However, I think they should give you the acoustic heads and a Zildjian acoustic cymbal pak to truly give you the works! Then, it would be even more worthy of the price tag. If electronic drummers trade-in or sell the e-kit they currently have and purchase this one, the price really becomes even more attractive.
Absolutely great product, the idea of wireless electronics is genius. As a weekender musician, this has huge potential going back and forth between an acoustic drum and a edrum based on room size and venue style, or depending on the need and the sounds are both incredibly good - kuddos!!!! Now, that being said, the targetted audience for such a product is unclear to me. The pricetag these carry definitely aims at pro to semi-pro players with a lot of money and this community of drummers likely has enough money to purchase distinct drums (acoustic and edrum) so they might not necessarily go for a swiss knife this kit is. So it leaves the weekender as the targetted audience but at that pricetag, you have to be a wealthy one… so while being an exceptionnal product, I’m not sure I’m willing to lay down the amount of money required. I’ll sleep on it for a while and continue micing my drums up til I make a final decision :) Thanks Drum Center, great review - keep it up!
I think the target audience is the same it's always been with electronic drums 1. Places where mic placement is highly problematic because of feedback, bleed, etc. 2. Places where playing with acoustic drums is problematic because of volume levels, mic placement---i.e. small rooms, playing with choirs, churches, etc. 3. Situations where drummers are playing a WIDE variety of styles in a single song set and drummers want to switch sounds between charts. 4. Practice (or recording) in an apartment or similar environment where volume levels must be tightly controlled.
I agree, I don't believe the potential target market is even big enough to generate much in sales, as you mentioned, most of players likely have a large collection of acoustic drums to begin with. The big prize here is the wireless trigger system. Having a beautiful DW kit would be nice, sure, but I think the vast majority of people playing electronic drums, are doing so for the variety of reason @ChurchWorship outlined. Personally, I'd take all the triggers and put them in any old shell, just to have the wireless capabilities. We'll see what Roland releases with their new flagship kits with this tech in them.
@@StereoAnthony But as several others have pointed out, there is no reason the guts of the electronic system couldn’t be offered with a much cheaper (yet still high quality) shell pack. Offer the system with Gretsch Renown shells and cut the price by 30-40%. Or offer the electronics/cymbals/mesh heads as a retrofit, cut the price by 50-60%.
@@ChurchWorshipTB Absolutely agree. That being said for me personally, I'm in the EDrum camp of not wanting full size shells, as I prefer pads that take up much less room and are easier to transport. I would prefer this trigger system be built into pads I could purchase, but if the system becomes available in this format, I'll likely buy a cheap acoustic kit, and cut down the shells to make them as thin as possible. Either way, a very exciting prospect!
Many cheers to the cut away gags in this video. My Computer into the trashcan lol. How heavy are these drums? Not actual weight. No. I am wondering in comparison to picking up a typical weight kit vs a heavy weight kit. Was this kit heavier with the electronic gear inside than anything you have picked up before? Was it substantially heavier? Was it moderately heavier? Was it not so heavy at all? Thank you.
Curious if they’ll offer the triggers/cymbals and the receiver separately. This would be a lot more compelling if you already own a high end kit and want to also have a quick and easy e kit on hand, without actually having a second kit. For the convenience and lack of wires I would think the right buyers would be willing to shell out between 3000 and 4000 for that…
Wireless spell trouble..latency is one, but interference with other signals and connection issues is bound to happen. I would never rely on that professionally.
Shane (Mr. Speed King ) must have the exclusive on this, I have heard nothing, no Rumors of this. This is so stunning, truly Revolutionary and totally comprehensive,
FINALLY! Somebody gets it :). I have been building my own DIY E Drums for years. I love the pros of E kits but absolutely hated the look. I was just converting Cheap shells and painting the cymbals with gold paint :)
This is now the AUTHENTIC hybrid kit! And at 2:36, because we have hoops, it's a good thing we can still swap out the mesh heads for traditional ones. Niceeee, but can we also do the same to the Roland VAD-706?
So funny.....I only started to smile after you turned it into acoustic with real heads and cymbals....that sounds sooo much better. I started to learn drums on a Roland e-kit and I hated the dull module sounds so much that I bought a Tama Starclassic walnut/birch and since that day my e-kit fell asleep. I always prefer acoustic over an e-kit, even with this high end e-kit. But hands down, DW did a great job with this one.
I agree that this is an amazing breakthrough in technology. I still don’t think that the cymbals are to the point where they can be used professionally but the drums sound fantastic and I bet in a mix it would be impossible to determine that it is an electric kit. I think that the real audience for something like this is a touring arena drummer. Pair the tubs with some real cymbals and I bet you would have an amazing sounding kit that would be really easy to setup and tear down and get the same sound night after night no matter what room you are playing in. As with any new technology it is always expensive at first but will eventually trickle down to a more reasonable price point. I assume that this will be no different. I’m curious, are you able to play the set with the triggers and real heads? That would be pretty cool and the best of both worlds
what happened in history with the development of drums and technology in terms of some kind of innovation is that the acoustic drum always sounded better than any hybrid version. it is certainly convenient to have a combination of an acoustic drum and some modules where the diversity of sounds is completed and as such they are integrated into the whole picture of the production itself. I think that the charm and the possibilities of the interpretation itself, which the acoustic drum provides, are being lost.
Be prepared to get sticker e-shocked when you see the price of those kits. There are a lot of drummers with $10k or more to drop for edrums with noisy steel cymbals.
Very cool, but it looks like it could be pretty easily adapted to most acoustic kits. You just need a shelf for the triggers to rest on inside the shell and that could be screwed under the lugs.
Would have loved to see you do the acoustic shells with the electronic cymbals. Would be a combo for smaller churches where cymbal volume is what makes them put drummers in a cage
Pretty amazing, and a real treat to wake up to find these out now. This will most certainly be totally game changing technology. I would imagine that Roland will start releasing some of their own wireless high end kits, that will be at least cheaper than these. The market demographic for these will be pros or the big touring bands that can afford it, which I don't imagine it too big in the first place, so if the company wants to make any money they 'll need to make them more accessible. I imagine it's only a matter of time until Yamaha, Alesis, or any of the others will reverse engineer the tech. I hope we'll see just the trigger system available at some point. Very excited either way! What a time to be alive!
I can't help but think that while this is really a cool concept, I'm not sure how often someone would actually go back and forth between an acoustic setup to an electric one. 70 minutes can probably be brought down to 45 with some practice and maybe a tuner, but still how often are you going to want to do that? I wish they'd sell the cymbals, triggers and real sized set of some kind of fake shell for around half price because I'd rather have a real collectors kit and this is a separate option. Even if the fake shells cost another 2k, I'd probably bite on it. Love the wireless setup and the software for the drums as well. Just my thoughts on it. I guess the only problem is it would be hard to make it look as good as this but I'm sure they can pull it off.
The quest for electronic drums continues. I started drumming in the mid 80’s and I remember when the Simmons pads came out and drummers started using them. I hated them….they sounded fake and felt terrible. 40 years later demo’d a new electronic kit last year…it was better but I still didn’t like the sound or the feel. This DWe looks really promising and I thought maybe they’ve finally cracked it. Nope. While I love that this is wireless and am intrigued by the idea of a hybrid kit, I can’t tell you how much dislike the way those electronic cymbals sound. And in the end when you compare the sounds of the kit in the acoustic mode vs. electronic it’s still no comparison to me. I’m sticking with good old fashioned acoustic drums (well I will if I ever get back into drumming). Now excuse me while I go yell at kids to get off my lawn. 😉
Amazing and innovative technology by DW for me personally though the sound of the acoustic is still superior. my E kit stays at home so keeping it quieter is a big deal.
Indeed, I mean this is not realistic for the common gigging drummer. No one will spend that amount of time switching back and forth between gigs and home practice
The acoustic version sounded so much better....the samples had too much room sound. Maybe DW could sell their electronic upgrade package for other acoustic drums, for a little smaller price tag?
I would really enjoy if we can also get a cutover in the video of what these sound like in the electronic configuration but no samples from the library. I'm trying to gage how "noisy" it actually is for practice in the basement when I'm not in a jam room or venue.
The cymbals, especially the hi hat are very noisy. It was a definitely no go at my church when they realized they’re still have to put up plexiglass just to block the sound of them. Stiff as a board too, putting in a good amount of time on these cymbals is not going to be good on the wrists. Stiffer than the old school Simmons plastic pads. The VST sounds alright though. If I was going to do that route, it would be on something with better feel. Played them in GC and couldn’t believe how loud.
Rather than a laptop or module, can you run the interface through an iPad? We all know laptops are not stage friendly for ‘accidents’ 😂 Also, any idea who will stock/available in UK? Thanks for the video-really insightful.
Note that these DWe kits require a laptop/computer to setup and then a drum module or laptop/computer to play on it, it also doesn't have direct outs so you will need something for that if you need it. This all comes on top of the price that these kits already are so yeah this isn't for everyone
One has to wonder where the Slingerland reboot is in all this? Obviously the Slingerland buy was before the Roland acquisition, but an e-kit gets first dibs. Nice e-drums, but a tad disappointing for those of us who have been waiting a few years now for Slingerland to make its triumphant return.
Can you used the e parts but with actual drum heads? So you could blend the acoustic sound (which would require mics) with the electronic (module) sounds?
the wireless technology is awesome. the shells in the plugin sound great but what I don't understand is why, after all this high end processing, the cymbal sounds are still "edrum" like. Nearly every drum plugin I own (for a fracture of the money) still sound way better than DWs plugin. That's a big let down for me. I always was very picky when it comes to cymbal sounds in edrum modules and the only one that does it right for me is the pearl mimic pro because it actually uses steven slate samples. Why can't they use better sounding cymbal samples like ggd, slate oder other companies do, which behave more natural? especially at this price point I would assume they sound much better than a 100$ drum library. Sure, you can use your favorite drum library with this kit, but it won't have the full dynamic range like the dw plugin has, which is a bit sad.
Interesting. I've always thought cymbal sounds have progressed quite well. I have a 18 yr old Roland TD6 and the cymbal sounds back then were very good. I did think I heard a couple of mis-triggers/cross triggers on one of these cymbals though. It's the tom sounds that let edrums down for me. Especially during fills. And while these were up there with the best, they still sounded similar to the tom sounds from my ancient TD6.
they sound descend compared to other high price kits, but my problem is that drum plugins always sounded better to me. especially the hihats sound weird most of the time. the triggering is good on most modules/pads. it's just the sound when it's been hit multiple time in a row. it might have to do with the room processing or compression, but when I play with plugins I have no issues with weird sound behaving. but yes I'm picky :D @@jamesdennett196
Once again, DCP is doing a MUCH more thorough demo and side by side, than even the manufacturer. Thanks dudes!
Appreciated. Thanks!
I think it sounded much better as an acoustic kit. DW has priced these out of the reach of 90% of e-drummers.
Accoustic kit was tuned lower which made it sound fuller. Also the mic and mic positioning will always make a difference in the sound. Both sound great in my opinion.
The acoustic kit vs the electronic kit was mixed differently. That e-kit can be mixed to be very close to each other. That was not a bad sounding e-klt.
I definitely agree, but in the realm of electronic drums, it’s definitely one of the most impressive kits I’ve heard. But you do pay the price…
Agree, and no professional will be using this.
You'll be able to find one of the $10,000 full kits for five or $6,000 not too far into the future just give it a couple years
That's a super neat kit, cool to see why Roland bought DW! I'd be more stoked if I felt there was going to be a PDP or more affordable version in the future, but the odds of that happening feel very low.
Yea that ain't happening. Tho...you'd think they'd want to get a kit out there that's half the price so they can sell twice as many. But my hope is this flops,at least a little, and they just bring the system out of the drums, dw aside, and make it available without needing to buy a dw kit.
I agree 110%! Having this same technology but in a not so expensive PDP shell pack would be amazing! This opens the doors for so many options including schools and churches that usually don't have big budgets for this kind of thing. I also agree with the idea of potentially selling an "electronics pack" only which would include the triggers and module, mounting brackets, mesh heads and cymbals. Most drummers already have the hardware they would need and may not need to buy new shells. DW could revolutionize this space even more with a conversion kit option and literally be in every tier of electronic drums. Also, eventually iPad integration would be nice.
Hopefully the trigger assemblies will be made available individually. Since Roland bought them I can't imagine them not wanting to take advantage of the tech in other situations
For a kit like this, you should play the drums in e-mode and show us how they sound without the headphones. I wanna know how loud these can get when I'm playing in my bedroom.
Especially with the resonant heads😂
This certainly does open a lot of possibilities. I thought they sounded amazing acoustically!
Ok DW, let's get something we can install in any drum shell to use with those triggers!
Or at least sell them installed in one of their less expensive kits.
Thank you for the wonderful presentation.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Finally a $10,000 drum set that's actually worth $10,000!
Unfortunately most of us can't afford a regular DW kit. Although it's groundbreaking and really cool, it's really a niche, niche market.
Agreed
When i was in DW headquarters recently I was told that there was no need to remove the trigger when going acoustic. The only reason why you would want to remove it is because you overtones since the trigger will the dampen the drumhead a bit.
These are absolutely mind-blowing. I want.
Scratching my head…..some years ago the push was for shells with limited holes and attachments ……now back to more holes and attachments..?? But the “real” kit still sounded more real…..kudos to Tony!
No added holes. The trigger assembly attaches with the lug mounting screws
Excellent demo, really thorough and super informative. My first DW kit is coming...
Thanks guys. That was a great intro. Had a good laugh. 😂
This is some amazing innovation. ONE TO TWO YEARS on a charge. That is amazing stuff!
It is a good sounding e kit, very seamless technology inside a real high end drum kit. When tuned as fine as Tony did, it made drum samples sound cheap, specially the snare, and that to me is the best thing, because if it fails, you end up with a true high end instrument. BTW the drum samples are excellent, so also there's that. First e kit that truly surprised me because is beautiful. something I really want to play because of how it looks and feel and not because I need to, due to volume or space issues
That intro should win something
😂
The Slingerland Warmer is the best sound for me! Great job for the Dw team, and absolute great job for Drum Center!
The technology seems impressive, and it does seem to be the closest to an acoustic kit of all edrums, but I was surprised Shane said this kit was "for everyone". If the technology filters down to more affordable kits, maybe, but as it stands I can't help but think anyone who can afford the full 5 piece with cymbals and has the space to use it at home, doesn't currently have the problem of needing a one-kit-does-all solution. The ability to practice silently at home and use the same kit acoustically on the road I really doubt is a consideration for people with $10k to drop. Especially when you think you could have a serious edrum kit AND a serious acoustic kit, and no need to disassemble either, for the same money. The convenience is not a selling point at this price point.
Like others have said, if the electronic guts become available to put in any acoustic kit, I guess it starts to make more sense, but as it is, it seems to be a unnecessary 'trick'
IMHO
I had the same thought. For the price of the set (and the cymbals), one could get a very high-end set, real cymbals, and a good electronic set with cymbal pads. Very nice drums for sure, in any case.
Well said. agree
A lot of technology! Good luck tuning the drums every time
I wonder how the acoustics sound with the triggers still inside. A good use case would be a session drummer recording an album while sending both acoustic sounds and electronic triggers for maximum flexibilty for the recording engineer...
Yes, taking them out seems daft imho use them and blend it
The presence of the triggers would almost definitely ruin the acoustic sound of the drum, in order to receive signal they need to touch the batter head in the centre and edge which would noticeably mute the head, and I imagine the presence of the assembly between the batter and resonant head would have a pretty major negative impact on the sound. I also can't imagine the trigger responding well to a mylar head, both in terms of receiving notes and physical wear on the trigger.
@thomaskennydrums not in my experience with internal triggers from other kits
@@ironblast5 the head of the trigger touches the drumhead. I would sound atrocious if you left the triggers in and used real drum heads.
Well done Tony. Your acoustic sounds are better than their samples.Tony please consider recording & selling full multi velocity- multi layered drum samples you truly know how to capture amazing drum sounds.
Good shout. The head to head video of the 26” kits, holy cow, how good did the SQ2 kit sounded. If they multi sampled that kit, full works, multi channel round robins etc. I’d have dived right in. But I understand from personal experience, sampling drums is a very laborious affair. But damn right these guys get killer drum mixes.
I agree 100%.
Thank you! Definitely something we may offer in the future. That being said, we do have a small, but growing sample library that we offer to those who have purchased electronic drums from us.
@@steevidrumsthanks! Yeah, that was a fun one!
@@tinterlande these sample libraries, are they single shot or multi samples? I’m not asking to purchase them as such, just curious to how detailed they are. Either way I’m sure they sound absolutely fantastic.
Will DW be offering aftermarket trigger options for other drum brands ( the triggers sold separately)? Who wants a 10K DW when you've already got a "dream kit"
I've been playing DW drums and hardware since 1990 recently got a purple heart kit I also own 3 other collectors maple kits they all sound an look amazing an the quality is the best dwe looks to be another great DW innovation bravo DW!!!
The technology is incredible. Curious how it well it plays with existing VSTs.
Dude said “here’s a demo” and then rips that sweet groove. Straight fire.
OH LETS DO IT!! DCP is the absolute TOP NOTCH when it comes to…well EVERYTHING!! 💯 🥁
Thank you!!!
Cool kit, innnovative as well is so dare to put it into the drums market!!. So clever tooling and features inside the shells. For my ears, there`s nothing compare to a wood natural air vibration across the overall atmosphere, so Ioved the its sound in the acustic performance. The shells not only have a punchy and cutting path, they sing, so say so, literaly. Amazing from DW team Staff, everyone over there.
I’ve played DW for the past 20 years Started in 2004 All I can say is DAMN 👍👍👍👍
Great Video....cool Sound....good information for the DW E- Drums.....Greetings from Germany (Helgoland)play 30 years E.- and Acoustic Drums ,your Channel is Great
Truly incredible tech. No one can compete with DW’s innovation.
Hilarious video. I actually bought these from you guys because of this video. Thank you. Love them
We appreciate you. Thanks!
Stunning technology. That said, for me at this point in my life, if I was going to purchase an electronic kit, it would be for quite practice at home. So, the cymbals not being quite wouldn't work for me. I love the idea of no wires. Tony certainly knows how to tune drums!
It looks like it's be pitched via Roland's sales model of the VAD706, with preset shell, sizes and finishes. I was looking forward to the DW 'customisation' model, which this is not & doesnt make a switch from my expanded 706 to a DW wireless an option. When will DW allow you to order the finish you want, the wood shell you'd like & in the sizes you'd like? That's when this becomes a contender for me to replace the VAD706. (I already have a Tama Star Maple, hence the maple isn't a selling point to me). Thanks!
Yeah! Glad you guys are gonna carry this kit!
Excellent demo! Always enjoy watching your videos!
Thank you so much!
Can extra triggers, shells, and cymbals be purchased? I’m assuming so.
If that’s the case then you’re essentially getting two drum kits for the price of the DW-e
I’ll give it a year for any kinks to be worked out, but I’m very interested
Easily the most innovative item from DW since the original 5000 series pedals.
I thought the acoustic part of the video was still the electronic version and my jaw dropped but the electric kit does still sound pretty good. This is amazing!!
I think this is great however it's concerning the amount of acoustic sound it produces when in its e-form. The whole idea is that e-kits are quiet and if the cymbals are loud it's a problem. You will not be able to have this in an apartment so what is this built for?
For recording and practicing at home. While it isn’t late at night apartment friendly, it is about 75% quieter than a full acoustic kit.
@@adamfrost3722 I'd not considered it as an all-in-one for practice and recording at HOME. I got hung up on the video suggesting edrums for home and acoustic for the road and couldn't help think that anyone who can drop $10k on an ekit for home doesn't need it to be convertible.
You guys are so awesome for the little
Things like the Reenactment and not quite lol I was dying lol. Never disappoint, oh yeah the kit is cool too lol.
Thanks for noticing/appreciating!
Holy crap! Barrett got absolutely fried. Glad i had my headphones on for this. The battery life is insane. Could b t perfect studio kit for t sound engineers trying to get that even sound/tone.
Great kit. I love that finish. The acoustic was tuned and mixed very well. Great job!
The cost of $11K is high, but when you think about all that you get for that.... a full 5 piece kit, full cymbal pak, all the hardware, hi-hat stand, DW5000 bass pedal, combo tom & cymbal stands, and the Soundworks software with the interfaces, plus, etc.
And, you get a true 9-ply maple acoustic kit. All you need is acoustic heads and cymbals. With it being electronic, no mics needed. I think with all you get, along with the wireless techbology, it is fairly priced. However, I think they should give you the acoustic heads and a Zildjian acoustic cymbal pak to truly give you the works! Then, it would be even more worthy of the price tag.
If electronic drummers trade-in or sell the e-kit they currently have and purchase this one, the price really becomes even more attractive.
Nice Video. I like the head2head comp!
Question… can you use acoustic heads and trigger sensors together? Would be great hybrid. Thank you for great video!
I built my own kit like that. I use a td-17 module with real cymbals. Sounds better than this 12k drum kit
Absolutely great product, the idea of wireless electronics is genius. As a weekender musician, this has huge potential going back and forth between an acoustic drum and a edrum based on room size and venue style, or depending on the need and the sounds are both incredibly good - kuddos!!!!
Now, that being said, the targetted audience for such a product is unclear to me. The pricetag these carry definitely aims at pro to semi-pro players with a lot of money and this community of drummers likely has enough money to purchase distinct drums (acoustic and edrum) so they might not necessarily go for a swiss knife this kit is. So it leaves the weekender as the targetted audience but at that pricetag, you have to be a wealthy one… so while being an exceptionnal product, I’m not sure I’m willing to lay down the amount of money required.
I’ll sleep on it for a while and continue micing my drums up til I make a final decision :)
Thanks Drum Center, great review - keep it up!
I think the target audience is the same it's always been with electronic drums
1. Places where mic placement is highly problematic because of feedback, bleed, etc.
2. Places where playing with acoustic drums is problematic because of volume levels, mic placement---i.e. small rooms, playing with choirs, churches, etc.
3. Situations where drummers are playing a WIDE variety of styles in a single song set and drummers want to switch sounds between charts.
4. Practice (or recording) in an apartment or similar environment where volume levels must be tightly controlled.
I agree, I don't believe the potential target market is even big enough to generate much in sales, as you mentioned, most of players likely have a large collection of acoustic drums to begin with.
The big prize here is the wireless trigger system.
Having a beautiful DW kit would be nice, sure, but I think the vast majority of people playing electronic drums, are doing so for the variety of reason @ChurchWorship outlined.
Personally, I'd take all the triggers and put them in any old shell, just to have the wireless capabilities.
We'll see what Roland releases with their new flagship kits with this tech in them.
@@StereoAnthony But as several others have pointed out, there is no reason the guts of the electronic system couldn’t be offered with a much cheaper (yet still high quality) shell pack. Offer the system with Gretsch Renown shells and cut the price by 30-40%. Or offer the electronics/cymbals/mesh heads as a retrofit, cut the price by 50-60%.
@@ChurchWorshipTB Absolutely agree.
That being said for me personally, I'm in the EDrum camp of not wanting full size shells, as I prefer pads that take up much less room and are easier to transport.
I would prefer this trigger system be built into pads I could purchase, but if the system becomes available in this format, I'll likely buy a cheap acoustic kit, and cut down the shells to make them as thin as possible.
Either way, a very exciting prospect!
Many cheers to the cut away gags in this video. My Computer into the trashcan lol. How heavy are these drums? Not actual weight. No. I am wondering in comparison to picking up a typical weight kit vs a heavy weight kit. Was this kit heavier with the electronic gear inside than anything you have picked up before? Was it substantially heavier? Was it moderately heavier? Was it not so heavy at all? Thank you.
It’s about the same weight as a traditional collectors, because the lugs are a bit smaller and the weight of the triggers is minimal.
That is unexpected. I would have expected the triggers to add significant weight. Thank you for the direct and quick feedback. @@adamfrost3722
well done, you guys. DW is cool, no doubt.
In my opinion I think it’s a great sounding e drum. E drums have come along way since their conception
Curious if they’ll offer the triggers/cymbals and the receiver separately. This would be a lot more compelling if you already own a high end kit and want to also have a quick and easy e kit on hand, without actually having a second kit. For the convenience and lack of wires I would think the right buyers would be willing to shell out between 3000 and 4000 for that…
I agree, that would be amazing
Wireless spell trouble..latency is one, but interference with other signals and connection issues is bound to happen. I would never rely on that professionally.
THANKSFOR THIS REVIEW. AWESOME
Shane (Mr. Speed King ) must have the exclusive on this, I have heard nothing, no Rumors of this. This is so stunning, truly Revolutionary and totally comprehensive,
Magnific system! I dream with this...
FINALLY! Somebody gets it :). I have been building my own DIY E Drums for years. I love the pros of E kits but absolutely hated the look. I was just converting Cheap shells and painting the cymbals with gold paint :)
This is F#$#$ Crazy!
This is now the AUTHENTIC hybrid kit! And at 2:36, because we have hoops, it's a good thing we can still swap out the mesh heads for traditional ones. Niceeee, but can we also do the same to the Roland VAD-706?
So funny.....I only started to smile after you turned it into acoustic with real heads and cymbals....that sounds sooo much better. I started to learn drums on a Roland e-kit and I hated the dull module sounds so much that I bought a Tama Starclassic walnut/birch and since that day my e-kit fell asleep. I always prefer acoustic over an e-kit, even with this high end e-kit. But hands down, DW did a great job with this one.
Just 1 question: What about of E-snare crosstick system/response, etc.?? Because the roland digital snare is the best.
The future of e-drumming is bright. I do wish it was more affordable though.
it's DW, they are not really known for affordability :D but yeah, the technology behind this is wild
"Reenactment." Brilliant. Well done, folks.
very very nice ! a revolution.
What heads did you use for both the batter & reso sides when using as an acoustic? Tom's, snare & kick?
Oh yeah, great sound!!
I agree that this is an amazing breakthrough in technology. I still don’t think that the cymbals are to the point where they can be used professionally but the drums sound fantastic and I bet in a mix it would be impossible to determine that it is an electric kit. I think that the real audience for something like this is a touring arena drummer. Pair the tubs with some real cymbals and I bet you would have an amazing sounding kit that would be really easy to setup and tear down and get the same sound night after night no matter what room you are playing in. As with any new technology it is always expensive at first but will eventually trickle down to a more reasonable price point. I assume that this will be no different. I’m curious, are you able to play the set with the triggers and real heads? That would be pretty cool and the best of both worlds
the rudimentary animation at 3:16 took 5 hours from my life
Great Job !
what happened in history with the development of drums and technology in terms of some kind of innovation is that the acoustic drum always sounded better than any hybrid version. it is certainly convenient to have a combination of an acoustic drum and some modules where the diversity of sounds is completed and as such they are integrated into the whole picture of the production itself. I think that the charm and the possibilities of the interpretation itself, which the acoustic drum provides, are being lost.
That intro was hilarious 😂
Amazing! But can we use classic heads and trigger at the same?
Well damn
Be prepared to get sticker e-shocked when you see the price of those kits. There are a lot of drummers with $10k or more to drop for edrums with noisy steel cymbals.
too helpful and too great of a b roll and overall knowledge. had to sub it up
How to the mesh heads feel in comparison to Mylar? I have one on order, can’t wait!!!
Very cool, but it looks like it could be pretty easily adapted to most acoustic kits. You just need a shelf for the triggers to rest on inside the shell and that could be screwed under the lugs.
Great set of drums I Lost my drums in super Storm Sandy and really thinking of this setup thanks
Okay wait, what if you already have a drumset (like most of us) and can’t afford a DW kit, that’s the real question
My thought is that those who can afford the $10k for the 5 piece with cymbals don't need an all-in-one solution. But I dunno
Would have loved to see you do the acoustic shells with the electronic cymbals. Would be a combo for smaller churches where cymbal volume is what makes them put drummers in a cage
Surely those mesh heads are going to chew up the bearing edges on those shells?! 😬
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Pretty amazing, and a real treat to wake up to find these out now. This will most certainly be totally game changing technology.
I would imagine that Roland will start releasing some of their own wireless high end kits, that will be at least cheaper than these.
The market demographic for these will be pros or the big touring bands that can afford it, which I don't imagine it too big in the first place,
so if the company wants to make any money they 'll need to make them more accessible.
I imagine it's only a matter of time until Yamaha, Alesis, or any of the others will reverse engineer the tech.
I hope we'll see just the trigger system available at some point. Very excited either way!
What a time to be alive!
I can't help but think that while this is really a cool concept, I'm not sure how often someone would actually go back and forth between an acoustic setup to an electric one. 70 minutes can probably be brought down to 45 with some practice and maybe a tuner, but still how often are you going to want to do that? I wish they'd sell the cymbals, triggers and real sized set of some kind of fake shell for around half price because I'd rather have a real collectors kit and this is a separate option. Even if the fake shells cost another 2k, I'd probably bite on it. Love the wireless setup and the software for the drums as well. Just my thoughts on it. I guess the only problem is it would be hard to make it look as good as this but I'm sure they can pull it off.
Wow 🎉🎉🎉🎉 DW changes the game again
The quest for electronic drums continues. I started drumming in the mid 80’s and I remember when the Simmons pads came out and drummers started using them. I hated them….they sounded fake and felt terrible. 40 years later demo’d a new electronic kit last year…it was better but I still didn’t like the sound or the feel. This DWe looks really promising and I thought maybe they’ve finally cracked it. Nope. While I love that this is wireless and am intrigued by the idea of a hybrid kit, I can’t tell you how much dislike the way those electronic cymbals sound. And in the end when you compare the sounds of the kit in the acoustic mode vs. electronic it’s still no comparison to me. I’m sticking with good old fashioned acoustic drums (well I will if I ever get back into drumming). Now excuse me while I go yell at kids to get off my lawn. 😉
Amazing and innovative technology by DW for me personally though the sound of the acoustic is still superior. my E kit stays at home so keeping it quieter is a big deal.
Amazing kit. Shame I’ll never in a million years be able to afford one.
Dude if they had a dial tune like quick-removable head, this kit would be unstoppable.
Indeed, I mean this is not realistic for the common gigging drummer. No one will spend that amount of time switching back and forth between gigs and home practice
The acoustic version sounded so much better....the samples had too much room sound. Maybe DW could sell their electronic upgrade package for other acoustic drums, for a little smaller price tag?
That intro was hilarious 😂
I would really enjoy if we can also get a cutover in the video of what these sound like in the electronic configuration but no samples from the library. I'm trying to gage how "noisy" it actually is for practice in the basement when I'm not in a jam room or venue.
The cymbals, especially the hi hat are very noisy. It was a definitely no go at my church when they realized they’re still have to put up plexiglass just to block the sound of them. Stiff as a board too, putting in a good amount of time on these cymbals is not going to be good on the wrists. Stiffer than the old school Simmons plastic pads. The VST sounds alright though. If I was going to do that route, it would be on something with better feel. Played them in GC and couldn’t believe how loud.
Rather than a laptop or module, can you run the interface through an iPad? We all know laptops are not stage friendly for ‘accidents’ 😂
Also, any idea who will stock/available in UK?
Thanks for the video-really insightful.
0:10: first shell is B sharp (not C, it’s a bit flat for that).
Note that these DWe kits require a laptop/computer to setup and then a drum module or laptop/computer to play on it, it also doesn't have direct outs so you will need something for that if you need it. This all comes on top of the price that these kits already are so yeah this isn't for everyone
I was hoping to use the triggers AND acoustic sounds at the same time! I don’t want to just trigger drum sounds with my drums ya know 😂
Question did they sample the actual acoustic kit this kit actually is?
Btw loved the my computer into the trash bin clip 😂
9 grand is not that much more than the top end Roland VAD kit, but do these have a digital ride, snare and hi hat?
Just when you think DW can’t get anymore innovative than they already are now, they come out with this!!!!! I don’t get it, but I love it!!!!
Right @ around 4:23. Wasn't that an extra triggered cymbal when you were hitting the ride?
He hit the edge, which triggered a crash
Amazing..but costs ?
One has to wonder where the Slingerland reboot is in all this? Obviously the Slingerland buy was before the Roland acquisition, but an e-kit gets first dibs. Nice e-drums, but a tad disappointing for those of us who have been waiting a few years now for Slingerland to make its triumphant return.
Can you used the e parts but with actual drum heads? So you could blend the acoustic sound (which would require mics) with the electronic (module) sounds?
I think Mylar heads would not be sensitive enough to allow the triggers to respond properly.
the wireless technology is awesome. the shells in the plugin sound great but what I don't understand is why, after all this high end processing, the cymbal sounds are still "edrum" like. Nearly every drum plugin I own (for a fracture of the money) still sound way better than DWs plugin. That's a big let down for me. I always was very picky when it comes to cymbal sounds in edrum modules and the only one that does it right for me is the pearl mimic pro because it actually uses steven slate samples. Why can't they use better sounding cymbal samples like ggd, slate oder other companies do, which behave more natural? especially at this price point I would assume they sound much better than a 100$ drum library. Sure, you can use your favorite drum library with this kit, but it won't have the full dynamic range like the dw plugin has, which is a bit sad.
Interesting. I've always thought cymbal sounds have progressed quite well. I have a 18 yr old Roland TD6 and the cymbal sounds back then were very good. I did think I heard a couple of mis-triggers/cross triggers on one of these cymbals though.
It's the tom sounds that let edrums down for me. Especially during fills. And while these were up there with the best, they still sounded similar to the tom sounds from my ancient TD6.
they sound descend compared to other high price kits, but my problem is that drum plugins always sounded better to me. especially the hihats sound weird most of the time. the triggering is good on most modules/pads. it's just the sound when it's been hit multiple time in a row. it might have to do with the room processing or compression, but when I play with plugins I have no issues with weird sound behaving. but yes I'm picky :D
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