I played Simmons drums in the 80s. I played DDRUM esets in the 90s. I use Roland kits for teaching. I KNOW nothing feels or sounds like the real thing. Sorry… this looks great and it’s a cute idea, but…
Accoustic kit was tuned lower which made it sound fuller. Also the mic and mic positioning will always make a difference in the sound. Both sound great in my opinion.
The acoustic kit vs the electronic kit was mixed differently. That e-kit can be mixed to be very close to each other. That was not a bad sounding e-klt.
Hopefully the trigger assemblies will be made available individually. Since Roland bought them I can't imagine them not wanting to take advantage of the tech in other situations
That's a super neat kit, cool to see why Roland bought DW! I'd be more stoked if I felt there was going to be a PDP or more affordable version in the future, but the odds of that happening feel very low.
Yea that ain't happening. Tho...you'd think they'd want to get a kit out there that's half the price so they can sell twice as many. But my hope is this flops,at least a little, and they just bring the system out of the drums, dw aside, and make it available without needing to buy a dw kit.
I agree 110%! Having this same technology but in a not so expensive PDP shell pack would be amazing! This opens the doors for so many options including schools and churches that usually don't have big budgets for this kind of thing. I also agree with the idea of potentially selling an "electronics pack" only which would include the triggers and module, mounting brackets, mesh heads and cymbals. Most drummers already have the hardware they would need and may not need to buy new shells. DW could revolutionize this space even more with a conversion kit option and literally be in every tier of electronic drums. Also, eventually iPad integration would be nice.
The technology seems impressive, and it does seem to be the closest to an acoustic kit of all edrums, but I was surprised Shane said this kit was "for everyone". If the technology filters down to more affordable kits, maybe, but as it stands I can't help but think anyone who can afford the full 5 piece with cymbals and has the space to use it at home, doesn't currently have the problem of needing a one-kit-does-all solution. The ability to practice silently at home and use the same kit acoustically on the road I really doubt is a consideration for people with $10k to drop. Especially when you think you could have a serious edrum kit AND a serious acoustic kit, and no need to disassemble either, for the same money. The convenience is not a selling point at this price point. Like others have said, if the electronic guts become available to put in any acoustic kit, I guess it starts to make more sense, but as it is, it seems to be a unnecessary 'trick' IMHO
I had the same thought. For the price of the set (and the cymbals), one could get a very high-end set, real cymbals, and a good electronic set with cymbal pads. Very nice drums for sure, in any case.
😬 Honestly, everything I heard there sounded dreadful. And it's a concept that solves one minor problem - wires - while creating others: for example, you're lugging around an acoustic kit, it isn't silent etc. In other words, contrary to the sales patter, this is a step backwards. The emperor's new clothes. I'm an ex DW Collectors user, and I really think they're off the mark with this - ugly drums, sh*t sound and massively inconvenient. And stupidly expensive! Pass.
For a kit like this, you should play the drums in e-mode and show us how they sound without the headphones. I wanna know how loud these can get when I'm playing in my bedroom.
The acoustic version sounded so much better....the samples had too much room sound. Maybe DW could sell their electronic upgrade package for other acoustic drums, for a little smaller price tag?
I love you guys but to call this fairly priced for what it is I think is seriously out of sync with what most people can afford, let alone when the competition sounds better, let alone in a global recession. E-Drums have always been much more expensive than installing your own triggers (which can be done so affordably), but this is next level at $17,000. The USP of this is not having cables, and I’d rather just have cables at this price..! I’d also wager your average sound guy would rather have the safety of cables too. Not to mention a 70 minute turnaround from e-drum to acoustic, which is far too long to be practical for anything useful. The module most importantly though sounds really bad. Compare this to playing Superior Drummer through a VST or with samples pulled into a 2Box using software, and it’s night and day. Perhaps when this tech comes to Roland at a better price it’ll be worth a look but right now it’s overpriced for anyone but those with plenty of cash to spare, who also have an allergy to seeing cables. And on that note, good luck with any acoustic kit with microphones! 😂
Will DW be offering aftermarket trigger options for other drum brands ( the triggers sold separately)? Who wants a 10K DW when you've already got a "dream kit"
I think this is great however it's concerning the amount of acoustic sound it produces when in its e-form. The whole idea is that e-kits are quiet and if the cymbals are loud it's a problem. You will not be able to have this in an apartment so what is this built for?
@@adamfrost3722 I'd not considered it as an all-in-one for practice and recording at HOME. I got hung up on the video suggesting edrums for home and acoustic for the road and couldn't help think that anyone who can drop $10k on an ekit for home doesn't need it to be convertible.
Well done Tony. Your acoustic sounds are better than their samples.Tony please consider recording & selling full multi velocity- multi layered drum samples you truly know how to capture amazing drum sounds.
Good shout. The head to head video of the 26” kits, holy cow, how good did the SQ2 kit sounded. If they multi sampled that kit, full works, multi channel round robins etc. I’d have dived right in. But I understand from personal experience, sampling drums is a very laborious affair. But damn right these guys get killer drum mixes.
Thank you! Definitely something we may offer in the future. That being said, we do have a small, but growing sample library that we offer to those who have purchased electronic drums from us.
@@tinterlande these sample libraries, are they single shot or multi samples? I’m not asking to purchase them as such, just curious to how detailed they are. Either way I’m sure they sound absolutely fantastic.
I wonder how the acoustics sound with the triggers still inside. A good use case would be a session drummer recording an album while sending both acoustic sounds and electronic triggers for maximum flexibilty for the recording engineer...
The presence of the triggers would almost definitely ruin the acoustic sound of the drum, in order to receive signal they need to touch the batter head in the centre and edge which would noticeably mute the head, and I imagine the presence of the assembly between the batter and resonant head would have a pretty major negative impact on the sound. I also can't imagine the trigger responding well to a mylar head, both in terms of receiving notes and physical wear on the trigger.
Scratching my head…..some years ago the push was for shells with limited holes and attachments ……now back to more holes and attachments..?? But the “real” kit still sounded more real…..kudos to Tony!
It is a good sounding e kit, very seamless technology inside a real high end drum kit. When tuned as fine as Tony did, it made drum samples sound cheap, specially the snare, and that to me is the best thing, because if it fails, you end up with a true high end instrument. BTW the drum samples are excellent, so also there's that. First e kit that truly surprised me because is beautiful. something I really want to play because of how it looks and feel and not because I need to, due to volume or space issues
This certainly does open a lot of possibilities. I thought they sounded amazing acoustically! Ok DW, let's get something we can install in any drum shell to use with those triggers!
When i was in DW headquarters recently I was told that there was no need to remove the trigger when going acoustic. The only reason why you would want to remove it is because you overtones since the trigger will the dampen the drumhead a bit.
Be prepared to get sticker e-shocked when you see the price of those kits. There are a lot of drummers with $10k or more to drop for edrums with noisy steel cymbals.
The quest for electronic drums continues. I started drumming in the mid 80’s and I remember when the Simmons pads came out and drummers started using them. I hated them….they sounded fake and felt terrible. 40 years later demo’d a new electronic kit last year…it was better but I still didn’t like the sound or the feel. This DWe looks really promising and I thought maybe they’ve finally cracked it. Nope. While I love that this is wireless and am intrigued by the idea of a hybrid kit, I can’t tell you how much dislike the way those electronic cymbals sound. And in the end when you compare the sounds of the kit in the acoustic mode vs. electronic it’s still no comparison to me. I’m sticking with good old fashioned acoustic drums (well I will if I ever get back into drumming). Now excuse me while I go yell at kids to get off my lawn. 😉
Can extra triggers, shells, and cymbals be purchased? I’m assuming so. If that’s the case then you’re essentially getting two drum kits for the price of the DW-e I’ll give it a year for any kinks to be worked out, but I’m very interested
the wireless technology is awesome. the shells in the plugin sound great but what I don't understand is why, after all this high end processing, the cymbal sounds are still "edrum" like. Nearly every drum plugin I own (for a fracture of the money) still sound way better than DWs plugin. That's a big let down for me. I always was very picky when it comes to cymbal sounds in edrum modules and the only one that does it right for me is the pearl mimic pro because it actually uses steven slate samples. Why can't they use better sounding cymbal samples like ggd, slate oder other companies do, which behave more natural? especially at this price point I would assume they sound much better than a 100$ drum library. Sure, you can use your favorite drum library with this kit, but it won't have the full dynamic range like the dw plugin has, which is a bit sad.
Interesting. I've always thought cymbal sounds have progressed quite well. I have a 18 yr old Roland TD6 and the cymbal sounds back then were very good. I did think I heard a couple of mis-triggers/cross triggers on one of these cymbals though. It's the tom sounds that let edrums down for me. Especially during fills. And while these were up there with the best, they still sounded similar to the tom sounds from my ancient TD6.
they sound descend compared to other high price kits, but my problem is that drum plugins always sounded better to me. especially the hihats sound weird most of the time. the triggering is good on most modules/pads. it's just the sound when it's been hit multiple time in a row. it might have to do with the room processing or compression, but when I play with plugins I have no issues with weird sound behaving. but yes I'm picky :D @@jamesdennett196
So funny.....I only started to smile after you turned it into acoustic with real heads and cymbals....that sounds sooo much better. I started to learn drums on a Roland e-kit and I hated the dull module sounds so much that I bought a Tama Starclassic walnut/birch and since that day my e-kit fell asleep. I always prefer acoustic over an e-kit, even with this high end e-kit. But hands down, DW did a great job with this one.
Here is to hoping they offer just the triggers or cheaper shells as a Collector/Maple acoustic shell kit will absolutely go to waste in my situation! Why not put the triggers on their cheaper line or PDP shells and charge a ton less (maybe that is coming next)?
what happened in history with the development of drums and technology in terms of some kind of innovation is that the acoustic drum always sounded better than any hybrid version. it is certainly convenient to have a combination of an acoustic drum and some modules where the diversity of sounds is completed and as such they are integrated into the whole picture of the production itself. I think that the charm and the possibilities of the interpretation itself, which the acoustic drum provides, are being lost.
what is up with the cymbals? they are truly aweful sounding and i just cant stomach them! drums sound good but the samples hang on longer than is natural
Of course the question is if we can buy only the electronics and install it on any acoustic kit? If not, this is not interesting. Nobody has a million dollars just to get rid of wires.
1) Even listening with just my phone, the acoustic setup sounded WAY better. 2) Although the idea of having both acoustic and electric sounded appealing at the start, 1-2 hours to change them over is just rediculous. If it's once or twice a year, that's fine. But to change from practice to gig, back and forth, and have to re-tune, NO way! Question: Why can't the drums be played acoustically with the modules installed? That's the only way this makes sense.
The module sensors contact the heads, which would kill all resonance and sustain if left inside when playing acoustically. Especially with the bass drum.
Curious if they’ll offer the triggers/cymbals and the receiver separately. This would be a lot more compelling if you already own a high end kit and want to also have a quick and easy e kit on hand, without actually having a second kit. For the convenience and lack of wires I would think the right buyers would be willing to shell out between 3000 and 4000 for that…
Wireless spell trouble..latency is one, but interference with other signals and connection issues is bound to happen. I would never rely on that professionally.
Stunning technology. That said, for me at this point in my life, if I was going to purchase an electronic kit, it would be for quite practice at home. So, the cymbals not being quite wouldn't work for me. I love the idea of no wires. Tony certainly knows how to tune drums!
Loving the vid and thanks for the review. However, I don’t get it as a package. The wireless tech is a leap forward, but you could easily drop these triggers in and out of any kit - it’s a waste housing them in such high end drum shells. The samples in the interface are poor compared to SD3, so you have high end shells (which you don’t need) paired with poor electric samples. 70 mins to change from elec to acoustic is too long - you are never going to do it. The worst of both worlds.
Many cheers to the cut away gags in this video. My Computer into the trashcan lol. How heavy are these drums? Not actual weight. No. I am wondering in comparison to picking up a typical weight kit vs a heavy weight kit. Was this kit heavier with the electronic gear inside than anything you have picked up before? Was it substantially heavier? Was it moderately heavier? Was it not so heavy at all? Thank you.
Absolutely great product, the idea of wireless electronics is genius. As a weekender musician, this has huge potential going back and forth between an acoustic drum and a edrum based on room size and venue style, or depending on the need and the sounds are both incredibly good - kuddos!!!! Now, that being said, the targetted audience for such a product is unclear to me. The pricetag these carry definitely aims at pro to semi-pro players with a lot of money and this community of drummers likely has enough money to purchase distinct drums (acoustic and edrum) so they might not necessarily go for a swiss knife this kit is. So it leaves the weekender as the targetted audience but at that pricetag, you have to be a wealthy one… so while being an exceptionnal product, I’m not sure I’m willing to lay down the amount of money required. I’ll sleep on it for a while and continue micing my drums up til I make a final decision :) Thanks Drum Center, great review - keep it up!
I think the target audience is the same it's always been with electronic drums 1. Places where mic placement is highly problematic because of feedback, bleed, etc. 2. Places where playing with acoustic drums is problematic because of volume levels, mic placement---i.e. small rooms, playing with choirs, churches, etc. 3. Situations where drummers are playing a WIDE variety of styles in a single song set and drummers want to switch sounds between charts. 4. Practice (or recording) in an apartment or similar environment where volume levels must be tightly controlled.
I agree, I don't believe the potential target market is even big enough to generate much in sales, as you mentioned, most of players likely have a large collection of acoustic drums to begin with. The big prize here is the wireless trigger system. Having a beautiful DW kit would be nice, sure, but I think the vast majority of people playing electronic drums, are doing so for the variety of reason @ChurchWorship outlined. Personally, I'd take all the triggers and put them in any old shell, just to have the wireless capabilities. We'll see what Roland releases with their new flagship kits with this tech in them.
@@StereoAnthony But as several others have pointed out, there is no reason the guts of the electronic system couldn’t be offered with a much cheaper (yet still high quality) shell pack. Offer the system with Gretsch Renown shells and cut the price by 30-40%. Or offer the electronics/cymbals/mesh heads as a retrofit, cut the price by 50-60%.
@@ChurchWorshipTB Absolutely agree. That being said for me personally, I'm in the EDrum camp of not wanting full size shells, as I prefer pads that take up much less room and are easier to transport. I would prefer this trigger system be built into pads I could purchase, but if the system becomes available in this format, I'll likely buy a cheap acoustic kit, and cut down the shells to make them as thin as possible. Either way, a very exciting prospect!
Love the video and the DWe Kit, but basically I couldn’t help noticing the Electronic Drums sound did not sound better than the actual Acoustic Drum sound at all, the real Drum sound is much more crisp and better quality in my humble opinion!, 👍🏾
It looks like it's be pitched via Roland's sales model of the VAD706, with preset shell, sizes and finishes. I was looking forward to the DW 'customisation' model, which this is not & doesnt make a switch from my expanded 706 to a DW wireless an option. When will DW allow you to order the finish you want, the wood shell you'd like & in the sizes you'd like? That's when this becomes a contender for me to replace the VAD706. (I already have a Tama Star Maple, hence the maple isn't a selling point to me). Thanks!
I think this idea is over due, so well done to DW for bringing this forward however, there are a couple of things to consider. The fact that the battery is in the trigger, sods law will come into play and if you are at a gig and the battery dies or is faulty, you have to take off the head to get to it. Not, a great idea. A small cable could be put out of the air hole and the a battery compartment stuck on the side, for easy/quick access. Number two - As an I.T. professional and licenced ham radio operator, I'm aware that wireless technology over 300MHz is dangerous. Now, people's first reaction will be to say "no it's not, the Government would not allow it otherwise". Well, that's just ignorance and a lack of knowledge, sorry. So, I'd like to know what frequencies DW are using for their wireless system. May they are using a "clean" system so I'm open to find out more.
Amazing and innovative technology by DW for me personally though the sound of the acoustic is still superior. my E kit stays at home so keeping it quieter is a big deal.
2box is the best e drum kit... wanna know why? cuz it works really good. super durable and doesn't cost 10k... watch Alex Rudinger use one on his youtube. who can even afford roland or Zildjian or now this... who ? Jeff Bezos??
One has to wonder where the Slingerland reboot is in all this? Obviously the Slingerland buy was before the Roland acquisition, but an e-kit gets first dibs. Nice e-drums, but a tad disappointing for those of us who have been waiting a few years now for Slingerland to make its triumphant return.
I'll stick with gas, but this electro DW is way too cool to ignore! I actually thought it would be more expensive.... Did I say that? Peace and Blessings to Y'all at DCP, and I am still hoping to make my way over to see y'all; maybe soon!
My dw”e” kit is a secondhand Collectors, fitted with Roland mesh heads, triggers, Roland Td-9 module, Jobeky cymbals and superior Drummer 3. Total cost £4k. Apart from having the inconvenience of wires, I can’t see why I need to pay £6k more for this? And superior Drummer 3 sounds better for sure, eapecially for toms and hihats????
This is now the AUTHENTIC hybrid kit! And at 2:36, because we have hoops, it's a good thing we can still swap out the mesh heads for traditional ones. Niceeee, but can we also do the same to the Roland VAD-706?
Ok..well… First, the E version is still loud as balls. Second, the wires are not THAT big of a deal. Third, high-end Roland kits still blow the doors off this kit 🫡
Great kit. I love that finish. The acoustic was tuned and mixed very well. Great job! The cost of $11K is high, but when you think about all that you get for that.... a full 5 piece kit, full cymbal pak, all the hardware, hi-hat stand, DW5000 bass pedal, combo tom & cymbal stands, and the Soundworks software with the interfaces, plus, etc. And, you get a true 9-ply maple acoustic kit. All you need is acoustic heads and cymbals. With it being electronic, no mics needed. I think with all you get, along with the wireless techbology, it is fairly priced. However, I think they should give you the acoustic heads and a Zildjian acoustic cymbal pak to truly give you the works! Then, it would be even more worthy of the price tag. If electronic drummers trade-in or sell the e-kit they currently have and purchase this one, the price really becomes even more attractive.
The price is going to be way too much, bc, DW, but also the tech worries me. You’re reliant upon the battery, trigger, data hub and computer all functioning correctly, 100% of the time with ZERO latency. I don’t buy it. LMAO! The kits are 10+ gigs each!
I just don’t understand this logic. To me the only use for an electric kit is quiet practice because if you are a performing drummer you are going to want an acoustic kit. It’s just better and more authentic. So taking away the quiet practice aspect and then putting a 10,000 dollar price tag on it just kind makes it useless in my opinion. You can get a waaaaay better acoustic kit for 10,000 bucks. Nice try DW
I can't help but think that while this is really a cool concept, I'm not sure how often someone would actually go back and forth between an acoustic setup to an electric one. 70 minutes can probably be brought down to 45 with some practice and maybe a tuner, but still how often are you going to want to do that? I wish they'd sell the cymbals, triggers and real sized set of some kind of fake shell for around half price because I'd rather have a real collectors kit and this is a separate option. Even if the fake shells cost another 2k, I'd probably bite on it. Love the wireless setup and the software for the drums as well. Just my thoughts on it. I guess the only problem is it would be hard to make it look as good as this but I'm sure they can pull it off.
I love DW, personally and business, but i saw nothing in this video that make me want to purchase. DW fail. But straight up, this is what happens when Roland buys DW.
Eh… toms and kick sound great. Snare seems like it’s lacking, and the cymbals are where the e kit really takes a hit. However… would you notice in a mix? Especially live.
It seems to me the E cymbals do not sound nearly as natural or subtle as the E drums. It seemed VERY apparent that they were E cymbals, as compared to the drums. They sadly seemed to lack the subtlety and dynamics one would hope for from the supposed pinnacle of E drums and cymbals. ☹ DCP staff, do you agree? Or perhaps were they just mixed too loudly in the audio mix? But it really seemed apparent to me...
This kit’s cymbals do not make sense at all. If the point was to make a set that sounds good both electronically and acoustically, why to include loud cymbals that sound cheap? They should’ve paired with a cymbal maker to do the cymbals. Prices were going to be unreachable anyway.
What I don't get is why the top end Roland sets don't sound as good. especially since Roland owns DW. I would buy this DW kit but I am concerned about the volume of the kit in my Condo. because it seems to be allot louder with the metal cymbals and regular drum shells. also the lack of a module with outs is a little of an issue. I want to also use the kit for recording. what I want is a top end kit that is quiet in the room but with totally realistic sounding drums which Roland doesn't even give you on there VAD706 top end set. I don't really care about it looking like a traditional acoustic set. I think I might need to move into a house so I can use this DW kit lol. because it's a sweet set. but on the other hand if I moved into a house I could sound proof a room and play my acoustic kit.
I think this will finally bury DW . What is the point if having a drum kit that’s real electric yet made to sound like real drums. This is absolute stupidity.
cymbal performance still feels disappointing, especially at the price. really, it's not THAT hard to make a nice hybrid kit, although the value for their shells isn't bad, but the cymbals still don't act as they should. despite your best efforts for example the ride will trigger the crash sample even though you're not playing the edge
Ots the combo of takimg advantage of the community leaders via ostracizing the trueist of players into bars and open jams and soul less corporate or beach bar gigs and we say six string guitars four and five string basses and five piece deumsets have disillusioned the masses into believing junk is quality in music and now its spread to garbage twenty name ome song three word mega hits
Hard to know from the demo, but it sounds like these e-kit sounds suffer from the common fault of over-processed artificial sounding samples. Listening to it back to back with the real kit is very eye-opening, night and day difference. Maybe some of that can be turned off in software but it's a hard no from me based on sound. The hardware looks amazing but I think e-drums mostly appeal to a lower price bracket than this will be available to. If Roland can add this wireless tech to more budget kits it will be a very welcome addition.
I'm going to armadillo guitars very soon to discuss this and I will see Eric because this horse shit is the type of garbage mentality that has corrupted the modern music industry into devolving
Very cool but there's just no way to drop $11,000 on that thing instead of a top top top of the line acoustic kit. Will be much more affordable hopefully in the coming years.
Once again, DCP is doing a MUCH more thorough demo and side by side, than even the manufacturer. Thanks dudes!
Appreciated. Thanks!
I played Simmons drums in the 80s. I played DDRUM esets in the 90s. I use Roland kits for teaching. I KNOW nothing feels or sounds like the real thing. Sorry… this looks great and it’s a cute idea, but…
Amazing..but costs ?
I think it sounded much better as an acoustic kit. DW has priced these out of the reach of 90% of e-drummers.
Accoustic kit was tuned lower which made it sound fuller. Also the mic and mic positioning will always make a difference in the sound. Both sound great in my opinion.
The acoustic kit vs the electronic kit was mixed differently. That e-kit can be mixed to be very close to each other. That was not a bad sounding e-klt.
I definitely agree, but in the realm of electronic drums, it’s definitely one of the most impressive kits I’ve heard. But you do pay the price…
Agree, and no professional will be using this.
You'll be able to find one of the $10,000 full kits for five or $6,000 not too far into the future just give it a couple years
Hopefully the trigger assemblies will be made available individually. Since Roland bought them I can't imagine them not wanting to take advantage of the tech in other situations
That's a super neat kit, cool to see why Roland bought DW! I'd be more stoked if I felt there was going to be a PDP or more affordable version in the future, but the odds of that happening feel very low.
Yea that ain't happening. Tho...you'd think they'd want to get a kit out there that's half the price so they can sell twice as many. But my hope is this flops,at least a little, and they just bring the system out of the drums, dw aside, and make it available without needing to buy a dw kit.
I agree 110%! Having this same technology but in a not so expensive PDP shell pack would be amazing! This opens the doors for so many options including schools and churches that usually don't have big budgets for this kind of thing. I also agree with the idea of potentially selling an "electronics pack" only which would include the triggers and module, mounting brackets, mesh heads and cymbals. Most drummers already have the hardware they would need and may not need to buy new shells. DW could revolutionize this space even more with a conversion kit option and literally be in every tier of electronic drums. Also, eventually iPad integration would be nice.
The technology seems impressive, and it does seem to be the closest to an acoustic kit of all edrums, but I was surprised Shane said this kit was "for everyone". If the technology filters down to more affordable kits, maybe, but as it stands I can't help but think anyone who can afford the full 5 piece with cymbals and has the space to use it at home, doesn't currently have the problem of needing a one-kit-does-all solution. The ability to practice silently at home and use the same kit acoustically on the road I really doubt is a consideration for people with $10k to drop. Especially when you think you could have a serious edrum kit AND a serious acoustic kit, and no need to disassemble either, for the same money. The convenience is not a selling point at this price point.
Like others have said, if the electronic guts become available to put in any acoustic kit, I guess it starts to make more sense, but as it is, it seems to be a unnecessary 'trick'
IMHO
I had the same thought. For the price of the set (and the cymbals), one could get a very high-end set, real cymbals, and a good electronic set with cymbal pads. Very nice drums for sure, in any case.
Well said. agree
😬 Honestly, everything I heard there sounded dreadful.
And it's a concept that solves one minor problem - wires - while creating others: for example, you're lugging around an acoustic kit, it isn't silent etc.
In other words, contrary to the sales patter, this is a step backwards. The emperor's new clothes.
I'm an ex DW Collectors user, and I really think they're off the mark with this - ugly drums, sh*t sound and massively inconvenient.
And stupidly expensive!
Pass.
I wonder why the cymbals samples sound so lame. DW/Roland shouldn’t have problems accessing better samples, I think.
Unfortunately most of us can't afford a regular DW kit. Although it's groundbreaking and really cool, it's really a niche, niche market.
Agreed
For a kit like this, you should play the drums in e-mode and show us how they sound without the headphones. I wanna know how loud these can get when I'm playing in my bedroom.
Especially with the resonant heads😂
The acoustic version sounded so much better....the samples had too much room sound. Maybe DW could sell their electronic upgrade package for other acoustic drums, for a little smaller price tag?
I love you guys but to call this fairly priced for what it is I think is seriously out of sync with what most people can afford, let alone when the competition sounds better, let alone in a global recession. E-Drums have always been much more expensive than installing your own triggers (which can be done so affordably), but this is next level at $17,000. The USP of this is not having cables, and I’d rather just have cables at this price..! I’d also wager your average sound guy would rather have the safety of cables too. Not to mention a 70 minute turnaround from e-drum to acoustic, which is far too long to be practical for anything useful. The module most importantly though sounds really bad. Compare this to playing Superior Drummer through a VST or with samples pulled into a 2Box using software, and it’s night and day. Perhaps when this tech comes to Roland at a better price it’ll be worth a look but right now it’s overpriced for anyone but those with plenty of cash to spare, who also have an allergy to seeing cables. And on that note, good luck with any acoustic kit with microphones! 😂
Okay wait, what if you already have a drumset (like most of us) and can’t afford a DW kit, that’s the real question
My thought is that those who can afford the $10k for the 5 piece with cymbals don't need an all-in-one solution. But I dunno
Will DW be offering aftermarket trigger options for other drum brands ( the triggers sold separately)? Who wants a 10K DW when you've already got a "dream kit"
Who asked for this?
I think this is great however it's concerning the amount of acoustic sound it produces when in its e-form. The whole idea is that e-kits are quiet and if the cymbals are loud it's a problem. You will not be able to have this in an apartment so what is this built for?
For recording and practicing at home. While it isn’t late at night apartment friendly, it is about 75% quieter than a full acoustic kit.
@@adamfrost3722 I'd not considered it as an all-in-one for practice and recording at HOME. I got hung up on the video suggesting edrums for home and acoustic for the road and couldn't help think that anyone who can drop $10k on an ekit for home doesn't need it to be convertible.
Well done Tony. Your acoustic sounds are better than their samples.Tony please consider recording & selling full multi velocity- multi layered drum samples you truly know how to capture amazing drum sounds.
Good shout. The head to head video of the 26” kits, holy cow, how good did the SQ2 kit sounded. If they multi sampled that kit, full works, multi channel round robins etc. I’d have dived right in. But I understand from personal experience, sampling drums is a very laborious affair. But damn right these guys get killer drum mixes.
I agree 100%.
Thank you! Definitely something we may offer in the future. That being said, we do have a small, but growing sample library that we offer to those who have purchased electronic drums from us.
@@steevidrumsthanks! Yeah, that was a fun one!
@@tinterlande these sample libraries, are they single shot or multi samples? I’m not asking to purchase them as such, just curious to how detailed they are. Either way I’m sure they sound absolutely fantastic.
I wonder how the acoustics sound with the triggers still inside. A good use case would be a session drummer recording an album while sending both acoustic sounds and electronic triggers for maximum flexibilty for the recording engineer...
Yes, taking them out seems daft imho use them and blend it
The presence of the triggers would almost definitely ruin the acoustic sound of the drum, in order to receive signal they need to touch the batter head in the centre and edge which would noticeably mute the head, and I imagine the presence of the assembly between the batter and resonant head would have a pretty major negative impact on the sound. I also can't imagine the trigger responding well to a mylar head, both in terms of receiving notes and physical wear on the trigger.
@thomaskennydrums not in my experience with internal triggers from other kits
@@ironblast5 the head of the trigger touches the drumhead. I would sound atrocious if you left the triggers in and used real drum heads.
The technology is incredible. Curious how it well it plays with existing VSTs.
Scratching my head…..some years ago the push was for shells with limited holes and attachments ……now back to more holes and attachments..?? But the “real” kit still sounded more real…..kudos to Tony!
No added holes. The trigger assembly attaches with the lug mounting screws
It is a good sounding e kit, very seamless technology inside a real high end drum kit. When tuned as fine as Tony did, it made drum samples sound cheap, specially the snare, and that to me is the best thing, because if it fails, you end up with a true high end instrument. BTW the drum samples are excellent, so also there's that. First e kit that truly surprised me because is beautiful. something I really want to play because of how it looks and feel and not because I need to, due to volume or space issues
Finally a $10,000 drum set that's actually worth $10,000!
This certainly does open a lot of possibilities. I thought they sounded amazing acoustically!
Ok DW, let's get something we can install in any drum shell to use with those triggers!
Or at least sell them installed in one of their less expensive kits.
When i was in DW headquarters recently I was told that there was no need to remove the trigger when going acoustic. The only reason why you would want to remove it is because you overtones since the trigger will the dampen the drumhead a bit.
Be prepared to get sticker e-shocked when you see the price of those kits. There are a lot of drummers with $10k or more to drop for edrums with noisy steel cymbals.
Surely those mesh heads are going to chew up the bearing edges on those shells?! 😬
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Doctors, CEO’s and lawyers are buying these drums, upper middle class 100%. Someone is going to reverse engineer these and offer a cheaper version.
The quest for electronic drums continues. I started drumming in the mid 80’s and I remember when the Simmons pads came out and drummers started using them. I hated them….they sounded fake and felt terrible. 40 years later demo’d a new electronic kit last year…it was better but I still didn’t like the sound or the feel. This DWe looks really promising and I thought maybe they’ve finally cracked it. Nope. While I love that this is wireless and am intrigued by the idea of a hybrid kit, I can’t tell you how much dislike the way those electronic cymbals sound. And in the end when you compare the sounds of the kit in the acoustic mode vs. electronic it’s still no comparison to me. I’m sticking with good old fashioned acoustic drums (well I will if I ever get back into drumming). Now excuse me while I go yell at kids to get off my lawn. 😉
Can extra triggers, shells, and cymbals be purchased? I’m assuming so.
If that’s the case then you’re essentially getting two drum kits for the price of the DW-e
I’ll give it a year for any kinks to be worked out, but I’m very interested
the wireless technology is awesome. the shells in the plugin sound great but what I don't understand is why, after all this high end processing, the cymbal sounds are still "edrum" like. Nearly every drum plugin I own (for a fracture of the money) still sound way better than DWs plugin. That's a big let down for me. I always was very picky when it comes to cymbal sounds in edrum modules and the only one that does it right for me is the pearl mimic pro because it actually uses steven slate samples. Why can't they use better sounding cymbal samples like ggd, slate oder other companies do, which behave more natural? especially at this price point I would assume they sound much better than a 100$ drum library. Sure, you can use your favorite drum library with this kit, but it won't have the full dynamic range like the dw plugin has, which is a bit sad.
Interesting. I've always thought cymbal sounds have progressed quite well. I have a 18 yr old Roland TD6 and the cymbal sounds back then were very good. I did think I heard a couple of mis-triggers/cross triggers on one of these cymbals though.
It's the tom sounds that let edrums down for me. Especially during fills. And while these were up there with the best, they still sounded similar to the tom sounds from my ancient TD6.
they sound descend compared to other high price kits, but my problem is that drum plugins always sounded better to me. especially the hihats sound weird most of the time. the triggering is good on most modules/pads. it's just the sound when it's been hit multiple time in a row. it might have to do with the room processing or compression, but when I play with plugins I have no issues with weird sound behaving. but yes I'm picky :D
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So funny.....I only started to smile after you turned it into acoustic with real heads and cymbals....that sounds sooo much better. I started to learn drums on a Roland e-kit and I hated the dull module sounds so much that I bought a Tama Starclassic walnut/birch and since that day my e-kit fell asleep. I always prefer acoustic over an e-kit, even with this high end e-kit. But hands down, DW did a great job with this one.
Here is to hoping they offer just the triggers or cheaper shells as a Collector/Maple acoustic shell kit will absolutely go to waste in my situation! Why not put the triggers on their cheaper line or PDP shells and charge a ton less (maybe that is coming next)?
Well damn
It only cost $125,000
neat kit but the aucustic version sounded 10x better
what happened in history with the development of drums and technology in terms of some kind of innovation is that the acoustic drum always sounded better than any hybrid version. it is certainly convenient to have a combination of an acoustic drum and some modules where the diversity of sounds is completed and as such they are integrated into the whole picture of the production itself. I think that the charm and the possibilities of the interpretation itself, which the acoustic drum provides, are being lost.
This is F#$#$ Crazy!
22 seconds in and liked 🤘🏻🤪
Easily the most innovative item from DW since the original 5000 series pedals.
I don't believe their claims about latency.
what is up with the cymbals? they are truly aweful sounding and i just cant stomach them! drums sound good but the samples hang on longer than is natural
This hurts my soul a little bit...
A working man can't afford these
Awesome technology but i cant help but feel like the electronic kit is still shotgunning. I hope the software side will some day catch up 😊
Of course the question is if we can buy only the electronics and install it on any acoustic kit? If not, this is not interesting. Nobody has a million dollars just to get rid of wires.
1) Even listening with just my phone, the acoustic setup sounded WAY better.
2) Although the idea of having both acoustic and electric sounded appealing at the start, 1-2 hours to change them over is just rediculous. If it's once or twice a year, that's fine. But to change from practice to gig, back and forth, and have to re-tune, NO way!
Question: Why can't the drums be played acoustically with the modules installed? That's the only way this makes sense.
The module sensors contact the heads, which would kill all resonance and sustain if left inside when playing acoustically. Especially with the bass drum.
That intro should win something
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Another Dr / Lawyer product. Who else can afford this? Not me 😅
Curious if they’ll offer the triggers/cymbals and the receiver separately. This would be a lot more compelling if you already own a high end kit and want to also have a quick and easy e kit on hand, without actually having a second kit. For the convenience and lack of wires I would think the right buyers would be willing to shell out between 3000 and 4000 for that…
I agree, that would be amazing
Wireless spell trouble..latency is one, but interference with other signals and connection issues is bound to happen. I would never rely on that professionally.
Stunning technology. That said, for me at this point in my life, if I was going to purchase an electronic kit, it would be for quite practice at home. So, the cymbals not being quite wouldn't work for me. I love the idea of no wires. Tony certainly knows how to tune drums!
Question did they sample the actual acoustic kit this kit actually is?
Btw loved the my computer into the trash bin clip 😂
Thank you for the wonderful presentation.
Glad you enjoyed it!
No matter how hard they try Natural drums will always sound better than electric kits. Cant be replaced.
Like Piano sampels.
Question… can you use acoustic heads and trigger sensors together? Would be great hybrid. Thank you for great video!
I built my own kit like that. I use a td-17 module with real cymbals. Sounds better than this 12k drum kit
These are absolutely mind-blowing. I want.
Loving the vid and thanks for the review. However, I don’t get it as a package. The wireless tech is a leap forward, but you could easily drop these triggers in and out of any kit - it’s a waste housing them in such high end drum shells. The samples in the interface are poor compared to SD3, so you have high end shells (which you don’t need) paired with poor electric samples. 70 mins to change from elec to acoustic is too long - you are never going to do it. The worst of both worlds.
Many cheers to the cut away gags in this video. My Computer into the trashcan lol. How heavy are these drums? Not actual weight. No. I am wondering in comparison to picking up a typical weight kit vs a heavy weight kit. Was this kit heavier with the electronic gear inside than anything you have picked up before? Was it substantially heavier? Was it moderately heavier? Was it not so heavy at all? Thank you.
It’s about the same weight as a traditional collectors, because the lugs are a bit smaller and the weight of the triggers is minimal.
That is unexpected. I would have expected the triggers to add significant weight. Thank you for the direct and quick feedback. @@adamfrost3722
Absolutely great product, the idea of wireless electronics is genius. As a weekender musician, this has huge potential going back and forth between an acoustic drum and a edrum based on room size and venue style, or depending on the need and the sounds are both incredibly good - kuddos!!!!
Now, that being said, the targetted audience for such a product is unclear to me. The pricetag these carry definitely aims at pro to semi-pro players with a lot of money and this community of drummers likely has enough money to purchase distinct drums (acoustic and edrum) so they might not necessarily go for a swiss knife this kit is. So it leaves the weekender as the targetted audience but at that pricetag, you have to be a wealthy one… so while being an exceptionnal product, I’m not sure I’m willing to lay down the amount of money required.
I’ll sleep on it for a while and continue micing my drums up til I make a final decision :)
Thanks Drum Center, great review - keep it up!
I think the target audience is the same it's always been with electronic drums
1. Places where mic placement is highly problematic because of feedback, bleed, etc.
2. Places where playing with acoustic drums is problematic because of volume levels, mic placement---i.e. small rooms, playing with choirs, churches, etc.
3. Situations where drummers are playing a WIDE variety of styles in a single song set and drummers want to switch sounds between charts.
4. Practice (or recording) in an apartment or similar environment where volume levels must be tightly controlled.
I agree, I don't believe the potential target market is even big enough to generate much in sales, as you mentioned, most of players likely have a large collection of acoustic drums to begin with.
The big prize here is the wireless trigger system.
Having a beautiful DW kit would be nice, sure, but I think the vast majority of people playing electronic drums, are doing so for the variety of reason @ChurchWorship outlined.
Personally, I'd take all the triggers and put them in any old shell, just to have the wireless capabilities.
We'll see what Roland releases with their new flagship kits with this tech in them.
@@StereoAnthony But as several others have pointed out, there is no reason the guts of the electronic system couldn’t be offered with a much cheaper (yet still high quality) shell pack. Offer the system with Gretsch Renown shells and cut the price by 30-40%. Or offer the electronics/cymbals/mesh heads as a retrofit, cut the price by 50-60%.
@@ChurchWorshipTB Absolutely agree.
That being said for me personally, I'm in the EDrum camp of not wanting full size shells, as I prefer pads that take up much less room and are easier to transport.
I would prefer this trigger system be built into pads I could purchase, but if the system becomes available in this format, I'll likely buy a cheap acoustic kit, and cut down the shells to make them as thin as possible.
Either way, a very exciting prospect!
Love the video and the DWe Kit, but basically I couldn’t help noticing the Electronic Drums sound did not sound better than the actual Acoustic Drum sound at all, the real Drum sound is much more crisp and better quality in my humble opinion!, 👍🏾
It looks like it's be pitched via Roland's sales model of the VAD706, with preset shell, sizes and finishes. I was looking forward to the DW 'customisation' model, which this is not & doesnt make a switch from my expanded 706 to a DW wireless an option. When will DW allow you to order the finish you want, the wood shell you'd like & in the sizes you'd like? That's when this becomes a contender for me to replace the VAD706. (I already have a Tama Star Maple, hence the maple isn't a selling point to me). Thanks!
Why?
I think this idea is over due, so well done to DW for bringing this forward however, there are a couple of things to consider. The fact that the battery is in the trigger, sods law will come into play and if you are at a gig and the battery dies or is faulty, you have to take off the head to get to it. Not, a great idea. A small cable could be put out of the air hole and the a battery compartment stuck on the side, for easy/quick access.
Number two - As an I.T. professional and licenced ham radio operator, I'm aware that wireless technology over 300MHz is dangerous. Now, people's first reaction will be to say "no it's not, the Government would not allow it otherwise". Well, that's just ignorance and a lack of knowledge, sorry. So, I'd like to know what frequencies DW are using for their wireless system. May they are using a "clean" system so I'm open to find out more.
Thanks guys. That was a great intro. Had a good laugh. 😂
Amazing and innovative technology by DW for me personally though the sound of the acoustic is still superior. my E kit stays at home so keeping it quieter is a big deal.
2box is the best e drum kit... wanna know why? cuz it works really good. super durable and doesn't cost 10k... watch Alex Rudinger use one on his youtube.
who can even afford roland or Zildjian or now this... who ? Jeff Bezos??
the real question is how
many ten of thousands dollars this thing worth 😅 probably the lond of kit only bozzio and the 65yrs old collector
One has to wonder where the Slingerland reboot is in all this? Obviously the Slingerland buy was before the Roland acquisition, but an e-kit gets first dibs. Nice e-drums, but a tad disappointing for those of us who have been waiting a few years now for Slingerland to make its triumphant return.
Man I need money!
Love DCP, don’t love an 11K e kit
fair!
For $10,999.99 you could go get a vintage Gretsch, Slingerland, Ludwig, and a DW and have money to spare
I'll stick with gas, but this electro DW is way too cool to ignore! I actually thought it would be more expensive.... Did I say that? Peace and Blessings to Y'all at DCP, and I am still hoping to make my way over to see y'all; maybe soon!
My dw”e” kit is a secondhand Collectors, fitted with Roland mesh heads, triggers, Roland Td-9 module, Jobeky cymbals and superior Drummer 3. Total cost £4k. Apart from having the inconvenience of wires, I can’t see why I need to pay £6k more for this? And superior Drummer 3 sounds better for sure, eapecially for toms and hihats????
This is now the AUTHENTIC hybrid kit! And at 2:36, because we have hoops, it's a good thing we can still swap out the mesh heads for traditional ones. Niceeee, but can we also do the same to the Roland VAD-706?
Ok..well… First, the E version is still loud as balls. Second, the wires are not THAT big of a deal. Third, high-end Roland kits still blow the doors off this kit 🫡
Great kit. I love that finish. The acoustic was tuned and mixed very well. Great job!
The cost of $11K is high, but when you think about all that you get for that.... a full 5 piece kit, full cymbal pak, all the hardware, hi-hat stand, DW5000 bass pedal, combo tom & cymbal stands, and the Soundworks software with the interfaces, plus, etc.
And, you get a true 9-ply maple acoustic kit. All you need is acoustic heads and cymbals. With it being electronic, no mics needed. I think with all you get, along with the wireless techbology, it is fairly priced. However, I think they should give you the acoustic heads and a Zildjian acoustic cymbal pak to truly give you the works! Then, it would be even more worthy of the price tag.
If electronic drummers trade-in or sell the e-kit they currently have and purchase this one, the price really becomes even more attractive.
The price is going to be way too much, bc, DW, but also the tech worries me. You’re reliant upon the battery, trigger, data hub and computer all functioning correctly, 100% of the time with ZERO latency. I don’t buy it.
LMAO! The kits are 10+ gigs each!
I just don’t understand this logic. To me the only use for an electric kit is quiet practice because if you are a performing drummer you are going to want an acoustic kit. It’s just better and more authentic. So taking away the quiet practice aspect and then putting a 10,000 dollar price tag on it just kind makes it useless in my opinion. You can get a waaaaay better acoustic kit for 10,000 bucks. Nice try DW
I would put and adapter for the battery so u can plug it in to a wall socket, just run the wires..... oh ... wires..never mind..😮
I can't help but think that while this is really a cool concept, I'm not sure how often someone would actually go back and forth between an acoustic setup to an electric one. 70 minutes can probably be brought down to 45 with some practice and maybe a tuner, but still how often are you going to want to do that? I wish they'd sell the cymbals, triggers and real sized set of some kind of fake shell for around half price because I'd rather have a real collectors kit and this is a separate option. Even if the fake shells cost another 2k, I'd probably bite on it. Love the wireless setup and the software for the drums as well. Just my thoughts on it. I guess the only problem is it would be hard to make it look as good as this but I'm sure they can pull it off.
I love DW, personally and business, but i saw nothing in this video that make me want to purchase. DW fail. But straight up, this is what happens when Roland buys DW.
Eh… toms and kick sound great. Snare seems like it’s lacking, and the cymbals are where the e kit really takes a hit.
However… would you notice in a mix? Especially live.
It seems to me the E cymbals do not sound nearly as natural or subtle as the E drums. It seemed VERY apparent that they were E cymbals, as compared to the drums. They sadly seemed to lack the subtlety and dynamics one would hope for from the supposed pinnacle of E drums and cymbals. ☹ DCP staff, do you agree? Or perhaps were they just mixed too loudly in the audio mix? But it really seemed apparent to me...
This kit’s cymbals do not make sense at all. If the point was to make a set that sounds good both electronically and acoustically, why to include loud cymbals that sound cheap? They should’ve paired with a cymbal maker to do the cymbals. Prices were going to be unreachable anyway.
they should also release 8" splash cymbals or china and fx cymbals like efnote is doing to have a more expanded experience, kuddos to DW though
The E setup is impressive, but I prefer the acoustic version overall. Nothing like the sound of a DW kit!
Hey man, why aren't you playing your drums?? Because their battery is dead. Lol
Sorry, but not interested in these drums !!! I don't like the way the drums sound and the cymbals as well. I'll stay with my acoustic drums
What I don't get is why the top end Roland sets don't sound as good. especially since Roland owns DW. I would buy this DW kit but I am concerned about the volume of the kit in my Condo. because it seems to be allot louder with the metal cymbals and regular drum shells. also the lack of a module with outs is a little of an issue. I want to also use the kit for recording. what I want is a top end kit that is quiet in the room but with totally realistic sounding drums which Roland doesn't even give you on there VAD706 top end set. I don't really care about it looking like a traditional acoustic set. I think I might need to move into a house so I can use this DW kit lol. because it's a sweet set. but on the other hand if I moved into a house I could sound proof a room and play my acoustic kit.
I think this will finally bury DW . What is the point if having a drum kit that’s real electric yet made to sound like real drums. This is absolute stupidity.
This wireless technology is using Bluetooth Le it was invented and co designed by Versa trigger Dw bought it from them
What would happen if the battery exploded and ruined the terminals. Hopefully DW will cover under warranty
cymbal performance still feels disappointing, especially at the price. really, it's not THAT hard to make a nice hybrid kit, although the value for their shells isn't bad, but the cymbals still don't act as they should. despite your best efforts for example the ride will trigger the crash sample even though you're not playing the edge
4:21-4:23 the cymball is crashing when its not hit 😂😂 whats this ? a bug? or a defect from DW? anyone notice?
Ots the combo of takimg advantage of the community leaders via ostracizing the trueist of players into bars and open jams and soul less corporate or beach bar gigs and we say six string guitars four and five string basses and five piece deumsets have disillusioned the masses into believing junk is quality in music and now its spread to garbage twenty name ome song three word mega hits
I was hoping to use the triggers AND acoustic sounds at the same time! I don’t want to just trigger drum sounds with my drums ya know 😂
Hard to know from the demo, but it sounds like these e-kit sounds suffer from the common fault of over-processed artificial sounding samples. Listening to it back to back with the real kit is very eye-opening, night and day difference. Maybe some of that can be turned off in software but it's a hard no from me based on sound.
The hardware looks amazing but I think e-drums mostly appeal to a lower price bracket than this will be available to. If Roland can add this wireless tech to more budget kits it will be a very welcome addition.
I'm going to armadillo guitars very soon to discuss this and I will see Eric because this horse shit is the type of garbage mentality that has corrupted the modern music industry into devolving
Very cool but there's just no way to drop $11,000 on that thing instead of a top top top of the line acoustic kit. Will be much more affordable hopefully in the coming years.
Just 1 question: What about of E-snare crosstick system/response, etc.?? Because the roland digital snare is the best.