Porsche Cayman vs MX-5 Miata | A $60,000 Premium? | 718 GTS 4.0 vs 981 S vs MX5 ND | Episode 36
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- Does the Cayman earn the $30k - $60K or does the MX-5 punch above its weight? Drive the Porsches and Miata back to back on a winding Mountain Backroad. Can the MX-5 keep up?
In our 36rd episode, we're driving Moyers Gap Road West in West Virginia.
Mazda MX-5 ND2 RF Miata Manual
Porsche 718 GTS 4.0 Manual
Porsche 981 Cayman S Manual
Porsche 981 Cayman Manual
See the drive from the drivers seat of each car in the line and compare the experience for yourself.
Check Our Sister Channel for Dedicated Onboard Videos of Moyers Gap Road from each car.
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Several have commented that they want to see longer reviews that show more of the road. Hoping that you will watch to the end to make the algorithm happy!
As a three time Miata owner since 1990, I’m a bit biased. I love the simple, reliable, efficient and cost effective product that Mazda brings to the table. I’ve driven and owned many more costly, more powerful and way more expensive vehicles over the years, but I always come back to the Miata.
Great cars for sure! Nothing is so fun around town and on a twisty side road. Definitely the economy option of this trio, but maybe not over the long run if depreciation is a factor?
@@trueview3127 a Cayman can depreciate by more than the total price of a Miata! Add in the delta for consumables, insurance, maintenance, etc. and Miatas win by a mlle financially. Having owned a 987 S and recently driven a friend's GTS 4.0 plus being on my 3rd Miata (and ND2), I can have every bit the same fun in the Miata and maybe more in the right conditions on a sunny day. Biggest difference is in comfort on long drives, daily use practicality, and the Porsche sound and steering feel. I'd love to have a GTS 4.0 (or even a 981 S/GTS) to complement my Miata.
To each their own favourite flavour. Owned STI, M3, S2000, 981 GTS, 997 Turbo, Type R and LC500 and Miata.
All special experiences. Wish I had unlimited space and $. Would’ve kept them all.
I’ve returned to the Cayman as my favourite. Gives me a special connection to the machine. And a platform I can trust on the backroads. We make a good team
@robsemeniuk2578 well said! 981?
La miata est intemporelle ❤ je l’aime et c'est la mienne. La Cayman je l’aime et c'est ma voiture de piste et elle restera aussi dans mon coeur
Man, I spent 35k on my 987.2 w/pdk. I cant think of a better car for that much money. It does everything, road trips, autocross, canyon blasts. Everything.
Nice find! How many miles on her when you bought it?
I paid $28K out the door from a dealer for a 987.2 Cayman S w/ PDK in Oct 2019 (Bose, fancy headlights, wheels and an exhaust), 72,000 miles.
Well done indeed gentleman ;)
tested the 981S, 718 GT4RS, and an ND2. I currently own an ND3. It's tough to beat such a great driving experience at this price
That’s a thorough search for a great car! Haven’t tried the RS - 9k redline must be spine tingling! Enjoy that ND3!
Having driven each one of these cars, it really comes down to how you want to use the cars. On a tight backroad its tough to beat a Miata, but if you're chasing faster cars . . . that changes things. The first $30,000 is the most important!
The slinky effect when chasing faster cars with higher limits is real, and potentially dangerous. A good lesson learned at around 4:30 into the video!
I bought my 2020 ND2 new. Added Ohlins 7K/4K spring rate, Progress sways front/rear along with Super Pro adjustable end links, One piece strut tower brace, Enki RPF1 wheels with RE-71-RS 205/50/16, and full exhaust Roadster Sport 4-2-1 header, matching high flow mid pipe, Roadster Sport Race axle back. Stainless steel brake lines, drilled and slotted rotors, Motul RPF600 fluid. Plus some aero bits. $28,000 at the time new in 2020, $15,000 in upgrades. The car is very competitive
Sounds like you built a very capable car! Thanks for the details!
What kind of power does it make now?
@@MaxvonWeber+2 hp…everything else raises the grip + handling ability
Last year I chose a 981 cayman for $40k w/ 50k miles. The best $40k I ever could have spent on a car. I did consider a hard top Miata. They’re fun but no where near as special. Every drive in the cayman is an event
We're about to drop the onboard from the 981 cayman 2.4 that was just ahead of the 718 GTS 4.0 in this video. Unfortunately the sound didn't record as well so we didn't include it in the main video. You'll see that link in the description soon and will try to return to this comment to link it here as well.
This channel is so unbelievably underrated.
Much appreciated! Spread the word. So glad you are here.
@@trueview3127 If you know any peasants with any Corvettes please get some in your lineup! Any years starting with C5 and newer would be amazing for your comparisons. Also if you guys could do a bit of voice comparo of the cars during the ride would be awesome.
It's just a shame the gears are so long on the Porsches
Check out our last video on this subject!
I paid $37k for a base 981 Cayman 4 years ago. It's my daily driver. Priceless! I abused the GTS 4.0 on the Porsche Experience recently... for me, it's wasn't $60k better. If you have the money, go for it!
That is a great price point for a 981! Perfect timing on that buy. You're getting the idea of this video - what is the value of the experience you want to have with the car vs. the cost of the car. Do those match?
As someone who is considering these three for a next car, this was a super interesting video! Thanks!
So glad you enjoyed it. Let us know what you pick!
The problem with underpowered cars like the miata (or any low 300hp or less car) is you have to over-drive them to keep up in these types of mixed car situations. People focus on the positives usually saying "I'd rather a slow car fast" , but when you're not fast even when, your trying your best to be, you end up slingshotting a lot and show signs of overdriving like missing exits due to speed, or losing sight, dropping in packs or holding up back of pack, that's just not fun. Perfect example of this shown in the video. That GTS could be at a controllable 70% all the time, get your fun in but be at a backroad limit that even 800hp cars need to adhere to, so you never have those over driving issues.
That is a really good point. We agree that there is a risk when pushing a lighter car beyond its limits on a canyon run, especially when there are faster cars around.
I’ve always found it more fun driving a slower car hard than driving a faster car slow, few will really have the ability to max out a Porsche
exercising proper traction management and driving techniques you should never be missing exits… you’re driving beyond your skill level.
@@trevor6814 doesn't make up for the frustration of being unable to keep up with your buddies on a cruise.
"just get better" sounds easy until your friends are both just as skilled and have faster cars...
I went from a nd2 rf club with bbs wheels to a cayman gts 4.0 the cgts4.0 obviously better in every way except how light that nd2 was throwing that car around was so fun.
The comparison between the ND2 RF and the GTS 4.0 is hard to describe, but I think the video does a nice job of explaining it! The thing the video doesn't capture is how the ND2 can be playful around town without attracting any attention. Its easy to get it a little bit sideways and to still be under the speed limits. Thanks for watching and commenting!
2016 981 GTS PDK with the X-73 Porsche race suspension upgrade its just Phenomenal. Sound, feel, cornering and nimbleness. I drive a 991.2 GT3RS now…. and still miss the 981 GTS! ( but they are hard to find with reasonable milage specially with the x-73 suspension )
Sounds like fantastic machines the both of them! Congrats on your journey and appreciate the comment!
I have a 718 and a ND2. Both are exceptional. The cars' driving profiles do overlap a bit on the venn diagram but driving them both will give you the full driving experience. End to end with a smile.
ND2 - fun at any speed. Sideways though and intersection and you look down - you're still a lot less than the speed limit with a smile on your face! 718 - More power, more occasion, more precision, and in need of the right stretch of road to get the full experience - and for the really full experience - a track.
Oui elles sont complentaires
None are a bad choice, get whatever you can. Live every day
That's good advice! We've got this one life - buy a sports car and enjoy it! Be safe out there.
amazing, you just coverd the same three cars I looked at! I guess its logical, maybe should have included the z4? The boxter S is where I came out, just grabbed a 2025 fully loaded S... couldnt be happier. 120K USD. Fantastic content, glad I found your videos. thanks!
We're really glad you found us too! Sounds like the Boxster S will be perfect for you. Nothing like feeling the hillsides whip past you with the top down. Stay safe out there!
Buy what you can afford and don't outdrive your car or your skills; but regardless of what that is, take advantage of these amazing roads and have fun and be careful. We just took a drive to Highlands NC and Asheville over the weekend on the curvy stuff in a Cayman style edition. Doesn't have the grunt of the GTS4.0 but has the same mid-engine layout. I've driven the Miata, and I would say the refinement, practicality, and add'l power of a base Cayman - even prior gens to save money if you need to - is worth it. But the Miata is a go kart - very lightweight - so probably feels a bit more fun.
Agree it is best to start where your skills are. How were the roads? Repairs coming along well?
@@trueview3127roads are nearly flawless. Had to avoid potholes closer to Asheville. BRP was closed for weather, and in some places likely closed for repairs.
@@trueview3127 BRP is closed going West from the Arboretum for a while for repairs.
Most under-appreciated channel in all of the automotive RUclips world.
We appreciate you! The car, the driver, and yes - the road! Most of RUclips is focused on the first two but we are slowly picking up speed thanks to you and all those who found us so far.
seriously
GTS 4.0 all the way, but I am biased. All three are great driver's cars and worth their price.
Given the recent history of our channel - I suspect yours will be a popular opinion. What did you think of the smooth transition from car to car during the drive?
@@trueview3127 The transitions were good. You guys make great videos so I won't tell you how to do them, but my personal preference would be to stay in each car for a longer time. I think it just gives a better feel for it, but again, you do good work and this is just my opinion.
Thanks for the feedback! Will be posting the dedicated onboard from each of the cars soon. Link will be in the description!
The simple answer is it depends on your paycheck and savings goals. I own an ND2, really like it, but I'd love to get back into a GT4 at some point and told my SO once our house is paid off I'd probably get another one. The Miata is the winner in terms of size and bang for the buck, but god the Cayman was my favorite car and has a much, much better high end.
The GT4 is a dream car for many! Glad you have a Miata to hold you over until then.
Awesome video! Many times it's not the car that matters, but rather the road. Having a 981 GTS in the garage, my opinion is obviously biased, but I've tasted an ND and a 718 spyder and they're all great instruments. For the money the ND is a wonderful car, and I've seen them keep up with cars that had more than twice the power. However I'd be interested to see how a hot FWD like the Civic Type R would keep up with you guys. But for my money, I'd pay it all for that flat 6 scream.
That’s the name of the game on this channel. All about the road! There might be a Golf R in the stable and perhaps it might find its way into future vids!
What an amazing video. Thank you so much. Here have my like and sub.
Glad you enjoyed it! We appreciate you! Welcome aboard
TrueView comes through again to provide some driving entertainment! I think the Cayman S is the sweet spot in the middle, but you can’t go wrong with any of them. I wonder how much of a step the ND3 Miata is over the ND2 in the video.
Well the 981 S is, for many, the clear winner in the sound department! As for the ND3 vs ND2 - may have to head to a show room and try the ND3 out to find out!
Definitely try the head-to-head . . . but my understanding is the driving dynamics are actually subtle and might not be something noticeable unless you're familiar with the cars and driving them back-to-back. I have a later '22 ND2 GT soft top with the KPC n' stuff. Mostly stock. It's on factory suspension but with a pro alignment to get close to the Fly'in Miata / Goodwin specs. And then has the Goodwin Superstreet single tip exhaust. Plenty of fun and I don't feel the need to take it any further than that and what *I* would consider a sweet spot for a backroads street car.
While I wish Mazda sales success each year with the Miata, it's hard to recommend buying a new ND3 vs. an ND2. There are improvements and refinements but are they worth new car money?
The "big" things are the little things: significantly improved infotainment / syncing with the phone (super slow on the ND2 and older), slightly improved steering, and the asymetirical LSD but . . . out side of pushing it at the track how noticeable is this for street driving? Probably not significant and . . . . is it worth used car $$ or new car $$$?
Anyhoo . . . thanks to TrueView for this comparo, it's awesome seeing all three of these cars in the vid with how they compare them. *chef's kiss*
Oh, and someone pointed out how the Miata struggled with speed and power a bit to keep up and they kind of "coerces" you to over drive the car to try and keep up. I can see that argument but end of the day, I kind of don't care. I'm off in my own little world enjoying the snot out of the Miata, happy as a clam. I'm also a member of a Maita club and when we go on club drives, well, all the cars are well matched. 😁
Nice cars, beautiful road. Think a modified miata for me. Had 3 na miatas. Currently drive a 19 mustang bullitt with magnaride. Added ford racing suspension m9602m to it. Real fun on the twisties. Just a bit heavy😂
Come out to ca and drive hwy 36 from Red bluff, to fortuna. 140 mi, about 1900 corners. Great fun
Sounds awesome - will add it to our map of To Do routes! Link on the channel page!
To answer the question- you get what you pay for. They’re all good cars. I’d personally go for the 718 S. It has the performance, comfort, and the right price point. Except in a drag race it will keep up with or out perform the 4.0. I have owned a Miata and it’s a fun car and I would even consider having another except for the fact that I own a 718 and I love it. Yes, it is worth $30,000 more. But the Miata is definitely worth what you pay for it, nothing close to it in that price range.
Thanks for sharing your experience with the cars and appreciate the insights.
Thank you for the video. Exactly what I wanted to see. I'm also looking at a weekend fun car and currently looking at AP2 S2000, ND2/3 Miata, 981 or 718 GTS 4.0 Boxster.
I already have turbocharged cars for daily so I really don't want turbocharger so that means I will need to stick with 981 (any trim, base/S/GTS all got 6 cylinders) or 718 GTS 4.0.
Both 981 GTS and 718 GTS 4.0 command quite a bit of premium even over 981 base/S and I'm not sure if that is worth it.
For me I think S2000, Miata or 981 base seem to fit the bill, 981 S if I can stretch it.
So glad you found the video and that it helped out! Let us know what you pick out! You have a fun journey ahead of you - although it can be tough to find a 718 GTS to test drive. Maybe phone a friend!
Stretch to the 981 S if possible, the gts 4.0 is good but not worth the premium over the 981. The 981 gts just had all the sports options of a 981S, power is near the same. Base 981 has too little torque
MX-5 is no option if you're over 185cm in lenght.. You cannot sit in it properly, especially with the roof closed.. The Porsche fits taller people a lot better..
Good data point for taller viewers! Thanks for commenting. 6'1 = 185cm
I chose the 981 Boxter S. The MX-5 just doesnt have the power. The howl of the Porsche flat 6 with the top down seals the deal. The balance of the mid-engine chasis makes the 911 guys jealous. The interior quality is top shelf. About the only rub with the Germans is the Porsche tax. Every single thing is more expensive and not by a little.
Why Boxster and not Cayman? Must be looking for the open top experience?
@@trueview3127 Exactly!
So I sold my 718 spyder and have now have a Golf R, gen 1 BRZ and a ND1 Miata. Wish we had roads like these in Florida! No wrong answer here, use case for me was city driving with speed limits…the 718 was just too much.
Sounds like you have a nice garage! Just picked up a Golf R as well!
@@trueview3127 nice. Enjoy it. Maybe you could present it on those great roads on your videos one day. I have a manual, and it’s easy to drive except the 1 to 2nd gear shifts
A manual 981.2 CyS is the correct cheapest back road drivers car. Thx for these road reviews!
Sounds like you found your car of choice? Great cars!
Thanks for cool videos. Depends on one’s budget. If you can afford it GTS 4.0 for sure. The comparison is a bit weird, M2, Z4 and maybe Lotus Emira would be more comparable.
Hadn’t seen many comparisons showing different classes of vehicle together - but yea the direct like for like competition is the cars you shared among others. However the question of how much car is needed to have the experience you want should also be asked. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Well done edit. How do you plan to do westward expansion? Buddies and I have explored a lot in Wa and have routes we share. I see you have a couple marked here already.
For now it will be trips West as life allows but eventually, we will be able to extend our trips for longer. Have thought about car swaps, or about sending the cars by truck for future trips as well. As for the WA options - definitely let us know what we missed - if you are willing - and we will add them to the map.
I would be more interested in this comparison if it was against the base Cayman models.
Thanks for commenting! Will post a 981 2.4 cayman video on our sister channel soon from this same road. Link will be in the description.
So what's the conclusion,🤔
Good question. The idea was to illustrate the experience in each vehicle and for each viewer to make their own call. In this road - it seemed like the 981S was best suited, but had it been with other similar performance cars, the MX5 wouldn’t have had to overdrive to keep up! Then it all comes back to the experience which is a personal choice. Thanks for commenting!
Hello, back again with more roads near Blacksburg VA. I've been making my own list for a while now, that started with VA-700 after watching your video on it. That has now fallen to fifth place, losing to, in order from first down; VA-637 / VA-653 Allegheny Spring Road / Shawsville Pike NE, VA-730 Eggleston Road, VA-624 Mount Tabor Road, and The Back of the Dragon gets a high placement due to being a standout road, but it's important for me to mention that roads LOSE points for being further from Blacksburg, as my list is more made for Virginia Tech students looking for a fun weekend road to take without losing too much time for school. I'll attach a link to the list at the bottom of the comment, but I just want to say a few words about one or two of the roads I suggested as they may not be entirely suitable for you guys.
VA-637 / VA-653 - This one is by far my favorite, being very twisty and dense, while running through deep gorges just south of the Appalachian ridge lines. There are one or two sections to be careful of poor pavement, and dotted housing along it, but really I just wish it was longer.
VA-730 - It flows really nicely, and has excellent pavement, but suffers due to being a mostly residential road with lots of housing along it. I'll say more later, but it's a drawback of being limited to about an hour radius of VT.
VA-624 - This one has a good section or two, but is for the most part just high up on the list for having good pavement and not being far from VT.
A lot of could-be good roads lose points majorly due to being far away, a simple drawback of being a student at VT, but another big issue I have so far is that so many of the roads get higher "Road Surface" scores than they really deserve because I have to give the scores within scale of what's in the area, and this area suffers from somewhat good to in some areas downright impossible to drive on. The other issue is that many roads run at the bottoms of the valleys within the ridge lines, and don't have much elevation change or true twisties, but get elevated for having long sweeping corners and high speed opportunities.
All in all, definitely give VA-637 / VA-653 a shot, it's got the most gorgeous view I've seen on a road yet, and there's plenty of twisties.
Let me know if the link doesn't work or something. I can change it to just be a copy of the sheet as it is now.
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This is fantastic stuff! Thank you for all the detailed suggestions, which we'll try to add to our map of suggested routes, including some of your commentary as appropriate. Many thanks!
ND Miata is an outstanding drivers car. Such a willing engine and featherweight chassis. The body roll is crazy out of the box, but in a way endearing. I would love to drive one with stiffer sway bars front and rear.
There is definitely a rich after market for all the suspension bits you could image for the Miata. The roll is fun to manage though. The Miata will teach you what "lift off" oversteer is really quick if you aren't careful!
I actually . . . don't notice "that" significant of body roll on my ND2. But it's the '22 model year when they came out with the KPC which is supposed to tame body roll by braking the inside rear wheel very slightly. Either it's working or I'm having too much fun to pay attention to the body roll. One thing I do appreciate is the factory tuning really soaks up bumps, undulations, and road imperfections. I've think it's very well tuned for "real world" road conditions.
Heel and toeing in hiking boots is crazy work
Have since picked up some driving shoes - but the hikers work great - with the side benefit of being good for checking out the mountain backroad turn outs
I have an Integra Type S daily, and will add a roadster to my stable at some point in my life. Wouldn't even mind a ZF auto Z4, as a top-down GT cruiser, so it doesn't have to be a second manual in the stable. The Handschalter 6MT Z4 is rare (and expensive), and will be really tough to find used in the future.
Totally agree - finding a manual Z4 will only get harder as time goes by!
I have a base 981 with manual with 32k which is hard to beat. But yes the GTS is worth any premium over a miata
Will be posting the onboard from the 981 base that’s just ahead of the GTS in the video shortly. Link will be in the description!
Personally I’ll purchase an ND2 club. Although it’s more a reflection on my finances than a preference. The GR86 is a great alternative but I think risk of oil starvation would deter me from pushing it especially on any kind half-aggressive tire. Both of these options, although front engined, are the most affordable option to get a real drivers car.
The ND2 is a great choice. The car in this video is just that actually. What’s this about oil starvation on the Toyota?
@ apartment from the rtv issues that have clogged the oil return line leading to oil pump failure (now fixed I believe), the FA24’s oil pressure can and will drop while pulling sustained g’s in right hand turns, leading to engine failure. I would absolutely buy one if not for this issue. I would never be comfortable pushing the car with an engine rebuild as a likely consequence.
Something to look into if considering that option for sure! Thanks for the info!
First time seeing this channel. Well done. Forgive me. I've been under driving a Supra for the last 3 years. Keeping miles low. I'm done with that. I'm going to find some of these roads you guys are showing!
Glad you found us! You'll have to get your car out there soon!
I say get a 15k Miata or 30k cayman and make it your own. Or maybe get both.
Great idea! If you can deal with an older vehicle and have the necessary skills - go for it!
That looks like the old screen. I believe that's an nd2 not an nd3.
Correct, the car in the video is a ND2! Good eye. Thanks for watching and commenting!
The mx-5 is seriously underpriced. If they retailed starting at 45k, people would still buy them. And at that rate, 45k to a 60k boxster, well that's a much easier comparison.
For me, I needed a new daily car with extremely good gas mileage, something that's reliable and cheap to maintain. I never drive with more than 1 passenger or with a lot of things, and I love canyon and ocean-side driving. Well, it was a pretty easy decision. I get 46 mpg cruising top-down btw, it feels like cheating.
Some of the top trim ND3 cars are pushing upward in price so you will get your wish soon! 46 mpg? Damn - hyper mile man.
The MX5 is an above average car but nothing really special except for it looks. The Porsche's are in a different class. I guess it depends what you are looking for.
Thanks for commenting! The idea of the video is to show viewers what they could experience with each car if they plan to drive backroads. For some, that isn’t what they are going for, but that is what our channel is all about! Agreed that the cars are in different classes, but do the cost deltas offset the differences?
@trueview3127 well that depends on what you are shopping for.
Porsche Cayman = close to GT4. If you plan on track days this is the way to go.
If you plan to daily it but nothing really track oriëntated, the MX5
Next you should do 5k cars vs 10k vs 30k!
What cars would you recommend? 500 Abarth, older 335, s2000?
@@trueview3127 500 Abarth would be interesting
@trueview3127 could do na/nb vs nc vs nd
@@trueview3127 You could still have a Miata in the mix! 🤣
I have a 7k car: 2007 Miata NC, 1.8L 126HP, 82000 km on board when I purchased it last year. So much fun for so little $
S2000 is the sweet spot.
9k rpm - glorious at the top end. Have to keep it on a boil!
You have cheap porsches. In my country porsches are very expensive even used. Im stick with my humble mx5 RF 1.5 and i like it.
Thanks for the commenting and Nice choice! Where do you live where the Porsche’s are so expensive?
@@trueview3127 Portugal is not a great country to buy cars, but we have nice roads. I bought my car new in 2017, 8 years of pleasure driving it. 98Ron gas + ecu remap and is doing 146 HP, for me is enough for mountain roads.
Thanks for that. Enjoy the mountain roads with every one of those 146 hp! Cheers 🥂
En France acheter des porsche relève de la pure folie avec un malus de 70000€ ! Vaut mieux se tourner vers de l’occasion
The gearing on 718 is just too long, I think even 981 has long gearing. I would probably choose 981 boxster for back roads and daily and keep my BRZ for track.
Thanks for watching and commenting! Check out our last video if interested - ruclips.net/video/S7UK2-ZHtLA/видео.html
@trueview3127 yes, I did watch that one last week. It's my brain that can't comprehend driving in 1st, even if it's fine.
@@ruturaj47 Totally get it!
For about $10k more ($40ish range) probably could have grabbed a used 718 Boxster S. Having a mid engined car really makes taking turns fast much easier
That would make a great comparison for a future video! Thanks for watching and commenting - appreciate you. The mid engine is excellent for rotation
981 GTS with some mods is the BEST CAR ON THIS PLANET
Especially in manual with guards red and beige leather seats
Sounds like love to me!
Only thing that beats it is a 458 italia
In terms of fun at any price range no car on sale brand new currently can beat the miata on a twisty road. The miata is also mid engines, the entire engine sits behind the front axle, its actually more mid engined then alot of rear mid engine car with huge engines that go over the rear axle. Its almost common sense tho, a car that much bigger with over 800lb more 99% of the time will not be as fun, why do u think they spend millions in parts and research to make cars lighter? The cayman gts 4.0 and gt4 is a different experience tho, it cant ever replace the miata but it can be had along side the miata as a different experience, because of the engine and power mostly. The cayman would be alot more fun with less sticky narrower tires, so u can actually drive the car on road fully. Most modern supercars are over tired and are significantly less fun to drive on road because of it.
Sounds like some miata cope, it's a good car for the money. It is however in a different league to the others.
@guser7137 sounds like a ego gatekeeping cope. Jason cammissa also called it the best, throttle house guys also, the creator of koenigsegg said it in a top gear podcast alongside the mclaren f1 and t50 crestor gordan murray who sell hypercars over 1 million dollars when asked they said miata is most fun. Chris harris aswell in a top gear episode. Randy pobst race car driver world record holder also says that, journalists who can afford million dollar cars n uave driven anything out there choose the miata. So never speak about a car again ur not into cars u have 0 driving skill clearly, ur into feeding ur ego n cars just happen to be a way for u too showoff n stroke ur ego. I have racing experience and supercars n the miata is the most fun alongside air cooled 70s 911. Keep coping, trying to compensate.
@@Sideways_Singh You've just demonstrated my point. I have no ego about cars, drive what you can afford and enjoy. So you, a nobody on internet thinks you can tell me never to speak? If we were face to face, you'd be receiving a hard smack in the chops. The fact you are so upset about your beloved vehicle is the epitome of cope. None of those people chose the Miata, they said basically the same thing I did. It's good for the money (new car money).
The Miata and GTS 4.0 are quite differentiated and agree the MX5 is best with less tire. Helps to get that rear end moving!
Allow me to drive the miata infront of these geriatrics and see if they can keep up. Lol
We’ll have to get you on the next trip! Let’s see if the Miata can keep up. What mods do you have?
@ Just ohlins coilover, sway and strutbars. Engine stock.
Sadly you have no chance uphill then but on level ground with a twisty road - maybe could hang with the P cars?
@@trueview3127 I just need to gap them on downhill and level roads then.
I used the 4x multiplier and went with a 718 spyder. Freakin love it! Had a 981 2.7 6spd x73 sport chrono, traded in for 21 carrera 4s cabriolet with pdk 🫤 too boring, and traded to get back into a boxster, and wife's 25 is being built this month.
Sounds like you two will have fun on your next road trip! If she can keep up! Thanks for watching and commenting.
37k usd
981 2.7 pdk
One owner
Had 60k miles
Just passed 80 thousand
Recently completed interior🤌
It’s been a dream
Respect The Drive
GoodJobBob🤙
Sounds like a good option! Where is it listed?
In the garage
Acquired last year
I’m the second owner 🤙
Wonderful decision to join the club
From the Deep South, quite admirable scenic drives. Thank you team true view. Tremendously relaxing content.
For reference there are as currently listed in my hometown
718 gts 4.0 pdk 111k $
2023 Miata 31k $
Profound difference
Nice pick up! Enjoy it!