Like how booktube is 20% tier list videos? So imma be cutting down on these. Recorded it a while ago and don’t want to do any more. Just to many of them.
You need to di one for Cosmere characters though! There are so many great ones and I would love to hear your thoughts (I love Vivenna, her arc is one of my favourits). Edit I also hate when the titel of the first book just becomes the series titel, which is why I'm not onboard with the rebranding of The Final Empier as Mistborn
Cut it down but before that, make one on The First Law Characters. I am very curious how you'll rank Glokta, Logen and Jezal. All are strong characters but who is the strongest to you.
@Dusty Bee's tbh I would put lord of the rings in the bad category. What does the name tell you, it's about someone who is a lord and about a ring? It's probably set in medieval times considering it mentions a lord. If you have 0 other knowledge of the title it sounds like a small intimate story focused on one person, since he's a lord maybe the story has to do with his life as a lord, leading an estate or supervising a small town in a feudal setting. There is nothing to suggest fantasy, or the epic nature of the world/tale. No hints at magic or mystery. It only becomes a epic and masterful name because of a epic and masterful story. On its own with no other reference its a pretty dismal title imo.
The titles of the individual books are also slowly forming a palindrome which is relevant with in-book culture. The Way of Kings, The Words of Radiance, Oathbringer, Rhythm of War WoK WoR O RoW I assume he'll start over after the fifth book which should be the halfway point for the series.
@@aubreyjane6659 well it's possible to just mirror acronyms again in 2nd half of Stormlight archive. It would be a bit restricting in terms of naming but would create just the kind of symmetry.
I like Book of the Fallen better. It gives you the feeling that there aren't gonna be happy endings to these books. Game of the Gods sounds very generic.
At the same time, we’re all grateful that the tv series isn’t called ‘A Song of Ice and Fire’, because then we can truly separate the two in our heads. It helps me see them as too different things and not get upset about the show.
A Song of Ice and Fire was way to big if a mouthful for a tv show, and kinda vague in its description of the shows content. Imo it made sense to call the first season Game of Thrones, as that's a great description of what the whole series is about and rolls off the tongue easily. Then after the first season, changing the title would have been unnecessarily confusing
@@reubenk3857 Ageed. GoT rolls off the tongue better and it still encapsulates major themes of the source material, but considering that's what D and D wanted to focus on over what's in '8th grade book reports', I'm also glad the show has a different name than the books.
The name A Song of Ice and Fire is too large and verbose to work well as a TV title. I think D&D were right to choose Game of Thrones as the title instead.
I think a title having words like: trilogy, chronicles, book, and even archive brings it down a lot. I don't want to be reminded that the story is just a book. That's why I think ASOIAF is so good. Replacing those words with song is beautiful.
Stormlight Archive works well imo because "Archive" doesn't refer to the books that Brandon has written but rather to the in-world books that they are named after. The Way of Kings, Words of Radiance, Oathbringer, and Rhythm of War are all in-world books that people have written and read on Roshar.
I completely disagree, I feel the exact opposite. The Dresden Files and The Stormlight Archive are my two favorites on this list, and I love them precisely because they have files and archive in the name. Not sure why, but it elevates the title so much for me.
"A _____ of _____ and _____" Has just become such an overused book/series title format. It doesn't appear a lot in adult fantasy but YA just loves it. Because of that, ASOIAF just doesn't hit for me like it used to.
Especially when they are all the same elements or materials recycled constantly Ice, Fire, Storm, Stars, Thorn, Bone, Smoke, Mist, Darkness, Blood, Throne, Crown, Fury, etc. A Throne of Stars and Mist A Storm of Fire and Fury A Fury of Bones and Stars A Crown of Smoke and Storm
@@alterego9863 Can't forget A Court of Thrones and Roses or A Curse so Dark and Lonely. It's just become a format to toss words that sound cool and edgy in.
Robin Hobb's full series is called The Realm of the Elderlings, which is a lot better imo! Hope you read beyond the first trilogy because it gets more epic as it goes on.
Isa Prospero I think the actual book titles in Realm of the Elderlings are pretty much as generic as you can get and they’re really bad. However, I think the individual series names and the overarching series name are fantastic
@@coleton7048 sadly true, even though I personally cannot see myself ever rereading those books, the entire time I was just jumping in my seat to get back to Fitz
As someone who has only watched game of thrones and read his dark materials and doesn't know anything about any of these fantasy titles. So I thought I could actually be the perfect man to answer which of these titles are the ones that works best and give you my take: 1) A song of ice and fire (yes it's one of the only ones i know about but it's easily the best one because it's a poetic title that doesn't feel too geeky, it's a very welcoming title to new readers of fantasy) 2) The wheel of time (it's a very easy title that could offer meaning to some, is it sci fi or fantasy, it feels like lost, but it's avery intriging title without feeling too geeky.) 3) His dark materials (again a title that is simple and feels very personal with the his (not too nerdy for newcomers) but we are starting to get a lot of consonants 4) Forgotten realms (not too much to say, it's enticing and easy with the tongue) 5) mostly tie in that order between the stormlight archives and the kingkiller chronicles (they both have their positives but both of them have their flaws as they don't roll off the tongue as well with too many consonants), they titles might feel too nerdy for new to the medium while wheel of time and a song of ice and fire feel much more simple and poetic, but these titles do garner interest compared tot he others. As for the foundation trilogy and shades of magic series, i don't love it to be honest. Never heard of them but they don't feel the most welcoming ones like the five others. The second one is too dungeon and dragons with magic in the title. what do you think of my list?
@@fistinlek100 Yeah. I just don't get the difference in his mind. Like, why are they basically the same, but on opposite sides of the spectrum? If anything, I found the term "Farseer" to be more captivating and appealing than "Foundation".
I think it's probably because he hasn't read them so it meant nothing to him, what bothered me a little was that he didn't rate "Realm of the Elderlings" u.u
I disagree strongly with your treatment of Narnia. It’s not generic, it was one of the first mainstream fantasy series and it was unique for its time. It set the precedent for a lot of generic “Chronicles of _____” series. That type of title only became generic because Narnia set the trend.
@@gegalloneword1481 I know for a fact this is false. I try to make the distinction since the show ended up sucking (and long before season 8), but I know book vets that started ASOIF back in the 90s that often just call it GoT. So let's drop the pretentiousness for everyone's sake.
I absolutely agree that Farseer Trilogy is a pretty weak name. But I think the larger, over-arching name for the series "The Realm of the Elderlings" is definitely very good.
TBH, while it's still not a great title, once you've read a book in the series and realize that Farseer is the name of the Royal family line, "Farseer Trilogy" doesn't sound that weak or generic. But I agree, Realm of Elderlings is a much better title.
@@anobjectiveninja yeah I've read the series. I think it's a title that's relevant to the series, I agree. But I dont think it's any good as a series title in and of itself
Daniel: They should’ve named the tv show Leviathan Wakes. That would’ve really driven interest in the show. Just like with Game of Thrones, it just works really well. Also Daniel: I hate it when the name of the first book is the series title. Just. Mm. I. Mm.
I know I’m super late to the party, but a best opening lines video even if it’s not a tier list could be really good. There’s so many iconic opening lines like mistborn, bark tower, Dresden files but specifically book 6, etc.
I think "Shades of magic" seems generic as all get out. I havent read the books but maybe thats a good thing to judge the series title. I think Malazan book of the fallen is a little boring too, I prefer Mistborn.
@@Mona-kg6hy If I have to be honest though, I think 50 shades of grey is a pretty good title. Now, based off that title, I wouldn't be expecting twilight fan-fic erotica, but that's another story
Mistborn is the weakest of them all. Book of the Fallen isn't as enticing as say His Dark Materials and The Prince of Nothing but it gives you an idea of the theme of the series (plus it becomes way more melancholic once you've finished the series).
I think ASOIAF is brilliant because the title seems to only refer to magical elements (others and dragons etc.), but since it is probably inspired by the Robert Frost poem it also refers to hate and desire, which are the driving emotions of the characters in the story.
Not related to the video but I've just finished the Book of the Ancestor trilogy. I've started it after your review of Red Sister and I'm sooo glad that I read it. It's definitely in my top 10 fantasy series of all Time. So yeah, keep up the good work man 🔥
Samuel Schönenberger I mean like overall characters from an entire series. So comparing the growth of these characters, the journey they took, how they changed over the course of the series and pure enjoyment reading them. Also, which characters have stuck with him long after the series. Body found floating by the docks...
I would put Malazan book of the fallen way higher. For some reason it just feels like the most epic title ever and as such it reflects the series itself perfectly.
Daniel Greene Sorry, I didn’t mean to come down on you like that. I agree with you on the name being generic, I just thought the connection was funny 😆
So since the Farseer trilogy is the first series in the overarching Realm of the Elderlings, I'm kind of curious about where RotE would go for your tier rankings! I feel like that title is better than most of the individual series titles within RotE, haha.
Yeah, a lot of the trilogy names and individual book names sound kinda generic/abstract, farseer, liveship trader, tawny man. (Fitz and the Fool trilogy sounds pretty dope though)
@@jossecoupe446 Fitz and the Fool is definitely one of the better ones! Rain Wild Chronicles isn't bad either, though it might only be if you have knowledge of the series?
@@coleton7048 It's up there for me too! I think it's definitely the one that has the most appeal for those who don't know the lore around the world, since I imagine it leaves them wondering what a liveship is.
Have to disagree with you on Kingkiller Chronicles and Wheel of Time. Kingkiller, as a name, can only be good at best. Whereas Wheel of Time is brilliant, it hints at so much.
Daniel I'd love to see stormlight reviews since it's been a while since you did them, and you don't talk a whole lot about the series these days. Especially with RoW on the horizon, this would be great for the fans (which there are a ton of; its shaping up to be one of the biggest fantasy series ever), and honestly some of your older reviews havent aged well.
Completely with you on the 'first book is the name of the series' pet peeve. The Hunger Games is always the one i think of for that. Gets under my skin
Me, reading GotM for the first time back in 2015: "The Malazan book of the Fallen is such a bad series name, its a completely unnecessary mouthful" Me, having read the final line in TCG: "REMEMBER!"
It's good to see how others think about series titles - unfortunately this is the first time I actually totally disagree with you, but that's the fun part of watching somebody on the internet. Have a great day, Daniel, and stay safe! :)
Daniel Greene, I would love for you to do a Dragons tier list. I mentioned the idea on another one of your videos, but it wasn't a tier list so maybe no one noticed it. I think that since you like Dragons, and they're ultimate fantasy creature, you should do a tier list dedicated to the best dragons across fantasy.
i think, moreso than tierlists, it would be interesting to see you try to deconstruct what makes a good title and what doesnt and discussing that. id love to watch that
Fantasy Groups and Organisations Tier List! Might need to separate into two one for groups that readers/protagonists are directly involved in and one where they only see it from the outside. some ideas; The fellowship, the black guard, Saga, the order of the Phoenix, Knights Radiant
I agree with the Shades of Magic ranking. Also the first book in that series, "A darker shade of magic", has one of the best book titles IMHO. The books themselves ain't brilliant but the titles definitely are.
Daniel, what did you think of the theory that the the titular First Law refers to Bayaz’s first law and not Bethod’s? “Yes, Ferro. Power makes all things right. That is my first law, and my last. That is the only law that I acknowledge.”
I might be slightly biased, but His Dark Materials ranks really high for me as a series name as well. That was one of the things that drew me to the series when I first picked it up. Also agree with Stormlight Archive, Broken Earth and Wheel of Time's placement. Only few I would disagree with for placement is Shades of Magic and Foundation Trilogy. I'd rank them definitely above average but not at brilliant.
Have you read the Riyria Chronicles?? People say the relationship in Lies of Locke Lamora is the best ever, but I think that relationship in Riyria is so much better. Riyria Chronicles and Revelations are some of my favorite books!
The Wheel of Time is the best title for me, I haven't read it but I remember the first time I heard its name I was extremely intrigued, and it's still the case, I keep wondering why the author chose this title and how he explores this theme.
The titular wheel of time does play a role in the story but it's not AS relevant as you would expect it to be. It's kind of like calling Harry Potter "The Cloak of Invisibility" or Avatar "Seven Chakras."
If you want to do another WOT tier list, I would love to see you rank specific scenes. Some specific ones you should include are. . . . . . the Eye of the World, Falme, the taking of the Stone, Moiraine vs Lanfear, Dumai's Wells, Bowl of the Winds, the cleansing, Egwene vs Elaida, Verrin's scene, Seanchan attack, Rand on Dragonmount, the trial, the forging of Mah'alleineir, and the last battle.
A favourite relationships/romances list 😌 Maybe not just romances but also friendships? Relationships between characters are so important to me, so I’d be interested in what’d make that S tier
Forgotten Realms is a D&D campaign setting not a series title. there are many different series within the Forgotten Realms. correct me if I'm wrong but I think the series title you're going for is, The Legend of Drizzt series, or just maybe The Icewind Dale Trilogy or The Dark Elf Trilogy since you only just mentioned The Farseer Trilogy within the Realm of the Elderlings
I reckon Malazan Book of the Fallen might have made your brilliant list, if you had read the whole series. The significance of the name only really comes in to play towards the end. Either ways, awesome list. Keep it up.
Great to hear you have started the Codex Alera Series. I would say, Book 1 really gets going after about 2/3 of the way through. From there, the series is great. The end of the series was a little lackluster, but it was fine.
You may not have read or are a fan of David Eddings, but his kind of big, big series The Belgariad and The Mallorean I think have great titles. They kind of evoke Homer's Odyssey or The Illiad. It gives the series a very classical sounding name.
I was constantly thinking about several series names while watching this. 1 A chorus of dragons (sounds amazing, but I don't necessarily think it reflects the story as well as it could. I'm still wondering what the word chorus does in the series name and I've read the two released books). 2 The Green Bone Saga. This is just simply an amazing series title and the cohesion in the titles works amazingly with the series title as well. 3 Children of the Earth. Such an amazing series name for a prehistorical fantasy series :).
This is off topic, but I have a request for a book review. Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian. Its considered his best work. It's based on a true story. But I can't help but to find the book steeped in fantastical elements. Just by the way it's written. And the character Judge, is probably one of the most enigmatic villains in literature. Should give it a try. On topic: Gentleman Bastards is my favorite fantasy title.
I think I agree with your Brilliant tier, more or less, but hardly a single book below it lol. I feel like you put a few titles in "Good" that seemed exactly the same as some in "Generic" to me.
I'm almost as big a fan of Codex as I am Dresden... I'm glad you've started it, and I agree on average. And really looking forward to your take on the series
Curious about why you included Foundation? Don’t get me wrong... always happy to see some Foundation, and I agree with the placement. But it stands out as the one very much non-fantasy series here.
I realize I'm late to the party but the Forgotten Realms is a setting from D&D. Lots of stories and series are set in it - All of the Drizzt books, Elminster, The Cleric Quintet, War of the Spider Queen & Lady Penitent, Baldur's Gate, among MANY others. It isn't a series title.
Also, Farseer, with the context of the books, should be either at the top of average or at the bottom of good. The books are some of the best out there, but the trilogy names are a little weaker but not bad.
How am I only just noticing the Rioter tattoo...? That’s awesome! I’m planning on getting a Slider tat in the same place And Stormlight Archive is two words. Stormlight being one word, not two, so fight me!
Farseer trilogy makes a lot more sense after reading the books and knowing what the reference is, that being said the series is not a trilogy (there are nine books in the main entries) and the entire series name is "Realm of the Elderlings" which is not very inventive either way but at least way better then "The Farseer Trilogy". I'd be interested in if your opinion of the name changes after reading the series. Personally I think it's a average title name but having read the entire series and knowing the reference I might be biased on that one.
Can't wait to hear your thoughts on both the Iron Druids and Farseer trilogy. Read the iron druids when I finished Desden Files, loved them. Read Farseer Trilogy was amazing but the last trilogy I could just not read Robin Hobb anymore, all the self pity of the character were just getting on my nerve... Finished it and I am glad I did, but I would never reread more than the first trilogy. keep safe
i liked your energy in this video, disapointed you didn't rank the tortal series(17-18+ books) on this list, or the first quartet from the tortal series song of the lioness
A lot of people mentioned it already, but the Farseer Trilogy is only one of three trilogies inside The Realm of the Elderlings, plus there is a series of shorter stories/novels called The Rain Wild Chronicles. The Liveship Traders Trilogy and the Tawny Man Trilogy have better names, in my opinion.
Like how booktube is 20% tier list videos? So imma be cutting down on these. Recorded it a while ago and don’t want to do any more. Just to many of them.
You need to di one for Cosmere characters though! There are so many great ones and I would love to hear your thoughts (I love Vivenna, her arc is one of my favourits).
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I also hate when the titel of the first book just becomes the series titel, which is why I'm not onboard with the rebranding of The Final Empier as Mistborn
Save it for Discworld, Green Goblin.
Cut it down but before that, make one on The First Law Characters. I am very curious how you'll rank Glokta, Logen and Jezal. All are strong characters but who is the strongest to you.
Yeah, I'm with you that there's a bit too much of these, but this one you had me in stitches for all of it. Your mood was amazingly funny. Thanks :)
@Dusty Bee's tbh I would put lord of the rings in the bad category. What does the name tell you, it's about someone who is a lord and about a ring? It's probably set in medieval times considering it mentions a lord. If you have 0 other knowledge of the title it sounds like a small intimate story focused on one person, since he's a lord maybe the story has to do with his life as a lord, leading an estate or supervising a small town in a feudal setting. There is nothing to suggest fantasy, or the epic nature of the world/tale. No hints at magic or mystery.
It only becomes a epic and masterful name because of a epic and masterful story. On its own with no other reference its a pretty dismal title imo.
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I also like how every book in Stormlight is titled like some other in-world book, which really works with the "Archive" part
The titles of the individual books are also slowly forming a palindrome which is relevant with in-book culture.
The Way of Kings, The Words of Radiance, Oathbringer, Rhythm of War
WoK WoR O RoW
I assume he'll start over after the fifth book which should be the halfway point for the series.
@@aubreyjane6659 well it's possible to just mirror acronyms again in 2nd half of Stormlight archive. It would be a bit restricting in terms of naming but would create just the kind of symmetry.
Aubrey Jane wow first time noticing that!!
So the next book will be KoW I guess.
That’s just awesome
@@nvwest And Brandon said he still doesn't know exactly how he'll handle the "The" in TWOK
Whether SA5 will be (T)KOW or KOWT
@@aubreyjane6659 if im not mistaken, the tentative tittle of SA5 is Stones Unhallowed
Daniel still be wondering if they're really born in mist
In german "malazan: book of the fallen" is called "Das Spiel der Götter" which means "The game of the gods" and I think that's a really cool title
That title also fits very well into the series as well.
Nice!! Ooh that's similar to a game of thrones but better
I like Book of the Fallen better. It gives you the feeling that there aren't gonna be happy endings to these books.
Game of the Gods sounds very generic.
@@t.hussain921 there aren't? That's bad, I like happy endings
yeah its cool
Gentleman Bastards is one of my favorite titles! It made me want to instantly read the series
Yes, and the lies of locke lamora is an awesome title imo
Daniel: A Song of Ice and Fire is brilliant title and I dislike when series are named after first book
HBO: So....
At the same time, we’re all grateful that the tv series isn’t called ‘A Song of Ice and Fire’, because then we can truly separate the two in our heads. It helps me see them as too different things and not get upset about the show.
A Song of Ice and Fire was way to big if a mouthful for a tv show, and kinda vague in its description of the shows content. Imo it made sense to call the first season Game of Thrones, as that's a great description of what the whole series is about and rolls off the tongue easily. Then after the first season, changing the title would have been unnecessarily confusing
@@peteraitken3818 Very true! In hindsight I'm very glad the two are easily separable! 😅
@@reubenk3857 Ageed. GoT rolls off the tongue better and it still encapsulates major themes of the source material, but considering that's what D and D wanted to focus on over what's in '8th grade book reports', I'm also glad the show has a different name than the books.
The name A Song of Ice and Fire is too large and verbose to work well as a TV title. I think D&D were right to choose Game of Thrones as the title instead.
I think a title having words like: trilogy, chronicles, book, and even archive brings it down a lot. I don't want to be reminded that the story is just a book. That's why I think ASOIAF is so good. Replacing those words with song is beautiful.
Yeah, like “Foundation Trilogy” is the most generic thing I’ve ever heard in my life.
I think that the Stormlight Archive still works really well though, and it is one of my favorite titles.
@@julienmason2769 Yeah Stormlight Archive is definitely still one of the better ones! I personally really like the First Law trilogy still.
Stormlight Archive works well imo because "Archive" doesn't refer to the books that Brandon has written but rather to the in-world books that they are named after. The Way of Kings, Words of Radiance, Oathbringer, and Rhythm of War are all in-world books that people have written and read on Roshar.
I completely disagree, I feel the exact opposite. The Dresden Files and The Stormlight Archive are my two favorites on this list, and I love them precisely because they have files and archive in the name. Not sure why, but it elevates the title so much for me.
"A _____ of _____ and _____" Has just become such an overused book/series title format. It doesn't appear a lot in adult fantasy but YA just loves it. Because of that, ASOIAF just doesn't hit for me like it used to.
Especially when they are all the same elements or materials recycled constantly
Ice, Fire, Storm, Stars, Thorn, Bone, Smoke, Mist, Darkness, Blood, Throne, Crown, Fury, etc.
A Throne of Stars and Mist
A Storm of Fire and Fury
A Fury of Bones and Stars
A Crown of Smoke and Storm
@@alterego9863 Can't forget A Court of Thrones and Roses or A Curse so Dark and Lonely. It's just become a format to toss words that sound cool and edgy in.
Péter Simon You could literally tell me any of those titles are actual books and I would believe you
Sarah J Maas has ruined it a bit for me too but ASOIAF did start in the 90s long before this trend
A Bowl of Chicken and Rice.
Foundation Trilogy sounds like a textbook
Robin Hobb's full series is called The Realm of the Elderlings, which is a lot better imo! Hope you read beyond the first trilogy because it gets more epic as it goes on.
Isa Prospero I think the actual book titles in Realm of the Elderlings are pretty much as generic as you can get and they’re really bad. However, I think the individual series names and the overarching series name are fantastic
Best books I've read.
@@disorientedkiwi7984 Agreed! Liveship Traders is one of my favorites.
Daniel should probably start with Liveship Traders since it's more up his alley and it's obvious he won't like Farseer based on what he tends to like.
@@coleton7048 sadly true, even though I personally cannot see myself ever rereading those books, the entire time I was just jumping in my seat to get back to Fitz
Epicality.
As an English teacher... I’ll allow it.
As someone who has only watched game of thrones and read his dark materials and doesn't know anything about any of these fantasy titles. So I thought I could actually be the perfect man to answer which of these titles are the ones that works best and give you my take:
1) A song of ice and fire (yes it's one of the only ones i know about but it's easily the best one because it's a poetic title that doesn't feel too geeky, it's a very welcoming title to new readers of fantasy)
2) The wheel of time (it's a very easy title that could offer meaning to some, is it sci fi or fantasy, it feels like lost, but it's avery intriging title without feeling too geeky.)
3) His dark materials (again a title that is simple and feels very personal with the his (not too nerdy for newcomers) but we are starting to get a lot of consonants
4) Forgotten realms (not too much to say, it's enticing and easy with the tongue)
5) mostly tie in that order between the stormlight archives and the kingkiller chronicles (they both have their positives but both of them have their flaws as they don't roll off the tongue as well with too many consonants), they titles might feel too nerdy for new to the medium while wheel of time and a song of ice and fire feel much more simple and poetic, but these titles do garner interest compared tot he others.
As for the foundation trilogy and shades of magic series, i don't love it to be honest. Never heard of them but they don't feel the most welcoming ones like the five others. The second one is too dungeon and dragons with magic in the title.
what do you think of my list?
The one thing I don't understand is how you put the "Farseer Trilogy" in bad, but the "Foundation Trilogy" in brilliant! 🤣
Personally would have put them both somewhere in the average to good bracket
@@fistinlek100 Yeah. I just don't get the difference in his mind. Like, why are they basically the same, but on opposite sides of the spectrum? If anything, I found the term "Farseer" to be more captivating and appealing than "Foundation".
I think it's probably because he hasn't read them so it meant nothing to him, what bothered me a little was that he didn't rate "Realm of the Elderlings" u.u
Foundation implies something b r o a d in scope, something very very deep and involved, complex.
@@Jrdn357 i think it might be bcs The foundation became the foundation for every sci-fi reader.
I disagree strongly with your treatment of Narnia. It’s not generic, it was one of the first mainstream fantasy series and it was unique for its time. It set the precedent for a lot of generic “Chronicles of _____” series. That type of title only became generic because Narnia set the trend.
I agree. That title has a way more interesting feel than a lot of the other ones
Daniel tends to endlessly shit on Narnia and I don’t get why
"Don't make the first book the title of the series" -guy who consistently calls A Song of Ice and Fire 'the Game of Thrones series'
In his defense, ASOIF is generally called GoT thanks to the show.
@@osoisko1933 only by folks who were introduced to the series by the show
@@gegalloneword1481 I know for a fact this is false. I try to make the distinction since the show ended up sucking (and long before season 8), but I know book vets that started ASOIF back in the 90s that often just call it GoT. So let's drop the pretentiousness for everyone's sake.
@@osoisko1933 and I know book vets who call it ASOIAF but everyone I've met who watched the show first, refers to it as GOT. so fact? nope.
@@gegalloneword1481 So you know EVERY single pre-show book vet? Is this really going to be a hill you die on? Grow up.
I absolutely agree that Farseer Trilogy is a pretty weak name. But I think the larger, over-arching name for the series "The Realm of the Elderlings" is definitely very good.
TBH, while it's still not a great title, once you've read a book in the series and realize that Farseer is the name of the Royal family line, "Farseer Trilogy" doesn't sound that weak or generic. But I agree, Realm of Elderlings is a much better title.
"Elderling" makes my brain 404. Are they miniature versions of elders? How is that epic?
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See, you're intrigued- an invitation to read and find out! Haha
@@anobjectiveninja yeah I've read the series. I think it's a title that's relevant to the series, I agree. But I dont think it's any good as a series title in and of itself
Personally, I feel that whether or not it is enjoyable, Forgotten Realms is possibly the most generic of all these.
Daniel: They should’ve named the tv show Leviathan Wakes. That would’ve really driven interest in the show. Just like with Game of Thrones, it just works really well.
Also Daniel: I hate it when the name of the first book is the series title. Just. Mm. I. Mm.
shows and books are a different thing
I can’t wait for Daniel to run out of tier list videos ideas so that we can get fantasy fonts and best chapter opening word lists.
Best prologue/introduction/first chapter maybe.
I know I’m super late to the party, but a best opening lines video even if it’s not a tier list could be really good. There’s so many iconic opening lines like mistborn, bark tower, Dresden files but specifically book 6, etc.
I think "Shades of magic" seems generic as all get out. I havent read the books but maybe thats a good thing to judge the series title.
I think Malazan book of the fallen is a little boring too, I prefer Mistborn.
I just think of 50 Shades of Grey now with any book series with "shades" in it
@@Mona-kg6hy If I have to be honest though, I think 50 shades of grey is a pretty good title. Now, based off that title, I wouldn't be expecting twilight fan-fic erotica, but that's another story
Mistborn is the weakest of them all.
Book of the Fallen isn't as enticing as say His Dark Materials and The Prince of Nothing but it gives you an idea of the theme of the series (plus it becomes way more melancholic once you've finished the series).
@@t.hussain921 I disagree :)
I think ASOIAF is brilliant because the title seems to only refer to magical elements (others and dragons etc.), but since it is probably inspired by the Robert Frost poem it also refers to hate and desire, which are the driving emotions of the characters in the story.
Some books in the "good" tier definetly belonged on generic
Not related to the video but I've just finished the Book of the Ancestor trilogy. I've started it after your review of Red Sister and I'm sooo glad that I read it. It's definitely in my top 10 fantasy series of all Time. So yeah, keep up the good work man 🔥
Antagonists, Series Characters, Fantasy Authors, Magic systems
He did one about magic systems already
o ' my fault
He also did Villains and I'm not sure what you mean with "Series characters"? Protagonist?
Samuel Schönenberger I mean like overall characters from an entire series. So comparing the growth of these characters, the journey they took, how they changed over the course of the series and pure enjoyment reading them. Also, which characters have stuck with him long after the series.
Body found floating by the docks...
Tier ranking fantasy authors? That's fucking stupid.
Robin Hobb's Realm of the Elderlings has the perfect name but everyone likes to break that series into the trilogies it consists of.
Realm of the Elderlings isn't a series title. It's a book universe. Like the Cosmere.
I would put Malazan book of the fallen way higher.
For some reason it just feels like the most epic title ever and as such it reflects the series itself perfectly.
I wish I could figure out titles as good as "The Lies of Locke Lamora" and "The King Killer Chronicles" etc. for my essays........
Please just make a tier list video ranking Wheel of Time book titles including their aesthetic and relevance to the plot.
Memory, sorrow, AND Thorn. Makes a big difference.
Realm of the elderlings man
As someone who hasn’t even read the series but only watched the show, His Dark Materials is my personal favorite out of all these titles
"I'm in a good mood today, so I'm being weird". Daniel. You are always weird. And we love it 😂
Where's Lord of The Rings? Also I'm currently working on a series tentatively titled "The Traveler's Canon". Does that inspire interest?
It does. Good luck with writing!
So have you finished your first book?
Daniel: I won’t let the quality of the book affect my ranking.
Also Daniel: places Narnia, which he hates, at the bottom 😂😂
Don’t like the books and happen to not like the name as well. Also generic isn’t necessarily awful. Simple as that.
Lol I feel like he just forgot the Generic Name category existed after a while
Daniel Greene Sorry, I didn’t mean to come down on you like that. I agree with you on the name being generic, I just thought the connection was funny 😆
So since the Farseer trilogy is the first series in the overarching Realm of the Elderlings, I'm kind of curious about where RotE would go for your tier rankings! I feel like that title is better than most of the individual series titles within RotE, haha.
Yeah, a lot of the trilogy names and individual book names sound kinda generic/abstract, farseer, liveship trader, tawny man. (Fitz and the Fool trilogy sounds pretty dope though)
@@jossecoupe446 Fitz and the Fool is definitely one of the better ones! Rain Wild Chronicles isn't bad either, though it might only be if you have knowledge of the series?
Liveship Traders is the best of the trilogy titles.
@@coleton7048 It's up there for me too! I think it's definitely the one that has the most appeal for those who don't know the lore around the world, since I imagine it leaves them wondering what a liveship is.
Have to disagree with you on Kingkiller Chronicles and Wheel of Time. Kingkiller, as a name, can only be good at best. Whereas Wheel of Time is brilliant, it hints at so much.
I agree with you, I haven't read any of them and wheel of time is much more welcoming then kingkiller chronicles which has way too many consonants.
"King killer" is such awkward phrasing it makes my skin itch
Not to mention the fact that not one king has been killed in the series yet.
Where's the Witcher and gentleman bastard series
Or the sword of truth?
The Witcher is not a series written in english and the word "Wiedźmin" does not have a proper translation to english.
Gentlemen bastard sequence is a fantastic series name.
@@696weewee Sword of Truth is painfully generic.
Maybe they didn't make the cut. This is his opinion.
Woo! Glad my comment from the last video was heard!
Daniel I'd love to see stormlight reviews since it's been a while since you did them, and you don't talk a whole lot about the series these days.
Especially with RoW on the horizon, this would be great for the fans (which there are a ton of; its shaping up to be one of the biggest fantasy series ever), and honestly some of your older reviews havent aged well.
I'd love to see a tier list of book titles, but only of books you haven't read.
Malazan should be Brilliant, and I have never read the series, just getting started, but the name is powerful.
Got home from work pretty tired and your entire mood this video made me feel so much better.
I actually love your mood today, it cheers me up!
Completely with you on the 'first book is the name of the series' pet peeve. The Hunger Games is always the one i think of for that. Gets under my skin
A tier about the best book covers of first book in a series.
I will give you that I'm heavily biased but it feels like a stab in my heart whenever you put something over Forgotten Realms
Me, reading GotM for the first time back in 2015: "The Malazan book of the Fallen is such a bad series name, its a completely unnecessary mouthful"
Me, having read the final line in TCG: "REMEMBER!"
Oh yea. It hits home when you get there.
SerNoddicusTheGallant the series name really drew me in to reading it sooner personally. All of the book titles are great too imo
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Yeah I also thought Book of the Fallen was such a cool title and it enticed me into reading the series but to each their own.
I really wish you would do more First Law stuff on the channel.
I've never heard "King killer chronicles" but that's such a epicly majestic name
It's good to see how others think about series titles - unfortunately this is the first time I actually totally disagree with you, but that's the fun part of watching somebody on the internet.
Have a great day, Daniel, and stay safe! :)
Daniel should one day make a Tier list of his tier lists
Daniel Greene,
I would love for you to do a Dragons tier list. I mentioned the idea on another one of your videos, but it wasn't a tier list so maybe no one noticed it. I think that since you like Dragons, and they're ultimate fantasy creature, you should do a tier list dedicated to the best dragons across fantasy.
Can you do a tier list of the ASOIAF Book Titles?
Possible tier list recommendation?? - best fantasy horses. Bela, Pips, Bill the Pony, Shadowfax, Gallant, Roach, etc.
Still waiting for that promised Westworld review, m'boy.
I am waiting for it too.
Let him read it and let him get enough time to come up with a review m’boy. Making reviews aren’t as easy as you might think
i think, moreso than tierlists, it would be interesting to see you try to deconstruct what makes a good title and what doesnt and discussing that. id love to watch that
I laughed so hard at you washing dishes and saying Kingkiller Chronicles 😆
Do a fantasy writer tier list!
I second this!!
Oh goodness, I do love The High King (the last book in the Prydain Chronicles). It’s middle grade, but I do so love it.
Taran Wanderer is my personal favorite but only by a little bit. High King had amazing scenes and wrapped the story nicley.
Fantasy Groups and Organisations Tier List! Might need to separate into two one for groups that readers/protagonists are directly involved in and one where they only see it from the outside. some ideas; The fellowship, the black guard, Saga, the order of the Phoenix, Knights Radiant
A Stephen King villain tier list would be awesome. (A Stephen King tier list in general would be awesome.)
Good mood wacky Daniel is greatest Daniel
I agree with the Shades of Magic ranking. Also the first book in that series, "A darker shade of magic", has one of the best book titles IMHO. The books themselves ain't brilliant but the titles definitely are.
I definitely appreciate your sassy and goofy attitude- top tier
Daniel, what did you think of the theory that the the titular First Law refers to Bayaz’s first law and not Bethod’s?
“Yes, Ferro. Power makes all things right. That is my first law, and my last. That is the only law that I acknowledge.”
I might be slightly biased, but His Dark Materials ranks really high for me as a series name as well. That was one of the things that drew me to the series when I first picked it up. Also agree with Stormlight Archive, Broken Earth and Wheel of Time's placement.
Only few I would disagree with for placement is Shades of Magic and Foundation Trilogy. I'd rank them definitely above average but not at brilliant.
Some titles that were not mentioned but sound cool: The Darkwater Legacy, A Chorus of Dragons and The Faithful and the Fallen
Have you read the Riyria Chronicles?? People say the relationship in Lies of Locke Lamora is the best ever, but I think that relationship in Riyria is so much better. Riyria Chronicles and Revelations are some of my favorite books!
I honestly think your tier lists are too nice
The Wheel of Time is the best title for me, I haven't read it but I remember the first time I heard its name I was extremely intrigued, and it's still the case, I keep wondering why the author chose this title and how he explores this theme.
The titular wheel of time does play a role in the story but it's not AS relevant as you would expect it to be. It's kind of like calling Harry Potter "The Cloak of Invisibility" or Avatar "Seven Chakras."
Not sure if you'll see this, but I'm hoping you'll do a video on Lord Dunsany and other pre-tolkien fantasy authors. That would be pretty cool!
If you want to do another WOT tier list, I would love to see you rank specific scenes. Some specific ones you should include are. . .
. . . the Eye of the World, Falme, the taking of the Stone, Moiraine vs Lanfear, Dumai's Wells, Bowl of the Winds, the cleansing, Egwene vs Elaida, Verrin's scene, Seanchan attack, Rand on Dragonmount, the trial, the forging of Mah'alleineir, and the last battle.
Malazan Book of the Fallen is very high for me, it definately raises the most questions and also has a natural grandeur.
I think you need to have fully read the series to appreciate the title.
You should do a fantasy dad tier list.
Oh interesting.
A favourite relationships/romances list 😌
Maybe not just romances but also friendships? Relationships between characters are so important to me, so I’d be interested in what’d make that S tier
Glad you're reading Codex Alera it is brilliant! You're going to love the characters and their relationships.
Forgotten Realms is a D&D campaign setting not a series title. there are many different series within the Forgotten Realms. correct me if I'm wrong but I think the series title you're going for is, The Legend of Drizzt series, or just maybe The Icewind Dale Trilogy or The Dark Elf Trilogy since you only just mentioned The Farseer Trilogy within the Realm of the Elderlings
I reckon Malazan Book of the Fallen might have made your brilliant list, if you had read the whole series. The significance of the name only really comes in to play towards the end. Either ways, awesome list. Keep it up.
Great to hear you have started the Codex Alera Series. I would say, Book 1 really gets going after about 2/3 of the way through. From there, the series is great. The end of the series was a little lackluster, but it was fine.
You may not have read or are a fan of David Eddings, but his kind of big, big series The Belgariad and The Mallorean I think have great titles. They kind of evoke Homer's Odyssey or The Illiad. It gives the series a very classical sounding name.
I was constantly thinking about several series names while watching this.
1 A chorus of dragons (sounds amazing, but I don't necessarily think it reflects the story as well as it could. I'm still wondering what the word chorus does in the series name and I've read the two released books).
2 The Green Bone Saga. This is just simply an amazing series title and the cohesion in the titles works amazingly with the series title as well.
3 Children of the Earth. Such an amazing series name for a prehistorical fantasy series :).
This is off topic, but I have a request for a book review. Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian. Its considered his best work. It's based on a true story. But I can't help but to find the book steeped in fantastical elements. Just by the way it's written. And the character Judge, is probably one of the most enigmatic villains in literature. Should give it a try.
On topic: Gentleman Bastards is my favorite fantasy title.
I would like to see a Tier List for fantasy novels where the lead is an Assassin
“I’m gonna put this in... generic”
@@maxbrennan8221 ?
GIANNI MANZANO a lot of fantasy with assassin protagonists are quite generic and formulaic especially ya ones
Max Brennan ... oh. Well, I didn’t know that and I was kind of looking for a recommendation.
There definitely are some good ones. Mistborn is quite good, I just finished that myself and really liked it
I think I agree with your Brilliant tier, more or less, but hardly a single book below it lol. I feel like you put a few titles in "Good" that seemed exactly the same as some in "Generic" to me.
Farseer is part of the Realm of the Elderlings. Where would you put Realm of the Elderlings? I think it would be a bit higher.
I'm almost as big a fan of Codex as I am Dresden... I'm glad you've started it, and I agree on average.
And really looking forward to your take on the series
Curious about why you included Foundation? Don’t get me wrong... always happy to see some Foundation, and I agree with the placement. But it stands out as the one very much non-fantasy series here.
I would agree with Farseer, but i had hoped, that you would rank it as Realm of the Elderlings. I really like this title.
I realize I'm late to the party but the Forgotten Realms is a setting from D&D. Lots of stories and series are set in it - All of the Drizzt books, Elminster, The Cleric Quintet, War of the Spider Queen & Lady Penitent, Baldur's Gate, among MANY others. It isn't a series title.
Also, Farseer, with the context of the books, should be either at the top of average or at the bottom of good. The books are some of the best out there, but the trilogy names are a little weaker but not bad.
Daniel: "The Kingkiller Chronicles" is a brilliant title!
Also Daniel: Incorrectly pluralizes the title every single time he says it.
How am I only just noticing the Rioter tattoo...? That’s awesome! I’m planning on getting a Slider tat in the same place
And Stormlight Archive is two words. Stormlight being one word, not two, so fight me!
Farseer trilogy makes a lot more sense after reading the books and knowing what the reference is, that being said the series is not a trilogy (there are nine books in the main entries) and the entire series name is "Realm of the Elderlings" which is not very inventive either way but at least way better then "The Farseer Trilogy". I'd be interested in if your opinion of the name changes after reading the series. Personally I think it's a average title name but having read the entire series and knowing the reference I might be biased on that one.
Can't wait to hear your thoughts on both the Iron Druids and Farseer trilogy. Read the iron druids when I finished Desden Files, loved them. Read Farseer Trilogy was amazing but the last trilogy I could just not read Robin Hobb anymore, all the self pity of the character were just getting on my nerve... Finished it and I am glad I did, but I would never reread more than the first trilogy.
keep safe
You should do a Series Endings Tier List and rate how good or bad a fantasy series ended
My feelings have been hurt in this video
i liked your energy in this video, disapointed you didn't rank the tortal series(17-18+ books) on this list, or the first quartet from the tortal series song of the lioness
A lot of people mentioned it already, but the Farseer Trilogy is only one of three trilogies inside The Realm of the Elderlings, plus there is a series of shorter stories/novels called The Rain Wild Chronicles. The Liveship Traders Trilogy and the Tawny Man Trilogy have better names, in my opinion.
Please do more videos in this mood