How to Design a Book Cover That STANDS OUT

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  • Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024

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  • @TheDGSepixx
    @TheDGSepixx 7 месяцев назад +63

    I literally searched tutorials on cover making this morning. YOU READ MY MIND

    • @AbbieEmmons
      @AbbieEmmons  7 месяцев назад +16

      Wow! 😮 I’m a mind reader I guess 😂

    • @amanimoon5987
      @amanimoon5987 Месяц назад

      @@AbbieEmmons lol

  • @rockbandny
    @rockbandny 7 месяцев назад +74

    Having a best friend who is great at art helps.

  • @sorrybusyreading
    @sorrybusyreading 7 месяцев назад +7

    Abbie, I just started reading 100 days of sunlight and oh my gosh! I’m a little less than a third of the way through but this book and these characters already have my heart. Your writing is truly fantastic and I can’t put the book down.

  • @theartsyfarmer3748
    @theartsyfarmer3748 7 месяцев назад +44

    I feel like the cover will actually change your perception of the book entirely as you read it. For me, the cover sort of tells me what to feel. For example, I’ve seen many different covers of the book 1984, and I think the one I got slightly differed my perception of the book. Yes, all the covers represent the book well, but they’re all slightly different, giving slightly different moods.

    • @AbbieEmmons
      @AbbieEmmons  7 месяцев назад +10

      That’s a fantastic point!

  • @whiteeaglehapkido
    @whiteeaglehapkido 7 месяцев назад +13

    Just started reading 100 days of sunlight ✨️ It's amazing 💛💛

    • @AbbieEmmons
      @AbbieEmmons  7 месяцев назад +7

      Thank you so much! 😊❤ I’m so happy you’re enjoying it!

    • @whiteeaglehapkido
      @whiteeaglehapkido 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@AbbieEmmons 💛🫶💛

    • @DarleneOsei-Owusu
      @DarleneOsei-Owusu 2 месяца назад

      ​@@AbbieEmmons you are so talented

  • @samantharose1001
    @samantharose1001 7 месяцев назад +6

    yellow is my favorite color, so I’m always drawn to yellow book covers 🤗

  • @christinacoombes6660
    @christinacoombes6660 7 месяцев назад +21

    Abbie i love leather bones book covers the artwork and colors are so beautiful

  • @anandaferraresi
    @anandaferraresi 7 месяцев назад +15

    Abbie: saying her book is such a happy book
    Me: crying throughout the whole damn story

  • @larssjostrom6565
    @larssjostrom6565 7 месяцев назад +7

    I like covers which shows the main character or characters in the book in a dramatic manner that responds with whom they are in story. Like the Wax and Wayne series and the Powder Mage trilogy.

  • @KaylieghHereford
    @KaylieghHereford 7 месяцев назад +3

    I love 'the city between' book series covers! There so beautiful and creative, and immediately set the tone of what your going to be reading! I love the mirrored effect they all have!

  • @aureliaavalon
    @aureliaavalon 7 месяцев назад +5

    I'm in love with the Villainess Isekai genres. Their book covers always portray the female lead and male lead posing for a photoshoot! It became something you're used to and it never stopped me from clicking book after book (or manhwa after manhwa) in multiple tabs to read them. But strange thing is, i've never seen an american fantasy YA book have that sort of cover, even though these stories are basically young adult too. They NEVER settle for the book title in regular font, it's all custom-made and stylistic. The Book title becomes a Logo instead. It really makes you want to pick it up. Who Made Me A Princess, Kill The Villainess, Villains Are Destined To Die are some examples. They really make use of the colour scheme to show the tone of the story. They have different book covers for each volume but also they usually make the novel book cover have more 'realistic' art like a painting compared to the manhwa/webtoon counterpart, which is more simple and animated. That's how the readers are supposed to tell the difference between the novel and manhwa version. I wish to make mine like this.

  • @KaylieghHereford
    @KaylieghHereford 7 месяцев назад +31

    Yesss I really need this!! I'm working on my first novel right now (I'm a teenage writer) and I have absolutely no idea where I should begin with the cover! I can't wait to watch this!! All of your videos are amazing, and have really been helping me with my writing!
    #Askabbie
    Miss Abbie, if you see this, I have a writing question.
    How do you make a character with severe, crippling depression, still be a very active character in the plot, even when it's hard for him to even get out of bed?

    • @AbbieEmmons
      @AbbieEmmons  7 месяцев назад +10

      I’m so happy my videos have been inspiring and helpful to you! 😊❤ that’s a great question- the best way to make your characters active is to show us their reasoning behind the decisions they make (even inaction is a decision!) So how do the events of your book shove your character outside his comfort zone and force him to “get up” and deal with these conflicts? As long as we see the reason why he reacts the way he does, we know why it matters to him. I hope that helps! 🤘

    • @KaylieghHereford
      @KaylieghHereford 7 месяцев назад +5

      @@AbbieEmmons Ohhh that helps a-lot!!! Thanks so much for taking the time to reply, this really helps! :D
      I think the plot should, hopefully, be motivators for why he has to get up, so to speak.
      (Let's just say someone is going to be living with him, and as he tries to hide his depression, it will be harder for him to be as inactive as he was, without revealing it.)
      I'll be sure to give more into his thought process/reasoning when he stays inactive!
      Now that I think of it...this could lead to one of the other plot points, because his coping mechanisms...aren't exactly healthy!
      Thanks a lot for the advice, you're videos are awesome, I really appreciate your help !:D

  • @sapphiresquire
    @sapphiresquire 7 месяцев назад +2

    The exact thing I've been agonizing over for a week, excellent timing!

  • @ManicLandemier
    @ManicLandemier 7 месяцев назад +23

    Yesssssssssssssssss! Another writers life Wednesday! I just finished my book so I really need this. Funny how the dates cane together isn’t it?😊

    • @chelseahenderson3594
      @chelseahenderson3594 7 месяцев назад +6

      Omggggg same! I just sent my book to my editor and was gonna start working on my cover art today!!!!😂

    • @ManicLandemier
      @ManicLandemier 7 месяцев назад +5

      @@chelseahenderson3594 congrats!!! Call me crazy but I think that editors are a waste of time and money. I would rather do two or three really good deep edits than hire an editor. It’s quicker so you could get it released earlier. Look forward to reading you book. What’s it about??

    • @AbbieEmmons
      @AbbieEmmons  7 месяцев назад +7

      Wow perfect timing! Congrats on finishing your book! 🎉❤

    • @ManicLandemier
      @ManicLandemier 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@AbbieEmmons Thank you . I can’t wait for your next book. I am currently reading the other world and I’m really enjoying it. Can’t wait for your next book and keep up the great work!!!

    • @KaylieghHereford
      @KaylieghHereford 7 месяцев назад +4

      Congratulations on finishing your book!!! Thats an awesome achievement!! :D

  • @legendarytrainermichael7305
    @legendarytrainermichael7305 7 месяцев назад +2

    When I started writing I just used text for a cover. But you gave me an idea. I hope it turns out good. Thank you. This is my first step to writing a sci-fi archaeology novel. Kinda thinking outside of the box. I've been a fan since a few months. Keep up the content!!

  • @Nooooooooooooooodle
    @Nooooooooooooooodle 7 месяцев назад +2

    I’m currently writing a book Abbie!!! And your advice and motivation has helped me I’m on chapter 8 right now

    • @KaylieghHereford
      @KaylieghHereford 7 месяцев назад

      Congratulations!!!! :D
      Same here, only I'm just on chapter 2 of my book😅
      May I ask, what's your book about?

  • @rwayman13
    @rwayman13 3 месяца назад +1

    I am a visual artist and I love designing, so this makes me excited to continue with my book!! (I'm still in the character profiling process trying to nail the desire, fear, and misbelief.) My novel is a continuation of a short story I did for a competition junior year. It already has many elements from your 3 act story structure, profling templates, and has a nice foundation for the inner conflict of both protagonists.

  • @luvsnursing9946
    @luvsnursing9946 7 месяцев назад +1

    Love the Other World cover it inspired me so much I had my cover designed again. Cover design is so important.

  • @Amy_Mi6
    @Amy_Mi6 7 месяцев назад +5

    "...maybe I just want their eyebrows" 😄

    • @AbbieEmmons
      @AbbieEmmons  7 месяцев назад +6

      🤣🤣🤣 one day we will look back on the eyebrow era with great regret

  • @brendasanchez3624
    @brendasanchez3624 7 месяцев назад +2

    As graphic designer I like to see how others perceive the book covers so I can do a better job.❤

  • @happybirthdaypaulie8584
    @happybirthdaypaulie8584 7 месяцев назад +33

    For every book I’ve published, I sit on my treadmill and try to write the book’s title on a piece of construction paper with my foot. The end result is what makes the cover. Most of my positive Amazon reviews are from my mother.

  • @Alexindiegamedev
    @Alexindiegamedev 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you Abbie & Kate. I have been working on a project for a while now. This video really helps.

  • @TMscifiwrtr
    @TMscifiwrtr 7 месяцев назад +4

    Oh cool, I need to start working on those...😮

  • @tomaria100
    @tomaria100 7 месяцев назад

    Very good! Thank you, Kate and Abbie!

  • @AuroraRose_Andromeda
    @AuroraRose_Andromeda 7 месяцев назад +2

    Covers attract me big time. It helps me to see if this book is going to be worth reading or not. I'll still give people the benefit but a strong good well made book really catches the readers. I am going to have to learn Canva. I have been trying it but I am having issues learning the program. For when I open the program I get stuff like flyers, ads to make, diagram making, but nothing like you see in AI programs where you put in a text and see an image form. So I am trying to figure all out. This was greatly appreciated and helped me a lot. Thanks Abbie and Kate.

  • @corinnehipke1187
    @corinnehipke1187 7 месяцев назад +15

    Thanks for posting Abbie! I have a question. I think I have ADHD because I have so many ideas of things I want to write and I get stuck on one idea or the other. In other words, when I write I bounce from one story to the next. Is this a bad idea?

    • @AlhaithamsWifu69
      @AlhaithamsWifu69 7 месяцев назад +2

      Me too

    • @jessica_bishop
      @jessica_bishop 7 месяцев назад +5

      I'm not Abbie but here's my opinion. Jumping from book to book is not bad at all. If you have motivation to write something, write it. If your motivation changes to something else, write that. Enjoy the process of writing. Someday you will come back to those unfinished stories and want to finish them.

    • @marie-op
      @marie-op 7 месяцев назад +1

      I'm not Abbie or a professional writer, but I do have ADHD. I think as long as you limit how many stories you bounce around you should be OK.

    • @xSugarHighDD
      @xSugarHighDD 7 месяцев назад

      So write a collection of short stories, then

    • @lauriegermaine6506
      @lauriegermaine6506 7 месяцев назад +2

      I'm not Abbie, either, but I am a published writer. I have a writer buddy who has ADHD, and in the three years we've been in a writer's group together, she has come up with oodles of amazing story ideas and has started at least seven different story drafts. That said, in all the years I've known her (longer than we've been in the writer's group), she's never actually finished a story. One can't publish a story that's not finished. So, you'll want to ask yourself some questions as you continue on your writing journey. What is it that draws you to a new idea? What is it about your current mss that you love? What is your "why" for writing it? Is that "why" compelling enough to bring you to the finish line? (Maybe it's the theme; maybe you just really love your characters and want them to have their satisfied ending). Let's be honest: new ideas are attractive. They're full of potential and look really polished in our mind's eye. Better than the half-finished manuscript on our laptop that has lost its luster and we're mired in the muddy middle. But there's going to be a point in the life of every manuscript that requires grit and determination to complete it; to write despite the dreary days, despite the frustrations, despite the allure of "new" ideas. In five years, where do you want your writing journey to be? Do you want to have at least one, maybe two, books finished and self-published, or perhaps in the hands of a potential publisher? Or do you want to continue seeing your laptop fill with unfinished manuscripts? I don't disagree that people with ADHD have a harder time focusing on completing a manuscript, but it has been done before, which means it's possible for you. 🙂

  • @technoblade5847
    @technoblade5847 7 месяцев назад +5

    Hey Abbie, I am new into writing and so, I recently discovered your channel and I am quite fascinated by your content. I have a question- I watched a couple of your old videos on strong female characters(you talked about why capn marvel is badly written and black widow is good). I am wondering that - Can Daenerys Targaryen be a good example of strong female character? She has no male characteristics(boldness etc) but she is strong as has dragons and armies. She also has her weaknesses. She also has a kind heart. So can she be? Also, if not what can be the improvements? Please do tell me because I plan on introducing a new female character in near future.
    BTW great work. You got a sub.😊

    • @aureliaavalon
      @aureliaavalon 7 месяцев назад +1

      I'm not Abbie but have you read School for Good and Evil? I believe the main characters, Agatha and Sophie are strong female protagonists with their own weaknesses (for Agatha, it became apparent in book 6 which was unique, and honestly unlike anything i've read before. Her weakness was not letting go trust to other people and doing everything herself. You wouldn't care/would overlook her character flaw unless YOU'RE in a detrimental position because of her meddling.)

    • @technoblade5847
      @technoblade5847 7 месяцев назад

      @@aureliaavalon thanks. Appreciate your help.😊

  • @kendrawheeler314
    @kendrawheeler314 7 месяцев назад

    Abbie - I FINALLY read 100 Days of Sunlight and absolutely loved it!! Immediately recommended it to a friend for her to read as well! She instantly commented on the beautiful cover!

  • @Yousif_Roud
    @Yousif_Roud Месяц назад +1

    Good editing🔥🐦‍🔥

  • @kiwilemontea4622
    @kiwilemontea4622 7 месяцев назад +1

    Covers are a very difficult thing for me because... I LITERALLY NEVER PICK A BOOK BASED ON THE COVER. Never ever ever. It's been well over a decade since I bought a book that I hadn't researched before ever walking into a store. Usually I'll only get a book if someone has recommended it to me, or if I looked up the subject matter and it came up. A lot of my favorite things to read don't even HAVE covers, they're just being released one chapter at a time online...

  • @LaelWetta-ch7tk
    @LaelWetta-ch7tk 7 месяцев назад +1

    Has anyone ever told you that you kinda look like Natalia Dyer? Especially in movies when she has less makeup on. Super random haha. Love your videos!!

  • @TooLegit2Quit84
    @TooLegit2Quit84 Месяц назад

    I'm nowhere near this point, but I still really enjoyed this episode.

  • @devernepersonal3636
    @devernepersonal3636 7 месяцев назад +1

    it took me longer than it should have to read it, but i slow burned the slow burn 100 days of Sunlight and oh my what a perfect book

  • @israelcadetftwsierra8254
    @israelcadetftwsierra8254 7 месяцев назад +2

    can you make a video about wanting to rewrite a scene or dialogue or moment (including character moment) but the struggle with that is when you scripting you lose that creativity or because you're afraid that will mess up a moment or something you want to write?

  • @ElsaLouiseSinger
    @ElsaLouiseSinger 7 месяцев назад +1

    Love this video! Also, I feel there's room to subvert expectations within reason for doing so when working on a book cover :D
    I love character based covers (I illustrate my own) and I do mostly character art, so that may be why lol

  • @chocolatecupcake2172
    @chocolatecupcake2172 7 месяцев назад

    Abbie you help me so much THANK YOU xxxx

  • @newjerusalem7197
    @newjerusalem7197 7 месяцев назад +4

    Can you make a vid about how to continue writing a book when you’re not motivated.

    • @jasmine_rice
      @jasmine_rice 7 месяцев назад +2

      YES, I SECOND THIS REQUEST!

  • @LedgerAndLace
    @LedgerAndLace 7 месяцев назад

    These are really helpful tips! THANKS Kate & Abbie! 🙂
    P.S. I stopped (in my tracks!) and ordered "100 Days of Sunshine" as soon as you held up the book and talked about it. Perhaps include links to books mentioned in the description box? That removes a couple friction points.

  • @lianilges_lilaconeal
    @lianilges_lilaconeal 7 месяцев назад +4

    Which programm(s) do you use for creating your covers?

  • @rosexbutterflyz
    @rosexbutterflyz 7 месяцев назад +4

    thanks so much!

    • @AbbieEmmons
      @AbbieEmmons  7 месяцев назад +3

      You're welcome! ☺️

  • @evanhamilton9192
    @evanhamilton9192 7 месяцев назад +2

    can you make more immersive writing sprit sessions please? I love those! They really help my prductivity.

    • @AbbieEmmons
      @AbbieEmmons  7 месяцев назад +3

      Yes! Working on a new one now… 😏

    • @evanhamilton9192
      @evanhamilton9192 7 месяцев назад

      @@AbbieEmmons Yes!!😎

  • @AUDREYZGAMER
    @AUDREYZGAMER 7 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you guys sm!

  • @Alexindiegamedev
    @Alexindiegamedev 7 месяцев назад +1

    I think this tutorial can also help with other mediums. As I am working on both a book and a indie video game as well.

  • @A_WeirdGrl_09
    @A_WeirdGrl_09 7 месяцев назад

    only thing i've noticed that grabs my attention is illustrations and interesting titles. thats all i could think of off the top of my head. also great video!

  • @SufyanQazi-x7c
    @SufyanQazi-x7c 6 месяцев назад +1

    This is Sarah Q. I have a question. I’m writing a murder mystery and my protagonist wants to investigate her own mother’s murder that happened 9 years ago. The reason she is investigating 9 yrs later and not when it happened is all developed. Her desire is to find the killer, her fear is that the killer is out there hunting her, but I can’t figure out the misbelief???

    • @isadoranurdin4402
      @isadoranurdin4402 6 месяцев назад

      The best advice I can give is to think of your story and what kind of message/moral/emotional theme comes out of it. I don't know if this applies to murder mystery stories, but knowing your story's theme helps guide a lot of the character Misbeliefs, decisions, as well as various parts of the story. As Abbie has said herself, think of a message that's important to you and you'd like to "shout from the rooftops", make that your message, and make the Misbelief the opposite of that

  • @jamescarvey2133
    @jamescarvey2133 7 месяцев назад

    WOW! amazing insights. " If a picture paints a thousand words " Yes, you ladies have just proved that a Book Cover can paint a thousand words. Love this video like all your others which are always insightful and inspiring. 🙏🙏🌹🌹

  • @Nooooooooooooooodle
    @Nooooooooooooooodle 7 месяцев назад +1

    Abbie!!! I do need a cover my book is a zombie apocalypse it’s dark 😢

  • @Iris_02
    @Iris_02 Месяц назад

    The cover of 100 days of sunlight looks almost identical to the cover of the queen of hearts by kimmery martin, the similarities are insane, it's obvious where the inspiration came from haha

  • @moonimochi
    @moonimochi 6 месяцев назад +2

    Basically: "contary to popular belief, you should be able to judge a book by its cover."

  • @brandic89
    @brandic89 6 месяцев назад

    Once it was the sky-blue and coral colors with the gamine girl holding a camera (kind of hiding her face behind it). Yes! You just said that blue is huge, haha! But love the yellow!

  • @retrofication
    @retrofication 7 месяцев назад +3

    I just wanna say that your Amazon bio says you are a professional waffle eater 😂

  • @teapartytales
    @teapartytales 7 месяцев назад +1

    i'm trying to write like multiple comics at the same time, and i'm also trying to work on a youtube series so like 3 different projects 😭 so i wanted to ask if your videos also apply to writing comics and shows?

    • @isadoranurdin4402
      @isadoranurdin4402 6 месяцев назад +1

      I'd say they do! Literally any movie you can think of, EVEN kid's movies, have structures and character arcs that follow Abbie's method. It's a general structure for any story, no matter the medium ^^

    • @teapartytales
      @teapartytales 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@isadoranurdin4402 ah, thank you!

  • @22sierrafaye22
    @22sierrafaye22 6 месяцев назад

    I've had this idea for quite some time. You always see the author's name at the top or bottom of the cover, but you never see it on the side of the book. (It's kind of hard to explain it) Basically, I think it would be cool to see a book where the author name is vertical down the side of the cover. It would still be on the front cover though.
    I also have a question. So I was (just for fun) photoshopping a book cover idea and the more I looked at it, the more i fell in love with it. Is it okay to photoshop book covers or would that count as plagerism?

    • @isadoranurdin4402
      @isadoranurdin4402 6 месяцев назад

      I'd say it's okay as long as you're photoshopping images you have permission to use. Like photos you took yourself, art you commissioned from someone and is fairly yours, or images from a website that are royalty-free or that you've paid to use?

  • @sanaamin5651
    @sanaamin5651 7 месяцев назад +7

    I hope it's not another announcement for livetraining 😅😅 Pls I'd really like a full content❤

  • @Senovitj
    @Senovitj 7 месяцев назад

    A suggestion for another video, how to imagine and describe the landscape your characters travel through? What needs to stand out in the descriptions of the woods, hills, rivers, etc.?
    My characters got a lot of travelling to do, through a neolithic world with wild animals and other tribes.

    • @isadoranurdin4402
      @isadoranurdin4402 6 месяцев назад

      Something that helps me personally is making boards on Pinterest with the feel/vibe I want to create, so I can keep it in my mind as I write. Or try to visit a place that resembles the place you're trying to write (for your setting maybe some ancient forest or mountainous area) and just write down things you notice as you walk around that you might not think of by yourself. Little environmental details around you

  • @sarahwithanhyouheathen3210
    @sarahwithanhyouheathen3210 6 месяцев назад

    These two remind me of Fluttershy and Twilight Sparkle and i love them so much 😊

  • @susanbeshay5571
    @susanbeshay5571 7 месяцев назад

    Can you make a video on how to make good paragraphs or something like that because I am writing a book and when I put it into paragraphs I am not sure whether or not if it sounds write

    • @isadoranurdin4402
      @isadoranurdin4402 6 месяцев назад

      Maybe try to vary sentence structure and use more descriptive words. If you like you could show me a paragraph or two from your writing and I could give you some advice?

  • @chelseahenderson3594
    @chelseahenderson3594 6 месяцев назад

    Ive watched this video so many times and im still hopeless. There are so many important things in my book. I dont want to stress but im beginning to feel like my cover will end up completely blank or terrible

  • @DracoxHermione7
    @DracoxHermione7 22 дня назад

    Book mark: 6:54

  • @StawHatGaming7
    @StawHatGaming7 7 месяцев назад +2

    "@AbbieEmmons, can I please show you my manga? It's dark fantasy. And to hear your thoughts on it would be great and super helpful. 😀🙏💯"

    • @A_WeirdGrl_09
      @A_WeirdGrl_09 7 месяцев назад +1

      you have the courage to do what i can only dream of. i hope she sees it

    • @StawHatGaming7
      @StawHatGaming7 7 месяцев назад

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@A_WeirdGrl_09Thanks 👍👊 happy writing 😀 P.s. don’t ever be afraid to ask for someone’s opinion or insight on something, just go for it 💯

  • @brandic89
    @brandic89 6 месяцев назад

    Oh! Read my mind, lol!

  • @lauriegermaine6506
    @lauriegermaine6506 7 месяцев назад

    This is the one sadness with ebooks. One never has a chance to drool over the cover before the app whisks you to the latest page read. You have to physically tap on "cover" in order to view it. And even then, the pic is only as big as a phone screen in most cases. Unfortunately, Abbie, only those who buy a physical copy of your latest book will notice the butterfly spanning both sides. Not that we DON'T plan a cover with the physical copy in mind; just saying it's a shame when it comes to ebooks.

  • @ask1818
    @ask1818 7 месяцев назад

    #askabbie What most important things include the Sci-Fi?

  • @devang.7697
    @devang.7697 2 месяца назад

    For hindi readers
    Read my Mysterious Story in Pocket novel
    Faded Secrets
    -Devang

  • @xxaleksi
    @xxaleksi 7 месяцев назад +1

    how do i incorporate a pride flag with just the rainbow colors with a brownish cave and i also want to add fire elements? it is fantasy
    the main characters is male and walks with a cane

    • @samantharose1001
      @samantharose1001 7 месяцев назад +1

      maybe the flames can be subtly rainbow? like red to orange to yellow and the sky (especially if it’s a night sky) could be a blue-green to blue to indigo to purple

    • @xxaleksi
      @xxaleksi 7 месяцев назад +2

      @samantharose1001 I do like that but it's all kinda like underground so all like tunnels and caves within caves

    • @samantharose1001
      @samantharose1001 7 месяцев назад

      @@xxaleksi ohh I see! It sounds like a cool premise :) good luck with brainstorming for visuals!! you got this!

  • @alynn.art.studio
    @alynn.art.studio 6 месяцев назад +1

    Just a tip! AMATEURS SHOULD NOT CREATE THEIR BOOK COVERS!

    • @skunkbucket9408
      @skunkbucket9408 3 месяца назад

      Oops! I regret doing that on my first two novels. Live and learn.