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You forgot to mention the box and one in 2011 playoffs Panathinaikos against Barcelona where young Calathes was chasing prime Navarro even in the bathroom and the series concluded with 3 consecutive wins for PAO(3-1), in one of Zelijko's coaching masterclasses
@@AugustasSuliauskas They deliberately provoked Ricky Rubio's 3p shot, defenders even turned their backs on him. That Barca was even better than year before, they kept the team and added Alan Anderson and some young guy from Australia called Joe Ingles😁
Game is Game. Everyone should Use Whatever Strategy they Think is the Best for their Game Plan. Whatever Strategy, if NOT Illegal By FIBA Rules, IS ALLOWED to be Used. Create Your Counter-Strategy and DON'T COMPLAIN😀 One Should Man Up and Live with It. 😀😀😍😍🏀🏀
Wow... A so called star player is calling a legitimate defensive strategy "ridiculous in professional basketball". Isn't that what's ridiculous and unprofessional?
@@AugustasSuliauskas He's complaining about opposite team making his job harder, so clearly it worked for them for 40 minutes. As they say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
First of all, happy new year!! Very helpful video for once again!! If I am not mistaken, back in 2011 Panathinaikos used box & one against Barcelona during the quarterfinals, in order to contain Navarro's offensive productivity, with young Nick Calathes on him as main match up.
It worked against GSW because they were basically out of shooters except Curry. Draymond, Iggy, Livingston cannot hurt you from deep whole game. Kerr tried to play Quinn Cook but he was negative in defense. That series was lost when Klay got injured.
In serbia we call that Isolation,where beste defensive guard players guard their counterparts from opposing team.Dragan Milosavljevic and Branko Lazic are the best at this job.You should do analysis.Milosavljrvic isolated Navaroo against barça,whereas Branko isolated De Colo against CSKa
Mike james is whining primadona that thinks anything that doesnt go his way is wrong...he was well defended in this game and was frustrated by it so he goes to the same ol whining... How are u complaining about another team's tactics?? They aint doing anything illegal so just DEAL WIT IT!!
Seriusly, as a french I'm ASHAMED by what James said. Does he believe basket is just for making points? No, basketball (at least european) is a brain game, strategic. If you don't understand that, you don't know what european basketball means. Box and one is a strategy, like an other one. And I want to say CONGRATS to the coach of alba. He did it again against De colo and that worked
It works. It wrecks the offense completely. Mike's words are the very proof that it sucks the will to live out of the offensive players. And it works in the EL, the NBA and your backyard.
This system is good for a team to play it if the other has a superstar like mike james. But if you play it you have to be sure that the other players of the oposite team are going to loose the open shots. That's why you can't use it against efes for example and it is akward that against monaco worked. With okobo diallo strazel you cant let someone free to shoot
Thanks for the comment, it’s an interesting discussion. In the same GSW-Toronto series, Nurse also used Triangle & 2 against Curry & Klay, which, by many, was dubbed crazy or super risky, but it worked extremely well by throwing off Warriors and making it a mess of their offense. Sometimes what you think might be crazy even against the best teams (GSW, Efes) could work in reality because it’s something new for their offense to adjust to.
@@AugustasSuliauskas Another explanation concerns mind games. Every team has one or two leaders. When those leaders have an off night, it has a negative effect on their teammates who could think "Man, if those guys can't get a shot made, what chance do I have against them?" Plus the European style of play is much more physical than the NBA, which makes somebody wanting to penetrate think twice.
@@DimShamrock I believe a lot of psychology things are behind this. Others have to take shots they are not used to taking (and the amount of them), +being wide open sometimes can do you more harm than good, in terms of pressure making the shot and the rhythm of it.
@@AugustasSuliauskas 100% agree. Pressure plays a huge role in big time situations. As you've probably noticed, I am a Panathinaikos fan, and this year, we're increasingly becoming dependent on Dwayne Bacon. Bacon is a player than has way too big of a load to carry at this moment, because we always expect him to score 15-30 points. And he does it with little support. However he has too many shot attempts, and it is easy to say that somebody had a great game, when he gets 20 attempts per game. 45% to 55% of those will go in, and you will think that you had a great game, even though this comes at a cost for your team. And that tends to work with small and mid-table teams. However, it doesn't with bigger teams, because they adjust to that one player. They have been doing it since the 80s with the Jordan rules. We joke around here, that this was the type of basketball that Aris played back in the late 80s. Give the ball to Galis, and let him score 50. That won't cut it anymore. And with a full OAKA, against our biggest rivals, there can't be more pressure than this. At least in my opinion. Anyway. Like your work, it looks professional, and you three are the first Europeans I've ever seen covering European basketball like this. So, that being said, loosen the smile and the sarcasm, you come off as smug sometimes, even though I know you don't mean to. One topic I'd like to see you guys discuss is the new role of Radonjic in Panathinaikos. And if you think giving him the keys to the Technical Director position was the right decision for Giannakopoulos to make. Especially after that loss. Because it's like if my little cousin got an F in a test, and I would reward him with an iPhone.
It's ridiculous to call a defensive tactic "ridiculous". It's all in the game, learn the counters and trust your teammates. All plans have strengths and weaknesses and it all boils down to how much of your homework you've done when watching tape. Now with this out of the way, let's turn to 2011 EL playoffs that other people have mentioned below. At this point in history, box+1 wasn't common at all; it was primarily a college basketball defense, where it is more frequent to have a 5-star prospect player against you, whose level of talent is vastly greater than his teammates, and one player can influence the game more than in the pros. People commonly believe that box+1 is an underdog defense; you're the worse team so you try to steal the game. 2011 Barcelona was indeed the favourites, but Panathinaikos was more than a solid team. Obradovic correctly saw that box+1 was fit for purpose on Navarro, not because his team was inferior, but because Barcelona was structurally unable to counter it, as their wings were not shooting consistently enough, and the other two prime guards were either non-factors from downtown (Rubio) or not playing off the ball/around screens (Lakovic). Meanwhile, he had a young, speedy guard fresh out of the NCAA (Calathes) against an aging Navarro, and a box which frequently consisted of Sato/Diamantidis up front, and Fotsis/Batiste at the back - passing lanes blocked all over. Interesting addition: since offenses against box+1 usually try to screen their star player away from his defender, Calathes used to "shadow" those picks a lot: he played over the pick to stop Navarro's 3-point shot, but let him drive past towards Sato or Diamantidis and follow him from behind, trapping him when he got to the box. Game, set and match. Basketball is a game of mismatches.
Interestingly, this defense takes a toll on the defending team as well. The player hounding the other team's star can't really contribute on the offensive end; Panathinaikos could never have done that with Diamantidis instead of Calathes, just like the Raptors could never have Kawhi on Steph. It's all how you utilise your personnel.
You need to have excellent defenders, Crvena Zvezda with Branko Lazić and now Stefan Lazarević often uses box&1 defense in critical moments. Duško Ivanovic is a master tailor for adapting different defenses for each individual of the opposing team. You should watch his defensive masterclass against Partizan, for example. ruclips.net/video/5ZYireJmx1k/видео.html
thanks. we have a video of how he transformed their defense quickly after getting the job. ruclips.net/video/HvDEHYmARw8/видео.html&ab_channel=BasketNews
I'm sure there's tape on somewhere but I seem to remember in 2021 Eurobasket Scariolo running it against Slovenia and Luka only had 10 or so points but close to that many turnovers. Slovenia still won though. The Warriors did a good job with it against him in the Western conference finals. Scariolo is a master at changing the shape and matching it up.
Željko Obradović did that in 2011 Euroleague playoffs against Barcelona, long before Scariolo. Just like he used what it's now called "Spain pick'n'roll" some 20 years ago.
James is ridiculous, always has been. Many Americans also share this mentality that they are owed because they do something better. If a tactic is not unsportsmanlike why cry about it? That shows how soft some people are and they never take responsibility. Great player bad personality
so thats why in yesterday game vs zalgiris mj makes 0 points but okobo 34 PIR. Oh, and zalgiris lost. Just like MJ saed - it doesnt work in this level.
It is the wrong question. Box'n1 is a legit strategy of the game. No need for discussion. For me it is actually questionable why we give so much attention to a player who is just plain unprofessionell and disrepectfull towards the opponents?
@@AugustasSuliauskas well. i guess i was a bit harsh here to say there is no need or it would be not interesting. you got a point there. but bluntly i am just very pissed by Mike James' self-promotion via twitter where he is debasing the opponents as if they would not be worthy to play the same floor like his majesty.
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You forgot to mention the box and one in 2011 playoffs Panathinaikos against Barcelona where young Calathes was chasing prime Navarro even in the bathroom and the series concluded with 3 consecutive wins for PAO(3-1), in one of Zelijko's coaching masterclasses
I have to rewatch it, thank you for the note!
I immediately remembered that when i saw the beginning of this video.. That was such a shock for Barca. And everyone else :)
@@AugustasSuliauskas They deliberately provoked Ricky Rubio's 3p shot, defenders even turned their backs on him. That Barca was even better than year before, they kept the team and added Alan Anderson and some young guy from Australia called Joe Ingles😁
Monaco wouldn't have that issue if they weren't that reliant on Mike James.
Obviously it worked. That's why they complained.
Game is Game. Everyone should Use Whatever Strategy they Think is the Best for their Game Plan.
Whatever Strategy, if NOT Illegal By FIBA Rules, IS ALLOWED to be Used.
Create Your Counter-Strategy and DON'T COMPLAIN😀
One Should Man Up and Live with It.
😀😀😍😍🏀🏀
I was waiting for this to be explained. Hats off 🎩
Happy to help! Thanks 🙏
Hope we didn’t disappoint. Thank you
Wow... A so called star player is calling a legitimate defensive strategy "ridiculous in professional basketball". Isn't that what's ridiculous and unprofessional?
Man I don't believe how can he be so stupid and say something like that, they didn't do anything illegal on the court
He said 40 minutes of it seems ridiculous. Anyway, that seemed a bit too harsh, I agree
@@AugustasSuliauskas He's complaining about opposite team making his job harder, so clearly it worked for them for 40 minutes. As they say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
The only thing that is ridiculous in the video is Mike James !!!
More basketball tactic videos please!
What would you like to see explained?
@@AugustasSuliauskas any concept would be great! Can’t think of anything specific now. Thanks for the reply.
First of all, happy new year!! Very helpful video for once again!!
If I am not mistaken, back in 2011 Panathinaikos used box & one against Barcelona during the quarterfinals, in order to contain Navarro's offensive productivity, with young Nick Calathes on him as main match up.
It worked against GSW because they were basically out of shooters except Curry. Draymond, Iggy, Livingston cannot hurt you from deep whole game. Kerr tried to play Quinn Cook but he was negative in defense.
That series was lost when Klay got injured.
In serbia we call that Isolation,where beste defensive guard players guard their counterparts from opposing team.Dragan Milosavljevic and Branko Lazic are the best at this job.You should do analysis.Milosavljrvic isolated Navaroo against barça,whereas Branko isolated De Colo against CSKa
Thank you I will def implement this
Some teams have 30m budget while others have 8m..That is ridiculous Mr James...
correct me if i am wrong but the zone spain was playing looked more like 2-1-2 zone than a box and one.
Mike james is whining primadona that thinks anything that doesnt go his way is wrong...he was well defended in this game and was frustrated by it so he goes to the same ol whining...
How are u complaining about another team's tactics?? They aint doing anything illegal so just DEAL WIT IT!!
He didn’t play bad, he made the right reads and passes for open teammates and had 7 assists, but the complaining part was weird for me too
Seriusly, as a french I'm ASHAMED by what James said.
Does he believe basket is just for making points? No, basketball (at least european) is a brain game, strategic. If you don't understand that, you don't know what european basketball means. Box and one is a strategy, like an other one. And I want to say CONGRATS to the coach of alba. He did it again against De colo and that worked
An old said when asked how they will stop Gkalis in the playoffs and he said : " we won't...we will stop the others"
Maka pulling a " ...muy likeo " from the Crespo era.
It works. It wrecks the offense completely. Mike's words are the very proof that it sucks the will to live out of the offensive players. And it works in the EL, the NBA and your backyard.
This system is good for a team to play it if the other has a superstar like mike james. But if you play it you have to be sure that the other players of the oposite team are going to loose the open shots. That's why you can't use it against efes for example and it is akward that against monaco worked. With okobo diallo strazel you cant let someone free to shoot
Thanks for the comment, it’s an interesting discussion.
In the same GSW-Toronto series, Nurse also used Triangle & 2 against Curry & Klay, which, by many, was dubbed crazy or super risky, but it worked extremely well by throwing off Warriors and making it a mess of their offense.
Sometimes what you think might be crazy even against the best teams (GSW, Efes) could work in reality because it’s something new for their offense to adjust to.
@@AugustasSuliauskas Another explanation concerns mind games. Every team has one or two leaders. When those leaders have an off night, it has a negative effect on their teammates who could think "Man, if those guys can't get a shot made, what chance do I have against them?"
Plus the European style of play is much more physical than the NBA, which makes somebody wanting to penetrate think twice.
@@DimShamrock I believe a lot of psychology things are behind this. Others have to take shots they are not used to taking (and the amount of them), +being wide open sometimes can do you more harm than good, in terms of pressure making the shot and the rhythm of it.
@@AugustasSuliauskas 100% agree.
Pressure plays a huge role in big time situations.
As you've probably noticed, I am a Panathinaikos fan, and this year, we're increasingly becoming dependent on Dwayne Bacon.
Bacon is a player than has way too big of a load to carry at this moment, because we always expect him to score 15-30 points. And he does it with little support.
However he has too many shot attempts, and it is easy to say that somebody had a great game, when he gets 20 attempts per game. 45% to 55% of those will go in, and you will think that you had a great game, even though this comes at a cost for your team.
And that tends to work with small and mid-table teams. However, it doesn't with bigger teams, because they adjust to that one player. They have been doing it since the 80s with the Jordan rules.
We joke around here, that this was the type of basketball that Aris played back in the late 80s. Give the ball to Galis, and let him score 50. That won't cut it anymore.
And with a full OAKA, against our biggest rivals, there can't be more pressure than this. At least in my opinion.
Anyway. Like your work, it looks professional, and you three are the first Europeans I've ever seen covering European basketball like this. So, that being said, loosen the smile and the sarcasm, you come off as smug sometimes, even though I know you don't mean to.
One topic I'd like to see you guys discuss is the new role of Radonjic in Panathinaikos. And if you think giving him the keys to the Technical Director position was the right decision for Giannakopoulos to make. Especially after that loss.
Because it's like if my little cousin got an F in a test, and I would reward him with an iPhone.
If they Box and one Kobe he be like: Only one? send more!
Branko Lazic and Dragan Milosavljevic are best Serbian defence players.I would like to see Serbia USA mundobasket,those 2 guarding Curry and Klay
Thanks boutta use this @ LA fitness 😂😂😂😂
It's ridiculous to call a defensive tactic "ridiculous". It's all in the game, learn the counters and trust your teammates. All plans have strengths and weaknesses and it all boils down to how much of your homework you've done when watching tape.
Now with this out of the way, let's turn to 2011 EL playoffs that other people have mentioned below. At this point in history, box+1 wasn't common at all; it was primarily a college basketball defense, where it is more frequent to have a 5-star prospect player against you, whose level of talent is vastly greater than his teammates, and one player can influence the game more than in the pros. People commonly believe that box+1 is an underdog defense; you're the worse team so you try to steal the game. 2011 Barcelona was indeed the favourites, but Panathinaikos was more than a solid team. Obradovic correctly saw that box+1 was fit for purpose on Navarro, not because his team was inferior, but because Barcelona was structurally unable to counter it, as their wings were not shooting consistently enough, and the other two prime guards were either non-factors from downtown (Rubio) or not playing off the ball/around screens (Lakovic). Meanwhile, he had a young, speedy guard fresh out of the NCAA (Calathes) against an aging Navarro, and a box which frequently consisted of Sato/Diamantidis up front, and Fotsis/Batiste at the back - passing lanes blocked all over. Interesting addition: since offenses against box+1 usually try to screen their star player away from his defender, Calathes used to "shadow" those picks a lot: he played over the pick to stop Navarro's 3-point shot, but let him drive past towards Sato or Diamantidis and follow him from behind, trapping him when he got to the box.
Game, set and match. Basketball is a game of mismatches.
Interestingly, this defense takes a toll on the defending team as well. The player hounding the other team's star can't really contribute on the offensive end; Panathinaikos could never have done that with Diamantidis instead of Calathes, just like the Raptors could never have Kawhi on Steph. It's all how you utilise your personnel.
That's another Zeljko 'pioneer' move. Thanks a lot, gonna rewatch the series soon.
As an nba fan, this is refreshing
You need to have excellent defenders, Crvena Zvezda with Branko Lazić and now Stefan Lazarević often uses box&1 defense in critical moments. Duško Ivanovic is a master tailor for adapting different defenses for each individual of the opposing team. You should watch his defensive masterclass against Partizan, for example.
ruclips.net/video/5ZYireJmx1k/видео.html
thanks. we have a video of how he transformed their defense quickly after getting the job. ruclips.net/video/HvDEHYmARw8/видео.html&ab_channel=BasketNews
@@AugustasSuliauskas lazarevic is the best defensive Forward he locked Mirotic and Vezenkov do review even Sasa Obradovic admitted that after game
What happens when you box and 1 Doncic
I'm sure there's tape on somewhere but I seem to remember in 2021 Eurobasket Scariolo running it against Slovenia and Luka only had 10 or so points but close to that many turnovers. Slovenia still won though. The Warriors did a good job with it against him in the Western conference finals. Scariolo is a master at changing the shape and matching it up.
Željko Obradović did that in 2011 Euroleague playoffs against Barcelona, long before Scariolo. Just like he used what it's now called "Spain pick'n'roll" some 20 years ago.
James is ridiculous, always has been. Many Americans also share this mentality that they are owed because they do something better. If a tactic is not unsportsmanlike why cry about it? That shows how soft some people are and they never take responsibility. Great player bad personality
so thats why in yesterday game vs zalgiris mj makes 0 points but okobo 34 PIR. Oh, and zalgiris lost. Just like MJ saed - it doesnt work in this level.
You can’t play that defense in the NBA the kick pass will hit that, especially GS.
Any shooter knows how that shit is so annoying
It is the wrong question. Box'n1 is a legit strategy of the game. No need for discussion. For me it is actually questionable why we give so much attention to a player who is just plain unprofessionell and disrepectfull towards the opponents?
It was a good time to remind everyone how box-and-one defense was successful recently
@@AugustasSuliauskas well. i guess i was a bit harsh here to say there is no need or it would be not interesting. you got a point there. but bluntly i am just very pissed by Mike James' self-promotion via twitter where he is debasing the opponents as if they would not be worthy to play the same floor like his majesty.
Dito sa Pilipinas ang tawag diyan asawahin yung scorer
He is not even the best Mike James to play basketball, let alone being a star. There is a reason why he is out of the NBA.
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