BMW Rust Bucket!? BMW M4/ 4 SERIES CONVERTIBLE F33 water slosh- drain hole issue- water leak- water
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- BMW RUST BUCKET!!! Buyers be warned! Watch the video and be shocked... hashtag#bmwuk
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BMW 4 series convertible F33 LEAK!!! . BMW are aware their cars had issues and repaired THOSE... improving drainage free of charge under manufacturer three year warranty. However, those who own a car over three years old and now out of warranty have no choice other than paying astronomical dealership investigative costs! BMW should've issued a recall! I share this issue with the hope someone at hashtag#bmwuk sees this and can help press for a recall or dealer fix for this ever so common and potentially costly repair.. hashtag#help hashtag#press hashtag#cars hashtag#investigative hashtag#dealership hashtag#bmwpress hashtag#berrybmw hashtag#perthlandrover hashtag#pentlandlandrover
I’ve drilled holes with a 20mm hole saw beneath the drain plug on each side of my 2014 f33. Off side window regulator sounds rough because of being submerged.
Contrary to a previous comment, it’s not an issue with aged window trims. You will never stop water getting past them. The problem is the plastic cill trims that block the drain. For a “prestige” company to have this issue is poor, but to not recall for a modification is disgusting treatment of it’s customers.
A friend of mine was discussing this issue on his 435d when he was in the process of buying a new M4. The salesman said BMW had resolved the issue but with less than 500 miles on his new car he heard the familiar sound of water sloshing in the rear seat side panel. The dealership drilled the holes in the cill trim during it’s 1st service.
Depends on circumstances but condition of window seals is a factor. Mine was a few years old when I did the drain mod but no water had got into the compartment, presumably because the window seals are still good. I guess if you point a jetwash at them though some water might get in. I'm always pretty careful about where I point a jetwash, not directly at anywhere where water could ingress into the car and not directly at parking sensors because a jetwash can damage those too.
I just found a BMW document explaining how to fix the problem. So they're aware of it.
Here's the fix..
The problem is this, bear with me.. The rear window seals on a convertible over time don't seal and water finds its way into the compartment behind the doors. If the water builds up enough it will overflow and affect nearby electrics. There is a drain plug (located about 6" in front of the back wheels) but this is blocked by the under-panel and sills.
The cure is to peel back the under-tray and sill (release 2 plastic pin- rivets in the rear wheel arch and 2x plastic T30 screws underneath, then just bend them downwards). Then remove the large plastic drain plug. It's a 13mm hex socket, you probably won't have a 13mm allen key but can easily make one from a nut and couple of bolts. It only needs to be turned about 10 degrees anti-clockwise, you'll feel it click, then the plug can be withdrawn.
Clean the large plastic drain plug which has a "debris diverting tower" attached (looks a bit like a helter skelter, keeps leaves etc from dropping over the 4 small drain holes in the bottom of the drain plug. You can open out / enlarge these holes in the drain plug slightly with a drill if you like, I did).
Then drill a 10mm hole through both the plastic undershield and the sills (as per the BMW service bulletin TIS) which line up with the drain plug and the water will no longer build up in that compartment. I actually cut a small recess in the plastic sills with a dremel-type tool to make a recess so it sits around, not over the drain plug and just drilled the 10mm hole in the under-tray, but the drainage affect is the same.
Essentially BMW should have designed the under-tray and sills with recesses / cut-outs for the drain plugs, but they didn't so the 2 layers of plastic over the plug block it from being able to drain.
Could you do a video on How to resolve.. I am sure it be helpful for many
@@moynulrahman7528 No, have to make do with the description I'm afraid. The job needed 2 hands and it would have taken so much longer if I was trying to video each stage. The description is pretty comprehensive and easy to follow though. If you printed it out while attempting the job everything will become really obvious.
Having just been surprising soaked by my own M4 Comp Convertible following an emergency stop I can confirm that this method works 100%. I too have cut out a square section around the drain plug in case there’s a next time 🤬
I used a plain old short butter knife to turn & remove the dumb drain plug after testing it fitted a 13mm socket first! What an epic £75k BMW fail 🙄
@@andy1dp Nice one Andy. You did both sides, yes?
@@TonyJvideos Yeah…both sides now done as you so kindly described…I had the extra BMW Motorsport side skirt to contend with but still managed to trim out enough plastic under panelling to expose THAT drain plug. See my Instagram Video @andym4c ✅
Thank you for posting this....
Have the same issue, and will be draining it over the weekend as per video.
Can't believe there's not much more noise about this issue
I have the same problem on my 435d Xdrive F33 and the BMW dealership manager said it’s not their fault when they KNEW F33 models MUST be drained during service which they never did. I will seek legal advice soon as this should be a recall. The worker at BMW even had the cheek to tell me “do you believe everything you see on the internet”. Fookers!
What assholes! This is a real problem with video evidence! Hopefully, being galvanised the thing shouldn't rust, however, it is slightly disconcerting to hear sloshing and having to drain water from a 50k plus car....
@@Biorbboy. Can’t we all get together online and create a petition? Because this isn’t wear & tear! This is a very obvious design fault which the panel is CLEARLY blocking the drainage hole.
@@MysteriousBreeze yes we can, we just need a few organised members
@@Biorbboy. Ok would you like to be that person? I and many will stand behind you as there are 10’s of millions of £/$/€ worth or cars being damaged. Im forking out to buy a harman kardon amp which is costing me an arm and a leg.
@@MysteriousBreeze i don't think I could give this the time and effort this needs. Maybe if you post it on the forums you may have some luck. I'm sorry my friend.
did my m4 today. Only had dirt accumulated. This seems to be more of an issue for cars that aren’t garaged and daily driven or left out in the rain. Nonetheless it’s a 10 minute fix.
Thank you for raising awareness of the issue.
Another Point to make…. Can you imagine how much that extra weight effects… handling, performance & fuel consumption? Not to mention the damage it could do to the interior, electrics, sound system…as twin HK speakers in MY rear panels! Shame on BMW 🤬
A few gallons of water isn't going to affect the handling as much as the extra weight of the hardtop roof enginnering (and xdrive system if you have it) already does. Yes definitely there's danger of damage to the amp and electrics if the water from those compartments overflows though, as many have found out the hard way.
The water in my wife’s car has stopped the radio working, I hope it’s a cheap fix!
My M4 was the same and one day the hood wouldn’t close because the wires on the window regulator had been sat in the water until corrosion made the wire snap. Once the window won’t operate then neither will the hood. I went underneath the car and forced the plug out to leave a bigger opening for the water to exit the car then fitted the new regulator and everything is fine now.
Anyone searching for instruction with convertible top up and window not rolling down. You need to use a diagnostic OBD tablet (I use Autel MqxiCOM mk808) plugs into car OBD port, go through menu to command car to put convertible top on service mode, once in service mode, you can open the convertible using the open button on the car. If top acting weird after replaced the window regulator, then you have to go through the menu to initialise power window regulators. I hope this helps anyone who got a broken window regulator flooded inside the rear quarter panel.
Great video…my M4 Comp Convertible soaked me after an emergency stop today!!!!! 🥺 WTF 🤬
Followed some advise here & issue resolved on BOTH sides in under 2hrs! See my other comments. Funny as had recently noticed trails of water very slowly weeping from under car at rear and did think WHY? 🙄 And my windows were steaming up more this year than ever! 🤬
WOW..... my '67 M4 convertible started making the water sloshing noise- reminded me of my '87 XJ-S. I noticed my expensive amp in the boot rear quarter panel had drips of water on it too. Found this post and did as Speedbird suggests, then waited 10 minutes while water drained, not just from the nearside rear quarter but also a steady stream from the area behind the front wheel too. Must have been five litres I guess. BMW will be getting a call in the morning! Thank you very much for this post. My three year warranty is up in December! @BMW_UK
No worries mate, best of luck with bmw 👍🏽
Too late for me, I'm finding all this out after the fact, my amp just blown. I've had my '67 M4 Convertible for over 3 years and this is the first I've heard of this problem, I'm utterly raging. I still don't understand how water got onto the amp and where the ingress point is there, or why my dealer hasn't been proactive about it, but yea this is amateur for a brand like BMW
My BMW E93 Convertible, had the same issue but much worse, if you don't empty the water, it leaks inside the car, despite two summers the water remained under the carpet and didn't dry out. My only option was to remove the saturated back seat and take it indoors, replace the entire interior carpet. Vacuum out the water and leave the car to dry for one entire summer. The leather interior got mould every where, had to get the seats recoated and two years later the car still remains under a cover and still isn't back on the road due to electrical issues. Now I got a low millage immaculate 330i drop top garden ornament! lol
Thanks for this vid, just replaced rear window regulator on my convertible 420d and noticed a small swimming pool complete with goldfish in the bottom of the recess.
Glad to hear that you found the video helpful. Cheers for the message 🍻😊
Did you buy this off the herald of free enterprise?? lol. I have just bought one of these blindly and the drive is amazing. However I am just learning their faults, water in the rear quarters, roof not latched etc etc which is so sad for a prestige car. Will see where it goes but the drive is lovely (m4 428i). Thanks for the informative video its helped.
I was thinking at some point the water draining would stop. It leaked the whole way through the video! For a luxury car like BMW this should never be the case. Even shit seats wouldn’t have this design problem. Bavarian Motor WATER Works more like it.
This is clearly a reason for an URGENT recall….
#bmw is in fault big time… how can this be posible for a “prestige” company like this….
#bmwrecall #waterdamage #bmwwaterdamage #f33 …. We demand a Recall……
show us a step by step video of locating the drain plug etc!
There are some screws securing the plastic sill and undertray in the rear wheel arch and underneath. You don't need to remove all the screws from both, just remove as many as you need to so you can pull down both enough to see the drain plug (about 10" in front of the rear wheel arch at a guess).
I have had the exact same problem on mine. I thought I had a fuel leak at first with all the patches, then heard the sloshing about, then did the same as you. Mine drained for nearly 10 mins. Ridiculous.
Thanks for commenting 👍
Absolutely shocking quality from the marque... Have you come up with a permanent solution?
Cheers
K
@@Biorbboy No chap, I haven't, but my BMW dealer seems to have fixed it. Think they've enlarged the holes and possibly re routed the drainage tubes.
@@Jayswarno how much did it cost to have bmw dealer sort it out? I’m thinking I should take it to dick Lovett in Bristol
Just drained mine. Got about a gallon out! New something wrong because every time i lowered/raised the rear passenger side window it was always wet. Then started to here the sloshing of water, which i drained using a syphon before this video. I will be putting some rubber between sill and side skirt so i always have a small gap. Should have been a recall! Hope the water hasn't got into the speakers or winder motor but everything seems to work ok.
It's terrible mate. Poor design from bmw, they never responded to my emails... Obviously they're not intrested in addressing faulty engineering flaws and maintaining customer satisfaction...
@@Biorbboy Totally agree! just been on BMW customer care site to complain but prob wasting my time!! The other issue is the lack of a drain on the wiper front trim panel but not a major issue. Don't know what's happening with BMW and MERC. My last Mercedes had no end of problems, this is main reason i changed back to BMW!! My wife has the new Peugeot 308 and has been faultless and a pleasure to drive so times are changing!!!!!
@@clivesheppard4136 Hi Clive, Keep in contact and let me know if you actually get a response from them! I know.. the French have seriously upped their game over the past decade... unfortunately the germans are no longer the kings of reliability... I may look to Lexus next! I know their customer service is second to none and the marque has performed extremely well in the coveted JD power surveys over the past 30 years
@@Biorbboy Hi, Will do, Email sent and I will chase them for a response. Also issues with jerky power delivery and harsh gearbox response. Not brill for a £60K+ car. Had less problems with my TVR which is saying something!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All you have to do then is drill a hole in that plastic shield so it doesn't block the drain hole, unfortunately you don't show us exactly where the drain hole is that the water is coming from so I'm going to have to drop that plastic shield on mine to find out where the hole needs to be drilled.
Was this on the back left of the car, I found out my car 4 series convertible had water leakage issues when my sound system was becoming intermittent. I found out the back left in boot where the amp was had water in it. I soaked it with tissues and towel/hairdryer it so far has resolved it. But I’m sure water will come again so next week taking it to a specialist as official bmw charge £155 for investigation, then cost to fix which Iv heard is 1-2k. They offered goodwill but that was no guarentee. The technician found the fault but for a proper investigation wanted £155. No chance I’m paying that since uv shown me the problem and despite it just having a service. It’s a manufacturing fault! Where exactly were the screws and how did you take them out?
Hi Manvir, took them out with a hex screw. You'll see two black screws near the back tire, simply unscrew and pull the sill out towards yourself.
Yes the water had aggregated in the rear left quarter.
@Mr Fox Very shocking indeed. Corporate greed doesn't allow for recalls like this 🙄😡. Bmw should be ashamed
This has nothing to do with the window seals. It’s to do with an internal blocked gutter. For a permanent solution and maintenance guide please search RUclips for: BMW e93 boot water leak FIX or BMW e93 water ingress. These two videos will show you how to take out the drainage plug in the exact location shown in this video. Hope this helps you avoid the same problem in the future as it did mine.
This is an F33 though right, is the issue and fix the same?
Was the issue fixed permanently??? I have the back windows stuck, the roof not longer opening, amp blew up… and a lot of water 😡
@@maus_drummer Yes, it's been a good two years now since it happened. I took the plugs off permanently as I couldn't be bothered to put them back on knowing what the end result could be.🤷♂
Need to fix this horrific issue on mine as well!!!
Surely this amountbof water damaged electrics? Where was it accumulated? Rear seats area boot?
WANTED TO BYE ONE NOT NOW A GOOD FRIEND ADVISED DON'T👍 GLAD NOW WHEN I SEEN THAT VIDEO 🚗🌨☔🤣👍
Btw great channel 👍🏽
Thank you 😊
I just realized the same problem In my BMW 4 series. I opened up the screw covers but can't find the drain plug. Any idea where it is?
They said about 6 inches from the rear wheel well
Omg! I’ve just heard sloshing behind me on my 4 series convertible and hubby noticed a puddle from the front of the rear wheel area every time it was parked up on the drive even when it hadn’t been raining much I had this wet patch!!
So this must be it! I hope it’s not gone rusty inside? How can you check that?
Hi, unfortunately you won't know if it's rusted inside, however, I believe all the panels are galvanised so in theory shouldn't rust. Just drain the water and you should be all good.
All the best 😊
@@Biorbboy how do I stop it doing it again? 😬
@@jor662 read the thread below
Is ANY make of car immune from this-or similar-problem? It seems to plague all /nearly all marques, no matter how expensive.
OMG WE JUST PURCHASED A 2018 440i hardtop convertible!! WTF???
Yeah. Make sure you get this one checked out ASAP!
@@Biorbboy thanks, its a recent purchase so we're going to take it back
@@kennethwise7108 very good. Make sure it's got the proper work done on as youre under dealer warranty. I believe you can find instructions online.
@@Biorbboy we're going to get RID of this car. F that nonsense. This is Ridiculous...
The "Ultimate Leaking Machine"
@speedbird787 I have this same problem, took the two "screws out of the protective cladding and no water came out! But I can hear it sloshing. My amp is toast, there is a hole drilled in the bottom of the quarter panel from previous owner, i guess, but there is still water in the cavity. Did you do something else?
Hi mate, sorry to hear that. You'll have to remove the screws and give the lower sill a good wack with your hand then pull the lower side sill away from the body and lower the under tray. That should prove effective. If not you may need to physically clean out the drainage tubes with a old wire or something similar. Let me know how it goes.
Hi I think we have just had the same problem radio started to crackle then went blank no sound no screen was it an expensive fix?
Hello All, is this issue for f33 chassis only or does it happen for f32s as well? I'm just wondering cause its always raining here in vancouver.
I've had this problem. Water gushed out like a waterfall. Is there a permanent fix? Looks like I have to drain it out whenever there's a heavy downpour
I'm gonna leave my plug out.
I didnt know my bmw happen this cost me 1000 pound harmam kardon amplifier is gone its very stupit thinks did it
You have to fix the leak before you replace all the electronics 😣
6 minutes water ...20 litres ?
Don't know the flow rate so can't say exact quantity mate
I had a mechanic repair mine. If you need the company's details message me. Based in London.
Cost about £90
I recently bought one of these and am now faced with the same issue. Could I have name of the company you used please.
I would appreciate the name and telephone of your mechanic as i face the same issue with by 2018 420i(Grand coupe)
@@antoniosvasilellisneto379 bnw auto specialists in Ilford, east London
My F33 435d get the same issue after the storm dennis and ciara
Have you found a permanent solution? Ive removed the screws and pulled the sills away from the sub frame, seems to keep water accumulating.
Speedbird787 i follow your step and i just done in this afternoon and it take around 25 mins to drain all the water out
@@evaevaevahk happy to help 👍👍
Speedbird787 i search online, i think most of the people get the same issue with it, will need to check everytime after heavy rain🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
@@evaevaevahk I have checked now and then and can't see any water being retained in the frame as it did before. So hopefully fingers crossed stays that way. Need the weather to improve ASAP! lol
had a m4 comp convertible for only 2 months I noticed water dripping infront back wheel few days ago first thought is it petrol then when I rocked my side skirt the next day tiny puddle on floor etc had car cleaned then 2 days later same result water leaked on floor I could see dripping through screws holding side skirt on well now it’s going in bmw As can see the rear window seal is tiny bit loose as I ran cup water on window and can see don’t run off properly so bmw poor design with no exit holes and the window seal not tight enough I’ve got same problem.its crazy after I did some research how many people had this problem I’ve seen some crazy videos worst then this one even
It's terrible mate, yes some people having water literally gushing out. They should have sorted this out with a recall. Bloody ridiculous!
Speedbird787 fact I payed 37 grand for it only had biascally 2 months then found out this issue say it’s ridiculous is understatement you wouldn’t expect this problem.I’m just glad I’ve found out now and mine was only little bit water so hopefully after new seal and I tell them make hole won’t happen again as I’ve seen some bad videos this included
This movie is utterly useless! There are other movies about this issue actually explaining how to solve it, instead of a 6min video of water draining....
Brilliant video of water running out of a sill.... Absolutely bloody pointless.
Had the same, absolutely ridiculous design to have the side skirt and undercarriage completely blocking the water exit! Have done a video showing the fix if anyone is interested: ruclips.net/video/ERd_pRjs6Uw/видео.html
Great video buddy 👍🏼😎
@@Biorbboy thanks😁