@@scribeslendy595 hes very good at collecting his thoughts. Hes also not ashamed when hes mispeaks and corrects himself unlike every other youtuber with constant jump cuts.
Many Maori at the time as well as being multilingual international traders and travellers were more literate than the average English soldier. Mimicry had a long history in hunting and warfare for them as did psychological warfare. Maori tohunga schools taught astronomy, medicine and more. Pre European agricultural included seasonal movement between food sources, management of wild stocks to prevent, exchange of resources, and cultivated and engineered fields. designed to grow warmer climate crops in cold regions.
@@justintyme1171 thats where savage come to mind and with all that out the door @ x wifey thinking shes up there and all good stuff she will do in the community . ora vha chow
trueseeing ya u know what they say if u don't have moustache u gave no hope (though there r exeptions) what they needed was gandalph the great but black and loads of lumberjack zulus and many Chinese sensie moustaches
If you play them correctly, the Traditionalist buff let's you build some really powerful melee build, especially if you combine it with some AI exploits.
The Stoned Videogame Nerd lol. What happened? Did one of the brothers steal your mrs? Wait you are probably 11, in fact the Maori come from a people who were in Iron Age but reverted back to the Stone Age as there was a combination of lack of resources or lack of reason to need iron tools. To say that a people who could navigate between islands from America to Madagascar when Europeans were struggling to travel from France to England is hypocrisy. And knowing that the Polynesian people could sale to the America’s back to New Zealand via Hawaii is testimony to how brilliant us Maori are. We have Maori people throughout all forms of tertiary education and in all avenues of the workforce
It’s fascinating to note that even after they successfully defeat the Maori later, Cameron found the war extremely distasteful, and wished for it to end. He apparently found the Maori more courageous and chivalrous than the colonists he was there to defend.
I served in the NZ Infantry in the 70s and admired and respected my Maori comrades whose training cadre were incredibly tough, learned, intelligent and resilient. Kia kaha tatou. My father served five years in the 20th Armoured & Infantry Reg' in Italy and Egypt in WW2 and was a stretcher-bearer in the 28th Maori Battalion. He said that Maori bayonet charges were feared by the Italian and German enemy as Maori particularly relished it.
The lesser partner in ANZAC. Seems the Aussies have taken a lot of the glory. I guess you Kiwis are more modest, but more disciplined, as far as I've heared.....
@@thedumbdog1964 Imagine you were conscripted into the Wehrmacht 2 days ago and then suddenly you hear the LOUDEST haka ever and all the sudden the enemy start a massive charge
Tena koe Lindybeige. Nga mihi ki a koe mo to korero pangia tenei mahi rongonui o nga tupuna. Thank you LB. Thank you for presenting this talk about these famous deeds of our ancestors. I did enjoy hearing about Gate Pa again and in such a competent and balanced way. When your used to hearing your language and history get butchered by others, its was refreshing to hear your presentation. You have earned my loyal subscription. Cheers.
Please be aware that when he says "british" what he means is supporters/active participants/employees of the UK REGIME. The british are the indigenous habitants of the british isles who were just as poorly treated by the violent gangs of the regime as the mauris...just many many years previous.
Badger0fDeath 10:50, he said that he'd been taught that modern history started after the Congress of Vienna, after the French had just been stuffed. It's a little, throw-away line, but I find it hilarious.
Oh yeah, after they won, the Zulus were saying to themselves, we're sick of this land, let's give it to the guys we just beat in battle! Britain took Zulu territory, while the Zulus had early success, they lost in the end. Look it up
@Caligvla Caesar Incorrect. Maori were not outright cannibals, they only ate their enemies not for food but for respect as Maori thought that it would be a waste for a warrior to be eaten by worms. Maori lived in hilltop fortresses with Greenstone weaponry. Their written language were their carvings. While no domesticated animals they were advanced aquaculturalists and aviculturalists and they did indeed have cities, two infact being Kaiapoi and another I've forgetting the name of. The wheel doesn't justify savagery, the Inca and Aztecs didn't have the wheel yet they did pretty well for themselves. As for philosophy, well I'm not going to argue that cause it's quite apparent that they did posses that. So everything you said is just a misinformed, petty and ignorant comment. You need to research more.
LaughableSynonyms Precisely, for a relatively small set of islands in the corner of our conceptual globe, they did quite well for themselves. The main reason that continental cultures developed far faster was due to an abundance of varying people’s and cultures within trading/contact distance.
A lot of tribes on the Great Plains in a North America also invested heavily in guns, they recovered something like 42 different types of bullets and casings from the battlefield at Little Bighorn, compare that against the 2 types of firearms carried by the US Cavalry troopers at the same battle.
Not true bro it was difficult and illegal for maori to buy firearms since gun laws started here in 1840, firearms were purchased from mostly foreign whaling ships. Maori crudely manufactured there own bullets and gunpowder
Thanks for this Lindy. I wanted to add something about this battle regarding the Maori. There was a woman who extended her hand in aid to some of the fallen soldiers. This woman was the daughter of Paraone Koikoi and Matatu. Her name was Harata Te Auetu. During the night, she fretted for her uncles and her father who were engaged in the battle. She mounted her horse at Judea, and travelled alongside the kopurererua stream. She climbed up the stream and climbed up to Pukehinahina. But when she reached the other side of the river, she saw that the maori warriors had already escaped. When she arrived, she came across soldiers by the river who were injured from the battle. She took it upon herself to take them to the hospital. At the time the hospital was based at the home of Archdeacon Reverend Brown. Although she didn't even know their names, she managed to get one soldier upon her horse. By then it was daylight. She believed that if she were spotted with a soldier on her horse, they would be shot. So she took him home. She and her family nursed this soldier back to health. His name was David Hall. A few days after the battle, the British soldier returned to his infantry. But he eventually returned to the marae to ask for the hand of Harata in marriage. They then married. Such a beautiful story. An honorable act of compassion.
@@M4dM4n96 It definitely would. I can imagine it being an epic scene of battle mixed with bravery. Woman aren't nearly enough shown for the bravery they show. Yet, it most always comes down to bravado testosterone of the males.
so I'm a Maori boy living in New Zealand and this is really accurate and its good that someone actually uses accurate facts to show people that we arnt that boring hahahaha
As a rugby player (former, now i m too old) from Belgium I mvery familiar with the All Blacks and the Haka ... I also love the NZ band Alien alien weaponry (I recognized the language as soon as they they first appeared in my RUclips recommended playlist) ... I just know the Moari are not boring ...
I am a direct descendant of rehara wakatairoa who fought at gate pa and was seen yelling out British commands in a British accent it's said that he made 15 British soldiers come into a area were him and other Maori were waiting in ambush when they got close enough they got mowed down..his deeds are rembered in songs today
*I wonder if back in those days you could fuck with enemy artillerymen by building things to weird scales (e.g. 3-foot-high dummies) so they'd miscalculate distances.*
Lloyd! If you are being held hostage by French agents forcing you to cover British military failure all of a sudden, blink twice with your left eye in the next video to signal for help!!!!
Lindy, as a Kiwi, thank you very much for covering this sadly little known kind of history! Not enough kiwis know about the New Zealand Land Wars but they should for the military strategy and technology shown is amazing. Point of note: The wars from 1807 to 1842 are the Musket Wars (inter tribal) and the later wars from 1845 to 1872 are the NZ Land Wars (british and tribal allies vs māori) Pronunciation: Toe--wron-nga. The first two a's become long sounds closer to o.
Fully agree - even in NZ this part of history tends to gets brushed over. I thought the same thing about Lindy's pronunciation of Tauranga, but having looked at the Wiki for this page, the old diagrams and notes about this battle refer to "TeRanga" not Tauranga. I think that was just what pakeha used to call Tauranga, so i guess Lindy has simply used an older book referring to this battle.
You are fantastic, a sort of historical Kenny Everett! I was born in Tauranga, live in Hamilton, and am moving to the UK next year. The first paper I took at university was the New Zealand Wars, and as part of our assessment, General Sir Duncan Cameron (portrayed by our lecturer, complete with Highland accent) was put on a mock trial for misconduct in the Battle of Gate Pa. The class was divided into two - prosecution and defense, with 'lawyers' elected from each group. This all took place at the Tauranga Courthouse! He was found Not Guilty, by the way :-). Happily subscribed!
How is it that I have despised school (especially subjects like history that seemed to be extraordinarily boring) for my entire life yet I’m willing to sit here and learn about something basically useless from some random dude on the internet for 30 minutes?
Public education is more about teaching the masses than learning specifics. History classes here were all about the Australian gold rush, the explorers, etc., nothing about the Hundred Years war, or how the Mongols learned the hard way that they were fucked the minute they stepped into the kingdoms of Java.
Good video! My uncle is generally considered the main authority on Gate Pa, I work with him as a cultural consultant to Tauranga City council. I'll be sure to show him this video, if he hasn't already seen it, I'm sure he would be quite happy to see that this rather significant part of New Zealand history is being told around the world in such a concise manner. :)
Whose your uncle ehoa , you cultural consultants are a waste of money and hinder the progress of the rest of us . Ive 'worked' with ngati whatua up in auckland and appalled with the bs and corruption hat goes on up here under the fake authority of cultural mana whenua. aka cultural arrogance just creating a lucritive money train for tribal elites. pukana.
As someone of Maori descent, this is incredibly well done. My ancestors and family are warriors and I am proud to say we still practice many of our marshal traditions. It's incredible to see interest in Maori history, not many people know it, except for "British come in etc" when there is more to it than that, there is so much history there. The history of this country is just one tragedy and misunderstanding after another. Might I add your pronunciation of Maori words was pretty good, better than most non-Maori speaking RUclipsrs, a few mistakes but you did your best.
Clearly you have studied your history of the Roman invasion of Britian based on the writings of the contemporary gallic druid from a small village of indomitable gauls.
They're main characters. The red shirts thing is kinda like in medieval if you're wearing helmets and are not a main character, you're the first one to die.
I wish my teachers had been like this in school. this man is very well spoken, and manages to keep everything exciting. even the most mundane details....
racist boo. they actually used alot of tactics to get to their enemies, they also adopted the rifles and they did actually dig trenches, and they established a way of communication between the chieftains and the soldiers. they also used the bull strategy with the head, the horns and the loin very well, also much better with the short knives or spears.
Many thanks for not spoiling the scholar's cradle outcome. Takes the excitement right out of it for me when I know what happens. Honestly, whatever the Great Courses Plus are paying you, it isn't enough.
"They just didn't have the moustaches" Lindybeige Nov 2017 Also google spellchecker, how dare you try to correct with American English on this channel :P
As far as I know it's the browser doing the spellchecking, not RUclips. But perhaps your browser is from Google as well? Don't you have an option to add another language? I just (finally!) managed to add "English (British)" to Firefox. The option they used to have just never worked.
You have been my favorite youtuber for as long as I can remember and videos like this is an exemplary example as to why, Fantastic job! I may add that I am British Maori, I was born and raised in Berkshire but my fathers side of the family comes from the Ngti Awa tribe in Whakatane which is beside Tauranga, along the coast. When ever we go back home there is always talk of this battle even today and you're video is fantastic at representing both British and Maori people in an honorable objective manor!
is it clear, that the pole with the flag was bad luck? The Maori clearly where quite familiar with how artillary works. Perhaps, they put it there on purpuse.
They certainly did. What did the Maori need a flag pole for? And if they really wanted a flag, why was it far behind the actual fortification? That was no accident or luck. They gave the artillery something that looked so incredible useful that nobody gave its intent a second thought.
I have never come across any evidence that it was deliberate, but it isn't impossible. The commander of the British would still have been unlucky that the CO of his artillery used the flag as an aiming point.
The way you told the story, I assumed that to has been standard procedure. If so, that would make it an angle of manipulation. If it was on purpose, that would make the Maori plan even more badass.
When I was at uni it was suggested that as the defenders were familiar with the British practice of placing their flag pole toward the centre of their encampments and had on occasion adopted this custom themselves, for example at Ohaeawai Pa, that the positioning was most likely a deliberate attempt at misdirection.
Thanks for doing this video Lindy! Hori Ngatai (who fought in this battle and is known for reciting this story) was my great great great grandfather direct line from eldest son to eldest son. His father was also one of the members who signed the Waitangi Treaty that finally unified New Zealand. I've always liked the story of Gate Pah, my ancestors were bad ass apparently! Don't stress about the PC police... some people have poles in their backsides.
My problem it's spelt incorrectly and there's is no need to remain ignorant in 2018. the book he quoted was printed between 1900-1910. Maori have been exposed to the written word due to the introduction of the bible and the missionaries during the early 1800s. Note: Literacy, in particular, became extremely popular among Māori. By 1842 most Māori aged between 10 and 30 could read and write their own language, a higher literacy rate than in the non-Māori population. You drip of the same ignorance and disrespect that lost the british this battle :) teara.govt.nz/en/maori-pakeha-relations/page-2
mb1968nz so how do you think Pa was spelt, by Maori themselves, in 1842? Because I’ve also seen it written as “Pah”. I use the usual Pa spelling myself - but my point is both are “correct” if you’re trying to be picky. People at that time both British and Maori were just making up the spelling as they went, because Maori didn’t have their own writing previously. I don’t think use of the older spellings necessarily makes somebody ignorant
The passion this man has for history makes it a lot more fun to watch. I really enjoy this channel, i thought I knew quite a bit about history. This teaches me about things I have never heard of. Keep up the fantastic work my friend.
Want to talk about asymmetrical, just cover the terrible defeat of the Australian Army in the great Emu War. Though those wounds are long past and the Emus now help fight the Drop Bear menace!
My grandfather was a veteran of that terrible war, he didn't like to talk about it much but anytime he had a bit much xmas egg nog he would open up just a little.He's ok now but when his feather doona rips it all comes flooding back and when one of soft grey bastards struts arrogantly across the road in front of the car his eyes glaze over and his foot presses a bit harder on the accelerator
TheTaterTotP80 And they taste pretty good. What a waste of emu meat that was, I don’t think a single Australian soldier ate emu flesh during the entire war, even though they had like 900 emu corpses to work with. Albeit these corpses were full of bullets.
Tom Stafford yea I did realise that ☺ all good ,some people take u tube videos far to seriously .have u read some of the comments below. In a different some of these guys would be slapping each wth gloves before pulling pistols on each other 😈
If I had to choose between fighting a Maori or a Gurkha, with my 14 years martial arts experience, at least a passing familiarity with most weapons, both modern and antiquated, and a fair understanding and respect of their cultures; I think I'd choose to wander off into the woods until I found a bear with cubs and fight her instead. Much better odds.
WW2 German #1: Well, der Tommies are here WW2 German #2: Eh, we can handle them WW2 German #1: They have Scots, Maori, and Gurkhas. WW2 German #2: (cries)
Kia Ora from Aotearoa, I am a Māori, just popping in to see an international interpretation of what happened here to our ancestors. Thank you! I easpecially appreciate the humor. Ngā mihi!
Tiger Claw252 If it wasn't for the French (and the two other countries that Britain was fighting at the time in addition to trying to suppress the rebellion). The revolutionaries could not and would not have succeeded, the British after all won nearly every battle in that theater. That was until requirements for reinforcing other theaters of war lend to the situation becoming untenable in the Americas. Learn some history before you go around making a fool out of yourself. 'American patriotism' ha more like the opportunism of other countries.
It could be worse we named a fort after General Custer here in the US. Custer lost the battle of Little Big Horn against the Native Americans. He ignored his scout reports and ran into a force double his size and still tried to fight them. It did not end well for him or his men.
Incredible courage and staunch- heartedness is not just a British attribute and actions like Rorke's Drift were fought by many other soldiers/ warriors of other nations and people - as Lindy once again shows us in his brilliant style. Such lesser known actions deserve to be brought out of dusty, seldom read history books to show people that bravery is a human characteristic and not only bestowed upon a few specific nations. For example, I have just read that during the Peninsular War a company sized unit of French soldiers (about 150 men) held off an attack by a force Spanish Guerillas numbering thousands for a whole day and night, an event I for one had never heard of before.
My ancestors were involved in this battle against the British.They were also involved in another battle where the British were withdrawing for lack of ammunition.The chief sent a warrior over to see if they wanted to borrow some ammo as the fight was just getting good !
Are the Maori real life Orcs? Because both have so many similarities in culture and view of the world that I would not be surprised the Maori inspired the creation of the Orcs.
@@Jamhael1 Orcs are from Angle and Saxon pre-Christian mythology, so perhaps not. Although, every fantasy franchise has a slightly different spin on Orcs, so maybe you can find one in particular that's as close to your idea as you like.
Within one generation New Zealand formed a special force of their own and have been trouncing the British (73% of the time), and the rest of the world, ever since. The All Blacks.
ginganutjob : I didn't say anything about the French winning - they are the greatest whiners tho-
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+Charles Wood I'm not in love with the French or anything. But in my experience they're anything BUT whiners; they're pretty proactive and get-up-and-go. The English and New Zealanders are both bad for whinging though...
pretty good actually. more people play rugby in britain too, and aus and france and the us and japan and south africa. hows briain doing at soccer lately?
LB is so easy to follow, he has a really smooth way about him. Very cool synopsis and well condensed conclusions about the battle, its disparities, and similarities of forces. So many people following, and of course the particular topics LB chooses, make me feel so much less alienated and odd. I am in to what he posts about, always informative. LB rocks, and this vid about maori was particularly cool.
Yeah it's the moustache, why do you think the germans held out against the british for so long in both world wars? Everyone else didn't figure it out until it was too late...the europeans knew how to win wars, they did.
I was born and raised in Tauranga. They hold a memorial service every year for the battle of gate pā. Would be interested in hearing about the battle/“massacre” that happened 7 weeks later near Pyes Pā
Kia ora, there is a 3 part video with more information on the battle and history of Tauranga. Tauranga Moana Elders tell the history of Mauao, part 1 by Kihi Ngatai and part 2 and 3 by my Koro Hauata Paama.
The signoff joke made me smile because there's a comic book titled Asterix in Britain in which Julius Cesar does just that, attacking the Brits at tea time and during the weekends.
Balderdash we brought them to a rifle and artillery fight the Maori just didn't play fair. another version how the hell did you lose to those primitives there tec advatage.
The “Lee Enfield bolt action Rifle” is an entirely different firearm that was not invented for another 30 years (1895). you are thinking of the “Enfield Pattern 1853 rifle-musket”
Lindy makes the best ads. Let it be known. This one had me laughing at multiple points. And I watched the whole thing which is much longer than it needs to be (I think most companies just require a minute) but Lindy's are so animated and personal. Always a treat
@@jaceacekalgoorlie I can't say for sure, since Samoa and Aotearoa have their differences, but in the precolonial Samoa (and as I suspect, Aotearoa/New Zealand) language was largely oral with no phonetic written form. Histories were non-orally kept through logologo and tatau but post colonization they developed a Latin written form. That's why we use Latin script, because our traditional forms of writing were deemed as backwards and unlearned, and reduced to niche artwork instead of the language of a people.
I wasn't going to do that Great Courses trial, but once you mentioned that the professor did INDEED wear an acceptable amount of beige, I jumped on that opportunity!
People don't know this, but the British Empire actually only disassembled itself after a Brit visiting Paris saw a Frenchman with a British moustache. The Britstache immediately because uncool, and everyone packed up and went home in outrage.
"Socking great big bits of ironmongery and explosiveness." This is my first Lindybeige video. After I heard this, I was sold. Also, Duncan Cameron bears a startling resemblance to Duane Allman.
Lindy has the best military history channel on RUclips in my opinion. Although I would watch a 45 minute long video of nothing but lindy's 3 minute ads patched together as a single video hes such a good storyteller
A really bad ass metal band of Maori kids made a song about this battle since their ancestor died in the battle. It's called rū ana te whenua and I highly recommend giving it a listen
That. Is. Wonderful. Full credit to the Maori. That is the kind of brilliant yet simple genius that one can only think of if you are trying to bridge such a tech gap. Well played
People stopped spelling it pah because it's a Polynesian language, so ending on a consonant just looks wrong, even if it's not actually pronounced that way.
Hi Loyd! I was wondering if you could talk about coattails. Or any long, drapey cloth covering the legs throughout history. So many uniforms and outfits have had things like trench coats, drapes, and skirts. It seems that around the 1940's is when many western nations started to abandon long coattails in military gear although the germans famously had a lot of attire that featured it. It seems like something that could potentially snag or hinder mobility in many cases. What do you have to say? COATTAILS!
To be perhaps a tad pedantic, the American Revolution was also a civil war. A great many Americans were Loyalists and voluntarily fought for their King.
@@jseagull8483 quite true there was an aspect of civil warfare present, but by the time you capitalize the title, the American Civil War was a specific war in the 1860s that had very little to do with Britain.
You forgot to mention the most interesting point of the Maori wars, It only came to an end once world war 1 started. The NZ government had to come to an arrangement with the Maori so they could instead focus its troops at Europe. Also can you do a video on the Maori who fought in World war 1 and how the Germans feared them and respected them. One account of the Maori in WW1. Some of them crept across no mans land in the middle of the night and entered a German trench, where they proceeded to use their Patu to smash in the German skulls. They then withdrew and the next day the Germans could not contact their troops so sent reinforcements and found them all dead, this caused a lot of fear and demoralized the germans. Hitler also feared and respected the Maori during WW2, as he had heard the horror stories of his fellow country men during the first world war.
Dan... yep, would like to see more stuff relating to Maori during WW1. Also, a word or two about WW2, especially the guys during the siege of Monte Cassino monastery, in Italy. I've heard that when ordered to attack, they hauled half way up the mountain, stripped to the waist and did a Haka, before continuing their advance.
Plus the Boer wars aswell, The Medal 🏅 that were given to veterans of the Boer War, Had the United Tribes Flag Ensign inscribed as the medals centre piece "1899".
Great video. So much of our history here in NZ is being re-written in the all-to-familiar "goodies vs baddies" narrative that is, to put it as kindly as I can, utter horseshit. The various "Maori Wars" period is complex and fascinating and there were a lot more than two "sides" involved. Nor were they all "rebellions". Over 500 chiefs signed the Treaty of Waitangi (1840) that gave full British citizenship to all Maori, ostensibly making everyone "equal" at least in the eyes of the law. Much, or at least some, of the unrest was not aimed at overthrowing British rule as much as it was anger that the Treaty was not being honoured properly. Certainly some of it was the inevitable result of telling a tribal, warrior class, "You can't fight anymore but don't worry, you can go to the Police if something crops up" and thinking that would work. Thanks for this. I hope our history is being accurately preserved somewhere, even if it isn't here, where it belongs. PS: "Tauranga" is pronounced TOW (like 'how' or 'cow') RONG (like 'song') A. Tow - rong - a Cheers.
It's funny how the Maori were and still are some of the best soldiers in the world, alongside the Scottish Highlanders and the Nepalese Gurkhas, and that all three of those peoples fought at one time against and then for Britain (or England), with great loyalty and bravery.
Your missing the English, Welsh and Irish from that list, or would you deny their achievements? Rorke's Drift was fought by a Welsh regiment. Wellington was an Irishman. The English fought in all regiments forming the core of the what was to become Britain, and might I add they defeated the Scottish in almost every war that was fought between Scotland and England before both countries saw sense and came together under mutual agreement.
English Welsh and Irish are all well put together soldiers, and just as fierce under the right leadership. May I state though, Rorke's Drift was a defeat being that Hubris it seems got the better of their commanders. The only victory was back at their supply depot/Hospital where a handful of men were led by an engineer and his subordinate, even THEN the Zulu could have over run them just by sheer numbers, but instead saluted them as fellow warriors/braves. When the English occupied Scotland during the 13th century the Scots rebelled and fought back their oppressors, reclaiming their lands so not EVERY war was won against the Scots. But like you said, both countries came together under mutual agreement. I'd just like to point out as well, (having English, Scots, Welsh and Maori heritage) that the Maori nation were also paid a great compliment by one of the most revered field marshals during WWII by Erwin Rommel stating that if he had 12 divisions of the Maori Battalion he could conquer the world. The German letters back to loved ones who encountered the Maori in Africa ALSO state how much they feared and respected them. Another German commander also compared the Maori Battalion to be the modern day Spartans of the new world. However you wouldn't see that now if you were to walk among our streets today. None the less, deep down our Mana (power/strength) and warrior is still very much present in our nature, and will to this day challenge any who threatens our land here in Aotearoa aka New Zealand.
The only exception was first and second WWR when germans troops, in Europa, and Japanese in Asia quite defeated British army. Now, don’t understand me wrong, I don’t intend to offending UK army, but unfortunately this is historic true.
Ovidiu Kilingher True, the axis (except the italians) had many successes against the British in the early war, but the British did quite well in the late war with the notable exception of Market Garden. Certainly British and Indian troops inflicted two of the greatest land defeats against the Japanese at the Indian border area. Regarding the first world war, the British did very well, I would say. They fought some brilliant actions against Germans in the early war with their small professional force, they adapted to large scale continental warfare, defeated the kaiserslacht at Amiens, and invented the tank which went on to be vital to breaking the stalemate.
Hi Lindybeige, I love this story and you tell it well. You said a bit about Maori having great sapping abilities. It's a while ago now but I think I remember one of my history professors at saying that trench warfare originated in Aotearoa. The Great War could have gone quite differently if if if ....
I have to wonder if this experience gave the british some advantage in the timeframe for getting into the right mindset for effective trench building half a century later.
Baltazar Vok They were savage, all the best troops are, in the heat of battle. The Maori were also cannibals at that time, which would have an impression on any attacking force.
cannibals? there were no cannibals at this point, that or a very very small amount like 3% maybe, get your facts right please you may have read about this somewhere but that would have been based around times 400 years before the basis of this video
End times? I’ve lived through the end of the world (as prophesied by holy people) so many times I can’t remember. How can they be so wrong, so many times? Their god must be a joke. Listen to the scientists ffs, they will give you a list of real issues that need sorting out.
say whatever you want about lindy, the fact that he does 30 minute videos talking the whole time in one shot is damn impressive
30 minutes is a skirmish for him at the point. Now he's doing full on campaigns with his videos
Wait why doesn't he do multiple takes
@@scribeslendy595 because he doesn't need to
I sat through a 2 hour vid of him in one take and didn’t notice 2 hours had gone by
@@scribeslendy595 hes very good at collecting his thoughts. Hes also not ashamed when hes mispeaks and corrects himself unlike every other youtuber with constant jump cuts.
Somehow it's deadly funny to think of a Maori warrior taunting English soldiers in English with, "Go on then have another go."
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Many Maori at the time as well as being multilingual international traders and travellers were more literate than the average English soldier. Mimicry had a long history in hunting and warfare for them as did psychological warfare. Maori tohunga schools taught astronomy, medicine and more. Pre European agricultural included seasonal movement between food sources, management of wild stocks to prevent, exchange of resources, and cultivated and engineered fields. designed to grow warmer climate crops in cold regions.
Or they be shouting come on try it again while I sip my tea hahaha
+shotguns!
so in us,"Go on then Have another go", 2020, go on then have another go....
"How many Maori were there?"
"Enough."
@@gregorybathurst7171 your Mrs done u over quite well by the sounds of it lmao
@@justintyme1171 thats where savage come to mind and with all that out the door @ x wifey thinking shes up there and all good stuff she will do in the community . ora vha chow
@@justintyme1171 whos laughing now the xmrs that thinks she did ok and some moron lhfao what you laughing at ! it may be you need take a second job
They tried to wipe out all our Maori people and they almost succeeded
@@juanita7562 We are survivor s.
1700 men being on a trek in 1900s nz? It's a formidable force even now in nz... I cant even get 1 bro to come to the dairy with me
Haha lol
What the fucks a dairy?
@@SwadianKnight101 it's a small local shop like the corner store usually owned by a Indian or Chinese lol
Because you know what happens if you leave you scooter outside
@@snigie1 nek minute
"The Zulus just didn't have the moustaches"....
*Britishness intensifies*
harumphing
Humperdinck
Balhoggen
Oh wait, y’alls are real words aren’t they?
😂
It's true the Zulu's struggled to compete on the mustache front.
Alexander Kerensky
The Sergeant Major made up for the rest of the command.
Think you mean "Colour Sergeant Bourne" There was no Sgt Major at Rorke's Drift.
Francis Wright
Thanks for the correction.
trueseeing ya u know what they say if u don't have moustache u gave no hope (though there r exeptions) what they needed was gandalph the great but black and loads of lumberjack zulus and many Chinese sensie moustaches
Colour Sergeant was also the youngest Colour Sergeant in the army.
I prefer "culture who didn't spec into the gunpowder tree"
If you play them correctly, the Traditionalist buff let's you build some really powerful melee build, especially if you combine it with some AI exploits.
they actually do. just look at the balkans
+RAVA Corey
I mean they had double barreled shotguns, so they were at least partway into the gunpowder tree.
Actually, it is rarely the case, just what happens is you have many scuffles over each more recent events that stretch thousands of years.
The Stoned Videogame Nerd lol. What happened? Did one of the brothers steal your mrs? Wait you are probably 11, in fact the Maori come from a people who were in Iron Age but reverted back to the Stone Age as there was a combination of lack of resources or lack of reason to need iron tools. To say that a people who could navigate between islands from America to Madagascar when Europeans were struggling to travel from France to England is hypocrisy. And knowing that the Polynesian people could sale to the America’s back to New Zealand via Hawaii is testimony to how brilliant us Maori are. We have Maori people throughout all forms of tertiary education and in all avenues of the workforce
"but he got the town of hamilton named after him" trust me, that is no honour
lol chur
dont talk shit about the tron bro. one outs g square up
I_360_No_scoped_JFK what it’s known for
@@RATSALLCAPS bro ctch me at kura kfc 2nite, gt a 1/2 eaten snck box and free hidin 4 u tena kuay
@@cinderblock4438 why you being heavy on the bro eah, falas just defending his hood.
It’s fascinating to note that even after they successfully defeat the Maori later, Cameron found the war extremely distasteful, and wished for it to end. He apparently found the Maori more courageous and chivalrous than the colonists he was there to defend.
Cameron might have found war distasteful but the Maori found their defeated enemies very tastful. Pass the salt old boy.
@@eardwulf785 cannibalization had pretty much ended by then
@@mattyallen3396
Just a light hearted joke Matty. I have a lot of respect for the Maori culture.
I thought the british didn't defeat the maori
@@boiifyoudont2952 Not in this battle, but they won the war
So, when are you going to do the decent thing, and adopt the standard issue British army mustache? You're not on a U-boat, you know.
Squire hi squire
I say someone should start a crowd fund to have Lindybeige shave and grow a proper handlebar
Squire How come im not surprised to see you here
Now the Royal Navy isn't so found of the face caterpillar by itself, full beard or no hair at all.
Found someone more british than you Squire ?
The last time I was this early, the British still had an aircraft carrier with planes on it.
Bismarck - Military Aviation History you arent wrong but why remind us
*sips tea for comfort*
Last time I was this early German spent a decade trying to build an aircraft carrier only to give up and let the Soviets use it for target practice.
I AM ALIVE !!!!! You are an idiot. The UK when it was the head of empire was extremely multicultural.
Come on, be fair. It's still undergoing sea trials.
I served in the NZ Infantry in the 70s and admired and respected my Maori comrades whose training cadre were incredibly tough, learned, intelligent and resilient. Kia kaha tatou. My father served five years in the 20th Armoured & Infantry Reg' in Italy and Egypt in WW2 and was a stretcher-bearer in the 28th Maori Battalion. He said that Maori bayonet charges were feared by the Italian and German enemy as Maori particularly relished it.
The lesser partner in ANZAC. Seems the Aussies have taken a lot of the glory. I guess you Kiwis are more modest, but more disciplined, as far as I've heared.....
I’d shit my soul out
@@thedumbdog1964 Imagine you were conscripted into the Wehrmacht 2 days ago and then suddenly you hear the LOUDEST haka ever and all the sudden the enemy start a massive charge
Kena koe e hoa
A very lovely story🙏
@@juwebles4352 I mean you'd just open fire with the MG-42.
Tena koe Lindybeige. Nga mihi ki a koe mo to korero pangia tenei mahi rongonui o nga tupuna.
Thank you LB. Thank you for presenting this talk about these famous deeds of our ancestors.
I did enjoy hearing about Gate Pa again and in such a competent and balanced way. When your used to hearing your language and history get butchered by others, its was refreshing to hear your presentation.
You have earned my loyal subscription. Cheers.
Hey my pee pee hurts wlare you te roopo
Ae bro
only the best got sent into the 'final' war of empires, hence why we are still lacking to this day. Republic Aotearoa Zealand
Please be aware that when he says "british" what he means is supporters/active participants/employees of the UK REGIME. The british are the indigenous habitants of the british isles who were just as poorly treated by the violent gangs of the regime as the mauris...just many many years previous.
so butchered
This would make a pretty good war movie.
Jeffery Liggett there is a movie that takes place during the New Zealand Wars and it is called The River Queen.
There is a film called Utu which covers a period of the New Zealand Wars - www.imdb.com/title/tt0086497/
A good project for Peter Jackson and co maybe.
Good god NO, he will make it a trilogy and introduce an Elf chick !
So humor was not part of your NZ military training ?
The moustache is a grossly underestimated tool in war. About time it was recognised
Imagine if the Maori had moustaches and fancy uniforms! They'd have been unstoppable.
And Flags!
Sheldon Cooper would definitely agree with you. These guys had some good ol' Fun With Flags.
tigermunky
And crenellated contextual pommels.
😉
Agnarr Salventius I cant believe no one commented about how orgasmic this statement is.
"go on then have on have another go!" as a blindside flanker that played against some predominately Maori teams this gives me severe ptsd
Should verse us in a eating competitions 😂💀
@@davidsavelio6492 first armed combat trainer in the aus army was Maori
Where do you think the All Blacks got it from?
Lloyd's casual animosity to the French always amuses me.
It's like Romanians and Hungarians just without the murders.
It's like if the Hundred Years' War was a tennis match.
It’s the stress of facing the French coast day by day
Its traditional.
Badger0fDeath
10:50, he said that he'd been taught that modern history started after the Congress of Vienna, after the French had just been stuffed.
It's a little, throw-away line, but I find it hilarious.
So that's why Zulus lost in the end
**Shakes Head**
*They just didn't have the moustaches*
They uhm.. Didn't lose.
Oh yeah, after they won, the Zulus were saying to themselves, we're sick of this land, let's give it to the guys we just beat in battle!
Britain took Zulu territory, while the Zulus had early success, they lost in the end.
Look it up
@@gfoog3911 You can take their land, but you can never take their freedom!
Ok then? I'm American, not British anyhow, so my country didn't colonize 'em.
@@gfoog3911 Haha I'm just bein' a cunny funt, dw mate, you are indeed correct.
As a new Zealand Maori I prefer Savage.
Having met Maori's I can confirm you lot are pretty fucking savage. Never heard banter like it.
It does sound pretty badass, befitting of Maori Badasses xD
@Caligvla Caesar Incorrect. Maori were not outright cannibals, they only ate their enemies not for food but for respect as Maori thought that it would be a waste for a warrior to be eaten by worms. Maori lived in hilltop fortresses with Greenstone weaponry. Their written language were their carvings. While no domesticated animals they were advanced aquaculturalists and aviculturalists and they did indeed have cities, two infact being Kaiapoi and another I've forgetting the name of. The wheel doesn't justify savagery, the Inca and Aztecs didn't have the wheel yet they did pretty well for themselves. As for philosophy, well I'm not going to argue that cause it's quite apparent that they did posses that.
So everything you said is just a misinformed, petty and ignorant comment. You need to research more.
LaughableSynonyms Precisely, for a relatively small set of islands in the corner of our conceptual globe, they did quite well for themselves. The main reason that continental cultures developed far faster was due to an abundance of varying people’s and cultures within trading/contact distance.
@@Condobius Not to mention...
...METAL.
The Maori had some brilliant commanders. That trap is a nightmare scenario, and it's a wonder any British troops survived at all.
The Maoris were one of the few native populations that invested heavily into guns for their forces.
Like the rest of us, we where all less boring in the past then we are now
A lot of tribes on the Great Plains in a North America also invested heavily in guns, they recovered something like 42 different types of bullets and casings from the battlefield at Little Bighorn, compare that against the 2 types of firearms carried by the US Cavalry troopers at the same battle.
Not true bro it was difficult and illegal for maori to buy firearms since gun laws started here in 1840, firearms were purchased from mostly foreign whaling ships. Maori crudely manufactured there own bullets and gunpowder
@@admiralgoodboy thank you brother.
Indeed. Not only smallarms, but artillery as well.
Thanks for this Lindy. I wanted to add something about this battle regarding the Maori.
There was a woman who extended her hand in aid to some of the fallen soldiers. This woman was the daughter of Paraone Koikoi and Matatu. Her name was Harata Te Auetu. During the night, she fretted for her uncles and her father who were engaged in the battle. She mounted her horse at Judea, and travelled alongside the kopurererua stream. She climbed up the stream and climbed up to Pukehinahina. But when she reached the other side of the river, she saw that the maori warriors had already escaped. When she arrived, she came across soldiers by the river who were injured from the battle. She took it upon herself to take them to the hospital. At the time the hospital was based at the home of Archdeacon Reverend Brown. Although she didn't even know their names, she managed to get one soldier upon her horse. By then it was daylight. She believed that if she were spotted with a soldier on her horse, they would be shot. So she took him home. She and her family nursed this soldier back to health. His name was David Hall. A few days after the battle, the British soldier returned to his infantry. But he eventually returned to the marae to ask for the hand of Harata in marriage. They then married.
Such a beautiful story. An honorable act of compassion.
That would be a fantastic premise for a movie
@@M4dM4n96 It definitely would. I can imagine it being an epic scene of battle mixed with bravery. Woman aren't nearly enough shown for the bravery they show. Yet, it most always comes down to bravado testosterone of the males.
@@ewartward damn right!
Courage and compassion are sorely lacking nowadays, both in media and irl.
This is a story if war. No time to read about whatever women where doing. Twidling their thumbs
The Halls are my family.
so I'm a Maori boy living in New Zealand and this is really accurate and its good that someone actually uses accurate facts to show people that we arnt that boring hahahaha
People very well might think kiwis as a whole or boring, but I've never heard anything of the sort about the Maori lol
Yo I saw the all blacks do a haka in person. It gave me shivers and sweats. I wasn’t even playing them
As a rugby player (former, now i m too old) from Belgium I mvery familiar with the All Blacks and the Haka ... I also love the NZ band Alien alien weaponry (I recognized the language as soon as they they first appeared in my RUclips recommended playlist) ... I just know the Moari are not boring ...
You're the only Maori who's boring
I am a direct descendant of rehara wakatairoa who fought at gate pa and was seen yelling out British commands in a British accent it's said that he made 15 British soldiers come into a area were him and other Maori were waiting in ambush when they got close enough they got mowed down..his deeds are rembered in songs today
Ushh.
Can you make a video where you sing it, possibly with English subtitles?
proud heritage
That's not cricket old boy...
You're proud of that?
As a New Zealander I thank you for covering a very much not covered much at all
Cody Dockerty what do you say Tauranga!?
Hello, fellow countryman
Good morning lads
Reporting in
I grew up near Gate Pa.
I hope he covers more of the land war stuff in future.
*I wonder if back in those days you could fuck with enemy artillerymen by building things to weird scales (e.g. 3-foot-high dummies) so they'd miscalculate distances.*
That sounds difficult to pull off but also hilarious.
Now I want to see a Lloyd video about that...
leadfoot9x Ye Olde Trolls
the double barrel shotgun finally gets its moment of glory
lets not forget its other moment of glory when newton knight started a militia regiment with a few double barrels against the confederacy.
I'm in Hawaii and when you said it is actually called "Gate Pā", I was like Ohhhhhhh. Pā, of course, means "wall" throughout Polynesia.
While it's true that pa is a colloquialism for wall in Samoa it's much more commonly referred to as a puipui
Pa is pretty much just a plot of land that has been bordered off in Maori
For Māori it means fort
@Ujuani Abelsen That's very interesting.
Yes in Tongan we say 'A which means wall like 'a maka "rock wall"
We're lucky Hitler's mustache was so short.
And everybody is lucky Stalin didn't grow his out any further.
What a confusing profile image :L
I think everyone had the misfortune of him growing it out as far as he did.
As a Zulu would you rather have a mustache or a big dick?
Who wants a mustache ride?!
Lloyd! If you are being held hostage by French agents forcing you to cover British military failure all of a sudden, blink twice with your left eye in the next video to signal for help!!!!
Hogh hogh hoghh! beije du lindee iz not a hostaage! sacre bleu!
Carbon 12 😂😂😂😂
gotta throw a dog a bone once in a while, takes the sting out of getting conquered.
Lindy, as a Kiwi, thank you very much for covering this sadly little known kind of history! Not enough kiwis know about the New Zealand Land Wars but they should for the military strategy and technology shown is amazing. Point of note: The wars from 1807 to 1842 are the Musket Wars (inter tribal) and the later wars from 1845 to 1872 are the NZ Land Wars (british and tribal allies vs māori)
Pronunciation: Toe--wron-nga. The first two a's become long sounds closer to o.
I live in Waiuku and not that far from where I live is the site of a battle from the musket wars.
Fully agree - even in NZ this part of history tends to gets brushed over. I thought the same thing about Lindy's pronunciation of Tauranga, but having looked at the Wiki for this page, the old diagrams and notes about this battle refer to "TeRanga" not Tauranga. I think that was just what pakeha used to call Tauranga, so i guess Lindy has simply used an older book referring to this battle.
Also the g is silent
the battle of Gate Pa isnt that looked over, every year theres a sizable memorial in tga.
Technically it isn't. The G in "nga" helps shape the sound differently than if it were actually a silent letter.
You are fantastic, a sort of historical Kenny Everett! I was born in Tauranga, live in Hamilton, and am moving to the UK next year. The first paper I took at university was the New Zealand Wars, and as part of our assessment, General Sir Duncan Cameron (portrayed by our lecturer, complete with Highland accent) was put on a mock trial for misconduct in the Battle of Gate Pa. The class was divided into two - prosecution and defense, with 'lawyers' elected from each group. This all took place at the Tauranga Courthouse! He was found Not Guilty, by the way :-). Happily subscribed!
God I remember Kenny everet 😂
"He wears an acceptable amount of beige." Lol
Lol... At least HE WEARS IT WELL!!! 😂😂😂
How is it that I have despised school (especially subjects like history that seemed to be extraordinarily boring) for my entire life yet I’m willing to sit here and learn about something basically useless from some random dude on the internet for 30 minutes?
Public education is more about teaching the masses than learning specifics. History classes here were all about the Australian gold rush, the explorers, etc., nothing about the Hundred Years war, or how the Mongols learned the hard way that they were fucked the minute they stepped into the kingdoms of Java.
Because it is interesting knowledge, presented in an engaging style?
and documentaries, I never wanted to watch them when I was younger, but they are just about my favorite thing to watch now.
Uriah Siner young people tend to want to make their own mistakes. And that's how it should be.
+Uriah Siner Easy, Lloyd is an excellent educator.
10 minutes in: how did the British mess this up?
Later: ... so, like that. I am impressed
More like 15 minutes in.
Obviously they didn't have enough mana.
They had every advantage and still lost.
They got distracted with the advertisement.
Sounds more like the Maori won through their valour and tactics. There is no obvious mistake made during the assault by the British.
Good video! My uncle is generally considered the main authority on Gate Pa, I work with him as a cultural consultant to Tauranga City council. I'll be sure to show him this video, if he hasn't already seen it, I'm sure he would be quite happy to see that this rather significant part of New Zealand history is being told around the world in such a concise manner. :)
Whose your uncle ehoa , you cultural consultants are a waste of money and hinder the progress of the rest of us . Ive 'worked' with ngati whatua up in auckland and appalled with the bs and corruption hat goes on up here under the fake authority of cultural mana whenua. aka cultural arrogance just creating a lucritive money train for tribal elites. pukana.
As someone of Maori descent, this is incredibly well done. My ancestors and family are warriors and I am proud to say we still practice many of our marshal traditions. It's incredible to see interest in Maori history, not many people know it, except for "British come in etc" when there is more to it than that, there is so much history there. The history of this country is just one tragedy and misunderstanding after another. Might I add your pronunciation of Maori words was pretty good, better than most non-Maori speaking RUclipsrs, a few mistakes but you did your best.
happy columbus day
Ka pai ehoa
"Another way to balance a wargame involving british troops is to have the enemy attack at teatime on a bank holiday weekend."
O-HO
A CHEEKY STING
Clearly you have studied your history of the Roman invasion of Britian based on the writings of the contemporary gallic druid from a small village of indomitable gauls.
FISH AND CHIPS
Celtic Revival / Adfywiad Celtaidd
Yeah let’s not forget the Scots:welsh/Irish
That fought in the British army
While eating Victoria sponge. . . .
Lloyd you're one of the few youtubers who can hold my attention for half an hour. Great video!
They performed the seismic haka, the shockwave then preceded to atomize every single British solider.
"Socking great big bits of iron-mongery and explosiveness"
When even Lindybeige out Lindybeiges himself
Well, the Brittish had red shirts, and we all know that red shirts die first
How many times has Scotty, Uhura, or Janice died for wearing a red shirt?
They're main characters. The red shirts thing is kinda like in medieval if you're wearing helmets and are not a main character, you're the first one to die.
Christopher Noel
That just means they're even more badass.
Actually, when they attacked, they had changed into their mostly blue kit.
I wish my teachers had been like this in school. this man is very well spoken, and manages to keep everything exciting. even the most mundane details....
"... because the Zulu's, fabulous warriors that they were, just didn't have the mustaches." 4:00
Joshua Stoczko or the rifles
Joshua Stoczko your South African ?
racist
racist boo. they actually used alot of tactics to get to their enemies, they also adopted the rifles and they did actually dig trenches, and they established a way of communication between the chieftains and the soldiers. they also used the bull strategy with the head, the horns and the loin very well, also much better with the short knives or spears.
@@ori6990 ITS A JOKE GET OVER IT
Many thanks for not spoiling the scholar's cradle outcome. Takes the excitement right out of it for me when I know what happens.
Honestly, whatever the Great Courses Plus are paying you, it isn't enough.
BrendanBlake42
They are sponsoring his beige shirt addiction.
"They just didn't have the moustaches" Lindybeige Nov 2017
Also google spellchecker, how dare you try to correct with American English on this channel :P
NorfolkTears What did Google do?
As far as I know it's the browser doing the spellchecking, not RUclips. But perhaps your browser is from Google as well? Don't you have an option to add another language? I just (finally!) managed to add "English (British)" to Firefox. The option they used to have just never worked.
Gillsing It was probably their phone keyboard
I love the energy that you exude while delivering these little lectures. You have a knack for making these subjects extremely interesting
"Add the sound effect, thank you" he says to his editor, which is himself.
Jontman42 lol weirdo talking to himself
Jontman42 he had a shoving match with himself once.
Next time on The Great Courses Plus: how industrial moustache technology lead to British Hegemony in the 19th century
eric3844 Absolutely. I think we should be told.
😂
You have been my favorite youtuber for as long as I can remember and videos like this is an exemplary example as to why, Fantastic job! I may add that I am British Maori, I was born and raised in Berkshire but my fathers side of the family comes from the Ngti Awa tribe in Whakatane which is beside Tauranga, along the coast. When ever we go back home there is always talk of this battle even today and you're video is fantastic at representing both British and Maori people in an honorable objective manor!
So glad to have pleased you! I have never been there, but one day...
...you've never been to Berkshire?....shame on you Mr Beige!
British Maori's rule lol. Love from NZ!
Please do - we have both Lindy hoppers AND reenactors!.... and all that other stuff too
Pa (no 'h' ) is the correct spelling for a fortified Maori village.
I am so glad I came across your channel. I love history and you do a fantastic job of telling a story. From across the pond in New York I thank you.
is it clear, that the pole with the flag was bad luck? The Maori clearly where quite familiar with how artillary works.
Perhaps, they put it there on purpuse.
They certainly did. What did the Maori need a flag pole for? And if they really wanted a flag, why was it far behind the actual fortification? That was no accident or luck. They gave the artillery something that looked so incredible useful that nobody gave its intent a second thought.
I have never come across any evidence that it was deliberate, but it isn't impossible. The commander of the British would still have been unlucky that the CO of his artillery used the flag as an aiming point.
The way you told the story, I assumed that to has been standard procedure. If so, that would make it an angle of manipulation. If it was on purpose, that would make the Maori plan even more badass.
When I was at uni it was suggested that as the defenders were familiar with the British practice of placing their flag pole toward the centre of their encampments and had on occasion adopted this custom themselves, for example at Ohaeawai Pa, that the positioning was most likely a deliberate attempt at misdirection.
coool
"... they just didn't have the mustaches."
I'm laughing so hard I might die... XD
That's why i don't shave. People are so ignorant.
this is where the video got my thumbs up
Thanks for doing this video Lindy! Hori Ngatai (who fought in this battle and is known for reciting this story) was my great great great grandfather direct line from eldest son to eldest son. His father was also one of the members who signed the Waitangi Treaty that finally unified New Zealand. I've always liked the story of Gate Pah, my ancestors were bad ass apparently! Don't stress about the PC police... some people have poles in their backsides.
at least spell Pa correctly...ffs
another bounty bar maori...brown on the outside , white on the inside :)
Books of the time wrote it as "Pah" and the Maori of the time didn't have a written language, not sure what your problem is
My problem it's spelt incorrectly and there's is no need to remain ignorant in 2018. the book he quoted was printed between 1900-1910. Maori have been exposed to the written word due to the introduction of the bible and the missionaries during the early 1800s. Note: Literacy, in particular, became extremely popular among Māori. By 1842 most Māori aged between 10 and 30 could read and write their own language, a higher literacy rate than in the non-Māori population. You drip of the same ignorance and disrespect that lost the british this battle :) teara.govt.nz/en/maori-pakeha-relations/page-2
mb1968nz so how do you think Pa was spelt, by Maori themselves, in 1842? Because I’ve also seen it written as “Pah”. I use the usual Pa spelling myself - but my point is both are “correct” if you’re trying to be picky. People at that time both British and Maori were just making up the spelling as they went, because Maori didn’t have their own writing previously. I don’t think use of the older spellings necessarily makes somebody ignorant
The passion this man has for history makes it a lot more fun to watch. I really enjoy this channel, i thought I knew quite a bit about history. This teaches me about things I have never heard of. Keep up the fantastic work my friend.
Want to talk about asymmetrical, just cover the terrible defeat of the Australian Army in the great Emu War. Though those wounds are long past and the Emus now help fight the Drop Bear menace!
My grandfather was a veteran of that terrible war, he didn't like to talk about it much but anytime he had a bit much xmas egg nog he would open up just a little.He's ok now but when his feather doona rips it all comes flooding back and when one of soft grey bastards struts arrogantly across the road in front of the car his eyes glaze over and his foot presses a bit harder on the accelerator
Tbh it's genuinely awful and sad the fact they killed so many Emus and harmed them. They are living beings that feel and think like any other.
TheTaterTotP80 And they taste pretty good. What a waste of emu meat that was, I don’t think a single Australian soldier ate emu flesh during the entire war, even though they had like 900 emu corpses to work with. Albeit these corpses were full of bullets.
Wait, were the emus a code name for the army or were they actual animals? I'm very confused now
Trance Kowhai Nope, these are just emus in the outback.
Maor videos like these please.
I'll show myself out.
good
I Zea what you did there.
Tom Stafford we could diffntly do wth more NZ war videos but done in a more u tube graphic way
GRIFFIN PAYNE twas a joke mate
Tom Stafford yea I did realise that ☺ all good ,some people take u tube videos far to seriously .have u read some of the comments below. In a different some of these guys would be slapping each wth gloves before pulling pistols on each other 😈
If I had to choose between fighting a Maori or a Gurkha, with my 14 years martial arts experience, at least a passing familiarity with most weapons, both modern and antiquated, and a fair understanding and respect of their cultures; I think I'd choose to wander off into the woods until I found a bear with cubs and fight her instead. Much better odds.
LOL! ... yep
Playing with toy lightsabers doesn't count though.
Definitely. Throw in a kampilan or barong-wielding Moro warrior in there as well.
WW2 German #1: Well, der Tommies are here
WW2 German #2: Eh, we can handle them
WW2 German #1: They have Scots, Maori, and Gurkhas.
WW2 German #2: (cries)
hahahaha best comment
This guy is so interesting to listen to that I didn't even skipped the ad.
Kia Ora from Aotearoa, I am a Māori, just popping in to see an international interpretation of what happened here to our ancestors. Thank you! I easpecially appreciate the humor. Ngā mihi!
A diagram would have been good, but thumbs up for the narration.
I love me some maps.
you can go on google ive seen some good ones
ruclips.net/video/zyeCbn8u0og/видео.html Here is a video showing the battle with maps.
That's better, thanks.
the wikipedia map en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tauranga_Campaign#/media/File:Plan_of_the_attack_on_gate_pa.jpg
Magnificent mustaches, nice red uniforms and an almost fanatical devotion to Queen and Country.
SlideRulePirate no where near as good as blind fanatical American patriotism
The joke.
Tiger Claw252's head.
And ruthless efficiency! Our four great attributes are... among our attributes are such diverse elements as surprise, fear, nice red uniforms...
YOU DIMWIT
YOU FORGOT THE MUSTACHES, THE BLOODY MUSTACHES!
Tiger Claw252 If it wasn't for the French (and the two other countries that Britain was fighting at the time in addition to trying to suppress the rebellion). The revolutionaries could not and would not have succeeded, the British after all won nearly every battle in that theater. That was until requirements for reinforcing other theaters of war lend to the situation becoming untenable in the Americas. Learn some history before you go around making a fool out of yourself. 'American patriotism' ha more like the opportunism of other countries.
Having the city of Hamilton named after you is not really a compliment.
ikr
It could be worse we named a fort after General Custer here in the US. Custer lost the battle of Little Big Horn against the Native Americans. He ignored his scout reports and ran into a force double his size and still tried to fight them. It did not end well for him or his men.
@@johnsturm9344 He means Hamiltons a shit hole here in New Zealand. Has the highest STI rate of any town to give you an idea.
@@mrgray3474 i aint been to hamilton but i always thought porirua was bad
Man thats hilarious I live in scotland and the hamilton here is a shitehole as well
Incredible courage and staunch- heartedness is not just a British attribute and actions like Rorke's Drift were fought by many other soldiers/ warriors of other nations and people - as Lindy once again shows us in his brilliant style. Such lesser known actions deserve to be brought out of dusty, seldom read history books to show people that bravery is a human characteristic and not only bestowed upon a few specific nations. For example, I have just read that during the Peninsular War a company sized unit of French soldiers (about 150 men) held off an attack by a force Spanish Guerillas numbering thousands for a whole day and night, an event I for one had never heard of before.
My ancestors were involved in this battle against the British.They were also involved in another battle where the British were withdrawing for lack of ammunition.The chief sent a warrior over to see if they wanted to borrow some ammo as the fight was just getting good !
Are the Maori real life Orcs? Because both have so many similarities in culture and view of the world that I would not be surprised the Maori inspired the creation of the Orcs.
@@Jamhael1 Orcs are from Angle and Saxon pre-Christian mythology, so perhaps not. Although, every fantasy franchise has a slightly different spin on Orcs, so maybe you can find one in particular that's as close to your idea as you like.
@@Jamhael1Maoris are all mixed now, it's Pacific Islanders taking the role of Orc nowxD and West Africans
Within one generation New Zealand formed a special force of their own and have been trouncing the British (73% of the time), and the rest of the world, ever since. The All Blacks.
Then they met the French---
might want to watch the last two world cups if you think the French are any difficulty
ginganutjob : I didn't say anything about the French winning - they are the greatest whiners tho-
+Charles Wood
I'm not in love with the French or anything. But in my experience they're anything BUT whiners; they're pretty proactive and get-up-and-go.
The English and New Zealanders are both bad for whinging though...
pretty good actually. more people play rugby in britain too, and aus and france and the us and japan and south africa. hows briain doing at soccer lately?
LB is so easy to follow, he has a really smooth way about him. Very cool synopsis and well condensed conclusions about the battle, its disparities, and similarities of forces. So many people following, and of course the particular topics LB chooses, make me feel so much less alienated and odd. I am in to what he posts about, always informative. LB rocks, and this vid about maori was particularly cool.
Storming out to get myself a Lindybeige's knitted jumper.
Uncle Traveling Matt you may get one for Christmas 😂
Don't forget the beige, round collar shirt! He has a video on how to make that on his channel
He should have a merchandise store
Surprised Maori reacts only.
Just steal one out of Bill Cosby's closet like Lindy does :-D
The "zulus" fabulous warriors though they where.... They just didn't have the moustaches.
Yeah it's the moustache, why do you think the germans held out against the british for so long in both world wars?
Everyone else didn't figure it out until it was too late...the europeans knew how to win wars, they did.
I was born and raised in Tauranga. They hold a memorial service every year for the battle of gate pā. Would be interested in hearing about the battle/“massacre” that happened 7 weeks later near Pyes Pā
Kia ora, there is a 3 part video with more information on the battle and history of Tauranga. Tauranga Moana Elders tell the history of Mauao, part 1 by Kihi Ngatai and part 2 and 3 by my Koro Hauata Paama.
When's the next one?
The zig zagging is called the sap ... that’s why the Royal Engineers are called Sappers
Nice little fact, cheers.
And the Maoris and Polynesians were used to dig them during WW1,some of my people never returned from that war,whole family lines were wiped out.
@@Andy_M986 Yeah. We lost entire families as well. Millions eventually.
The signoff joke made me smile because there's a comic book titled Asterix in Britain in which Julius Cesar does just that, attacking the Brits at tea time and during the weekends.
Francois, I suspect Lindybeige is a big Asterix fan 🤔 and Terry Pratchett and Monty Python🤔 Terry Thomas… a whole bunch of others lol 😂
Lesson of today: Don't bring a Lee Enfield into a Shotgun fight.
Balderdash we brought them to a rifle and artillery fight the Maori just didn't play fair.
another version
how the hell did you lose to those primitives
there tec advatage.
The “Lee Enfield bolt action Rifle” is an entirely different firearm that was not invented for another 30 years (1895). you are thinking of the “Enfield Pattern 1853 rifle-musket”
listening to you say tauraunga, i could feel the mustache. highly amused.
Lindy makes the best ads. Let it be known. This one had me laughing at multiple points. And I watched the whole thing which is much longer than it needs to be (I think most companies just require a minute) but Lindy's are so animated and personal. Always a treat
Pā - Spelt this way because, all Māori words end with a vowel.
Yes. 'Pah' is just a European-y way of spelling a Māori word. Pā is proper
Amazing that both languages have exactly the same alphabet!
@@jaceacekalgoorlie I can't say for sure, since Samoa and Aotearoa have their differences, but in the precolonial Samoa (and as I suspect, Aotearoa/New Zealand) language was largely oral with no phonetic written form. Histories were non-orally kept through logologo and tatau but post colonization they developed a Latin written form. That's why we use Latin script, because our traditional forms of writing were deemed as backwards and unlearned, and reduced to niche artwork instead of the language of a people.
@@jaceacekalgoorlie they dont
@@vegasspaceprogram6623 They were clearly joking.
I wasn't going to do that Great Courses trial, but once you mentioned that the professor did INDEED wear an acceptable amount of beige, I jumped on that opportunity!
Chad Maori vs Virgin British Empire
I don't know how I found this channel, but 2 videos in and I'm hooked. I could, and indeed have, listen for hours.
The only way to beat the British Empire is too outmatch their moustaches
Not really
So the best weapon is a scissors or oldschool shaver
like the Sikhs ?
But none can out moustache a British moustache
People don't know this, but the British Empire actually only disassembled itself after a Brit visiting Paris saw a Frenchman with a British moustache. The Britstache immediately because uncool, and everyone packed up and went home in outrage.
"Socking great big bits of ironmongery and explosiveness." This is my first Lindybeige video. After I heard this, I was sold.
Also, Duncan Cameron bears a startling resemblance to Duane Allman.
"They just didn't have the moustaches" is a phrase I will be adopting into my vocabulary.
Lindy has the best military history channel on RUclips in my opinion. Although I would watch a 45 minute long video of nothing but lindy's 3 minute ads patched together as a single video hes such a good storyteller
A really bad ass metal band of Maori kids made a song about this battle since their ancestor died in the battle. It's called rū ana te whenua and I highly recommend giving it a listen
Whakarongo mai ra
WHAKARONGO MAI RA
That. Is. Wonderful.
Full credit to the Maori. That is the kind of brilliant yet simple genius that one can only think of if you are trying to bridge such a tech gap. Well played
People stopped spelling it pah because it's a Polynesian language, so ending on a consonant just looks wrong, even if it's not actually pronounced that way.
Pah should be kept as the standard spelling in English though, as a loan word even if it only refers to a specific historic structure.
It does'nt really matter TrolleyMouse, as the language was aural and not written.
And thus was the template set for modern rugby.
Loved this video. Superb stuff.
Yes, the British brought the organisation and the Maori brought the flair. Good analogy bro.
The Māori nicknamed Cameron the ‘Lame Seagull’.
I'm from NZ and although I have no Maori blood I'm proud of them. Can you do one on Gallipoli?
Hi Loyd! I was wondering if you could talk about coattails. Or any long, drapey cloth covering the legs throughout history. So many uniforms and outfits have had things like trench coats, drapes, and skirts. It seems that around the 1940's is when many western nations started to abandon long coattails in military gear although the germans famously had a lot of attire that featured it. It seems like something that could potentially snag or hinder mobility in many cases. What do you have to say?
COATTAILS!
Coat tails were an earlier invention . . they covered the Kraken during those times when people went into battle without pants
British Light Infantry didn't have coat-tails during the Maori Wars; they cut them off before the American Civil War of 1775-1783
@@jagdpanther1944 great point, I'm sure, but that was the American Revolutionary War - not the Civil War.
To be perhaps a tad pedantic, the American Revolution was also a civil war. A great many Americans were Loyalists and voluntarily fought for their King.
@@jseagull8483 quite true there was an aspect of civil warfare present, but by the time you capitalize the title, the American Civil War was a specific war in the 1860s that had very little to do with Britain.
You remind me of one of my old history teachers - so much enthusiasm in the material.. it really is a joy to watch..
You forgot to mention the most interesting point of the Maori wars, It only came to an end once world war 1 started. The NZ government had to come to an arrangement with the Maori so they could instead focus its troops at Europe.
Also can you do a video on the Maori who fought in World war 1 and how the Germans feared them and respected them.
One account of the Maori in WW1. Some of them crept across no mans land in the middle of the night and entered a German trench, where they proceeded to use their Patu to smash in the German skulls.
They then withdrew and the next day the Germans could not contact their troops so sent reinforcements and found them all dead, this caused a lot of fear and demoralized the germans.
Hitler also feared and respected the Maori during WW2, as he had heard the horror stories of his fellow country men during the first world war.
Dan... yep, would like to see more stuff relating to Maori during WW1. Also, a word or two about WW2, especially the guys during the siege of Monte Cassino monastery, in Italy. I've heard that when ordered to attack, they hauled half way up the mountain, stripped to the waist and did a Haka, before continuing their advance.
Plus the Boer wars aswell, The Medal 🏅 that were given to veterans of the Boer War, Had the United Tribes Flag Ensign inscribed as the medals centre piece "1899".
Great video. So much of our history here in NZ is being re-written in the all-to-familiar "goodies vs baddies" narrative that is, to put it as kindly as I can, utter horseshit. The various "Maori Wars" period is complex and fascinating and there were a lot more than two "sides" involved. Nor were they all "rebellions". Over 500 chiefs signed the Treaty of Waitangi (1840) that gave full British citizenship to all Maori, ostensibly making everyone "equal" at least in the eyes of the law. Much, or at least some, of the unrest was not aimed at overthrowing British rule as much as it was anger that the Treaty was not being honoured properly. Certainly some of it was the inevitable result of telling a tribal, warrior class, "You can't fight anymore but don't worry, you can go to the Police if something crops up" and thinking that would work.
Thanks for this. I hope our history is being accurately preserved somewhere, even if it isn't here, where it belongs.
PS: "Tauranga" is pronounced TOW (like 'how' or 'cow') RONG (like 'song') A.
Tow - rong - a
Cheers.
It's funny how the Maori were and still are some of the best soldiers in the world, alongside the Scottish Highlanders and the Nepalese Gurkhas, and that all three of those peoples fought at one time against and then for Britain (or England), with great loyalty and bravery.
Your missing the English, Welsh and Irish from that list, or would you deny their achievements?
Rorke's Drift was fought by a Welsh regiment.
Wellington was an Irishman.
The English fought in all regiments forming the core of the what was to become Britain, and might I add they defeated the Scottish in almost every war that was fought between Scotland and England before both countries saw sense and came together under mutual agreement.
English Welsh and Irish are all well put together soldiers, and just as fierce under the right leadership. May I state though, Rorke's Drift was a defeat being that Hubris it seems got the better of their commanders. The only victory was back at their supply depot/Hospital where a handful of men were led by an engineer and his subordinate, even THEN the Zulu could have over run them just by sheer numbers, but instead saluted them as fellow warriors/braves.
When the English occupied Scotland during the 13th century the Scots rebelled and fought back their oppressors, reclaiming their lands so not EVERY war was won against the Scots. But like you said, both countries came together under mutual agreement.
I'd just like to point out as well, (having English, Scots, Welsh and Maori heritage) that the Maori nation were also paid a great compliment by one of the most revered field marshals during WWII by Erwin Rommel stating that if he had 12 divisions of the Maori Battalion he could conquer the world. The German letters back to loved ones who encountered the Maori in Africa ALSO state how much they feared and respected them. Another German commander also compared the Maori Battalion to be the modern day Spartans of the new world. However you wouldn't see that now if you were to walk among our streets today.
None the less, deep down our Mana (power/strength)
and warrior is still very much present in our nature, and will to this day challenge any who threatens our land here in Aotearoa aka New Zealand.
The only exception was first and second WWR when germans troops, in Europa, and Japanese in Asia quite defeated British army. Now, don’t understand me wrong, I don’t intend to offending UK army, but unfortunately this is historic true.
Ovidiu Kilingher True, the axis (except the italians) had many successes against the British in the early war, but the British did quite well in the late war with the notable exception of Market Garden. Certainly British and Indian troops inflicted two of the greatest land defeats against the Japanese at the Indian border area.
Regarding the first world war, the British did very well, I would say. They fought some brilliant actions against Germans in the early war with their small professional force, they adapted to large scale continental warfare, defeated the kaiserslacht at Amiens, and invented the tank which went on to be vital to breaking the stalemate.
Funny? It's hilarious
a distant relative of mine won the VC and then the DCM a short time later during the 2nd taranaki war. Dudley Stagpoole.
seven bullet wounds and two broken legs... I'll be back up and going in no time
just a flesh wound
david salt Damn I was gonna say that
That's a chief.
'tis but a scratch
This is quite the coincidence. I listen to Alien Weaponry and then this video gets recommended to me the following day. Much appreciated RUclips!
Whakarongo mai ra
WHAKARONGO MAI Ra
Hi Lindybeige, I love this story and you tell it well. You said a bit about Maori having great sapping abilities. It's a while ago now but I think I remember one of my history professors at saying that trench warfare originated in Aotearoa. The Great War could have gone quite differently if if if ....
They didn't want to believe that they could learn something about warfare from mere savages.
I have to wonder if this experience gave the british some advantage in the timeframe for getting into the right mindset for effective trench building half a century later.
I never understand why videos like this have any down votes... This is informative, interesting, and entertaining...
Baltazar Vok
They were savage, all the best troops are, in the heat of battle. The Maori were also cannibals at that time, which would have an impression on any attacking force.
because he thinks he is superior. it's the end times, he is heartless the way he talks.
cannibals? there were no cannibals at this point, that or a very very small amount like 3% maybe, get your facts right please you may have read about this somewhere but that would have been based around times 400 years before the basis of this video
End times? I’ve lived through the end of the world (as prophesied by holy people) so many times I can’t remember. How can they be so wrong, so many times? Their god must be a joke. Listen to the scientists ffs, they will give you a list of real issues that need sorting out.
Tamati Whitlock
Yes it was a thing.
nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-BudAbor-t1-body-d1-d2-d3.html