The extended range of Wi-Fi HaLow has me concerned. It will be much easier for hackers/griefers to exploit IoT devices from a "safe" distance. It will also create a lot more interference, especially in larger multi-family buildings. Hopefully, I am missing something that will help prevent these problems.
@@belland_dog8235 Yes, it is. Generally that "someone else" is a corporation and not someone outside hacking into your wifi, but the whole point is still to have your entire household controlled and spied upon by someone else.
3:50 I'm betting "spatial streams" is COFDM which is what's used by mobile phones. It's splitting numbered packets across multiple frequencies and electronic "angles" whilst using lower frequencies that are known to "bend" around objects and refract off fields. It's radio multiplexing in terms of channels but also with packet resilience through the physical pathing and finally the ability to find missing packets through the numbering system.
While that isn't a lot of bandwidth from a modern perspective. Twenty years ago (pre web2.0) that's essentially an ISDN line that has a half kilometer of range. This has.... potential. this potentially solves a problem i've had with 'well we can build a wifi mesh' concepts for the past... since wifi was a thing I knew about. Range limiting it to a toy for urban/suburban use. with that much range i could have smart lights in the shop, or sensors connected to the animal's food/water, or even some dumb goof troop shit and have a sensor that flags me whenever the mailbox door opens.
@@pfcrow Naw do it the old fashioned way. Hear it go off in the middle of the night, go back to sleep and forget about it, wake up to mom freaking out because she just saw the dead mouse (little f***er ate my crackers).
Hey, what I saw earlier in some routers that WPA3 is implemented, which is excellent for protecting IoT devices, and has 192bit encryption instead of the traditional 128bit WPA2. Thanks for sharing. Have a good one and keep it up !
And the new WiF 7.1a can 'bend' around furniture, pets and under doors too. It uses Zeta Extension Low Latency Diametric Attrition Protocol (ZELLDA) to 'bleed' through household objects and even buildings.
oh WOW that wallpapers look AMAZING!!! Have you made any vids of you creating them? If not that would be a really awesome video. And I don't just mean a recording of you making one, I mean just a walkthrough of the steps you take to create them. Maybe some techniques you like to use, which software you prefer, or what hardware you use or want to use to help you out..... This would be an AWESOME series of vids to post every couple weeks. Yea there are probably tons of vids about people making art, but this is from a fellow nerd's point of view and you are able to provide more of the technical aspects of it all :) I'm gonna go browse you back-catalog for any vids you already did like this. And hopefully I sparked some creation bug in you and we get to see something as awesome as this :)
well after going through all your wallpapers (to save them of course... they are GORGEOUS) I saw that you have a timelapse of you making them, so that will hold me over until you start you professional art courses and masters program lol :) GRETA WORK JOE!!! WOW!!!! They really are amazing bro!
I don't trust corporations, big or small, to enable an optional safety feature. Enhanced Open should be the default setting or preferably the only setting for WPA3 enabled devices. I actually just upgraded to (rather expensive) WiFi 6E router so I'm hoping most of these features will still come to my router. The only thing I don't think would work in theory is Hallow (since it requires an extra radio) but I don't actually care about that feature since I avoid IoT devices as much as possible and if I need a range extender I can still use my old router either way (it's only WiFi 5 but most of our heavy hitters will be wired in once we finally find a new house).
I made a wireless bridge with Halow 802.11ah,from one side of budapest to the other.obviously,one point is on top of a hill(buda side),the distance is 6km.there's basically los,but with a LOT of trees,and some buildings.that's why 2.4ghz wasn't working. I can stream 720p youtube videos with the link :D
Finally moving into a more condensed area. The home has 300mbps internet now, and fiber being ran at the moment. Hopefully in the next year…. I have been using 3mbps download and worse upload for 3-5yrs
If you mean a transmitter for a hobby project, look for civilian-use frequencies approved bt the FCC: HaLow will not interfere with those bands, and using other bands for hobbies is technically illegal.
@@SchattenWolf2008 If it's 10mw, it should be a short-range, ultra-low bandwidth transmitter, right? In which case, your remote device should simply overpower the also low-power HaLow signals in the short range. Yes, it sucks that you have a lower range before interference becomes an issue, but it also sucks that we can't listen to TV channel 6's audio stream on an FM radio anymore. The FCC doesn't care about convenience, they care about the billions of dollars being bid for that band space.
But we can use powerline adapters and get a direct connection. I don't need fancy high-speed internet for my mobile devices since the most intense activity they participate in is streaming Netflix.
I can see it being possible to implement, but the points have to be in sync somehow to tell random data from legit, which needs either more bandwidth or a separate channel (like a separate cable).
150 kbps is no slouch. That's 10 times faster than you needed when the web came out on the net, and 2k was puhlenty before that. I still have a 14.4k USR around here somewhere ;)
@@Maxawa0851 Yeah, but the point is 150k is hundreds time more than your appliances require. In other words, it's no slouch. If you send text at that rate and consider each character takes 2 bytes, it's about 150-160 words a minute.
You won't get 4MBps on 1km range, because further away you are from transmitter the lower QAM modulation is used due to lower SNR, so you got 4Msps at close range or 150kbps at 1km range (more or less).
I think that's pretty common. IPv6 has been specified for ages, yet a lot of websites still only support IPv4. Same with DDR6 and PCI-E6. These specifications happen long before they are actually implemented :)
People often use the rubbish WiFi router supplied by their ISP for many years because they don't know how or even why to replace it. It makes rollout slow.
One issue with all these wifi advancements especially in the USA is the ISPs I have/am Beta testing new wifi products I just had fiber Installed they were shocked at the one routers capabilities the said I will never see those speed on there Fiber connection any time soon! This ISP charges a extra $400.00 per month for symmetrical service! Right now I'm at 500/15 on Fiber a new rollout this cost me $149.00 to get symmetrical I need to upgrade to the 1000/25 for $249.00 the pay $400 more for the 1000/1000 symmetrical service. All these advancements are basically useless In the USA it's like buying a Ferrari In the USA when you can only use it's full potential on the Autobahn in Germany.
I was looking to replace my router since the wifi 6/e video. Now I gotta worry about 7? Damn there’s no such thing as being “current” anymore with routers.
So how did that work out for you? Sorry if this was already answered but I am not following all the message streams. What are the benefits if you have older devices (Dell laptop) to going into routers with WiFi 6. My current downloads are in the 200Mbps ++ ranges with Cat6 devices and WiFi stuff like 2015 MacBook and iPhone 10. Not in a big rush. May wait for WiFi 7 routers and the associated devices (iPhone 15/16 iPad Mini 10?.)
@@ClassicVespas There's surely no advantages on older devices in terms of speed as you're always going to get bottlenecked. I guess some of the new functionality could be utilized though?
The new WiFi HaLow is interesting...... i like the idea of STANDARDISED low bandwidth mesh wifi.... ** Existing LoRa is a mess.... and no standardise SDK/API/Protocol....
Finally, a Wifi DLC
download more wifi
Brilliant! 😂
Wifi owned by ea
@@andreacorrea5921 Would you like to use WiFi HaLow function? Yes: $50, No: $20
@@andreacorrea5921 d
The extended range of Wi-Fi HaLow has me concerned. It will be much easier for hackers/griefers to exploit IoT devices from a "safe" distance. It will also create a lot more interference, especially in larger multi-family buildings. Hopefully, I am missing something that will help prevent these problems.
But that's the whole point. your entire household controlled and spied upon by someone else
@@TheNinjaMarmot No, it isn't. Try again.
Enterprises can easily turn it off.
I use windows IoT on a raspberry pi, itd suck to get hacked
@@belland_dog8235 Yes, it is. Generally that "someone else" is a corporation and not someone outside hacking into your wifi, but the whole point is still to have your entire household controlled and spied upon by someone else.
Congratulations on the artworks Thio. Beautiful looking, ver well done, and cheap as well.
This channel never fails to teach me new things.
3:50 I'm betting "spatial streams" is COFDM which is what's used by mobile phones. It's splitting numbered packets across multiple frequencies and electronic "angles" whilst using lower frequencies that are known to "bend" around objects and refract off fields. It's radio multiplexing in terms of channels but also with packet resilience through the physical pathing and finally the ability to find missing packets through the numbering system.
I love that you show the map Dust2 in your ghz explanation :D
I was always bothered by the awful wifi experience in dust2
While that isn't a lot of bandwidth from a modern perspective. Twenty years ago (pre web2.0) that's essentially an ISDN line that has a half kilometer of range. This has.... potential.
this potentially solves a problem i've had with 'well we can build a wifi mesh' concepts for the past... since wifi was a thing I knew about. Range limiting it to a toy for urban/suburban use.
with that much range i could have smart lights in the shop, or sensors connected to the animal's food/water, or even some dumb goof troop shit and have a sensor that flags me whenever the mailbox door opens.
wow
I want a mouse trap that will notify me when I need to check it. This might make that more practical.
@@pfcrow Naw do it the old fashioned way. Hear it go off in the middle of the night, go back to sleep and forget about it, wake up to mom freaking out because she just saw the dead mouse (little f***er ate my crackers).
Finaly, We have been waiting for WiFi 2
Hey,
what I saw earlier in some routers that WPA3 is implemented, which is excellent for protecting IoT devices, and has 192bit encryption instead of the traditional 128bit WPA2.
Thanks for sharing.
Have a good one and keep it up !
Thank you so much for the Wallpapers !
gotta love that de_dust2 map
what does that have to do with this video?
Lol was wondering who would notice
@@TuxikCE its in the video
@@KingTroopa Oh I guess I missed. where?
At what point does every one inside the house start to glow with all that radiation spreading far and beyond.
get wifi anywhere you go hold up ring ding ding ding ding ding
Oh Thio-Joe once again another informative video, so easy to follow, thank you.
And the new WiF 7.1a can 'bend' around furniture, pets and under doors too. It uses Zeta Extension Low Latency Diametric Attrition Protocol (ZELLDA) to 'bleed' through household objects and even buildings.
4MBPS from a kilometer away is pretty cool
I live rural and even the lower end of 128kb/s from a kilometer away is pretty damned cool.
This technology is nothing new or remarkable. Check out the little-known WiMAX from 2001, it had a range of up to 50 km and speeds of up to 75 Mbps.
oh WOW that wallpapers look AMAZING!!! Have you made any vids of you creating them? If not that would be a really awesome video. And I don't just mean a recording of you making one, I mean just a walkthrough of the steps you take to create them. Maybe some techniques you like to use, which software you prefer, or what hardware you use or want to use to help you out.....
This would be an AWESOME series of vids to post every couple weeks. Yea there are probably tons of vids about people making art, but this is from a fellow nerd's point of view and you are able to provide more of the technical aspects of it all :)
I'm gonna go browse you back-catalog for any vids you already did like this. And hopefully I sparked some creation bug in you and we get to see something as awesome as this :)
well after going through all your wallpapers (to save them of course... they are GORGEOUS) I saw that you have a timelapse of you making them, so that will hold me over until you start you professional art courses and masters program lol :)
GRETA WORK JOE!!! WOW!!!! They really are amazing bro!
HaLow would solve the problem of music streaming services eating data while mowing the lawn
I don't trust corporations, big or small, to enable an optional safety feature. Enhanced Open should be the default setting or preferably the only setting for WPA3 enabled devices.
I actually just upgraded to (rather expensive) WiFi 6E router so I'm hoping most of these features will still come to my router. The only thing I don't think would work in theory is Hallow (since it requires an extra radio) but I don't actually care about that feature since I avoid IoT devices as much as possible and if I need a range extender I can still use my old router either way (it's only WiFi 5 but most of our heavy hitters will be wired in once we finally find a new house).
8:00 so, even MORE surveillance from giant companies, great.
I always enjoy your videos
great job.
Thanks thiojoe
That desktop artwork is very reminiscent of Windows XP. Nice, very nice.
Came for the info stayed for the wall1papers!
I made a wireless bridge with Halow 802.11ah,from one side of budapest to the other.obviously,one point is on top of a hill(buda side),the distance is 6km.there's basically los,but with a LOT of trees,and some buildings.that's why 2.4ghz wasn't working.
I can stream 720p youtube videos with the link :D
I can't wait for the Master Chief frequency for WIFI
WiFi Halo? As in, like, John Halo? Let's go!
You were a prank, I hated you. Now you are an IT, I love you.
Finally moving into a more condensed area. The home has 300mbps internet now, and fiber being ran at the moment. Hopefully in the next year…. I have been using 3mbps download and worse upload for 3-5yrs
DUDE THE HALOW IS LITTERY RIGHT INTO MY FREQUENCY BAND I NEED TO USE FOR MY TRANSMITTER
Transmitter for what?
If you mean a transmitter for a hobby project, look for civilian-use frequencies approved bt the FCC: HaLow will not interfere with those bands, and using other bands for hobbies is technically illegal.
@@specialopsdave well its an fixed frequency. Also it has 10mw so i think they will just send in there and dont even notice my transmitter
@@charlie_nolan nothing illegal
@@SchattenWolf2008 If it's 10mw, it should be a short-range, ultra-low bandwidth transmitter, right? In which case, your remote device should simply overpower the also low-power HaLow signals in the short range. Yes, it sucks that you have a lower range before interference becomes an issue, but it also sucks that we can't listen to TV channel 6's audio stream on an FM radio anymore. The FCC doesn't care about convenience, they care about the billions of dollars being bid for that band space.
Thanks for the wallpaper mention. For a while, I've wanted "wallpapers" which are really super high-framerate videos which play very slowly.
Mostly to allow cars to speak to each other.
But we can use powerline adapters and get a direct connection. I don't need fancy high-speed internet for my mobile devices since the most intense activity they participate in is streaming Netflix.
There are so many key points in this vid that are so funny...
amazing video and amazing wallpaper Thio ! ( sorry to ask again but, Andy Samberg is your relative ?)
1:58 i love when you took a csgo map LOL
8:58 I still find people and companies using WPA instead of WPA2, hope that WPA3 comes as the default on the routers
when you say "WiFi HaLow", it kind of sounds like "WiFi Halo"
Finally a worthy update hope it will come soon and available in low cost
The ThioJoe's Wallpaper (Unrealized Timelines) remembers me to the Ai Shite Night spanish ¨Marica¨ meme, somehow.
I would WiFi 6 to have awesome through-walls coverage / speeds. Guess that’s another way to jack the price.
1:59 dust 2
He always works hard to let us know very informative stuffs. Thanks a lot brother!
Great, now more neighbors within 1km can hack my router.
Hotels gonna start giving people 1Ghz guest wifi 💀
Fuuny sportsback
A5 archer
Very nice Wallpapers, thanks
Now you can have Dolby Atmos wifi
1:58 haha dust 2
I'm tired of chasing the carrot!!!!
Imagine WiFi running signals with a frequency so low, you hear it
Now, will it work in practice, is another matter.
Thank u for making normal video content
I wonder how HaLow will mix with other 868MHz in Europe like EnOcean and Zigbee
I didn´t expect this! Thanks
Thanks for the short and informative video!
What about connecting to multiple Access Points at the same time, so as you move around you can spilt your connect between two or more access points?
I can see it being possible to implement, but the points have to be in sync somehow to tell random data from legit, which needs either more bandwidth or a separate channel (like a separate cable).
@@rautamiekka You probably need a master router. Though I know it works with cell phone towers.
@@Joshua-ew6ks Ya, exactly my thoughts.
Nobody should be able to see a neighbors WiFi. If anything signal strength needs to be cut way down.
Wow, wifi haLow is great! Now hackers can hack me without being nearby.
No matter what type of internet connection or security they have, if you're going to use a public hotspot, I recommend using a VPN on your device.
Thank you for the video!
Always good content, clearly presented.
I just upgraded to AC1200 on my desktop 😂
150 kbps is no slouch. That's 10 times faster than you needed when the web came out on the net, and 2k was puhlenty before that. I still have a 14.4k USR around here somewhere ;)
Yeah when the web came out.
we are many years further.
@@Maxawa0851 Yeah, but the point is 150k is hundreds time more than your appliances require. In other words, it's no slouch. If you send text at that rate and consider each character takes 2 bytes, it's about 150-160 words a minute.
@@Maxawa0851 : Ads have gotten fatter.
@@likebot. its a thousand times more actually
You won't get 4MBps on 1km range, because further away you are from transmitter the lower QAM modulation is used due to lower SNR, so you got 4Msps at close range or 150kbps at 1km range (more or less).
WIFI in 2021:fast
wifi in 2022: It's shit
3 years before we get more bandwidth?
We need it now.
glad they decided to research and do more for Wi-Fi. It's so important for users today.
I find it interesting that WiFi 6 is not fully rolled out yet and WiFi 7 is in development yet a lot of people still use WiFi 5
I think that's pretty common. IPv6 has been specified for ages, yet a lot of websites still only support IPv4. Same with DDR6 and PCI-E6. These specifications happen long before they are actually implemented :)
People often use the rubbish WiFi router supplied by their ISP for many years because they don't know how or even why to replace it. It makes rollout slow.
Development of new technologies doesn't stop just because some people aren't using the most up to date stuff.
8191 Devices? That is one less than 2^13. Hummm!
How exciting👏🤣
Wifi7.. I heard it here first!
Wi-Fi HaLow? More like LoFi haha get it?
Everywhere I go, it follows me, why was the wifi range based on ghz based on the dust 2 map?
Wi-fi Halo(w) you say....
Time to chant
OMG I think my 5 gigaheart wifi won't stand a chance 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣😂🤣😂
Nice video!
thanks twice for a great video and and amazing wallpapers
Joe, is it worth also mentioning the New Wi-Fi ZeL-Da 7.1 Ultimate Mesh Edition?
hmm.. interesting
One issue with all these wifi advancements especially in the USA is the ISPs I have/am Beta testing new wifi products I just had fiber Installed they were shocked at the one routers capabilities the said I will never see those speed on there Fiber connection any time soon! This ISP charges a extra $400.00 per month for symmetrical service! Right now I'm at 500/15 on Fiber a new rollout this cost me $149.00 to get symmetrical I need to upgrade to the 1000/25 for $249.00 the pay $400 more for the 1000/1000 symmetrical service. All these advancements are basically useless In the USA it's like buying a Ferrari In the USA when you can only use it's full potential on the Autobahn in Germany.
people say wifi I hear why fry. Litterly doing it to ourselves... My mom said me doing drugs was my brain on the fryer, now look whos on the fryer.
I was looking to replace my router since the wifi 6/e video. Now I gotta worry about 7? Damn there’s no such thing as being “current” anymore with routers.
Thanks for the news. : )
This channel is very educative never fails to teach me new things. t.y. for the walls
My dad just upgraded my router to WiFi 6 even when my and his devices are still WiFi 5 🤣
Living life on the edge! 😂
So how did that work out for you? Sorry if this was already answered but I am not following all the message streams. What are the benefits if you have older devices (Dell laptop) to going into routers with WiFi 6. My current downloads are in the 200Mbps ++ ranges with Cat6 devices and WiFi stuff like 2015 MacBook and iPhone 10. Not in a big rush. May wait for WiFi 7 routers and the associated devices (iPhone 15/16 iPad Mini 10?.)
@@ClassicVespas There's surely no advantages on older devices in terms of speed as you're always going to get bottlenecked. I guess some of the new functionality could be utilized though?
IoT, I can imagine a ton of devices getting hacked as it gets more popular.
The new WiFi HaLow is interesting......
i like the idea of STANDARDISED low bandwidth mesh wifi....
** Existing LoRa is a mess.... and no standardise SDK/API/Protocol....
Blue-Haired Lawyer from The Simpsons: The word Halo was trademarked by Microsoft!
Such a good episode
Hey remember that comment from 2014 when some random guy said "You sooo gay" That wasn't me.
I hope that WiFi 7 can fix all the problems by itself
Yo boys
WiFi 2 just dropped
Separate encryption keys per users won't solve issue if we could still use arp spoofing.
I’m worried that a WiFi 7 router will cost like $800
2:00 Dust 2?
I'm not too bright with technology so is this going to be devices for sale to have better quality internet??
I guess Google Fi was beta for Open Roaming. Oh Google and their 6+ years beta programs.
Is the easy mesh part of WiFi 7 or it’s own protocol ?