Angry Ollie - Hit the buffers?
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- Опубликовано: 7 янв 2019
- Is this the end of the line for 70013 Oliver Cromwell? With an expired boiler certificate it needs a complete rebuild. Owners, The National Railway museum, seem unsure about what to do next. Will we see Angry Olly at speed on the mainline, throwing its toys out the pram and shouting at people with that urgent shrill strident scream? Here is a small tribute to its mainline career in restoration.
No wonder Ollie is knackered, rushing about everywhere blustering away, what a fantastic locomotive...
*Was running on the Great Central (Leicester/Loughborough) last year and far more 'wear & tear' stopping and starting, never designed for such use. It belongs on the Main Line and running at speeds it was designed for.*
@grrr, it doesn't matter what it was designed to do 100 years ago! It's an antique! And as such should have been serving slower needs, just a few miles an Hour would have made all the difference in the world!
@@gedungisphoopnuchle9121 shut up it is an express locomotive and is designed to go at speed you blithering idiot
@@gedungisphoopnuchle9121 yeah you blithering idiot express engines are built for speed
What you don't see in many cases there was a diesel engine at the rear of the train assisting
Great ! Appreciate the way you've edited. Most film makers wait for every coach/wagon to go past and then continue filming till the last one disappears round a bend half mile further on. Can be so boring.
There's something gloriously visceral about steam power that you don't get with other power types.
Yes, indeed sir. And no silly music to spoil the natural sound of the glorious engine. Bliss.
Brits - locos with ATTITUDE!
I still love watching your films about the steam engines. This week 6201 brings memories to my firing in 1947 At Crewe 5A. I fired it a few trips but I think the oiling it under the boiler in the dark was the worse engine.
I had 6206 from Carlisle back to Crewe.. I am now 87 years old, and loved it all about the drivers, my Dad was 49 years firing and driving at Crewe.. love to see it again . Geoff Hillyard. That smell of oil and steam .
*Good to hear from you Geoff, and at 87 a competent 'Internet' user to post great comments. I did see 46206 (Princess Marie Louise) probably at either Nuneaton or Rugby in the mid 50's - always my favourite locomotives and arguably the best ever made by LMS, except perhaps the 'City's' / 'Coronation' Class. Regards, live long and prosper !*
Hello Geoffrey, greetings from an old Stoke Gifford Shunter.
A terrific record of the power and grace of this lovely locomotive. As mentioned in other comments you have done well to maintain a constant stream of high powered images and sounds which I know from experience takes a lot of research, legwork and patience. Ollie is doing well in the shed at Loughborough when I looked in today but I won't be reprising the descaling of the inside of the tender tank as I'm ten years older than when the job was last done!
I remember ‘Ollie’ coming through my home town a few years ago. I was at work & convently my workplace is next to the station. My manager very kindly let me have an extended tea break so that I could see it pass through. I have never forgotten it’s power & that whistle.
Fantastic , my late Dad worked at Stratford and in the steam days his regular loco was 70040 "Clive of India" , running the Liverpool Street to Norwich main line.
Snap, My dad, Joe Painting, was a driver at Stratford, doing the same runs., His Fav was 70037 "Hereward the Wake". He cried the day it shed a rod up North somewhere, and was towed to the scrap line.
Great video. Ollie is a fine engine that deserves to run again. The last time I saw it was in Thetford Forest on route to Norwich and the sound of its whistle echoing through the woodland was magnificent.
Sounds like my picnic spot at Santon Downham.
@@vicsams4431 It was indeed Santon Downham. We often had picnics near the level crossing or at the nearby St. Helen's picnic site before all the nice bits were blocked off (by English Heritage?) and thus ruined. There are still good locations for videos and photos, however.
As a boy, I loved Santon Downham . We used to have a picnic at the level crossing. Walk the trails. Look at the fish in the River Little Ouse. Have an ice cream at the post office in the village. Before the Forestry Commission built the visitors centre @ 1975 there used to be a large wooden barn type structure my Dad used to joke was built by the Vikings. The bridge over the river was in the style of a railway bridge. It was not until decades later that I discovered it was part of a narrow gauge timber railway from the 1920s.
Most steam locomotives are powerful and majestic. This one is also a rare thing of beauty.
70013: I pulled the last steam locomotive service in BR
Vale of Rheidol: Hold my lubricating oil
Is the service you are talking about passenger service? The last services to be hauled by steam were in the North East, and it wasn't Oliver Cromwell that hauled them.
@@nigeljohnson8022 Really...? And where was that?
The north west was the last place to get steam hauled passenger trains
@@nigeljohnson8022 The last BR services to be hauled by steam were on the Vale of Rheidol line before it was sold in 1989.
@@edwardshirley9314 I thought the discussion was about mainline steam, this isn't mainline steam
@@nigeljohnson8022 The original post says: "I pulled the last steam locomotive service in BR". That was in 1989 on the Vale of Rheidol.
A fabulous and valuable collection of excellent shots here. Thank you.
No nonsense. Brute force. Just like it's namesake. Gotta love it.
I’ve always liked Brits going back to when I used to see them as a spotter , we are so lucky to have 2 in preservation . Great video by the way .
My old man was a driver at Stratford. He was on the Liverpool street to Norwich run. He loved brits, his favs (and he claimed the fastest) were 70037 "hereward the wake" and 70007 Coeur de Lion
MrKnowwun , I’m sure that I’ve heard or read that Coeur de Lion was always reckoned to be a special loco , I used to spot them at either Bishops Stortford or Chelmsford in my youth . As they were used across the country I never saw the whole class regrettably .
Awesome video. The locomotive is a magnificent beast, such power and presence
OmG what a beautiful machine. I love the colour and she sounds fantastic. Thank you for this great video.
A very fine tribute to a splendid engine. Haste ye back, Ollie - you really wouldn't enjoy pottering about at 25mph....
I had the honour and immense pleasure to be on her last trip from London Liverpool Street to Norwich, however she failed around Tivetshall and was shoved by the Class 47 on the rear. The sound she made was truly superb and her acceleration up Bethnal Green Bank put many a Class 90 to shame. I first met her at Bressingham in the mid 1970s as a shy lad that was offered a footplate ride, but I was too shy to say 'yes'. It remains one of life's greatest regrets !
Many, many years ago as a wee boy (about 8yrs old?) my father and I were taken around the Norwich Thorpe Sheds by our friend 'Uncle David' who worked as a firebox cleaner but standing on the ground beside a Britannia I was so terrified I stubbornly refused to go up into the cab! Another life long regret. :-)
@@jcmgt Thanks for your reply. That sounds just like what happened to me at Bressingham in the early 1970s. They were selling footplate rides for 10p (2s) but I was too afraid to go up on the footplate. So I missed the opportunity to ride on 70013's footplate. If it is any consolation, I did ride the N7 tank from Marks Tey to Sudbury. It was so cramped and so hot. There is nothing to stop you falling out, and you have nothing to hold on to, with loads of others all in there too. I was wary to grab any pipework to hold onto, in case it was red hot. I have not been on a steam loco footplate since. I prefer diesel locos and electric locos. I have ridden in the cab in Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Hungary, Austria and Canada. The Hungarian driver even insisted that I drive !
Poetry in Motion Beautiful Locomotive.
I remember "cabbing" Oliver Cromwell in the early 1960's at the old Manchester Exchange station. Thanks for sharing these scenes.
That's one powerful Loco, seen it many times during my younger days at Wigan on its way North to Scotland, it would be a shame if it wasn't renovated and returned to main line work.
That's one angry locomotive, it's hissing, steam venting but chirpy whistle.
4.41, it had calmed down ..... Then full rage again......
Beautiful video, factual commentry is also very interesting. Hoping to see more such videos in future.
I love its adorably cheerful whistle.
💖 LOVED this! I've only "met" Ollie once, that being at the GCR Gala Day in August last year to commemorate 50 years since the end of regular BR steam. I quickly took a liking to him! Let's hope that the overhaul and financing thereof, are a key topic for the NRM's first Board Meeting of 2019! I'm an Aussie that loves British steam - I'll kick in a few Pounds if needed!
cheers
Great collection of shots thank you, If ever there was a coercion to 'Drive It Like You Stole It', this is it. A steam train being hammered is a glorious sight to behold.
Exhilarating to see them going at full chat!
Oliver a superb locomotive.
Excellent footage!
For me there is just something beautiful about old steam engines as they run down the track!! Perhaps it is the beat, or the hiss of steam as the slow or speed up!! Maybe it is the view of the could of smoke in their wake, but I miss being around steam engines and the elegant simple way they travel as they work!!
It's all those things...the smell of hot metal, steam and oil.
Closest I got to Ollie was at Bressingham, the tiny trundle up and down their 100 yards of track back in the 70’s/80’s. Then I see I missed the specials with Sir Nige out of Bishop’s Stortford. I saw Sir Nige in the sidings didn’t know Ollie was also there, that was in the 90’s. It’s true that steam engines are special and famous and named locomotives even more so. My favourite locomotive is Sir Nige but Ollie is right up there with regards to having my affection, a strange thing to have, affection for a large piece of metal you don’t even own.
I have a photograph of my late father and my very young sister exiting the cab of 'Ollie' at Bressingham after one of its little runs in about 1980. A treasured memory.
A magnificent beast and fantastic filming
Lovely tribute, great clips and sad to see her leaving the mainline, perhaps for the last time, but there is always hope :)
lets hope
Scotsman is theoretically the only surviving GNR Pacific. She was 95% complete at the time the LNER was born. Much as I love the A4s, I'd happily lose one (not 4468) to have Great Northern preserved.
Seeing the various guises that A4s and the Bulleids wear at times, I'm surprised 4472 has actually acted the part of 1470 occasionally. The plates are intact at York...
@@lordbelvoir2543 nah old Scotsman is better to some and not to others but to me he's amazing
Any other steam engine: peep peep,hello! Can't chatter,bye!
Oliver Cromwell: *visible fury*
Great vid - congrats!
No wonder a bearing failed, they were running the crap out of that!
Fabulous video!
thanks
Great compilation,will miss Oliver Cromwell.
indeed
Hi Geoff, Great compilation & Info. SAVE.....Dave
cheers Dave
Cheers Geoff. Thanks for reply ..Dave
The Hammer Effect is also 👌
*Just living up to its namesake, terrifying wart's 'an all !*
Great video, thumbs up :)
Thanks
Fantastic video
thanks
No locomotive sounds as angry as 'Ollie'!
Beautiful
Calm down, Ollie, calm down!
Nice tribute - some great footage. Hope they find the money for restoration - it is a great loco for fast runs!
If you take Tangmere* out of the mix, its been my favourite loco, always puts on a show, and if it cant do that it will substitute drama. *Tangmere, now there is drama and crisis by the bucket load.
I can add any of the Stanier Pacifics. They all either produce blindingly brilliant runs. Or disappoint horribly!!! There seem to be no half-measures to them...
Oliver has one of the very finest chime whistles in all Christendom. I just love it.
I love British steam but finest whistle in Christendom? That must be on the other side of the Atlantic surely?
Well Paul, you certainly have a point. I have never had the pleasure of hearing an American or Canadian steam whistle other than on film, and they certainly sound awesome. I have, however, ridden behind Cromwell which certainly makes me thoroughly biased. I suspect the preference is a matter of personal choice but I might be open to persuasion!
@@martinchamberlain542 😀
I would be pretty upset too if I were an engine, having to stay at the works and not going out on the main line.
I hope we’ll see it thunder along the mainline metals again. I have fond memories of being one of the Young scared children as 70013 tore through Ely in the early 90’s. Funny enough, it failed shortly after I saw it that day! Lovely collection of videos of another of our fantastic steam locos. I was so born in the wrong decade. 🙄
As a child in Norfolk in the Fiftes I saw this loco quite a few times. Then some fifty or more years later I happened to be in Swanage awaiting a local heritage train when it turned up on an excursion - it was wonderful to see this "ghost from my youth", all the more remarkable for the coincidence.
if you were a child in the 50's my father could well have been firing or driving Olly when you saw it.
@@MrKnowwun Oddly enough I wasn't overly impressed in those days, everything being steam-hauled including my daily train to and from school (not by a Brit of course, which is why I remembered Olly), and I was a "cool" young teenager. But now I just love visiting Steam Galas at Heritage lines (my two nearest being IOW and Watercress Line).
You can see why steam reached its limits - the stresses on the reciprocating parts must be getting close to failure.
In this vid its not seen at more than 75MPH, Britannia class locos had 6'2" driving wheels for mixed traffic speeds up to 90mph. A4 class locos, designed to haul fast passenger only up to 100mph had 6'8" driving wheels. Bigger the wheels the slower the motion has to go.
Rode on the footplate when he was at Bressingham in the late 80s. Wonderful loco!
Great video including those Brits with their heads out the carriage windows. Video wouldn't be complete without rail fans stretching their necks to have a look forward. Glad to hear about the rebuild; you do it right in the UK.
Is ollie Cromwell in overhaul and when is it due back on the mainline as it is a sight to be hold at speed liz hall lincoln
The boiler’s not life-expired. It’s just come to the end of its 10 year certificate.
Pedant.
Edward Shirley Not pedantic, just explaining the difference between needing a new boiler and the current boiler needing a new certificate.
@@gregkiteos1936 Innit.
Awesome piece of machinery
I remember the old steam trains. Most ended up in the graveyard at barry docks where I lived. I use to play on them when I was a kid.
I remember people saying there’s diesel trains coming. Couldn’t wait to see one. Then all of a sudden, the steam trains disappeared and the novelty of the diesels, soon warn off
The Machine that changed the world but now forgotten .
Never forgotten, the steam heritage movement is alive and well - thriving with visitors!
First loco I ever rode on the footplate of during its time at Bressingham
me to was a long time ago i got a pic of me standing by the wheel when i was about 6 years old
A steam locomotive like that one will easily put most diesels to shame!
There's a diesel on the arse end pushing
@Gareth John
Really? It's a bit difficult to tell in the footage.
E-ManAnimates ha ha
No, that diesel is probably only delivering power to the coaches. It probably isn't pushing.
In style and nostalgia, yes. In practicality and ease of use, no. That's why diesels are here now and most steam engines are in museums or have been scrapped.
Just one beautiful machine!!! I truly hope they find a way to replace the boiler.
Trent Waters The boiler is not being replaced. Every steam loco boiler is given a 10 year certificate once it’s passed all the tests.
@@gregkiteos1936
Greg....thanks for the info, I wasn't aware that was how it worked. I could only imagine what a boiler replacement would be.
The engineers don't wave from the trains anymore, not like they did back in 1954
Can't be denied can it - something about Riddles' Britannias isn't there?
@The Armchair SpacemanTM And what, pray, is stupid about the "Britannia" class name? It was the name given by the Romans to the province now known as England and Wales.
@The Armchair SpacemanTM Weren't' they also known as Standards? I can remember travelling from Reading to Paddington being hauled by 70000, Britannia herself, back in the day.
The way he puffs around all fast and stuff makes him look mad
I've seen oli ripping thru dawlish. Omg the station shook
great vid hope oliver gets well soon
Great compilation. The wreath on the last clip could, sadly, have a double meaning.
they should overhaul Cromwell! fantastic locomotive to be on the Mainline, and let others see one of the engines from the 15th Guinea from 1968. met this loco 3 times and its a treasure to meet.
dude...they're doing just that
Lovelie video
Yes , let's hope Angry Ollie will be back , with a new boiler and a complete rebuild , I am it is worth it !
She was never denied by her staff working hard by the looks of things, what a splendid roar this engine creates, the Brit and standard 4MT tanks are the best standard designs in my opinion.
9F was a very, very special design. The neglect they suffered through almost all their lives, and yet they made the 'long drag' look easy, despite ridiculously heavy loads. It's a pity that freight locos are so often overlooked.
There was also the case when King's X Top Shed had to supply a loco for a Royal train at short notice. All the Pacifics were out and about, and the only 'big' loco available was a 9F. Apparently, even with her little 5' 2" wheels, she topped 90mph... And the Royal was NOT a lightweight train!
Bugger me. The Bridge @ the 6.22 mark Bloooody Beautiful. I wants one, and I wants it now. Can someone tell me where this bridge is at? Thank You.
@The Armchair SpacemanTM Thanks, TAS!!!!! Just waked the road, on Google Earth. Sure is a bottler. Near 200 years old.
My favourite engine I never forget the time I was on board a rail tour from king's cross to skegness coming out of king's cross we hit gas works tunnel went in white when we came out I was black cos of the soot lol
@Johnny Dodger.... " we hit gas works tunnel went in white when we came out I was black cos of the soot"....maybe that's what kunekune meant when he reminisced about how "man was as much a part of the machine as the drivers".
I flipping well hope see comes back!
1:58 is a terrific shot
Where is that great stone bridge Ollie crosses about 6:20 into the video? Amazing structure I've never seen before. Needs to be a movie location!
Harringworth (or Welland) viaduct between Oakham and Kettering.
@@neillbuckley8183 good try, its the Balcombe Viaduct en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouse_Valley_Viaduct
Hi Geoff, did reply when it first came up ,..Dave
I've uploaded 2 video's of 70013 oliver Cromwell through Ashford International
If that was a car it would be red-lining!
The lad on the overbridge steps at 1:50 - LOLOL. Big sis (presumably) doesn't turn a hair LOL!
If I was that kid, I'd be at the top of the bridge to get stuck in all the steam
i ve seen 70013 at a dead nrm shildon gala with itquietly sitting there looking quiet furiouse as if mr angry olliver was wanting to scream
A bit late, but can anyone explain why/how its exhaust was seemingly so clean! Much water vapour and very apparent smoke to be seen!? Cheers
Its a good clean hot fire with good coal, dark smoke is soot, not properly burned coal
I'm a lifelong model engineer having constructed 7 coal fired passenger hauling locos, 5 in 5in gauge and 2 in 7.25 gauge. They burn anthracite coal which is classed as a smokeless fuel, it burns very hot and clean with little or no smoke. I have had people ask me if my engines were electric or even clockwork.
We have some very high quality coal in Wales but these mines are now closed over green issues and we import sub standard coal from abroad😢
Amazing to hear a Brit sounding like a sewing machine instead of a bag of spanners! Must have been put together by proper engineers.
Which country do you originate from,as you appear to be a crappy yank
@@davidjones3758 eh? Do you actually know what a 'Brit' is? I doubt it or you would have not pushed the send button.
@Arthur Reeding , I reckon David Jones was upset because your wording appeared to insinuate that most other steam locos running in the U.K. sound like a “bag of spanners” which is totally incorrect . I must admit that I took exception to your response . We have many excellent steam loco engineers in this country keeping many steam locos in very good working condition .
Eh?...do you ever recall seeing any of the Brits in service? Even Brittania herself has sounded off on more than one occasion!
This footage shows and we can hear that a Brit doesn't have to sound rough when looked after properly. If that doesn't make sense then I don't know what does? Where was the reference to anything other than a Brit? I could have said 9fs always sounded rough, but considering what they were put through that is hardly a surprise.
When these engines were in daily service, they never received the kind of attention they get these days did they, hence my comments about a bag of spanners. Is that not clear enough?
@Arthur Reeder , you sound like a crotchety, condescending and rude old man who is devoid of any social skills . I suggest that you go to bed early with a cup of cocoa in your nursing home and wake up in the morning in a happier state of mind for the staff who unfortunately have to put up with you .
Steam trains may be noisy rattly and make a mess , but the modern sleek quiet smooth running modern trains do nothing for me I miss the trains of my youth I felt that I’d made a train journey other than a trip.
0:44: well, I guess they call her a children scarer for a reason!
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wow beautifully old fashion train...
keep the train run run service
*What was that 'dropped off' at **4:18** ?*
Lump of coal from the tender, a big eff off lump.
@@MrKnowwun thanks, must be the only loco throwing rocks back at the public :o
@@philt4346 Its done it more than once.
@@philt4346 mode like throwing bricks
If is going to cost that much to repair why not offer it to the public in the way of shares, there is a huge interest in this locomotive and I'm sure people would love to have shares in it if they were given the chance.
*Great Idea, and with current Main Line Steam Tours being sold out, could be a profitable venture. Go on 'Dragons Den' and I bet Peter who loves trains might have a punt.*
At the risk of sounding like a neophyte, what’s problem?
I know boilers need to be overhauled every few years for mainline work, and I know whilst the NRM own Ollie, it’s been actually prepared and looked after by the 5303 Locomotive Association. So is it the case that the 5303 LA can’t overhaul her unless the NRM stump up the cash and the NRM won’t? Has there been a falling out between the two and the NRM want to take their ball home? What gives?
5305 LA only have it on a 10 year loan agreement for care and maintenance. The NRM own it and have yet to decide to renew the loan, finance the overhaul or even keep it in the national collection. There is talk of a static exhibition. 5305 cant do it on their own.
MrKnowwun cheers for the info. Pity if it does get stuffed, as there’s loads of stuff at both York and Shildon that will never steam again they can exhibit. It’s a shame to let one that can be overhauled relatively easily go to waste.
2:52 Why is there a single red light at the front of the train?
Its white, but the camera has out a red artefact round it. Combination of settings required in that light.
I suggest it's down to cash and significant amounts of it. Steam locomotives are expensive to maintain and repair. Donations gratefully received.
Well, it's good that we still have Britannia 70000 for the time being while Oliver Cromwell gets a rebuild.
great collection,have you vidded it all yourself?
cheers.
Yes the vids are all mine.
That,s impressive mate.
thanks.
Thrashed continually, within an inch of its life..
What can you expect?
Cromwell is being refurbished by GCRW, though, it's going at the back of the queue.
The GCRW are merely a workshop, they are not the owners they won't be paying for it. Do you know where the money is coming from?
@@MrKnowwun I was doing a walk round in November to become a volunteer where I was told it's being rebuilt. I wasn't told anything any else
They are rebuilding a few trains at Loughborough when I was there, too. They are not the owners but they work on multi operators trains.
This loco is owned by the NRM who are providing the rebuild finances as far as I know .
How big are her driving wheels??
6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) And its HE, All other steam locos are she, 70013 is an angry bad tempered HIM
😩😫burh ollie be like when too angry😂🤣
You can't beat the old steam trains 👍🇬🇧🤗😉🙋
Certainly seems high revving?
Most express locos had wheels 6'8" dia. The Brits were mixed traffic locos, and only had 6'2" wheels, hence the faster "revs" of the driving wheels
Great nice footage MrKnowwun giving she has been dismantled it would appear that she could return to the mainline?
Always a pity that GW 6010 was never preserved. Imagine the 4-6-0 and Ollie shedded together - or even double-heading...
Paul Caswell
Which King was that? That would have been an awesome combination :)
I hope so🇬🇧