Fujitsu employees give evidence in Post Office Horizon IT inquiry - watch live
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Employees from Fujitsu, the company behind the IT system that resulted in the Post Office wrongfully prosecuting more than 900 operators, give evidence at the inquiry
So it now seems, due to internal communications between post office board and their lawyers, that they had knowledge of faults with the HORIZON system yet buried the evidence whilst still continuing with prosecutions. This is corporate criminality and the lawyers should be struck off. Then both board and lawyers should be given prison sentences.
With Neuberger and Grabiner right at the top!
Sewell epitomises everything that is wrong with this whole case..He should be standing in a court of law..not sitting in an inquiry with amnesia..
Here is the thing, apart from all the other aspects of this affair the role of Lord Neuberger in the Recusal seems to have escaped attention.
I have therefore pasted the following ‘The role of Lord Neuberger in the recusal fiasco (Justice Fraser) should be investigated’ on as many RUclips articles as I could, about ten, but when I checked to see if there was any response I discovered they had all been taken down.
This Kafkaesque episode staggers one at every turn, even when Big brother has been outed he seems to be still working away!
I really want to know why Lord Neuberger interfered , if the recusal had succeeded the whole noble attempt at taking on the stinking system would have failed.
An unprofessional man to say the least! Sounds like bullying to me and nastiness to me
You don't last long on the Greasy Pole, if you're not a 'Yes' person.
Likely enjoying long lunches after the exhausting process of delegating
@@jegpad I hope he managed to find his way home after this. His memory is soooooo bad. 👿
Seems that Peter Sewell took a salary for a number of years but actually did nothing whatsoever to earn it.
One of many.
That thread runs right through this inquiry.
Another empty suit.
Look, he did some performance appraisals and the odd monthly meeting, maybe even the odd ad-hoc meeting, all of which must have kept him running on his hamster wheel 🐹
Covering his mouth with his hand is a sign of deceit. Here is a manager in charge of a small team that didnt know what is going on in his team.
When are the arrests coming? Or is that only applicable for the 'little people'
The inquiry needs to be completed. Prosecuting without looking at everything first is how this travesty started.
The answer is in your question.
Mr Sunak - This is a Scotland Yard case. If it was in the USA then FBI would have been called in immediately.
exactly, explosive.
It seems to me that all you need to get a management position at Fujitsu is alzheimer's.
Peter Sewell is trying to pin his incompetence on Gerald Barnes… Getting increasingly evasive and defensive with regular returns to technical issues and the technical team. He is denying things right in front of him, conveniently not remembering when things get sticky but remembering very minor issues when convenient.
This man has nothing to say that's of any consequence, its all 'Not my area', 'not my area of expertise' etc etc. What a waste of everyones time. Give the Postmasters their due!!
Bit of advice for anyone who is ever involved in maintaining a system that is as buggy as Horizon is. Leave, get a job elsewhere, go back to uni, spend a year hiking. This is a system that had at least one programmer who didn't deal with error conditions. They then attempted to identify errors by looking for patterns in the audit output, that seems a bit risky. They fixed other errors by remotely reentering data. This should have been done through a special application. You shouldn't have trouble with conflicts from running end of day. Run it at midnight and lock everyone out while it is run.
This is no help, every stem as bugs/defects/exceptions!
I am baffled that an accounting system could run into this problem! Are lawyers it literate? Many are posting that Fujitsu should go back to school!!!
2:08:28 “Are you able to assist us with that or is it too technical?” Brilliant!! Well done!
Ironically referring to Disaster Recovery
@@jegpad😂😂
And for another 15 mins or so. When they discuss the ‘watered down’ document.
And for another 15 mins or so. When they discuss the ‘watered down’ document.
I realise this guy was a relatively low-level cog in the scandal - however, as people started to be prosecuted, why didn't he think some of this might be worth mentioning. I've been involved with software for thirty years. There is no set of circumstances where I can think I would have thought this was acceptable.
For a senior employee of Fujitsu he appears a bumbling fool that doesn't know much about any thing he is reapable for.
Peter Sewell, does he remember waking up and attending the enquiry, sounds like the little boy saying it’s wasn’t me, he’s job title should be , Peter “pass the buck” Sewell.
Bumbling fools of employees at Fujitsu
Not bumbling fools, they knew their cards would be marked if they displayed any concern.
Wonder how much his salary is
Buck passing on an industrial scale. “ Not me Gov !”
This man hasn't got a clue needs sacked and prosecuted
He absolutely is clued up. He’s PRETENDING he didn’t know anything. He’s trying to avoid JAIL!
I'm really struggling to understand how Mr Sewell had a management role in an organisation like Fujitsu. I watched this live and imagined Fujitsu management with their heads in their hands, crying. At least, I hope they were. If not, they care about this affair as little as he seems to have done.
When your company is a parasite on government with unlimited sums at its disposal, of course bugs like this are employed and retain their employment.
It's japanese company. Very, very traditional japanese company. Strong hierarchy like military. You not oppose your boss. If your boss says to you:" from now on you call red color green" you just follow without a word.
You do our job and not think outside box.
Combo foreign gov contract + large japanese corporation = big trouble.
Also keep in mind that Fujitsu have also handful of sw debacles in their home country.
They knew it was buggy before it went live. One of the senior devs offered to rewrite the faulty counter part in about 6 weeks. He was shut down and moved to another team.
Is in witness statements from the original inquiry.
Is Mr Barnes certain that he's actually alive ?
Not his area of expertise. He has no medical qualifications and is not qualified to confirm that he is actually alive.
Not his area of expertise
I can’t be certain of anything other than prosecutions were definitely needed. Wow.
Selective memories at their finest!
A lot of people in the comments think most of these witnesses lack competence in their jobs, and using that to explain the current situation. Understand that these witnesses knew EXACTLY what they were doing from day #1 - that once court cases started to appear and convictions/jail/etc handed out, the PO, Fujitsu etc's #1 priority was to cover up Horizon's bugs/faults. This is painfully obvious in all those historical documents. The massive fallout of having conviction after conviction overturned was clearly too great a 'burden', so they took the cowards way out and tried to hide the truth.
Let's hope this enquiry is not controlled by cowards.
Best entertainment since the raising of the Concordia - watched from start to finish.
My friend you belong in jail.
Why can’t say …look what’s your choice ….totally incompetent and jail time …or nasty vindictive evil….more jail time. Only two options
A parasite on a government contract--a blind bug.
She is polite but powerful.
No need for that BS.
I’m struggling wondering How and Why any of the staff done or understood anything absolutely shocking right through the whole Buisness it’s is disgusting they all need to stand trial and go down NOW
What a clunky system Horizon is. It's an accounting system that's clearly not fit for purpose. It clearly falls short when it comes to handling errors such as power and comms failures. Surely the post office execs would have been aware of these flaws shortly after it's roll out. So for Vennells to tell parliament, the press, the courts, year after year, that the system was robust she was obviously lying. She has clearly signaled to her corporate team to repeat nothing but bold face lies for which she deserves serious condemnation. This is the problem with promoting none technical, autocratic spin merchants into positions of authority who are only concerned with profits at the expense of peoples lives and justice. The damage and injustice we see here is a result of one eyed, callous, corporate psychopathy in action.
He is meant to be a professional. Can’t remember the indicative dates.
Privatising a public entity to an insentivesd share ,CEO bonus model ...what could possibly go wrong
Is this guy for real and how did he get the job.
Having watched the first 90 min or so of this... What seems odd to me is the fact network outages could obviously cause imbalances.. I understand the network traffic is used to keep things appearing real time, but why on earth didn't they maintain a local database that recorded all the transactions too. Then if that was submitted as a batch at a scheduled time (i.e. each Post Office has a timeslot during the night to submit the summary so as to not overwhelm the system), that could be used to make sure everything reconciled and produced reporting off that - before any kind of prosecution case was commenced. I can understand making changes to the core system that handles all the network traffic would be risky, but bolting on a database update should have been relatively straightforward to integrate. Ironically it seemed to be the peak traffic that was causing issues at End Of Day. And heck you wouldn't even need to send the summary, just keep it on the drive at the servers in the post office themselves - archive the data annually etc onto backups. Use it when there were disputes to double check.
Totally out of his competence level, whenever someone answers a question by saying they aren’t qualified and he is supposed to have oversight of potential criminal charges, and he is being paid by ultimately us, this is a tad more serious than anyone could have imagined.
Mr Barnes is so vague. He comes across as a little pythonesque
"What type of involvement did you have in the Horizon rollout" Sewell:"I was probably the manager of the development team". Probably!! Talk about slopey shoulders
Fujitsu lawyers briefings should have been provided ….clearly forget everything the requirement probably under threat
If it was an SQL backend database it would appear that a deadlocked transaction process was being killed of by the server which would lead to missing data. That woild imply very poor error handling within the overall application and there is no way that senior management weren't being made aware. Also where are the fujitsu internal help desk logs or software audit trails
Erased ?
When a lock is held for too long (during the EOD process), then other transactions (being transacted by branches) could be lost if the error checking on a lock timeout is not handled properly. Not rocket science for these IT staff!
Just shocking. Fraudulent behavior by these people. There is a lot who need to be stripped of a lot of their wealth because except for the worst / senior management, the public should not be forced to pay for the jail time.
Transaction integrity is everything. Without the system cannot be considered as reliable
They have all taken Salaries and never had to do anything for their pay
From his tone he is lying all the way.
"I was just obeying orders"...It is sickening that not one of these losers has the backbone to come clean now that the cat is out of the bag. The PO culture being scrutinised here has clearly not changed at all - deny, deflect, 'forget'.
Evidently the postmasters were stitched right up.
Penny Thomas is a superstar. Kicking off about everything and tasked with everything too.
Sewell is a piece of work
This guy is a chocolate teapot.
Vague ambiguous answers
A complete coverup and the Post Office had to protect their brand and FJ to save its software system. But who will compensation to those who lost all. From their jobs, homes, heath and in some cases their lives.
I think his needle has got stuck
WHY IS THIS INCOMPETENT FUJITSU STILL A P.O. ONTRACTOR?
Watching all the process it seems that the e mails etc written how much enjoyment if that’s the right word the people involved are having , like you are guilty and we will prove it , it’s one big cover up my sadness is not knowing enough , but we pay so much to so many different parts of the justice system to protect us all plus the government
They shouldn’t ask “do you recall… ?” questions. They’ll just answer “No.”
Their ability to remember NOW emails they were sent 10-15 years ago bears no relevance. They should be asked “together, as we look at this email, what do we understand or conclude? What are the 2 or 3 most likely take-aways?”
They should stop asking if they recall ‘receiving and reading’ an email They’ll just deny it. Instead, just say “here’s a message you are in receipt of to your work email. It advises you that….It makes you aware of….”
Is there a video of Gareth Jenkins being interviewed by the inquiry???
I can’t I won’t so leave me alone I’m not technical as I have no brains just Straw in my head
Should stop asking him yes or no questions. Unfortunately, he evades answering open questions. Should ask Sewell questions by saying “so, tell me…” or “talk me through your logic”.
One of the important actions that I think is imperative is to switch to Amazon Web Services (AWS) for Post Office Operations. IT moves on and AWS is one of the leading software platforms on the market. This is a recurring problem that Government always picks old technology that delivers a poor service, low reliability and a high error rate. The sooner we drop Fujitsu the better.
So hand all the money over to Jeff Bezos? Genius!
@@breeze_japanese You’re welcome.
The software defects described are caused by bugs in the code rather than how the software is hosted. Migrating infrastructure over to AWS would accomplish nothing. AWS does not provide bespoke software development services.
@@1Starsky11 The Fujitsu system is old technology and I don't believe they are a top tier IT company. In my opinion AWS could be the right platform to use along with partners who specialise in POS systems. Taking strategic IT decisions now can put the Fujitsu disaster behind us and create a world class system that all stakeholders can be proud of.
Let's run the bug- ridden software on a different computer. 😂
Yet again i dont remember
Summat in the air round post office and Fujitsu managers. Gave em all selective memories lol. That Elaine Cottam had no memory of anything, but then threw shade on a post mistress husband. Pffffft
Fujitsu was run by lightweights
he is a real beauty does not seem to know much
He couldn’t sell a lollypop he is a prize Pratt
18:18 "virtual counter gap" is a manual SQL insert?
peter sewel not me guv carnt remember.
I wounder how many tax concessions this group gained ? maybe that and future concessions is why these people are prepard to take the hit for the post office scandal ?
When Peter Sewell is anxious and senses himself ‘trapped’, his left hand shields his mouth. The index finger forms the ‘H1tl3r moustache’ effect. He then leans forward, his hands clasped together on the desk, with interlocking fingers.
SO smug.
Emler Fud would do a better job.
who is the smirking fool ?
To be honest he doesn’t seem all there, no doubt suited the post office
1.5 speed or higher
she is treating him like a child. He needs to tell her off.
He needs jail as well as a telling off lol. She's magnificent in her questioning 🤯
Conservatives tactics during Covid inquiry.
I bet it was written in C basic😂😂😂
Some of it was written in visual basic 5... and that is NOT a joke.
@@fredsmith1970 TBF, the Horizon software development started mid/late 1990s, when VB5 had only just been released, and this version was supported by Microsoft well into the 2000s as I recall. Of course, the platform would ideally have been refreshed to VB6 and/or .Net in time, if only to stay in step with the current version of the product, but whether it was or not I don't know.
😂😂😂😂 a bit of a pyhthom 😂😂😂
@@coam3708 google "David McDonnell witness statement"
2:25:00 “I wasn’t qualified”
you hate to see it; say less,say less...
He is well named Peter the denier
He is well named Peter the denier isn’t know I don’t care as long as I’m allright Jack
Dragon AI
Dunno nuffink guv
This is the worst case of “I don’t know” in this whole fiasco. He acts as if he was an office junior. No responsibility, authority, opinion, involvement.