Nice brackets! Word of caution from someone who's done this sort of thing before and learned some lessons the hard way. RAID controllers can get pretty hot, and don't handle it as gracefully as a CPU. They generally have a tiny heatsink too, so airflow is all the more important. This will probably be even more important on a RAID controller that can handle a bunch of U.2 drives compared to SATA/SAS. I suggest making sure you monitor the temperature on everything available. For RAID controllers you often have to install some hard-to-find package from the vendor to get the temperature readings, but it's worth the effort. The PSUs also suck air from the case. You might want to consider pulling one of the two, if you can sustain a few minutes downtime in the event a PSU fails. That cuts the PSU noise by half. You can also check the manufacturer for compatible parts. There is often a more efficient version of the PSU that requires less cooling and thus ends up being much quieter. Good luck!
Even the highest power raid controller doesn't need a ton of airflow, but it does need *consistent* airflow. Easy to build a duct to direct some extra airflow to it.
so I always buy a new cooler with fans every time I build a new PC, because I keep the old PC as a backup.. but a friend keeps transfering his noctua cooler and managed to buy only TWO coolers in the last 2 years..which he can do because noctua gives you conversion kits for new motherboards and CPUs..
@@olik136 In two years two fans? what a waste of money. Sitting here with my first buyed NH-D15 with the original fans from 2016 and the conversion kit to AM4. 8 Years in service and still rocking. System runs 24/7.
Love that you can squeeze the Noctua fans and have room for drives behind them. I do love the sound of the server fans going full blast but not for very long
Cool that it worked, Noctua mods are allways fun. But comparing efficiency with "zero static pressure" and "max. rated power" from the datasheet does not give meaningfull results. The rated power of the server fans is only used under max. static pressure, where the noctua would transport only minimal air. Efficiency can only be compared in a like for like scenario. Some more tips: Check for hotspots on the motherboard with a thermal camera, due to limited airflow some other components that have no thermal sensors may overheat and die early. Do not throttle the fans even under low load, as some components power consumption is not based on CPU load. ( thats why server fans are locked to not go very low in there RPM)
Paramedic with PhD here. I am bored recently and I find it really interesting to spend winter tinkering with server stuff from scratch. This vid helped me to decide to buy some basic old server to start...
Hot swap bays are the bane of airflow. I had to switch back from a bay design case to modifying its predecessor to include custom disk mounts and fans. Works beautifully now, mind.
Impressive results! Even though you had to use way more fans and a lot of engineering, the performance you got was surprising considering the Noctua fans push so much less air. I really liked how you stacked the fans inside the CPU shroud. The green fan shrouds look dope too.
I presume the reason behind no front mounted fans is due to maintenance. When you are running a datacenter, you want your drives to be up front accessible and swappable as soon as the error is detected. If it was a node/cluster/compute server, then they always have front mounted fans. Cheers, and hope this elaborates as to why that's the case! ^^;
248W at full blast from the original fans is crazy. I guess you don't really think about it but on a data center scale that is a huge amount of power being used just for fans.
I have no idea how old tech works-this guy will say he’s fixing some obscure part with terms I don’t understand, but I still watch every single video because his personality is that good. Keep it up, man, you're the best!
I'm literally a stone's throw from the Taiwan Delta fan's manufacturer's address. There's nothing better than nostalgia mixed in with location familiarity.
OMG 72 F in an office in Phoenix, I am shivering and would have to bring a jacket lol. We keep ours at 75 and I had to redirect the vents away from myself😆That 40-degree whiplash when you go outside is no joke!
I haven't taken an actual ambient air measurement, but I keep it set a little low like that because all the computers and lights heat the room up a lot. So it's probably a little higher than that on average.
@@TechTangents I got ya - I was exaggerating a little bit. Just sitting at my desk, with only a laptop going, and no other air circulation, I was freezing when my corner of the room was in the line of fire... er... frost. I think the room the thermostat is in stays a little warmer, too. A few minutes ago I went outside to sit in full 100 F sun for like 10 minutes to thaw out though...
About the power supply fans: lubrication can make a big difference. I have a spray can of lubricant for electronics, and it makes a big difference when you clean with air and then spray inside the fan with the electronics lubricant.
You could have used the original hot swap brackets and just extended the cables where needed. Also those delta fans use alot of power, but a fan load doesn't dump that power into the case like a resistive load does, so their contribution to heat is basically zero. You can also get better 2U heatsyncs that are made for this sort of work. That and re-pasting everything would probably work fine. Also on all of these sorts of 2U storage servers, you can improve airflow a-lot if you manage the cabling better. Basically, pull all the slack out from behind the backplane, manage it under the fans. Works great, takes like 30 minutes or so. The PSU fans are hard to replace, and depending on the setup, you can double stack 40mm noctuas in them and have them stay cool enough. Worth mentioning that server PSU's are redundant, and far more reliable than desktop/ATX PSU's, you're probably just used to having used ones fail, buy them new and they're good for 5-7years of 24/7 operation, no problem.
Shelby! I watch you a lot! on your Twitch streams! when I seen these 3D fan prints show up. I instantly thought 'Star Wars - Millennium Falcon cockpit' 😎 design 👍
Yeah, I've done something similar with a SuperMicro SC836 chassis (all 80mm fans and some Noctua 3U Xeon coolers), made a HUUUUUGE difference over the absolute SCREAMER San Ace fans, fortunately the originals were on carriers so I could just swap the fan out without having to worry about figuring out how to fit them into the gaps.
I'm just suprised you got the gigabyte fan curve software to work. On the gigabyte servers we have at work its broken and the fans only ever run at 100%. Been nearly 2 years and gigabyte have not fixed it even though its a major feature of their marketing material
IME the first ~6 months of owning a 3D printer is printing upgrades for the printer itself, then the printer becomes a hammer (and every problem is a nail)
Just on an editing note, there were some audio issues towards the end with crackling and the twitch stream vod was low quality. Cool video though and nice server!
The only way this could have been better would have been with a nice Noctua colour scheme on the fan-guards instead of the very aggressive lime-green ;-)
Unfortunate that the cpu cooler doesn't line up with the rear fan exactly. If so you could have made a shroud so you get direct airflow, it being slighlty off centre will create turbulance but i guess it's not a big deal. Arctic S8038-7k that @woe2you2 reccomended in the comments would have been ideal: 7k rpm you can fan control down with cpu temp, regular 38mm @80x80mm, much more static pressure, 0.5A at 12v, available in discount 4 packs... Not as quiet as the Noctua at the same rpm but def better than a standard Delta server jobby (where that's not it's main concern). Good build tho, i've been procrastinating on a home NAS build and i stopped because cases are like either: jank, almost there with a few weird caveats (Jonsbo NAS cases all look the part but have individual weird disadvantages), fair few folk end up using an old Fractal design case that have tons of bays but i wanted something as small as a NAS but much faster/price to performance.
you america guys are so lucky to be able to play around with epyc server for free. truly the best country for technological enthusiasts and alike. unlike in our third tier world country where epyc servers cost $8000. worst country to live in.
I made a PSU blow short by doing this. Which, to be fair, those 40mm redundant brick PSUs are the *worse* possible candidate for this kind of swap, but i did it anyway and it cooked. It happened to be the one attached to the UPS, so the UPS ate the short, and thus *both* the alarm on the chassis and the UPS were screaming at me.
Also, the people saying "WhY UsE a nOcTuA" why don't *you* find a reputable, quiet, affordable and reliable fan available in small quantities at retailers. *ESPECIALLY* when we're talking about obscure (to consumers) fan sizes.
@@XbotcrusherX Go to an electronics parts house. You can sort by square dimension (40,80,120, etc..) and thickness (20,25 ...) and voltage, noise (dB-A), CFM, pressure.... in any quantity from 1 to thousands. I use San Ace, since I can get them in 40-120mm, and get to pick the ratio of CFM/pressure to noise that suits the application. There are also some Qualtek fans that are a little cheaper and very quiet, which I used for 80mm 2-wire positions like PSU replacements. Also, Arctic makes some nice 40/60/80/120 fans that are dead silent if you just need to move a little air. They're not a replacement for a fan that makes a lot of noise, because it probably makes a lot of noise for a good reason. But if you want to add a little positive pressure from the front of a case, they do a great job at that.
but did you manage to get it installed eventually? oh, and have you tried instaling a 200mm fan horizontally over the entire mobo - its surprisingly effective in 2u servers, providing there is sufficient in and out air in the front and back....did this in my pfsense router , and its almost silent now.
I wish RUclips gave us a 720P/30 option on 60FPS uploads (1080P Premium re-encode would be perfect since I pay). I watch YT on low end devices in the summer because of heat output and my internet isn't always the best. Having a 720P/30 would be so much better vs the default 480P.
whatif .. i put resistors on existing fans.. will i see smoke ? what kind of R model do i need .. 5W ? btw: i got one DELTA and put it on full 12V .. yes.. it can be used as a siren.. maybe another project.. for home protection.. ~.~
^ What they said. Fans are not resistive loads, which means placing a resistor in series with the power pin is not going to have the ideal effect. The voltage drop will depend on current draw, which will depend on pressure, rotor position, and other continuously varying factors. An inline regulator is _better,_ but even then, it depends on how the fan motor controller was designed. (The one in the fan, not the motherboard, because DC brushless fans are more than a coil of wire connected between 0v and 12v.) This is why the PWM pin exists now. It is designed to provide a reliable method of fan speed control, instead of resorting to hacks, like we did back in the 3-pin days.
Yes, enterprise ones. PSUs, fans, and HDDs are the most common failure points of any computer. I've swapped out plenty of PSUs from Dell, Cisco, Sun, Juniper, Supermicro ... They live a hard life.
It's literally marked as 'exclusive access' because the product used (The noctuas) are too tightly integrated to be separated from the content. The thumbnail rollover clearly states SPONSORED CONTENT. I fail to see where the problem is here, other than your apparent inability to read.
@@Beany2007FTW exclusive access is not a thing on RUclips, but if you are seeing sponsored content, then maybe the problem got corrected... That is a thing you know. I checked, seems the checkmark got set by now.
Nice brackets! Word of caution from someone who's done this sort of thing before and learned some lessons the hard way. RAID controllers can get pretty hot, and don't handle it as gracefully as a CPU. They generally have a tiny heatsink too, so airflow is all the more important. This will probably be even more important on a RAID controller that can handle a bunch of U.2 drives compared to SATA/SAS. I suggest making sure you monitor the temperature on everything available. For RAID controllers you often have to install some hard-to-find package from the vendor to get the temperature readings, but it's worth the effort.
The PSUs also suck air from the case. You might want to consider pulling one of the two, if you can sustain a few minutes downtime in the event a PSU fails. That cuts the PSU noise by half. You can also check the manufacturer for compatible parts. There is often a more efficient version of the PSU that requires less cooling and thus ends up being much quieter. Good luck!
you aren't kidding, same goes for some NICs, way hotter than you'd think sometimes causing stability issues
@@CheapSushi yeah the older 520 twin 10gigs running cat6 were known to be hot tempered, they need the air.
Even the highest power raid controller doesn't need a ton of airflow, but it does need *consistent* airflow. Easy to build a duct to direct some extra airflow to it.
I don't subscribe to the idea of brand loyalty in most cases however noctua is an exception. I'm a fan of their fans.
Fan-tastic!
It fills me with heavenly joy to know nocuta gave you all that kit.
Ah yes, the number one favorite method of PC cooling, using a jet engine 😆Welcome to Delta airlines ✈
Pratt & Whitney - Dependable Engines
Pretty sure I have given Noctua enough money for a mortgage payment over the years. Love the video!
so I always buy a new cooler with fans every time I build a new PC, because I keep the old PC as a backup.. but a friend keeps transfering his noctua cooler and managed to buy only TWO coolers in the last 2 years..which he can do because noctua gives you conversion kits for new motherboards and CPUs..
@@olik136 In two years two fans? what a waste of money. Sitting here with my first buyed NH-D15 with the original fans from 2016 and the conversion kit to AM4. 8 Years in service and still rocking. System runs 24/7.
The power of Beige, Brown, and glow in the dark bright Green!
Love that you can squeeze the Noctua fans and have room for drives behind them. I do love the sound of the server fans going full blast but not for very long
Cool that it worked, Noctua mods are allways fun.
But comparing efficiency with "zero static pressure" and "max. rated power" from the datasheet does not give meaningfull results.
The rated power of the server fans is only used under max. static pressure, where the noctua would transport only minimal air.
Efficiency can only be compared in a like for like scenario.
Some more tips:
Check for hotspots on the motherboard with a thermal camera, due to limited airflow some other components that have no thermal sensors may overheat and die early.
Do not throttle the fans even under low load, as some components power consumption is not based on CPU load. ( thats why server fans are locked to not go very low in there RPM)
Good advice
i love when ideas just kinda cascade into more ideas improving more things while also tackling the original problems like this.
Paramedic with PhD here. I am bored recently and I find it really interesting to spend winter tinkering with server stuff from scratch. This vid helped me to decide to buy some basic old server to start...
What an EPYC Conversion! Very COOL!
Thanks Jordan, That was great!
Was that a bazinga.....
Hot swap bays are the bane of airflow. I had to switch back from a bay design case to modifying its predecessor to include custom disk mounts and fans. Works beautifully now, mind.
Nice hat Marty!
Very nice of Noctua to provide the fans for this.
I gave my fileserver the Noctua treatment as well lol.
Impressive results! Even though you had to use way more fans and a lot of engineering, the performance you got was surprising considering the Noctua fans push so much less air. I really liked how you stacked the fans inside the CPU shroud. The green fan shrouds look dope too.
I presume the reason behind no front mounted fans is due to maintenance. When you are running a datacenter, you want your drives to be up front accessible and swappable as soon as the error is detected. If it was a node/cluster/compute server, then they always have front mounted fans.
Cheers, and hope this elaborates as to why that's the case! ^^;
Also you want the drive state indicators to be visible.
4:59 You could 3d print in PETG, PCTG or ASA.
Or ABS
Honestly that's pretty impressive I love it
248W at full blast from the original fans is crazy. I guess you don't really think about it but on a data center scale that is a huge amount of power being used just for fans.
I have no idea how old tech works-this guy will say he’s fixing some obscure part with terms I don’t understand, but I still watch every single video because his personality is that good. Keep it up, man, you're the best!
When I built my modern Nova 1200 PSU, I used industrial Noctuas to keep it cool.
Always nice to see some fan-sponsored content!
I'm literally a stone's throw from the Taiwan Delta fan's manufacturer's address. There's nothing better than nostalgia mixed in with location familiarity.
OMG 72 F in an office in Phoenix, I am shivering and would have to bring a jacket lol. We keep ours at 75 and I had to redirect the vents away from myself😆That 40-degree whiplash when you go outside is no joke!
I haven't taken an actual ambient air measurement, but I keep it set a little low like that because all the computers and lights heat the room up a lot. So it's probably a little higher than that on average.
@@TechTangents I got ya - I was exaggerating a little bit. Just sitting at my desk, with only a laptop going, and no other air circulation, I was freezing when my corner of the room was in the line of fire... er... frost. I think the room the thermostat is in stays a little warmer, too. A few minutes ago I went outside to sit in full 100 F sun for like 10 minutes to thaw out though...
I did a noctua fan mod on my brocade 48 port switch. It’s now quieter than my fully water cooled pc.
About the power supply fans: lubrication can make a big difference. I have a spray can of lubricant for electronics, and it makes a big difference when you clean with air and then spray inside the fan with the electronics lubricant.
A video on your 3D modelling system would be interesting
You could have used the original hot swap brackets and just extended the cables where needed.
Also those delta fans use alot of power, but a fan load doesn't dump that power into the case like a resistive load does, so their contribution to heat is basically zero.
You can also get better 2U heatsyncs that are made for this sort of work. That and re-pasting everything would probably work fine.
Also on all of these sorts of 2U storage servers, you can improve airflow a-lot if you manage the cabling better. Basically, pull all the slack out from behind the backplane, manage it under the fans. Works great, takes like 30 minutes or so.
The PSU fans are hard to replace, and depending on the setup, you can double stack 40mm noctuas in them and have them stay cool enough. Worth mentioning that server PSU's are redundant, and far more reliable than desktop/ATX PSU's, you're probably just used to having used ones fail, buy them new and they're good for 5-7years of 24/7 operation, no problem.
Shelby! I watch you a lot! on your Twitch streams! when I seen these 3D fan prints show up. I instantly thought 'Star Wars - Millennium Falcon cockpit' 😎 design 👍
Yeah, I've done something similar with a SuperMicro SC836 chassis (all 80mm fans and some Noctua 3U Xeon coolers), made a HUUUUUGE difference over the absolute SCREAMER San Ace fans, fortunately the originals were on carriers so I could just swap the fan out without having to worry about figuring out how to fit them into the gaps.
Yes, got it, the old dimensional stability problem, I'm totally onboard. Or take the server and put it in a shed or garage.😝
I love the ingenuity
I'm just suprised you got the gigabyte fan curve software to work. On the gigabyte servers we have at work its broken and the fans only ever run at 100%. Been nearly 2 years and gigabyte have not fixed it even though its a major feature of their marketing material
I've noticed that when people have 3D printers....everything is a problem waiting on a...solution.
As an owner of 2 printers and a cnc plasma cutter I can confirm.😂
IME the first ~6 months of owning a 3D printer is printing upgrades for the printer itself, then the printer becomes a hammer (and every problem is a nail)
AMD has been at its time for making EPYC Processors designed for Enterprise Servers.
Just on an editing note, there were some audio issues towards the end with crackling and the twitch stream vod was low quality. Cool video though and nice server!
I love the crazy shit you do on here. Thanks for the awesome vids!
Noctua needs to make fans for wood stoves!
I mean... that's what's on my stove
I'm surprised noctua didn't make you make the covers brown or beige.
Now my one HUGE question was: Were any Noctua employees happening to watch the Twitch sessions involved in their investment in you? >;D
This was a good video! thanks for sharing!
What a cool project Shelby, pun intended :D
The first thing I did on my Synology NAS, replace the Fan with Noctua and add more RAM.
The only way this could have been better would have been with a nice Noctua colour scheme on the fan-guards instead of the very aggressive lime-green ;-)
"Noc Tua!, spin on that thang"
Nice work - Did you add a filter so the backplane slots don't fill with dust?
Hi! Nice hat from back to the future ;)
Unfortunate that the cpu cooler doesn't line up with the rear fan exactly. If so you could have made a shroud so you get direct airflow, it being slighlty off centre will create turbulance but i guess it's not a big deal. Arctic S8038-7k that @woe2you2 reccomended in the comments would have been ideal: 7k rpm you can fan control down with cpu temp, regular 38mm @80x80mm, much more static pressure, 0.5A at 12v, available in discount 4 packs... Not as quiet as the Noctua at the same rpm but def better than a standard Delta server jobby (where that's not it's main concern). Good build tho, i've been procrastinating on a home NAS build and i stopped because cases are like either: jank, almost there with a few weird caveats (Jonsbo NAS cases all look the part but have individual weird disadvantages), fair few folk end up using an old Fractal design case that have tons of bays but i wanted something as small as a NAS but much faster/price to performance.
you america guys are so lucky to be able to play around with epyc server for free. truly the best country for technological enthusiasts and alike. unlike in our third tier world country where epyc servers cost $8000. worst country to live in.
Amazing!
I made a PSU blow short by doing this. Which, to be fair, those 40mm redundant brick PSUs are the *worse* possible candidate for this kind of swap, but i did it anyway and it cooked. It happened to be the one attached to the UPS, so the UPS ate the short, and thus *both* the alarm on the chassis and the UPS were screaming at me.
Also, the people saying "WhY UsE a nOcTuA" why don't *you* find a reputable, quiet, affordable and reliable fan available in small quantities at retailers.
*ESPECIALLY* when we're talking about obscure (to consumers) fan sizes.
@@XbotcrusherX Go to an electronics parts house. You can sort by square dimension (40,80,120, etc..) and thickness (20,25 ...) and voltage, noise (dB-A), CFM, pressure.... in any quantity from 1 to thousands.
I use San Ace, since I can get them in 40-120mm, and get to pick the ratio of CFM/pressure to noise that suits the application.
There are also some Qualtek fans that are a little cheaper and very quiet, which I used for 80mm 2-wire positions like PSU replacements.
Also, Arctic makes some nice 40/60/80/120 fans that are dead silent if you just need to move a little air. They're not a replacement for a fan that makes a lot of noise, because it probably makes a lot of noise for a good reason. But if you want to add a little positive pressure from the front of a case, they do a great job at that.
I alway like a Noctua Fan. Someday!
such an epyc project..
UV LED light strips exist! (spends an hour browsing through them - surely someone makes addressable ones with different wavelengths - do want)
What a cool Video 😊
Nothing that fancy but I really need to build a RAID machine for archive backup of my data/software for myretro machines
I love this
but did you manage to get it installed eventually? oh, and have you tried instaling a 200mm fan horizontally over the entire mobo - its surprisingly effective in 2u servers, providing there is sufficient in and out air in the front and back....did this in my pfsense router , and its almost silent now.
Very cool
Until you fill it with drives, they will bump up the temperature enough to throttle the CPU I'm guessing.
Haha noctuas go brrrr
Ah, knock-tua or Notch-tua. The porsch or porsch-ah of the computer world haha
Try the Arctic S8038-7k
I mean it's probably not silent but definitely quiet for a 2U rack server
Never mind, it's the power supply fan
Can you put my ps3 and xbox in computer case for me please? 🥺
I wish RUclips gave us a 720P/30 option on 60FPS uploads (1080P Premium re-encode would be perfect since I pay). I watch YT on low end devices in the summer because of heat output and my internet isn't always the best. Having a 720P/30 would be so much better vs the default 480P.
whatif .. i put resistors on existing fans.. will i see smoke ?
what kind of R model do i need .. 5W ?
btw: i got one DELTA and put it on full 12V .. yes.. it can be used as a siren..
maybe another project.. for home protection.. ~.~
There are better solutions then burning it off with resistors.
Like for example PWM controlling them.
^ What they said. Fans are not resistive loads, which means placing a resistor in series with the power pin is not going to have the ideal effect. The voltage drop will depend on current draw, which will depend on pressure, rotor position, and other continuously varying factors.
An inline regulator is _better,_ but even then, it depends on how the fan motor controller was designed. (The one in the fan, not the motherboard, because DC brushless fans are more than a coil of wire connected between 0v and 12v.)
This is why the PWM pin exists now. It is designed to provide a reliable method of fan speed control, instead of resorting to hacks, like we did back in the 3-pin days.
dBAs?
"power supplies are unreliable" Yeah, not Enterprise ones, but ok lol
Yes, enterprise ones. PSUs, fans, and HDDs are the most common failure points of any computer. I've swapped out plenty of PSUs from Dell, Cisco, Sun, Juniper, Supermicro ... They live a hard life.
Just re-house the thing in a desktop case at that point…
How many dollars is that in fans? seems a sponsored video checkmark is missing.
About $160? Going by the 80mm fans costing about £17 (~$22).
It's literally marked as 'exclusive access' because the product used (The noctuas) are too tightly integrated to be separated from the content. The thumbnail rollover clearly states SPONSORED CONTENT.
I fail to see where the problem is here, other than your apparent inability to read.
@@Beany2007FTW exclusive access is not a thing on RUclips, but if you are seeing sponsored content, then maybe the problem got corrected... That is a thing you know.
I checked, seems the checkmark got set by now.
Must be a YT glitch. Seems an “unproductive prick” checkmark is missing from this comment.
15:32 what ?
16th man. 16th !,,
Uhm ... only work without any other hardware like Tesla GPUs installed ... why not ... it works 👍
Don't need noctua fans to do that job. Overpriced fans.
Hmm reaching 90 degrees and stating it did not throttle.... only performance numbers before and after can prove that itdid not actually throttle.
brat server
Sigh. Yet another one succumbs to making disguised infommercials.
I’m like $400 deep in noctua fans, things are spendy
My entire pc is already Noc Tuah Fans.