PROBIOTICS help HONEY BEES with fungal disease
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"Probiotics can save HONEY BEES from deadly fungal disease", is a video highlighting a scientific article describing the beneficial effect of pre and probiotics against a fungal honey bee disease, Nosema ceranae, infection. I feel we are at the beginning of our journey to fully understand how, and when, probiotics can help honey bees. I will bring many research articles related to different aspects of this subject to future videos. My personal experience using probiotics on bees is limited, but I saw results in the field that show it can be a powerful tool when we know how to use it. Let me know your thoughts.
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Does anyone out there use pre/probiotics on honey bees? Would you mind sharing your experiences here?
In my country they use EM probiotik. Some Beekeepers say that works great for them. I didn't try it.. living on a very dry island so l don't have those problems
@@researcherAmateur I used probiotics to help in 2019 after efb episode but didn't see any difference
I got test for nozema ciranis- critical level.
Feed bees by syrup with clorax. 2-3 cups for a drum.
Next test- 0 nozema!!!!
I’ve been adding Spirulina to my feed for the last two seasons - only in the early fall and late summer. I’ve had 100% of my hives come
out of winter here in the Northeast. Healthy bees and mite free is the goal! Thanks for the video.
do you treat for mites ?
@@rosemaryhegarty8760 absolutely. Oxalic acid and mineral oil treatments have proven to keep my mites level low.
Great video and topic and I hate to put a downer on it but imagine what information we could garner from doing studies on better hive design, on leaving more honey and pollen for feed instead of supplementing with sugar and probiotics etc, and doing less manipulations. All of these things stress the bees and upset things like gut microbiome and many other things. We keep wasting money on fixing the mistakes made from using inferior gear and practices. Practically all of the commercial Ag industry is like this, it's crazy!
Yes, it may take a bit off the bottom line but you could probably compensate with a few more hives that cost less to run, the bees last longer and your outgoings are a lot less.
An old saying comes to mind: "Profit sanity, turnover vanity"
cheers.
All comments are welcome here. There a loto to discuss about how we keep bees and the environment these days.
people find bees products are very healthy for their nutritions so I have a simple question: how to that is not sufficient for bees themselves?
Did they should provide a source of prebiotic that bees would naturally use in nature.
Gut flora plays an important role in both nutrition and immune function for both humans and bees. I’ve been looking forward to more quantified data like these since we are clearly still in the infancy of this field especially for honey bees!
I confess that have not made time to read the full study yet. But anytime HB research is conducted in the lab- my first question is always to ask what was being fed for pollen?
Typically, in order to provide more control of the situation patty substitutes are provided. In my opinion, pollen (whether real or artificial) is a BIG confounding variable for studies of nutrition and immune function - and consequently pre-and probiotics!
Please correct me if our knowledge base has improved on this topic, but my understanding is that we are still missing a “factor X” (as Randy Oliver calls it) with regards to an *essential* honeybee nutrient in our pollen substitutes. (Given that colonies can only survive a minimum number of generations without collapsing).
Furthermore, previous research (by J. Ellis & colleagues) has found that Nosema levels can be impacted by feeding wildflower vs commercial pollen substitute.
The other thing with regards to commercially available probiotics that always puzzles me is that it seems that all of the formularies seem to lack the four most common bacterial species found worldwide in honey bee gut flora. Am I mistaken here? And if not, why are manufacturers selecting species that aren’t even dominant in the world bee community? Is it simply because they are cutting research corners by starting with probiotics that are already out there for other livestock?
fascinating topic! makes me wonder what their natural sources are for healthy gut bacteria. makes a lot of sense to me, we know now the importance of our own gut bacteria in humans for good health.
Apparently honey bees bring the microbiome with them already. I am not a specialist but it it seems there is no need from external sources.
Keep doing videos like this
Probiotics? or style?
Style! But yes, nutritional videos interest me as well.
I'm going to try some Strong Microbials SuperDFM+P801 next year. Can't wait to see how it goes.
Hello Andy. Let me know how it goes. I will bring more research about probiotics and honey bees.
My father(he has been beekeepr more than 40years ) thinks superDFM works great. but it seems too expensive in Korea. so i am looking for alternative for him. Usually, bees have diarrhea after hibernation, he sees a lot of bee poop, but after using superdfm, he does not see poop much.
I’m here for someother purpose. I need to have this fungal spore culture (in a solution form) for my study. Is there anyone who can help me for this??? Kindly help..
What fungal pores?
@@InsideTheHiveTV microsporidian spore culture
Nosema ceranae
@@SaumyaSharma123 it is a obligatory intracellular parasite. It need cells to infect and grow. It doesn’t grow in liquid media like other fungus. Also, so far we don’t have a cell culture system that works as well.
Thanks for this - much appreciated!
Very welcome!
How about kefir as a contribution of probiotics?
Ótimo trabalho gostei! UM inscrito um abraço likeado Tmj sucessos
Nice explanation!
Glad it was helpful!
... i'm thinking to switch the experiment into some hives but true a "semi-solid" feeding. Looking the concentrations safely used by the LAB scale test with the protein Single strain with a sucrose 50% sucrose syrup, i'm considering to prepare the "candy" with a concentration per mg that is twice the one followed in this article; i suppose that an half Kg of sucrose is worked in different time as by the different carrier ( water%) present in or not... but the Inner take/ bee to my view remain the same just in different time as by the water % to be eliminated... what do you think ?
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Please think about why they deliver it in a dry format. if you moisture them and they "wake up" in an environment with oxygen they die. They are anaerobic bacterias and need to wake up inside the gut.
@@InsideTheHiveTV Yes, i see; so do you think that instead of a sucrose syrup 50%, doing an 8-10 % of water content sucrose compound, could it be fine too for the probiotics delivery to the bees? and if yes, being it in an higher sucrose concentration that increase the inner take timeline fo the bees , could be reasonable to increase proportionally the dosage of the probiotics inside ? (My apologie for my bad english ^_^)
When you have to say "may help" with limitations, you should admit that the science isn't there yet.
I do and I share my own experiences with that. Did you watch to the end?
@@InsideTheHiveTV, I did. I know you said more research is needed. But, I also know people who don't care if more research is needed. All they care is that somebody they deem to be an expert cast a remotely favorable light on a topic. That gives them an excuse to reject proven products and methods in favor of unproven products and methods. That does a disservice to those without a foundation in science and misses an opportunity to teach reliance on good science.
I have no problem with the production of videos on new ideas. But scientists such as you need to be much more emphatic that the new ideas are unproven and that beekeepers should stick to proven, approved products and methods. Leave the experimenting to the scientists. Novice reliance on methods and products that need more research almost always results in failure for the beekeeper and in unjustified profit for the vendors.
@@BlaineNay Hi Blaine, You have good points here. But we have a lot to unpack also and I don't think the comment section will be the best place for that. I would love to take a phone call to discuss this further. I think beekeepers should be able to test things. Yes more knowledge the better and this is one of challenges I face everyday in beekeeping operations. Lack of knowledge.
Sucessfull guys are not in trouble at all because they know how to test and adjust. Let me know if you want to discuss this further. I would love to pick up your brain on this and perhaps make better videos. Cheers.