“It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn’t. They kept going, because they were holding on to something. That there is some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for”
Reading Isaiah, Amos, Jeremiah, Christ ( esp. in the Temple ), again and again I have to think ' was this written two millenia ago or two hours ago ? ' ( ' Men live and die. Truth is eternal. ' - Flaubert )
I think the word deception would fit better. A lie is a lie, which means untrue but deception can surely contain truth and lots of it but then it also contains a lie, and that lie, even if only a little bit, could be deadly.
@@haveaday1812 honestly you might be right. I'm not the best at grammar. The best way I can describe it is when someone takes a verse out of the Bible or a person's words out of context. It's not technically lying, but using the truth to deceive someone. Hope that makes sense.
It's important to understand that truth is part of what is good. Then sin enters the picture and what sin always seeks to do is distort what is good. Good can exist without sin but sin cannot exist without good. Sin is a parasite on the body of what is good. Therefore when it comes to dealing with truth sin will always take truth and seek to twist it - it becomes a mix of truth and error - just enough to get followers going in a wrong direction.
@@johnguyatt8515 I 100% agree with your statement! But I'll admit though sin has always been like a Rubik's cube to me, once one side is figured out another side is distorted.
Thank you sir. I suspect some aspects of Hollywood movies have picked up on the Mystical Visions of the Catholic Mystics. Perhaps some Hollywood writers even used Catholic Mystics to write their stories. I thought Nicholas Cage's 2009 "Knowing" was excellent. I suspect the writers borrowed elements from Fatima - 1917 07 13th - Saints Jacinta & Francisco -- Servant of God Sister Lucia pray for us! The aliens at the end were reminiscent of the angels from the "Wheels within Wheels" as recorded in Ezekiel 1:1-48:22 I sold everything I have and purchased many books from EWTN. I am honored to know that Mother Angelica helped KEEP strong to our Roman Catholic Faith while large swathes of the Roman Catholic Church were falling away into a modern day Manichean Heresy. The Tree of life is Jesus. Mother Mary chose the Tree of Life First. The tree of the knowledge of Good & Evil is the devil. And Eve chose the devil first. Saint Francis was considered crazy but he kept Jesus and the devil SEPARATE. Friedrich Nietzsche went down TOO FAR and concluded God and the devil were the SAME THING. If evil is understood as a ‘privation of good’, then the Almighty could be understood as allowing privations in order to bring a greater good. But if evil is understood as a ‘literal physical evil’, then this understanding seems no different than the Manichean heresy. Yes, it is a subtle distinction. But this is a crucial distinction and I think Chaos theory comes in at this point - a minor change in the initial conditions can have a big change in the final outcome. It seems a 'false dichotomy' to insist we are caught in a cross-fire of Nurture vs. Nature. We’re already in too deep if we start with that assumption. We just need to step back and realize that Eve chose the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil FIRST. Mary chose the Tree of Life FIRST. THE VIRGIN MARY CHOSE THE TREE OF LIFE FIRST
The concept most people envision when they say or hear the word "truth" is something Peterson literally doesn't have. His discussions about what is "truth" where he tries to get all deep and pretends to be a philosopher... the notion of there being literal events and facts about the world and a responsibility to represent them honestly just sort of doesn't occur to him. That's not what the word "truth" means to him.
@@paulsmart4672When he talks about literal truth he describes the difference between that type of truth and the biblical. The biblical represents somethong always being useful, useful indeed. That truth is set there because it always was meant to. Its not a temporary thing just representing the truth for the moment So thats what he means when he discusses literal truth. I wouldnt say he tries to be philosofic, sometimes I think so too. But the thing is, I think, that I in those scenarios havent yet understood what he meant. Because I can understand how he easily sounds confusing, not making sense
@@whilliambergenwall8137 See, thing is, that's not what the word "truth" means. Mister be precise in your speech here ought to be a little more precise in his speech.
@@paulsmart4672I get you don’t agree It sounds like he does annoy you. He talks about how he thinks things work, as people tend to do. If his way of talking or describing things annoy you, I recommend you watching less annoying content Some people I can’t see without getting annoyed, and then the best for me personally is to do something else - in order to not get frustrated
Fantastic video. I really enjoyed it. Professor Peterson, if you can, please speak to Professor John Lennox. He was the mathematics professor at Oxford University and is a very prominent Christian apologist. He's debated (very successfully, much like yourself) some of the world's leading atheists, and overall, he is just a really kind and strong man. He (yourself as well) has always reminded me of the verse Matthew 10:16 “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.” You both very obviously care and have deep compassion while also being wise and shrewd.
John Lennox is a follower of Christ but Peterson is not. Peterson understands lots of deep things and is close to the truth, but he is not an actual Christian. Here is the video where he explains how he was too afraid of accepting the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit left him in sorrow: ruclips.net/video/NAaXCxQwKNI/видео.html&pp=ygUacGV0ZXJzb24gcmVqZWN0IGhvbHkgZ2hvc3Q%3D
Jordan isn't a theist though, he's practically an atheist. He relies heavily on Jugian psychology to make his points about God. For him, God isn't a real person who exists.
@@hlulanizitha9920 Is Elvis a real person who exists? Does the next president of the United States exist? You seem to be talking haphazardly without considering what "existence" means with respect to time. One has to wonder whether you even watched the video. Fiction isn't false. So the entire notion of whether a "real person" exists is immaterial. Somebody befitting the archetypes exists or existed.
I watched this clip to get Jordan Peterson’s perspective. Why is so much of it somebody else? Jordan Peterson speaks well for himself and does not need anyone else to elaborate or explain.
I believe his perspective boils down to trying to understand what the other side believes. He’s been doing that since his early years, when he was trying to understand what the Communists believed they were doing. In going all the way down to the underlying values that are the base of those beliefs, he can very well see what’s missing fundamentally. He looked into that with the cold war communists, and now with neo-marxist liberalism.
His clarity and comprehension is a gift to our times from --- you know who. A genuine effort is being offered to put us all back on the "yellow brick road".
His podcasts are largely Socratic dialogues. You need two to tango in a dialogue, real or imagined. You're missing half the revelation if you're just trying to ff through his guest's contribution. They are guests for good reasons.
I love it when I am listening to someone intelligent and they are describing something I have been thinking, but in different words. It feels like confirmation in feeling that whatever it is... is really from God like I thought. A while back I was sitting in the living room .. I think it was Easter weekend? or was I watching a royal wedding? I can't recall now... but I wasn't watching something that had ANYthing to do with the thought. It just came out of nowhere. It felt like God was walking me through a series of reasoning. Before even Adam was created God said, "Let Us create them in Our Image." This is so packed with information! This means this statement applies to EVERY single human being..... that has ever existed, exists now, or will ever exist. Also.... there is the understanding here that God is more than one.... so if God needs three divine beings to be fully represented.... there is no possible way for one human to be a full image of Him. So what does all THAT mean!? As far as I can tell in the past several years since these thoughts have occurred, it can only mean one thing (and please if anyone has a different perspective that it can mean something else... please chime in!). I believe that this means that we all... each and every one of us that have ever existed, exist now, or ever will exist, we all hold a piece of His Image. (and I'm not even yet getting into what that exactly means...) This means that anytime I am meeting or interacting with someone... I have the opportunity to see the part of that individual that reflects God. This also means that I have a responsibility to the piece that I myself possess. That piece is within me... how do I find it and how do I steward it well?! I want to help it present as easily as possible. I don't want it mucked up with pride, or greed or anything else that might take away from everyone seeing Him when they are with me. I don't want to "hide it under a bushel." What Dr. Peterson just finished discussing at min 12:08.... he says it differently.... but it's basically the same thing. It's hard living in truth, like he discusses in other videos. But I figure that is where the piece of Him must reside. The truth of my perspective. It's the only thing that is unique to each individual. There are themes that are familiar from person to person. we all experience death for example.... grief. But our experiences of those things are very intimate and personal. The honesty of life through the lens of my perspective is what can offer others help or comfort.... which is usually the first ways people experience God, through help/comfort. I have a lot of human baggage that gets in the way of being able to communicate well all the time... but I am learning. I believe that is what living life is about..... learning how to best communicate/reflect the piece of Him that resides in us through offering up our perspective of this experience called life.
Aren’t you simply saying that you and another person are interpreting the same piece of text in roughly the same way? That doesn’t sound miraculous to me. If you’ve done that, probably 1000s of others have too. And, in fact, a lot of what you are saying is consistent with the core ideas of Hinduism. Maybe you are really a Hindu but don’t know it … you’ve stumbled onto an understanding of ultimate reality but are looking a veil of Judeo-Christianity and so lack full awareness.
It's a guarantee that I lack full awareness. To believe otherwise is arrogance that prolongs ignorance. To say that I am Hindu or Christian or whatever.... I don't really care what box people try to put me in... I know that I don't really want to study religions to figure out where I "belong." I am perfectly happy simply having a relationship with God. and yes... I am saying that we are interpreting things in a similar way... that is the point of my comment. I wish I could explain better why that is significant... but I struggle with words sometimes. However... I never said it was "miraculous" I don't think (I went back to look if I used that word and I couldn't find it)... I said I love it when I am listening to someone intelligent and they are saying something similar to what I have been thinking, too. I am the last child in a big family... I am often told that my opinions don't matter. For most of my life I have believed this lie. God is helping me understand it isn't true through moments like these. Jordan Peterson is someone people respect. He is intelligent. People want to hear what he has to say. He thinks deeply and complexly. When he is talking, it is obvious... to me anyway... that he often "sees" a lot of "connections" to the topic being discussed. Some of the significant differences between us is that he has training and a professional career behind his name, and I do not. He has confidence, and I lack it. He is well spoken... and I am working on it, lol... getting better. But... our brains tick very similarly. There is something in the differences that led me to have anxiety and other issues because of things that go on in my brain... whereas Dr. Peterson is able to navigate similar things much better. So when he says something that reflects what I have been thinking... it helps me believe the lie, that I don't matter, that much less... if that makes sense. But also... when someone else "confirms" some kind of "important thought" such as the one being discussed in this part of the video... it helps me understand even more that the thought came from God rather than just the rantings of a lunatic middle aged woman. lol
@@caydancebloom "it helps me understand even more that the thought came from God" Well, as secularist, I consider that a claim of something miraculous whether you choose to use that word or not.
@@esa916 so if there are many personalities within a person then why can they not "inhabit" both? It makes sense.... It is claimed after Jesus ascended that the Holy Spirit came to fill every Christian (at least as I recall from my teachings in a Christian church attended long ago. But if one can "house" the Holy Spirit, in addition to being an Image bearer of God.... but also be capable of sinning.... it definitely makes one think! Yes, when you meet someone it is like meeting one version of them. I myself have found it extremely helpful to think of different parts of my personality as different characters. It has helped me identify what "parts" within are "acting up" and kind of "ask" it what it needs. I realized this was going to help me with self-care because I tend to take care of others before myself... so seeing myself as "other" has been helpful. Like... I recognized "Anger" gets stirred up when "JJ" (the naive little girl that was traumatized) is some how threatened or taken advantage of. Try it out! The idea came to me after dating a guy that was really into role playing games. I really enjoy the process of using those types of games to help a "character" ..... uhm... "develop" (sorry for all the quotes. I'm just not sure if the words I have necessarily make sense within the sentence.) Anyway... I started doing it through learning roleplaying games... but later I found out it is actually a legitimate thing in the mental health world known as "piece work." It is my belief that as I learn more about each of these parts within me... I will also learn to know when to draw upon which part given a situation. I'm hoping this will help me be around people more.... eventually. Right now I am just weird.
First 3 minutes of this is some of the most profound, intellectually exquisite commentary I’ve ever heard. There is a higher level, an absolute objective morality that transcends the physical world.
So hard to do though. Questioning your own beliefs is so hard and we all do it less than we think we do. The first thing to question is if you are actually questioning. Because odds are you aren't.
The most beautiful thing about fiction is that it is left to the reader/viewer to determine what's "in it" for them. Not everybody is going to see what you see and what they saw is just as valid to them as what you saw is to you.
As one who was raised with the Bible and a reasonable sense of the value of truth and my personal responsibility, can I comment a little: I still learn from scripture: it speaks to me if I let it, in ways I never heard before, sometimes harsh in cold, in-your-face chastisement, sometimes useful counsel, other times comforting, but generally enlightening in some way. But I have to want it. I have grown to see the Christ as less of religious figures the 'Church' would oblige us to see and more as very real and immensely inspired philosophers, teachers and supremely qualified in the most deep and vital ways of truth and life.
@@stilllearning1160 Thank you for presenting your opinion and doing it in a way that doesn't feel as if you're trying to convince anyone else to live as you do... like JBP does (intentionally or not).
Atheists don't have a problem with fiction. Fiction is great entertainment and great lessons and values can be woven throughout fiction. Star Wars is an epic story of the fight between good and evil and most can relate to the ethics of the Jedi Knights and the wisdom of Yoda. The atheists problem is with any people who would claim that Luke Skywalker, Chewbacca and Darth Vader are actual real people (and whatever Chewbacca is) fighting the battle in a galaxy far, far away to destroy the Death Star.
@@JP-je6jg If you find "guidance" from the bible, then that's awesome... for you. However, if you expect ME to buy into the "undeniable word of God" part, well... then you'd better be prepared to substantiate that claim with some demonstrable repeatable evidence.
the words ''agnostic and Atheist'' only exist because someone else ''claimed'' ''there is a god'' and was then asked to prove it. the claim has been propagated without proof, so I now need to be labelled ''Atheist'' because the religious could not prove their claims. 8 billion people, a millennia, still no proof and yet I have to carry a label from religious mystics that are desperate to believe in something with no evidence. how dare you label me with no evidence!.
Morality There is no objective right or wrong if there is no God. There is no purpose. Everything is a big cosmic accident. But you can't live that out, morality is evidence of a God. ✝️
@@AvinaLookAbaatofc it's relevant. Everyone knows hare and tortious story is fiction, when it comes to religion, no actual believer claims it's fiction, and if they are convinced is fiction, then they're lying if they claim they are, which goes against one of the core values. Simplifying such a nuanced and complex situation to "stories move people, so let's act like it's real" is very naive. It ignores the wars, discrimination, government policies and influence, manipulation done by religious authority, biases based on culture, devaluing science, etc. I agree some of the stories have value and are interesting, but that's so irrelevant to the issues at hand
Yeah. But the message in the bible isnt healthy or useful or well spelled out to avoid confusion. Id throw it out. We have science and social mechanisms better than spiritual tribalism now.
"Every story ever told really happened. Stories are where memories go when they're forgotten." That quote is way too poignant to have just been in an episode of Doctor Who.
@@joshuastrawser9160 No I got it. Fake it till you make it. Just like every other religion. Just because people use their lives to pull inspiration from to make up stories, does not make those stories true or "real" like JP wants to pretend.
the words ''agnostic and Atheist'' only exist because someone else ''claimed'' ''there is a god'' and was then asked to prove it. the claim has been propagated without proof, so I now need to be labelled ''Atheist'' because the religious could not prove their claims. 8 billion people, a millennia, still no proof and yet I have to carry a label from religious mystics that are desperate to believe in something with no evidence. how dare you label me with no evidence!.
What gets me is how certain types of things happen naturally over time compared to spinning a persons wheels around to throw them off balance due to tracks that have been left behind to follow when wandering around in certain locational places when your trying to look for certain markers to help stay the course.
I was a teenager when I read Crime and Punishment and Sonya really impacted me. I'm female but all I had known up to that point were trashy females who WANTED to be whores. My mother, my so-called "friends." I felt so alone for wanting to wait for sex and praying to God. Sonya seemed so pure and gentle and loyal. That's who I wanted to be, not these progressive harpies that only care about themselves. I think the story of Adam and Eve and their downfall is a cautionary tale about feminism - submitting to females, not god.
I appreciate the light that obviously burns from within you. It must do so more in you than in those females you first knew. Keep it safe, keep your faith, whatever way you can. God bless.
Mhm true , that adam and eve story is a cautionary tale about A LOT OF THINGS, like what happens when you lack discipline and self control , futile arrogance in thinking you can know better than the creator , Men that dont know how to lead their women in God's ways and just go with the flow, How parents behaviours and choices dont only impact them but future generations too, Self defeating attitude of thinking chasing fleshly desires will yield any good. How in a partnership if you dont love each other according to God's word, you will eventually lead each other astray and also how fear of the lord is the real beginning of wisdom and any other sources can lead to consequences you never imagined , as a former atheist i will make an example " we are all stardust , there is no God, when we die thats it, so what does it matter what i do or if i use the next person ,We are all just dust and emotions are chemical reactions and if a hurt a person its just chemicals and they wont even be alive to remember it in a 100 years anyways " that is false wisdom that can lead a person down a very dark path in how they treat others and themselves. But when you fear God you start to see the world in a way you never could before. , Other atheists will try to say you can be atheist and still good, but if there is no God then who defines good and who are you to tell the next person what they should and shouldnt do if we are all just stardust and chemical reactions? . I thank God so much that veil of darkness got lifted off my eyes , now the only wisdom i seek is from the creator of life himself, Not humans who they themselves haven't truly figured out a single thing about living
@@kgosiking4228 this comment is amazing brother, Literally this past week I've just been thinking of atheists and that it's so sad to see them ignore their creator, so corrupt as humans we believe everything we are, came from nothing. It was on my mind this past week and as I read your comment I had joy in my heart because I'm literally so happy to see atheists actually coming to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. The reason I call you brother is because I'll see you in heaven, any believer is my brother. I got a question tho, Do you ever remember what initiated the change, was it friends/family or was it your own initiative to find out, how did you begin to know the truth? I always wondered if an atheist is left alone to think their own way, such as what you described, that in being atheist, there is no moral standard therefore raping isn't any different from giving a million dollars to charity. Say that you were to leave that atheist alone, would anything come from him? because they are just lost completely. They've deluded themselves into believing we came from nothing... like........ what? So do you think there would ever be a chance of them humbling themselves and actually realising that we are created than non other than God. Can they do it by their own initiative or is there a need for an external source to assist them? for e.g maybe a near death experience, supernatural experience, even just stumbling across a street preacher. I'm not too sure tho Everything just makes too much sense, I know there's a God and I believe him and he loves everyone and wishes for everyone to come to him, God bless you all
@@RobertTaylor-gz2fu Scientists insist too that their theories/stories are factual. But that's just a matter of philosophical choice. Science is "factual" if you are a realist. Science is "useful fiction" if you are an instrumentalist. Both are perfectly valid world-views. Still, some rather prominent names have supported the notion of "Model-dependent realism" which undermines the unity of truth/facts.
12:30 As a Catholic, I often here about "seeing Christ in people," such as the saints did in their lives. This might be a good way to explain that sentiment. It certainly was for me.
Pretty much every Catholic doctrine has it's direct grounds at least partially in scripture, and all have their indirect root in scripture. "@@lilMidz "Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle." 2 Thessalonians 2:15. Did you know there are many omitted gospels in many protestant bibles including the King James Version because they too obviously contradicted protestant theology? If I were you, I'd read them.
@@lilMidz lol. Interesting question, I was born and raised catholic, my parents are both catholic, very good people. It's seemingly obvious their doctrine is absent in the new testament but I don't know what keeps them there. Similar to the new breed of Christians, prosperity, prophetic, healing and deliverance, it's all nonsense. The problem is Christianity generally speaking and I am saying this as a person who believes the bible to be the authoritative word of God.
@@mashfintech Does that mean you disregard the new testament? That's a matter of faith and what you believe of course. But if you accept the new testament it makes absolutely no sense to be catholic, and being born in it is no excuse if you ask me
Sure, Jordan, as an atheist, I agree that most of my fellows fail to appreciate some of the value of the fictional stories of the Bible. But on the other hand, Christians and other theistic people tend to fail to recognize their holy books as being fiction at all, which is what drives most atheists nuts over those books and why they tend to rail against them as being taken as historically true or often even morally true. Some ancient stories have value when taken non-literally, but plenty of the stories in the Bible, especially in the Hebrew Scriptures, are not "morally true," as they teach some truly abominable morals. (See: Genesis 22, Exodus 21, Leviticus 26, Numbers 31, Deuteronomy 28, the genocides of Joshua, Job, etc). As an atheist, I had befriended a local church and found great meaning and value in socializing there for a year and a half, baking for the entire church, cleaning it up some mornings before going to work, and performing hospitality during their fellowship time. But then I attended a Bible study that focused on some of these fictional stories, and I gave rather clear moral assessments of them, pointing out the abusive relationship dynamics between God and His people (Genesis 22, Leviticus 26, Deuteronomy 28, and Job). I was responded to with horror for daring to suggest that you should have basic standard and conditions, setting healthy boundaries in all your relationships, including the God you choose to worship and enjoy the most intimate of relationships with. After a year and a half of fellowshipping with this church, I suddenly had my motives for being there brought into question, being asked why an atheist is even attending their church and being accused of only wanting to argue, despite not arguing at all. I was merely pointing out the obvious immorality of threatening to have people's wives ravished by other men and forcing parents to eat their children for not keeping to the covenantal relationship God had laid out (Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28). It is a maddening experience to become a social pariah for sticking to the moral principle that child abuse is always evil, no matter what context someone wishes to give it (Genesis 22, Numbers 31, and the genocides of Joshua). I have stopped attending that church, and I have given up on trying to socialize with churches at all at this point.
Firstly, sorry to hear how you were treated, some congregations can be very closed off to challenges to belive systems. The whole "you are challenging my whole world and self image" thing that they seem to think about anyone having any form of questions. Secondly, oh yes, the old testament has plenty of places that has some morally questionable things in it, even some of the new testament as you pointed out with the examples. Now I can't speak for others but I can speak from my own point. I'm religious (I'm Christian but I don't identify with any one particular subgroup and admit that I sometimes struggle with my beliefs) because of a verity of things that I have experienced and have happened to me; but this doesn't mean that I don't question a lot of things within my own religion. I've had plenty of conversations with friends who range from atheists to hindu to wiccan and I still find it interesting to hear the views of people who think differently. Now I'm going to make an argument, or rather an observation, here and it's probably one you have heard before but I would still like to make it. Firstly some of the examples that are often made to show the immorality of God are cases like Genesis 22 but when read in context and totality then we see that it was a test to see how devoted Abraham (in this example) is to God. Now I do admit this is not an argument that works all the time but the point of context is important, not just the context of things like time period but also what the point of the text is. Secondly I read the old testament as a "here is how it was and what was required before Jesus came and God softened to a strict father arcitype" type of thing. This is my interpretation born from my own readings and interactions with others. Now this change in how God became softer with his people but still strict resonates a lot with me as my own father was always very loving and I saw how good he was for us and how much he did. But; he was incredibly strict and steadfast in his views and judged all around him to his standards. This all changed at some point when he started becoming more religious. He is still strict and if you ask for advice and ignore it, you will receive little simpathy but his love shows through a lot more. I feel like the change we see from God between the beginning of the Bible to the end reminds me of his change. But that's my 10 cents based on personal experience. Hope you have a good day.
@@beardedricotheold2640”before god softened to a strict father archetype” God is by definition unchanging and eternally perfect. Any arguments of that sort or “he was taking the social climate of the time into consideration” are completely hollow since God should be so above us in power and intelligence and morality and EVERYTHING that the notion of him adjusting his own conduct and morals to the norm of humanity are utterly ridiculous.
@@theodorable1425 I was referring to the decrease in punishments like what was in the old testament compared to the new and referring to it as a softening but sorry if that didn't come across. English is not my first language. On the second part. Isn't that the whole argument for the permanency of any deity not just God and how they never change in any way even though there are examples in a lot of different religious texts and mythology that shows that deities do change and sometimes the changes being quiet major? That's an argument that normally goes into several different paths depending on the answer so I'm just going to say that yes I think that God is above us in all those ways but I also think that there is enough scripture to show some change even if it is just in the way He interacts with the world and his believers. Even if you want to look at it from a purely mythological point then there is still changes in the source material. Hope you have a good day/evening
@@carolemafotsing9987 Child abuse (butchering them and sexually enslaving them) is always evil. Threatening to force parents to eat their children is always evil. What the God in the Old Testament stories I cited above commands is always evil. I agree that the God of the Bible doesn't fit into my standards or my understanding, because a being who commands such gross evils yet commands to be praised and worshiped as the highest good is a being I am incapable of understanding and is a being who is beneath my moral standards. The same is true for Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and every other monster who commanded their peoples to butcher children and allowed their people to sexually assault people, including children. To seek truth from the perspective of a God who outright delights in committing the cruelest acts against His own people to the exact same degree that He delights in helping them grow and mature (Deuteronomy 28:63) is madness. Morality and truth cannot be borne out of a being whose moral perspective is as warped as this.
I'm atheist and i agree with most thing said here. Fiction is not false, it's a story that bring to light ideas and moral in a really effective way. It's been studied countless times that stories are so important to the human mind it help us discover new ideas and view of the world it help propagate knowledge and meaning over really every subject. That's why has an atheist i respect and i like religions because they are i think the best stories ever ! They give moral value, a way to live, a way to enjoy life, meaning in your life and so much more benefit. I really liked growing up in religion because that gave me a lot of moral value really easily and when i got further and further away from christianity i didn't need to discover moral value i just had to find sense of these moral value in a godless world i just needed to discover why the bible thaught me all of that, what was the point of religion. Still this video didn't make me question my lack of belief because it's not because it is good fiction that i'm going to do the rituals that are prescribed in this fiction and also because years of thinking gave me answer on how i will live my life and with what moral values
the words ''agnostic and Atheist'' only exist because someone else ''claimed'' ''there is a god'' and was then asked to prove it. the claim has been propagated without proof, so I now need to be labelled ''Atheist'' because the religious could not prove their claims. 8 billion people, a millennia, still no proof and yet I have to carry a label from religious mystics that are desperate to believe in something with no evidence. how dare you label me with no evidence!.
Atheists don't have a problem with fiction. Fiction is great entertainment and great lessons and values can be woven throughout fiction. Star Wars is an epic story of the fight between good and evil and most can relate to the ethics of the Jedi Knights and the wisdom of Yoda. The atheists problem is with any people who would claim that Luke Skywalker, Chewbacca and Darth Vader are actual real people (and whatever Chewbacca is) fighting the battle in a galaxy far, far away to destroy the Death Star.
@@chrisgraham2904That not the issue I had when I finally realized God excited. It was the absolute state of being aware of what it is to be alive and thinking about infinity. Nothing can be created or destroyed. Yet we are here for some reason, life not only likes structure but it demands it. When we come to that singularity of creation itself there should be nothing yet we are here. Nothing should exist. It’s not even an argument the point of something is to have a meaning or job otherwise it wouldn’t exist in the first yet we are here. I can say for current whatever God is he is outside of physics itself the infinite Logos. I finally understand what it meant in revelations by “I am the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the End.” God isn’t going to give us evidence that is going to point right to him because it wouldn’t make sense to salvation itself. This has to be true there is no other way.
@@tapep225 “This has to be true, there is no other way” is a fallacious claim. There could be many, many other ways, which you fail to consider and you default to “The God of the Gap”. You state that “God is outside of physics itself and infinite logos”, yet, for some reason you state that you “finally realized God existed”. Tell me how you came to build a belief without evidence? I would not hold a belief in the existence of dogs, if I could not provide you with verifiable, demonstrable and repeatable evidence that dogs do exist. You claim; “Yet we are here for some reason”. How did you determine that your existence has a reason? Who established that reason and provide evidence of it? The Universe is an environment of absolute chaos and any patterns or structure, are a determination of our own minds and our feeble attempt to make sense of it. If you seek purpose for your life, it is up to you to create, or find the purpose in your life, which can bring you some satisfaction during the short time that you will exist here. “Nothing should exist”, is another fallacious claim without evidence. How did you determine what “should” or “should not” exist? “God isn’t going to give us evidence that is going to point right to him” - Why? The Bible states that God wants us to know him. God is the ultimate player of Hide & Seek. Why would a god not reveal himself/herself with verifiable evidence to every human being within his creation? Finally, the controversy, conflicts and wars between hundreds of different religions and ideologies would disappear and a greater love and harmony could exist throughout the world. Why does God not want that harmony to take place?
@@chrisgraham2904 Atheists have a problem with truth. Christ Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. They hate Jesus because he speaks nothing but the the truth. The main one being that we are all sinners in need of his Grace and mercy. We are sinners not because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. Christ Jeus is our only hope. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
When your guest mentioned that people needed to come on board the empirical platform to prove a truth, it reminded me of my struggles, as a prodominantly right hemisphere dominant individual, in dealing with highly left hemisphere dominant people. It's two different ways of knowing. Just because the empirical evidence can be lined up, all nice and tidy, doesn't mean that a holistic or intuitive way of knowing is wrong or irrelevant. I think that one of the most glaring and most unfortunate examples of that is in conventional versus holistic medicine. I also think that's why the Catholic church made marriage a sacrament because when opposites attract and those two different ways of knowing come together, they create a union of both hemispheres that is most God-like. I think that G_d is the ultimate dual-dominant creator and we miss a lot when we don't recognize that.
The problem is when the holistic viewpoint insists its 100% correct all the time. Reality must come first. So if there is something that has been observed 1000 times to happen the same way 1000 times it doesn't matter what the holistic viewpoint has to say because y'all will grasp at things that aren't there then when we ask how you know you point to the Bible, when we ask how do you know the bible is true you point to God, when we ask how do you know God is true you point to the Bible. Y'all's method of understanding is "source: trust me bro"
It's not by intellect folks it's by faith. Trouble with that? Then start with prayer to whatever you believe might have created you. I say might because some of you here in the comments call yourself atheist. Pray for guidance and wisdom it will not be denied. Best of luck in your pursuit and I will pray for you salvation and success.
It’s by faith and it’s also by intellect. God did not give us our intellect to throw it into the trashcan. God proves himself out in our lives. And he gave us an intellect to interact with as well. And trust comes over time and experience with God. The intellect is not thrown away. But yes, faith is foundational. And God develops faith in us. And he works with our intellect.
I think I have better answer to Jordans question. When we read, after our prayer, and place ourselves within each character one at a time sometimes we find that once completed we are actually more than when we started. Not learning per se but becoming.
Nailed it! One correction from the monotheistic perspective. The ancient people, and the Jews unequivocally knew there were multiple deities and ruling spirits. Ba’al being somewhat of the more important among them. But these, in the Jewish and later early Christian tradition, were understood to be fallen angels; beings who took praise upon themselves and fell. What scripture makes clear is that there is no god like Our God. He is the Lord of lords, the Lord of Spirits. Monotheism is a modern notion. What it aims to do is to say there is only one God when in reality, there is only one God worthy of worship because there are no other gods (or spiritual beings) like Him. Perhaps another higher order truth that doesn’t need to be taken literally, but I hold it is. Do with it what you will. Excellent discussion!!
This is so wrong. God was very clear that he is one, and that he is the only was, is, and is to come, and beside him, there is no other. There are other created beings, but there has never been multiple Gods.
The day when they will (all) come out,nothing of them will be hidden from Allah. Whose is the Kingdom this day?(Allah Himself will reply to His question). It is Allah's the one, the irresistible. Quran 40:16.
Any attempt to write the greatest story, we inevitably capture the "structure of expirience." a story is built upon the main character. And the main characters purpose is to portray the structure of "character development." Analyzing "How to Train your Dragon Trilogy" captured the process of Carl Jung's Process of Individuation which blew my mind. From integrating the persona, encountering the shadow then integrating the shadow(1st movie), integrating the anima through the guidance of the wise old woman(2nd movie), to Individuation(3rd movie which i haven't fully articulated) i highly recommended it to anyone and jordan when yall brain dead at night like me all the time lol. Fyi its 4am as I'm writing this comment
@sarahsf6940 il y a 2 secondes Damn that’s interesting, I might give it a watch with my younger sisters, they’ll see it as pure entertainment while I will be trying to see it from a psychoanalytical pov. good luck sleeping in the era of overstimulating youtube
Genesis is important and there are very good pastors on you tube that can help you understand. However, and is merely a suggestion, start with the New Testament -you will find the sermon that Jesus gave in Matthew. 👍.
As an atheist I'm social and respect those with a mystical religious view about their existence. It's where I started with family and friends, but curiosity and an active mind drew me into learning basic biology about the diverse evolutionary dynamics of our human species. This information is located on the Tree of Life chart. My curiosity continues to be active.
I say respectfully that atheism is a faith that believes in magic. As in the universe and all life came from essentially nothing. The tree of life resulting from belief in Darwinism or neo Darwinism has been proven a sham by science, in knowledge of the genome for example. It's back to the drawing board on any theory's of evolution.
@@summerrose8110Why, and what do you mean by unbeliever? I have my definition, but what I mean is not some spitfeul, God hating, arrogant, and ignorant person when I say unbeliever. I mean just someone who lacks belief. I think the OP is just saying he is interested in biblical theology, God, and he isn't a pompous atheist.
I love this the bible is about seeing life as it is. Rather than making your own projection of what you think it may be. A outline to live wonderfully and truthfully.
Yes, well, the NT reminds slaves to give full respect to their masters. Don't forget, don't make it a projection of what you think it is.... it is what it says. It is the inspired and preserved word of God. 1 Timothy 6: *All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered.* 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, *they should serve them EVEN BETTER because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare of their slaves.* ^ *These are the things you are to teach and insist on. *3 If anyone teaches OTHERWISE and does not agree to the SOUND INSTRUCTION of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 they are conceited and understand nothing.* They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 6 But godliness with *contentment* is great gain. 7 *For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it.* 8 But if we have *food and clothing*, we will *be content with that.* 9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. 11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13 In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time-God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, *whom no one has seen or can see*. To him be honor and might forever. Amen. 17 Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. 18 Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. 19 In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life. 20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21 which some have professed and in so doing have departed from the faith. Grace be with you all.
That's how religion was birthed, the point for religion is for people to get close to God, than man added traditional and laws into their religions to suit what men wanted. Jesus said your body is your temple, man turned it into a building for them to preach in. You see I could take out say, all the chapters of +Luke+, than write and publish Luke, than create traditions and laws to follow, build a congregation and call it +The Luke In Christ Church+. There is now 4,000 Christian religions globally. Yet there is only 1 solid paper Bible.
@@chrisgraham2904no one cherry picks anything about the Bible, we just understand what it says. Non Christians who tend to not understand it think we are supposed to use it all equally 100% of the time. Time passes in the Bible, things change
@@jacobi-vision3249 LOL That certainly is not true. Since there over 200 different forms of Christian churches, which all have different interpretations of the same book and each determines what percentage and what messages they use from it. Most disregard, or make excused for the immoral actions of the Abrahamic God. Most Christians believe that the perfect word of God is absolute and timeless and never subject to change.
Correct. God is always kept a little mystery in some of the things that he has communicated to us. A more literal interpretation may very well be true. But I don’t think we’ll ever get to the point where we can prove that. Because then many humans would be Trying to jam God down peoples throats. He always leaves a little mystery there.
Truth and fact are different. A fact can be measured from physical effects over and over again within the world.... A truth is understood for how things happen in the world within the psychological understanding of the world, more often then not they may be experienced, but sometimes the psychology of the person may not even notice what took place, and then not noted or recorded at all, unlike within the understanding of science.
Amen, Seriously do so When you get to Romans, Galatians, Corinthians, Thessolonians, Great Books The Book of Danial and Ephesians are Also great ones.. You can't Never go wrong with Psalms and Proverbs!!
Spoilers, god hates its creation, has regret and then murders millions in his regret. LOL. NT god is a new god that has experienced ego death. Too bad it too will eventually regret its creation and murder billions.
@@storminmormn6283 mine is when this one and only god says Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image where does the "US" and "OUR" come from how many gods are there?
Important distinction to make. The majority of Atheists are not so due to an ignorance of religion but to the contrary a deep understanding of religion. If you ask a true Atheist if there is a God they will say "I don't know." You may ask why. The reason is that while there is no evidence of God there is also no remarkable evidence of there not being one also. However, there are many things in the Bible as well as many other religious texts that are highly improbable. These books are a moral guide at best (depending on what you consider to be morally correct). And while there are some parallels between proven history and religious texts, many of the religious books tell stories of unrealistic feats.
You are intellectually shallow and spiritually adolescent Your focus on religion, morality, evidence, and atheism demonstrates this You seemingly lack the metaphysical understanding of Self You shall stagnate in your logic and reason until you transcend your egoistically imposed framework Religion is a distorted expression of Fundamental Truth See the Truth as a whole, don’t get preoccupied with its beautiful distortions (unless you want to 😊) You have not yet transcended religion, if you must still religiously and ironically debate against it, stooping to the same level as the “naïve fundamentalist”
@@richardbigham4138Peterson is notorious for taking "the deep dive" into issues, but in this case he has dived hundreds of feet deeper than the average Christian to develop his interpretation. Peterson is saying that the fictional story of Star Wars, for example, contains certain truths, such as the struggle between good and evil, as Luke Skywalker battles against Darth Vader. So, it is a story of truth. However, Nobody should be making the claim that Luke Skywalker, Princess Laya, Chewbacca and Darth Vader, or the Death Star actually exist in reality.
@@chrisgraham2904 I'm not really sure if I should thank you for further illustrating my point since I didn't really ask you to but JP's lecture can also be used in favor of the "live your truth" philosophy using the same logic. Anyway, thanks for playing.
So is it “true” or merely “Bible true” that the earth was created a mere 6,000 or so years ago? I mean, how wrong can a “truth” be before it is simply wrong/untrue?
In rhe movie Never Ending Story the boy while reading the book said " I'm in this book!" And he couldn't stop reading. The same happens when you read the Bible.
"Moses instructed the soldiers to kill all women who had ever had sex with a man, and to keep the women and girls who were still virgins for themselves." I just can't get enough!
Did you finish the book? Most people get stumped on the first books. Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to you. I guarantee there is something special in the Bible, most miss it. All glory to God. He opened my eyes to understand. There is a special message in the Bible and it's for you.
@@DocnoXXX If one admits his or her sinful condition (total spiritual depravity) and reads the bible, they will discover that it is God's/Jesus Christ's love letter to all those who believe and are born of the Holy Spirit, born from above, born again. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
I don't agree with Dr. Peterson's politics, but I like that he is helping to bring common conversations in biblical criticism and academia into popular terms.
Interestingly, what brought me out of my atheist abyss was Jordan Petersons biblical lectures. It might sound silly, but it's the best realization of my life.
What are you now? Christian? That's odd because Jordan Peterson is anti-Christian. He's a gnostic Satanist who speaks in an esoteric cryptofascist code. It is pretty ironic if someone who wants to be the AntiChrist convinced you to become a Christian. My bet is your beliefs were, and are, still very confused and ungrounded. You'll just believe the last authoritative voice you hear.
@@dmtaboo_truth7052 Not sure what you mean? That because evil exists you can no longer be an atheist? That sounds odd, I was generally not an evil person when I was an atheist, but I did view the world in a way that made me miserable. In fact I think I viewed the world as inherently more evil back then.
It seems that I could understand and totally agree with all the points JP is popularizing including the fact that religion is the only way to go about with private/societal life and rightly so! It’s just that I could not just click a button and download faith in my brain! Faith and belief is hard work man!!
Faith is a special gift from God. It's a funny thing that you don't generate faith yourself, yet you go to God in faith to ask for any at all faith or more than you already have. Just like loving Him requires Him to put the love in you. If you want to believe, that's the sprout of faith really trying to break the soil of your heart's garden and find some sunlight. He put it there. He intends for it to grow. Lean into it. He's knocking at your heart's door. Let Him in your heart's garden, and He'll turn that sprout of faith into a grove of mighty oaks, with roots so deep they find water in a desert. That's how you find real peace and solidarity in life. Those oaks don't grow overnight, though. I'm just saying I'm sending this to two people.
It isn't work! It's about accepting a free gift of forgiveness, legally aquired by Christ through his death on the cross. He died in your place to rescue you from you fallen nature. God is on a massive rescue mission to save people from his righteous wrath. God is righteous because he is holy, which is why he won't give anyone a free ride. All the work has already been done 2000 years ago on that cross!
@@jaikee9477 Christ did not die. If he did, he wouldn’t have risen the next day to go to heaven. And he is coming back, right? And Christians don’t believe in reincarnation, so how is he dead? And dying as a martyr was actually his destiny, isn’t that right?
Here's a great question ❓. If Heaven and Hell the former being good and the later being evil, are places that predates Earth and Human experiences, what is Heaven and Hell or good and evil defind as before Earth or Human experiences? ( Our ideas and archetypes are describing places that supposedly existed before Human cognition correct? )
Hell is not as clear as described here. Heaven, well, that is God and the ability to be with him. The Bible does not say there has always been evil, and that there has always been a place where evil people went.
I got to ask JP this question at a speaking event, "When you see that the Bible is poetically significant, why then assume it must therefore be invented by poetic men, rather than reality itself having been invented by a poetic God?"
@michaelmicek I'm paraphrasing my question but he didn't take it super well and said he didn't assume anything. But he stayed silent for a few minutes after that and then thoughtfully began breaking down the idea of belief or something like that. I wish I could find the recording. It was his speaking tour in Denver.
(Matthew 25:35) For I was hungry you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger you invited me in (Refugees Migrants homeless) I needed clothes you clothed me, I was sick you looked after me, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine you did for me 🙏
Mythology has collective truth. That's why GRR Martin's twist on humanity's mythologies is so compelling. It's made me explore our histories and stories for 12 years...
That's not the same thing at all. They're talking about the nature of parables and stories, the messages that they convey are truths, but the stories themselves aren't literal.
@@Vandalle. the problem with this take however is that most of the people who preach these parables believe and talk about their events as if they literally happened, not just that the messages are truths. And also while I can agree that these messages can shed light on the truths that exist within the general lives of people, they don't explain why someone who acts on their homosexuality deserves to go to hell among other things.
Fiction is a genre. A narrative, creative genre. Fiction can be false, depending on the intent. If the intent is to deceive, than it’s a lie. But for example, a futuristic dystopian movie, it’s by genre definition a fiction; however it may point to some universal truths. Therefore the fiction it’s not synonymous of falsehood or lie. It’s intent is not to lie; it’s intent is to create a story, a narrative.
A difficulty with the non-literal approach is the detailed genealogies and associated timespans, beginning directly with Adam and continuing to known history.
They’re definitely are difficulties with a non-literal approach. And there’s some difficulties with a literal approach. I’m glad that God does not spell it out too easily. It’s something that we have to go after and grapple with to find.
@@realcommoncourtesy Well, the devil is in the detail, you are not just feeding a dog, you have to consider what your dog represents, and that is nested in a structure of hierarchical values......
@@spindoctor6385 😂💯 well, it’s like, what exactly do you consider nutritious? Probably not the sub-optimal jumble of nonsensical ingredients that some reckless bloke threw haphazardly into the package, that you bought, cause what do you really know about dog food anyway, man?
Many people say the Bible is a fairy tale for weakminded people. And yet it still engages even most intelligent people looking at it from all angles and all backgrounds. If it was a fairy tale would it really still standing up to such analysis? Rhetorical question btw.
Because it’s not about intellect. That’s the great stumbling block of so many. It’s a truth that is way deeper than the levels of material thinking or even science. Now when you say that, you look like a fool because modern society has hoodwinked us into believing truth only comes from those things we can detect and measure. We should use our mind fully but truth and God is way bigger and deeper than anything in this dimension and the Bible penetrates into that truth in ways no other medium does. It’s utterly profound but only to those who have opened this connection with God. But it’s not channeling like some believe it’s actually a relationship with God like we are talking and listening now. We have to talk to God though and ask him and want to know him.. Most people won’t do that so that’s actually where the true issue is. And under that you reveal the true issue which is that we don’t want to know God because of our own pain (and sometimes ego)
2nd Peter 1 20-21 "“Knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." ”2nd Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." 1 Thessalonians 2:13 "And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe ." Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." 1 Corinthians 2:13-14 "These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches.] But he who is spiritual judges all things…the things freely given us by God."
So if you see it once the image may fade ? If you hear it once your memory may fail over time ? Repeating through conscious repetition, reading a new each day ,to study the words and see the images they invoke will reinforce your original experience ? How to be is your own experience , being given guidance is not the only cause of realizing , internal inner understanding is the goal ? So that the result is human loveand respect for self and of all others !
😂 he's not incredible he literally just said it's fiction and it's true and then he said it's all patterns. That literally makes no sense the very start of it is just completely absurd
Anyone else excited that someone with his standing is even talking about this topic positively? Even if Jordan doesn't know God yet, I'm extremely happy that he's getting closer! Imagine what profound effect his faith could have on his followers, not to mention himself!
Lol "Lemme read Genesis to see if I should buy an iPhone." If you did, you'd probably come to the conclusion that you should steer clear of the Apple. 😉
The more I learn about science, the stronger my belief in God becomes. The Bible doesn't have stories; it has recounts of what happened from the beginning. The words were breathed from God to Moses (who wrote the first 5 Books of the Bible). The term "story" provides the connotation of being a fallacy, which is not the case in the Bible. As believers in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, we can not pick and choose which aspects of the Bible are the word of God and which elements are stories. The Bible provides the genealogy of Adam and Eve to provide a historical record. Why would a story trying to explain the creation need this? What purpose or benefit does this serve besides providing a historical record? The Bible is a historical record of creation and the hardships faced by his chosen people and the ultimate sacrifice paid by Christ, his only son, who was born, died, and ascended into heaven so we may have a chance at eternal life. The Bible guides us to achieving eternal life and what is to come for man.
TRUE Core Christianity according to The New Testament: Love your neighbor as yourself. Pray for your enemies. Do not return evil with evil. Turn the other cheek. Get rid of anger. Never take revenge. Live peaceably with all. Love endures all things.
should i remind you that, it also tells to "slaves obey your master, even the cruel ones" it also tells my sexuality is an abomination of nature, it also tell you to NOT wear mix fabrics. im sorry, but im not going to believe anything that tells me to "love" while also telling me to ignore, or cope, or twist wherever evil in it is, just so i can tell other people how to live and what to do and what to no. no sorry, i need empiric evidence, and just so you know, i have no use to faith, faith is the more useless concept that humanity has
The Bible is NOT a mere myth. Not merely true in a literary sense. Not merely true in a Jungian Archetypal sense. Christ is “the myth made real”, as C.S. Lewis put it. Christ is both the best myth AND the most literal truth in the whole is the cosmos. Look to the place where the shadow of the cross rests on an empty tomb ❤️🙏
It's about our heart, spirit. The stories show the darkness of our heart and the light of our heart. And our struggles with that. We have a clue right away, in Genesis, snakes don't talk. It's really a most beautiful allegory of hope for all of God's chosen, which means every single one of us ❤
....when it comes down to it, I don't care what Christians think. If anything, you have to have a certain mindset to be a Christian, indeed simple even. I like the saying that goes....'it is good to be born into a church, it is not good to die in one'.
I’ve lived a life knowing countless Christians of all types and I would say it’s a massive minority that think atheists are simple minded. I think they tend more towards sing atheists as people who will only move out on or believe in what can be distilled down to fit into our puny brains.
_TRUTH_ 🤔💭💡 is an *opinion* _agreed upon_ by three or more people, as opposed to _ACTS DONE_ , aka FACTS ✅ within _REALITY_ 🧐 instead of a _dreamworld..._ 😴💭😈👺🦄🌈 👻🛐🙈🙉🙊
You think he’s making an argument, you’re projecting your own inner argumentative frame onto him You deal in the world of arguments, as if you can be convinced or disproven You must dwell in debate, as if you don’t already know the truth Truth is Most Obvious But your ego seemingly prevents you from seeing it
That book was written long before factual knowledge. It belongs in the fiction section at Chapters. Believing in your fellow human is something to be found in the true story section.
Long before factual knowledge? That’s a strange claim. Like the people in genesis had no factual knowledge? What a bizarre claim. The most cutting edge evidence is that Moses actually wrote the book, and he certainly had some serious factual knowledge.
If you ask any person from every single religion that exists, they will tell you that their religion is the only real one; that their religion is the only Truth and very often times will to convince you to join them.
Which is why one must have a way to test the religions against each other, as we do with any competing claims we encounter in life. Christianity actively invites such tests, as it claims to be a faith based in physical, historical evidence. Paul specifically stated that the truth of Christianity depends on whether or not Christ physically, literally rose from the dead or not. If Jesus literally rose from the dead, this validates the things He claimed. Among those claims is that He is the sole path to the Father and eternal life.
Also, it's possible to view some religions as more correct than others. Every religion that posits the existence of a spirit is more correct than atheism. Monotheism is more correct than monism or polytheism. Christianity is more correct than Islam.
Literally true? There was a talking snake? Did Noah really built a boat for ALL animals on earth? Did Jonah chilled 3 ffucking days in the belly of the fish without suffocating or being digested? REALLY?
What bible? The one that the church (with a history of +2000 Years old) compiled or the one Luther mutiled because its writings went against his "solas"?
@@GodSoLoved.Yeshua Everything you said is untrue. All three religions are based on the same stories and in fact they are directly derived from one another, so your first statement is obviously false. "Only 1 is right" is also false, because it is quite obvious to anyone who is not a magical dogmatic thinker, that all three of these beliefs are just stories, told by people to other people, mainly to explain life and death and to bestow them with morality.
Jewish do not believe Jesus is God. Islam does not believe Jesus died on the cross. Christianity believes Jesus is God and died by crucifixion. They can't all be true and they are opposing one another. Again, only 1 can be right.
Just as a computer has BIOS/UEFI default settings, so does the human brain. Our default setting for interpretation of anything is literal. And that remains the setting unless there is sufficient reason to believe that the meaning is not literal. If I told you, “Let’s go to Texas Roadhouse for lunch”, by default you would interpret that literally, because there is nothing to suggest that the meaning is figurative.
I think you make a good point. What reason do we have to think that the account of creation isn't literal; it isn't poetic. There are other poetic books in the Bible like psalms. And the reason he gave for Moses writing what He did is because the other nations worshiped different gods? Why then are their instances in Moses's other writings where the Israelites are grumbling against and disobeying the god they made up and Moses is angry with them?
Jordan Peterson lost his way a long time ago. He says so much without saying anything... "so true it applies to everyone always.." Wow. I literally laughed aloud.
I think you're not understanding anything, brother. That's different from "him not saying anything". We can see or hear not only what we want but what we can. I think hope is a kind of prayer, so I pray for you to never stop gaining wisdom and to keep youself in the righteous way, brother.
After his addiction and treatment he didn't come back whole, you can notice his manic behavior and poor emotional control, also the ramblings. Compare it to his old conferences and professor days.
The problem is that even though you may not take the religious stories to have literally happened, a lot of religious people DO and what you believe absolutely shapes someone’s behavior and what they do with that information. If you believe that there is an actual God that exists that wants you to smite unbelievers, then it can make you do evil things because of that. THAT is what we are concerned about
Oh no killing Evil in the world is so bad 😢. You stupid asses just say this because you want “Everyone to get along” not realizing that’s literally impossible wether you believe in creation or not.
But the stories of the Bible are literally true. Besides the parables that are told. They are true. It’s not a book of metaphors or hyperbole. It’s is an account of what happened. And historical documentation back up the Bible beyond any doubt. There is more historical reference for this boom than anything else that exists.
The belief that the stories of the Bible are literally true, not just metaphorical or hyperbolic, is a perspective held by many individuals and religious communities. However, it's important to note that interpretations of religious texts, including the Bible, can vary widely among different religious traditions and denominations. While some people take a literalist approach to the Bible, others interpret it allegorically, symbolically, or metaphorically. The claim that historical documentation backs up the Bible beyond any doubt is a perspective that aligns with the faith-based belief in the historical accuracy of the Bible. It's true that certain events and places mentioned in the Bible have been supported by archaeological and historical evidence. However, the interpretation of these findings can be complex and may not always align with a strict literalist interpretation of the Bible. Historians, archaeologists, and scholars often approach ancient texts and artifacts with a critical and evidence-based methodology. While some events in the Bible have been corroborated by historical and archaeological discoveries, other events remain a matter of faith and interpretation. The diversity of interpretations and beliefs surrounding the Bible highlights the complexity of religious and historical understanding. It's essential to approach discussions about religious texts with respect for different perspectives and engage in open dialogue to foster understanding among individuals with varying beliefs.
I’m not interested in a subjective truth. Believing in something because it makes you feel good is silly. This is a huge blind spot for Jordan. He rails against a lot of the lunacy on the left with their subjective truths, but it absolutely OK with religion…
As a Conservative atheist, I can mock the Right and their religious lunacy and mock the Left with their lunacy on almost everything including religion. It’s a great world I live in.😊
So does Jordan Peterson believe the sun orbits the earth I always thought him odd but also reasonably intelligent It's absolutely ludicrous to believe a being could create everything by uttering let there be ?
It's absolutely ludicrous to believe a nothing could create everything, now share with us, how did you come to the conclusion that Peterson thinks the sun orbits the earth ? He does not believe in Zeus as far as I know. Fides et ratio goes well together.
@@zbuchus If you ever get round to reading the bible the description is that of the Sun orbiting the Earth you know the sun rises and the sun sets and hastens back to where it rises so if you preach that the bible is right then yes you believe this and that everything came from nothing, two people could start the human race, oh yes and there was a world wide flood flood mind you it was the second one as the Sumerians had one a few hundred years earlier but Atra Hasis built the ark for that one.
@@truthgiver8286 so you read the Bible and did not get the message. When someone will say "get lost" you think he acctually wants you to be lost ? You still did not convience me in believing that nothing created everything and how this belief system is more rational for an inteligent person like you.
@@zbuchus The fact that you can read a message into a bunch of bronze age myths says a lot about you. Why should I try to convince you that everything came from nothing that is the theist's belief I prefer science at least it aims for the truth!
Jordan Peters on is a gifted 'thinker'! Many of the Greek myths and legends have their roots based in the powerful recorded truth events in the bible. Therefore, it is so incredible that those who seek an opportunity to criticise and mock the bible are ironically doing so on the basis of themselves having FIRST BELIEVED the 'myth' to be merely fictional.
I will just point out here that the oral tradition of Greek myths is older than the Hebrew Bible. I would also like to point out the remarkable similarities between Greek myths and Bible stories. No doubt the latter borrowed heavily from the former. Do with that truth what you will.
“It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn’t. They kept going, because they were holding on to something. That there is some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for”
Love that quote. Reminds me a lot of Jacen's final words to Anakin in Star by Star.
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Infinitely more interesting & moving afaic
This is such a wonderful moment and speech he gave. Thanks for sharing. Do you know if this was written by Peter Jackson’s writers or JRRT’s writing?
Reading Isaiah, Amos, Jeremiah, Christ ( esp. in the Temple ), again and again I have to think ' was this written two millenia ago or two hours ago ? ' ( ' Men live and die. Truth is eternal. ' - Flaubert )
Every good lie has a bit of truth, but a lie can only last so long, but the truth is forever
I think the word deception would fit better. A lie is a lie, which means untrue but deception can surely contain truth and lots of it but then it also contains a lie, and that lie, even if only a little bit, could be deadly.
That’s an absolute word salad of nonsense.
@@haveaday1812 honestly you might be right. I'm not the best at grammar.
The best way I can describe it is when someone takes a verse out of the Bible or a person's words out of context. It's not technically lying, but using the truth to deceive someone.
Hope that makes sense.
It's important to understand that truth is part of what is good. Then sin enters the picture and what sin always seeks to do is distort what is good. Good can exist without sin but sin cannot exist without good. Sin is a parasite on the body of what is good. Therefore when it comes to dealing with truth sin will always take truth and seek to twist it - it becomes a mix of truth and error - just enough to get followers going in a wrong direction.
@@johnguyatt8515 I 100% agree with your statement!
But I'll admit though sin has always been like a Rubik's cube to me, once one side is figured out another side is distorted.
Love that JP “clips” are this long 😂❤ can’t even begin to get into deep ideas in 30secomds
Thank you sir.
I suspect some aspects of Hollywood movies have picked up on the Mystical Visions of the Catholic Mystics. Perhaps some Hollywood writers even used Catholic Mystics to write their stories. I thought Nicholas Cage's 2009 "Knowing" was excellent. I suspect the writers borrowed elements from Fatima - 1917 07 13th - Saints Jacinta & Francisco -- Servant of God Sister Lucia pray for us! The aliens at the end were reminiscent of the angels from the "Wheels within Wheels" as recorded in Ezekiel 1:1-48:22
I sold everything I have and purchased many books from EWTN. I am honored to know that Mother Angelica helped KEEP strong to our Roman Catholic Faith while large swathes of the Roman Catholic Church were falling away into a modern day Manichean Heresy.
The Tree of life is Jesus. Mother Mary chose the Tree of Life First.
The tree of the knowledge of Good & Evil is the devil. And Eve chose the devil first.
Saint Francis was considered crazy but he kept Jesus and the devil SEPARATE.
Friedrich Nietzsche went down TOO FAR and concluded God and the devil were the SAME THING.
If evil is understood as a ‘privation of good’, then the Almighty could be understood as allowing privations in order to bring a greater good.
But if evil is understood as a ‘literal physical evil’, then this understanding seems no different than the Manichean heresy.
Yes, it is a subtle distinction. But this is a crucial distinction and I think Chaos theory comes in at this point - a minor change in the initial conditions can have a big change in the final outcome.
It seems a 'false dichotomy' to insist we are caught in a cross-fire of Nurture vs. Nature. We’re already in too deep if we start with that assumption. We just need to step back and realize that Eve chose the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil FIRST. Mary chose the Tree of Life FIRST.
THE VIRGIN MARY CHOSE THE TREE OF LIFE FIRST
For someone who complains about post-modernism, Dr. Peterson sure adopts a post-modernist view of truth when it comes to religion.
Your comment is the most underrated I have ever seen. So sad!
The concept most people envision when they say or hear the word "truth" is something Peterson literally doesn't have. His discussions about what is "truth" where he tries to get all deep and pretends to be a philosopher... the notion of there being literal events and facts about the world and a responsibility to represent them honestly just sort of doesn't occur to him. That's not what the word "truth" means to him.
@@paulsmart4672When he talks about literal truth he describes the difference between that type of truth and the biblical. The biblical represents somethong always being useful, useful indeed. That truth is set there because it always was meant to. Its not a temporary thing just representing the truth for the moment
So thats what he means when he discusses literal truth. I wouldnt say he tries to be philosofic, sometimes I think so too. But the thing is, I think, that I in those scenarios havent yet understood what he meant. Because I can understand how he easily sounds confusing, not making sense
@@whilliambergenwall8137 See, thing is, that's not what the word "truth" means.
Mister be precise in your speech here ought to be a little more precise in his speech.
@@paulsmart4672I get you don’t agree
It sounds like he does annoy you. He talks about how he thinks things work, as people tend to do. If his way of talking or describing things annoy you, I recommend you watching less annoying content
Some people I can’t see without getting annoyed, and then the best for me personally is to do something else - in order to not get frustrated
Fantastic video. I really enjoyed it.
Professor Peterson, if you can, please speak to Professor John Lennox.
He was the mathematics professor at Oxford University and is a very prominent Christian apologist. He's debated (very successfully, much like yourself) some of the world's leading atheists, and overall, he is just a really kind and strong man.
He (yourself as well) has always reminded me of the verse Matthew 10:16
“Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.”
You both very obviously care and have deep compassion while also being wise and shrewd.
John Lennox is a follower of Christ but Peterson is not. Peterson understands lots of deep things and is close to the truth, but he is not an actual Christian.
Here is the video where he explains how he was too afraid of accepting the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit left him in sorrow:
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Jordan isn't a theist though, he's practically an atheist. He relies heavily on Jugian psychology to make his points about God. For him, God isn't a real person who exists.
@@hlulanizitha9920 Is Elvis a real person who exists? Does the next president of the United States exist?
You seem to be talking haphazardly without considering what "existence" means with respect to time.
One has to wonder whether you even watched the video. Fiction isn't false.
So the entire notion of whether a "real person" exists is immaterial. Somebody befitting the archetypes exists or existed.
Yesssssssssssssssssss we need this!!!!
I watched this clip to get Jordan Peterson’s perspective. Why is so much of it somebody else? Jordan Peterson speaks well for himself and does not need anyone else to elaborate or explain.
I believe his perspective boils down to trying to understand what the other side believes. He’s been doing that since his early years, when he was trying to understand what the Communists believed they were doing. In going all the way down to the underlying values that are the base of those beliefs, he can very well see what’s missing fundamentally. He looked into that with the cold war communists, and now with neo-marxist liberalism.
His clarity and comprehension is a gift to our times
from --- you know who.
A genuine effort is being offered to put us all back on the "yellow brick road".
His podcasts are largely Socratic dialogues. You need two to tango in a dialogue, real or imagined. You're missing half the revelation if you're just trying to ff through his guest's contribution. They are guests for good reasons.
I love it when I am listening to someone intelligent and they are describing something I have been thinking, but in different words. It feels like confirmation in feeling that whatever it is... is really from God like I thought.
A while back I was sitting in the living room .. I think it was Easter weekend? or was I watching a royal wedding? I can't recall now... but I wasn't watching something that had ANYthing to do with the thought. It just came out of nowhere. It felt like God was walking me through a series of reasoning.
Before even Adam was created God said, "Let Us create them in Our Image." This is so packed with information!
This means this statement applies to EVERY single human being..... that has ever existed, exists now, or will ever exist. Also.... there is the understanding here that God is more than one.... so if God needs three divine beings to be fully represented.... there is no possible way for one human to be a full image of Him.
So what does all THAT mean!? As far as I can tell in the past several years since these thoughts have occurred, it can only mean one thing (and please if anyone has a different perspective that it can mean something else... please chime in!). I believe that this means that we all... each and every one of us that have ever existed, exist now, or ever will exist, we all hold a piece of His Image. (and I'm not even yet getting into what that exactly means...)
This means that anytime I am meeting or interacting with someone... I have the opportunity to see the part of that individual that reflects God. This also means that I have a responsibility to the piece that I myself possess. That piece is within me... how do I find it and how do I steward it well?! I want to help it present as easily as possible. I don't want it mucked up with pride, or greed or anything else that might take away from everyone seeing Him when they are with me. I don't want to "hide it under a bushel."
What Dr. Peterson just finished discussing at min 12:08.... he says it differently.... but it's basically the same thing.
It's hard living in truth, like he discusses in other videos. But I figure that is where the piece of Him must reside. The truth of my perspective. It's the only thing that is unique to each individual. There are themes that are familiar from person to person. we all experience death for example.... grief. But our experiences of those things are very intimate and personal. The honesty of life through the lens of my perspective is what can offer others help or comfort.... which is usually the first ways people experience God, through help/comfort. I have a lot of human baggage that gets in the way of being able to communicate well all the time... but I am learning. I believe that is what living life is about..... learning how to best communicate/reflect the piece of Him that resides in us through offering up our perspective of this experience called life.
Aren’t you simply saying that you and another person are interpreting the same piece of text in roughly the same way? That doesn’t sound miraculous to me. If you’ve done that, probably 1000s of others have too. And, in fact, a lot of what you are saying is consistent with the core ideas of Hinduism. Maybe you are really a Hindu but don’t know it … you’ve stumbled onto an understanding of ultimate reality but are looking a veil of Judeo-Christianity and so lack full awareness.
It's a guarantee that I lack full awareness. To believe otherwise is arrogance that prolongs ignorance.
To say that I am Hindu or Christian or whatever.... I don't really care what box people try to put me in... I know that I don't really want to study religions to figure out where I "belong." I am perfectly happy simply having a relationship with God.
and yes... I am saying that we are interpreting things in a similar way... that is the point of my comment. I wish I could explain better why that is significant... but I struggle with words sometimes. However... I never said it was "miraculous" I don't think (I went back to look if I used that word and I couldn't find it)... I said I love it when I am listening to someone intelligent and they are saying something similar to what I have been thinking, too.
I am the last child in a big family... I am often told that my opinions don't matter. For most of my life I have believed this lie. God is helping me understand it isn't true through moments like these. Jordan Peterson is someone people respect. He is intelligent. People want to hear what he has to say. He thinks deeply and complexly. When he is talking, it is obvious... to me anyway... that he often "sees" a lot of "connections" to the topic being discussed.
Some of the significant differences between us is that he has training and a professional career behind his name, and I do not. He has confidence, and I lack it. He is well spoken... and I am working on it, lol... getting better. But... our brains tick very similarly. There is something in the differences that led me to have anxiety and other issues because of things that go on in my brain... whereas Dr. Peterson is able to navigate similar things much better.
So when he says something that reflects what I have been thinking... it helps me believe the lie, that I don't matter, that much less... if that makes sense.
But also... when someone else "confirms" some kind of "important thought" such as the one being discussed in this part of the video... it helps me understand even more that the thought came from God rather than just the rantings of a lunatic middle aged woman. lol
@@caydancebloom "it helps me understand even more that the thought came from God" Well, as secularist, I consider that a claim of something miraculous whether you choose to use that word or not.
@@esa916 so if there are many personalities within a person then why can they not "inhabit" both? It makes sense.... It is claimed after Jesus ascended that the Holy Spirit came to fill every Christian (at least as I recall from my teachings in a Christian church attended long ago. But if one can "house" the Holy Spirit, in addition to being an Image bearer of God.... but also be capable of sinning.... it definitely makes one think!
Yes, when you meet someone it is like meeting one version of them. I myself have found it extremely helpful to think of different parts of my personality as different characters. It has helped me identify what "parts" within are "acting up" and kind of "ask" it what it needs. I realized this was going to help me with self-care because I tend to take care of others before myself... so seeing myself as "other" has been helpful. Like... I recognized "Anger" gets stirred up when "JJ" (the naive little girl that was traumatized) is some how threatened or taken advantage of.
Try it out! The idea came to me after dating a guy that was really into role playing games. I really enjoy the process of using those types of games to help a "character" ..... uhm... "develop" (sorry for all the quotes. I'm just not sure if the words I have necessarily make sense within the sentence.) Anyway... I started doing it through learning roleplaying games... but later I found out it is actually a legitimate thing in the mental health world known as "piece work."
It is my belief that as I learn more about each of these parts within me... I will also learn to know when to draw upon which part given a situation. I'm hoping this will help me be around people more.... eventually. Right now I am just weird.
@@esa916 wow that is fascinating. bodies are amazing!
First 3 minutes of this is some of the most profound, intellectually exquisite commentary I’ve ever heard. There is a higher level, an absolute objective morality that transcends the physical world.
Questioning everything should be the mind's default. A weak mind is a servant of tyranny, IMHO.
So hard to do though. Questioning your own beliefs is so hard and we all do it less than we think we do. The first thing to question is if you are actually questioning. Because odds are you aren't.
The weak minded don't care.
What counts as a question
Question everything for default and your parents kill you in your childhood...brain evolute to survival, even if is the survival of the sheep
Yes exactly NEVER STOP QUESTIONING. And that includes the Bible what its ACTUAL agenda
This is why comedians are the truth tellers and not the news casters....
We may play the fool well...but do not suffer them so.
Only the jester may speak the truth to the king
@@steveunderhill5935 While we play the fool well..we do not suffer them so.
The most beautiful thing about fiction is that it is left to the reader/viewer to determine what's "in it" for them.
Not everybody is going to see what you see and what they saw is just as valid to them as what you saw is to you.
As one who was raised with the Bible and a reasonable sense of the value of truth and my personal responsibility, can I comment a little:
I still learn from scripture: it speaks to me if I let it, in ways I never heard before, sometimes harsh in cold, in-your-face chastisement, sometimes useful counsel, other times comforting, but generally enlightening in some way. But I have to want it. I have grown to see the Christ as less of religious figures the 'Church' would oblige us to see and more as very real and immensely inspired philosophers, teachers and supremely qualified in the most deep and vital ways of truth and life.
@@stilllearning1160 Thank you for presenting your opinion and doing it in a way that doesn't feel as if you're trying to convince anyone else to live as you do... like JBP does (intentionally or not).
Atheists don't have a problem with fiction. Fiction is great entertainment and great lessons and values can be woven throughout fiction. Star Wars is an epic story of the fight between good and evil and most can relate to the ethics of the Jedi Knights and the wisdom of Yoda. The atheists problem is with any people who would claim that Luke Skywalker, Chewbacca and Darth Vader are actual real people (and whatever Chewbacca is) fighting the battle in a galaxy far, far away to destroy the Death Star.
Yer but that is true of human art. What the bible is meant to be is the undeniable word of God...its meant to guide humanity. So why is it so vague?
@@JP-je6jg If you find "guidance" from the bible, then that's awesome... for you. However, if you expect ME to buy into the "undeniable word of God" part, well... then you'd better be prepared to substantiate that claim with some demonstrable repeatable evidence.
There's no reason a story can't be both true AND literal.
the words ''agnostic and Atheist'' only exist because someone else ''claimed'' ''there is a god'' and was then asked to prove it.
the claim has been propagated without proof, so I now need to be labelled ''Atheist'' because the religious could not prove their claims.
8 billion people, a millennia, still no proof and yet I have to carry a label from religious mystics that are desperate to believe in something with no evidence. how dare you label me with no evidence!.
@@Ian-if2lfwhat kind of proof would suffice?
@@maluke8712 irrefutable evidence
@@maluke8712 God or anything supernatural is not proveable by definition.
If it was proveable it would just be normality, or science.
Morality
There is no objective right or wrong if there is no God.
There is no purpose. Everything is a big cosmic accident.
But you can't live that out, morality is evidence of a God. ✝️
The hare and the tortoise did not race literally but the story is full of truth.
This is the point I’ve been making. The value comes from the moral of the story, whether or not the story actually happened is irrelevant.
@@AvinaLookAbaatofc it's relevant. Everyone knows hare and tortious story is fiction, when it comes to religion, no actual believer claims it's fiction, and if they are convinced is fiction, then they're lying if they claim they are, which goes against one of the core values. Simplifying such a nuanced and complex situation to "stories move people, so let's act like it's real" is very naive. It ignores the wars, discrimination, government policies and influence, manipulation done by religious authority, biases based on culture, devaluing science, etc. I agree some of the stories have value and are interesting, but that's so irrelevant to the issues at hand
Exactly.@@spawncampe
Ok so Jesus is not literally historical and did not literally rise up from the dead. It is all a story telling some big truth. I can buy that...
Yeah. But the message in the bible isnt healthy or useful or well spelled out to avoid confusion. Id throw it out. We have science and social mechanisms better than spiritual tribalism now.
"Every story ever told really happened. Stories are where memories go when they're forgotten." That quote is way too poignant to have just been in an episode of Doctor Who.
Grant Morrison has said the same.Grant also said just because fiction didn't happen doesn't mean it isn't true.
But no
I guess if I believe really hard Star Trek TOS will be real like his bible. UHURA HERE I COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jordan is so dumb
@@BaronFeydRautha Speaking as an atheist, I think it's clear that you've rather missed the point. But that's okay - most people do, theist or not. 🙄
@@joshuastrawser9160 No I got it. Fake it till you make it. Just like every other religion. Just because people use their lives to pull inspiration from to make up stories, does not make those stories true or "real" like JP wants to pretend.
Thank you prof. Jordan Peterson for SPEAKING THE TRUTH ! ❤
Except he cannot form a coherent sentence without insane tangents😅
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@@FentonMulley-cz8pvbecause he's rationalizing his nonsensical beliefs, painful to watch
the words ''agnostic and Atheist'' only exist because someone else ''claimed'' ''there is a god'' and was then asked to prove it.
the claim has been propagated without proof, so I now need to be labelled ''Atheist'' because the religious could not prove their claims.
8 billion people, a millennia, still no proof and yet I have to carry a label from religious mystics that are desperate to believe in something with no evidence. how dare you label me with no evidence!.
What gets me is how certain types of things happen naturally over time compared to spinning a persons wheels around to throw them off balance due to tracks that have been left behind to follow when wandering around in certain locational places when your trying to look for certain markers to help stay the course.
I was a teenager when I read Crime and Punishment and Sonya really impacted me. I'm female but all I had known up to that point were trashy females who WANTED to be whores. My mother, my so-called "friends." I felt so alone for wanting to wait for sex and praying to God. Sonya seemed so pure and gentle and loyal. That's who I wanted to be, not these progressive harpies that only care about themselves. I think the story of Adam and Eve and their downfall is a cautionary tale about feminism - submitting to females, not god.
I appreciate the light that obviously burns from within you. It must do so more in you than in those females you first knew.
Keep it safe, keep your faith, whatever way you can. God bless.
I love the way you think.
Mhm true , that adam and eve story is a cautionary tale about A LOT OF THINGS, like what happens when you lack discipline and self control , futile arrogance in thinking you can know better than the creator , Men that dont know how to lead their women in God's ways and just go with the flow, How parents behaviours and choices dont only impact them but future generations too,
Self defeating attitude of thinking chasing fleshly desires will yield any good.
How in a partnership if you dont love each other according to God's word, you will eventually lead each other astray
and also how fear of the lord is the real beginning of wisdom and any other sources can lead to consequences you never imagined , as a former atheist i will make an example " we are all stardust , there is no God, when we die thats it, so what does it matter what i do or if i use the next person ,We are all just dust and emotions are chemical reactions and if a hurt a person its just chemicals and they wont even be alive to remember it in a 100 years anyways " that is false wisdom that can lead a person down a very dark path in how they treat others and themselves. But when you fear God you start to see the world in a way you never could before. , Other atheists will try to say you can be atheist and still good, but if there is no God then who defines good and who are you to tell the next person what they should and shouldnt do if we are all just stardust and chemical reactions? .
I thank God so much that veil of darkness got lifted off my eyes , now the only wisdom i seek is from the creator of life himself, Not humans who they themselves haven't truly figured out a single thing about living
@@kgosiking4228 this comment is amazing brother, Literally this past week I've just been thinking of atheists and that it's so sad to see them ignore their creator, so corrupt as humans we believe everything we are, came from nothing. It was on my mind this past week and as I read your comment I had joy in my heart because I'm literally so happy to see atheists actually coming to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. The reason I call you brother is because I'll see you in heaven, any believer is my brother. I got a question tho,
Do you ever remember what initiated the change, was it friends/family or was it your own initiative to find out, how did you begin to know the truth?
I always wondered if an atheist is left alone to think their own way, such as what you described, that in being atheist, there is no moral standard therefore raping isn't any different from giving a million dollars to charity. Say that you were to leave that atheist alone, would anything come from him? because they are just lost completely. They've deluded themselves into believing we came from nothing... like........ what? So do you think there would ever be a chance of them humbling themselves and actually realising that we are created than non other than God. Can they do it by their own initiative or is there a need for an external source to assist them? for e.g maybe a near death experience, supernatural experience, even just stumbling across a street preacher. I'm not too sure tho
Everything just makes too much sense, I know there's a God and I believe him and he loves everyone and wishes for everyone to come to him, God bless you all
@@kgosiking4228it's also a story how God intentionally caused us to sin. It's the story with the birth of sin, God's creation.
Love petersons content. M discovering love and deep depression at the same time as healing from baseless substance abuse
The Bible is a novel.
@@RobertTaylor-gz2fu He literally addresses that the bible is fiction and why it is still significant. You basically admitted to not listening
@@TheEggroll4321 Few Christians acknowledge that. They usually insist it's all factual.
Continue on your gifted journey. 😊
@@RobertTaylor-gz2fu Scientists insist too that their theories/stories are factual.
But that's just a matter of philosophical choice.
Science is "factual" if you are a realist.
Science is "useful fiction" if you are an instrumentalist.
Both are perfectly valid world-views.
Still, some rather prominent names have supported the notion of "Model-dependent realism" which undermines the unity of truth/facts.
In terms of Shakespeare, I think "The Taming of the Shrew" illustrates my situation most accurately, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."
Shakespeare didn’t write anything. He is the opposite of truth.
So is "God" a woman?
12:30 As a Catholic, I often here about "seeing Christ in people," such as the saints did in their lives. This might be a good way to explain that sentiment. It certainly was for me.
How can you be a catholic after you read the bible?
Pretty much every Catholic doctrine has it's direct grounds at least partially in scripture, and all have their indirect root in scripture. "@@lilMidz "Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle." 2 Thessalonians 2:15. Did you know there are many omitted gospels in many protestant bibles including the King James Version because they too obviously contradicted protestant theology? If I were you, I'd read them.
@@lilMidz lol. Interesting question, I was born and raised catholic, my parents are both catholic, very good people. It's seemingly obvious their doctrine is absent in the new testament but I don't know what keeps them there. Similar to the new breed of Christians, prosperity, prophetic, healing and deliverance, it's all nonsense. The problem is Christianity generally speaking and I am saying this as a person who believes the bible to be the authoritative word of God.
@@mashfintech Does that mean you disregard the new testament?
That's a matter of faith and what you believe of course. But if you accept the new testament it makes absolutely no sense to be catholic, and being born in it is no excuse if you ask me
So Jesus didn't really exist
Sure, Jordan, as an atheist, I agree that most of my fellows fail to appreciate some of the value of the fictional stories of the Bible. But on the other hand, Christians and other theistic people tend to fail to recognize their holy books as being fiction at all, which is what drives most atheists nuts over those books and why they tend to rail against them as being taken as historically true or often even morally true.
Some ancient stories have value when taken non-literally, but plenty of the stories in the Bible, especially in the Hebrew Scriptures, are not "morally true," as they teach some truly abominable morals. (See: Genesis 22, Exodus 21, Leviticus 26, Numbers 31, Deuteronomy 28, the genocides of Joshua, Job, etc). As an atheist, I had befriended a local church and found great meaning and value in socializing there for a year and a half, baking for the entire church, cleaning it up some mornings before going to work, and performing hospitality during their fellowship time. But then I attended a Bible study that focused on some of these fictional stories, and I gave rather clear moral assessments of them, pointing out the abusive relationship dynamics between God and His people (Genesis 22, Leviticus 26, Deuteronomy 28, and Job). I was responded to with horror for daring to suggest that you should have basic standard and conditions, setting healthy boundaries in all your relationships, including the God you choose to worship and enjoy the most intimate of relationships with. After a year and a half of fellowshipping with this church, I suddenly had my motives for being there brought into question, being asked why an atheist is even attending their church and being accused of only wanting to argue, despite not arguing at all. I was merely pointing out the obvious immorality of threatening to have people's wives ravished by other men and forcing parents to eat their children for not keeping to the covenantal relationship God had laid out (Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28). It is a maddening experience to become a social pariah for sticking to the moral principle that child abuse is always evil, no matter what context someone wishes to give it (Genesis 22, Numbers 31, and the genocides of Joshua). I have stopped attending that church, and I have given up on trying to socialize with churches at all at this point.
Firstly, sorry to hear how you were treated, some congregations can be very closed off to challenges to belive systems. The whole "you are challenging my whole world and self image" thing that they seem to think about anyone having any form of questions.
Secondly, oh yes, the old testament has plenty of places that has some morally questionable things in it, even some of the new testament as you pointed out with the examples.
Now I can't speak for others but I can speak from my own point.
I'm religious (I'm Christian but I don't identify with any one particular subgroup and admit that I sometimes struggle with my beliefs) because of a verity of things that I have experienced and have happened to me; but this doesn't mean that I don't question a lot of things within my own religion. I've had plenty of conversations with friends who range from atheists to hindu to wiccan and I still find it interesting to hear the views of people who think differently.
Now I'm going to make an argument, or rather an observation, here and it's probably one you have heard before but I would still like to make it.
Firstly some of the examples that are often made to show the immorality of God are cases like Genesis 22 but when read in context and totality then we see that it was a test to see how devoted Abraham (in this example) is to God. Now I do admit this is not an argument that works all the time but the point of context is important, not just the context of things like time period but also what the point of the text is.
Secondly I read the old testament as a "here is how it was and what was required before Jesus came and God softened to a strict father arcitype" type of thing. This is my interpretation born from my own readings and interactions with others.
Now this change in how God became softer with his people but still strict resonates a lot with me as my own father was always very loving and I saw how good he was for us and how much he did. But; he was incredibly strict and steadfast in his views and judged all around him to his standards. This all changed at some point when he started becoming more religious. He is still strict and if you ask for advice and ignore it, you will receive little simpathy but his love shows through a lot more. I feel like the change we see from God between the beginning of the Bible to the end reminds me of his change.
But that's my 10 cents based on personal experience.
Hope you have a good day.
@@beardedricotheold2640”before god softened to a strict father archetype”
God is by definition unchanging and eternally perfect. Any arguments of that sort or “he was taking the social climate of the time into consideration” are completely hollow since God should be so above us in power and intelligence and morality and EVERYTHING that the notion of him adjusting his own conduct and morals to the norm of humanity are utterly ridiculous.
@@theodorable1425 I was referring to the decrease in punishments like what was in the old testament compared to the new and referring to it as a softening but sorry if that didn't come across. English is not my first language.
On the second part. Isn't that the whole argument for the permanency of any deity not just God and how they never change in any way even though there are examples in a lot of different religious texts and mythology that shows that deities do change and sometimes the changes being quiet major? That's an argument that normally goes into several different paths depending on the answer so I'm just going to say that yes I think that God is above us in all those ways but I also think that there is enough scripture to show some change even if it is just in the way He interacts with the world and his believers. Even if you want to look at it from a purely mythological point then there is still changes in the source material.
Hope you have a good day/evening
Well GOD doesn't fit into neither your standards, nor your understanding. You have to seek truth from GOD'S perspective.
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Child abuse (butchering them and sexually enslaving them) is always evil. Threatening to force parents to eat their children is always evil. What the God in the Old Testament stories I cited above commands is always evil. I agree that the God of the Bible doesn't fit into my standards or my understanding, because a being who commands such gross evils yet commands to be praised and worshiped as the highest good is a being I am incapable of understanding and is a being who is beneath my moral standards. The same is true for Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and every other monster who commanded their peoples to butcher children and allowed their people to sexually assault people, including children.
To seek truth from the perspective of a God who outright delights in committing the cruelest acts against His own people to the exact same degree that He delights in helping them grow and mature (Deuteronomy 28:63) is madness. Morality and truth cannot be borne out of a being whose moral perspective is as warped as this.
Jordan I have to say that I THANK GOD for you.
I'm atheist and i agree with most thing said here.
Fiction is not false, it's a story that bring to light ideas and moral in a really effective way.
It's been studied countless times that stories are so important to the human mind it help us discover new ideas and view of the world it help propagate knowledge and meaning over really every subject.
That's why has an atheist i respect and i like religions because they are i think the best stories ever ! They give moral value, a way to live, a way to enjoy life, meaning in your life and so much more benefit.
I really liked growing up in religion because that gave me a lot of moral value really easily and when i got further and further away from christianity i didn't need to discover moral value i just had to find sense of these moral value in a godless world i just needed to discover why the bible thaught me all of that, what was the point of religion.
Still this video didn't make me question my lack of belief because it's not because it is good fiction that i'm going to do the rituals that are prescribed in this fiction and also because years of thinking gave me answer on how i will live my life and with what moral values
the words ''agnostic and Atheist'' only exist because someone else ''claimed'' ''there is a god'' and was then asked to prove it.
the claim has been propagated without proof, so I now need to be labelled ''Atheist'' because the religious could not prove their claims.
8 billion people, a millennia, still no proof and yet I have to carry a label from religious mystics that are desperate to believe in something with no evidence. how dare you label me with no evidence!.
Atheists don't have a problem with fiction. Fiction is great entertainment and great lessons and values can be woven throughout fiction. Star Wars is an epic story of the fight between good and evil and most can relate to the ethics of the Jedi Knights and the wisdom of Yoda. The atheists problem is with any people who would claim that Luke Skywalker, Chewbacca and Darth Vader are actual real people (and whatever Chewbacca is) fighting the battle in a galaxy far, far away to destroy the Death Star.
@@chrisgraham2904That not the issue I had when I finally realized God excited. It was the absolute state of being aware of what it is to be alive and thinking about infinity. Nothing can be created or destroyed. Yet we are here for some reason, life not only likes structure but it demands it. When we come to that singularity of creation itself there should be nothing yet we are here. Nothing should exist. It’s not even an argument the point of something is to have a meaning or job otherwise it wouldn’t exist in the first yet we are here. I can say for current whatever God is he is outside of physics itself the infinite Logos. I finally understand what it meant in revelations by “I am the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the End.” God isn’t going to give us evidence that is going to point right to him because it wouldn’t make sense to salvation itself. This has to be true there is no other way.
@@tapep225 “This has to be true, there is no other way” is a fallacious claim. There could be many, many other ways, which you fail to consider and you default to “The God of the Gap”.
You state that “God is outside of physics itself and infinite logos”, yet, for some reason you state that you “finally realized God existed”. Tell me how you came to build a belief without evidence? I would not hold a belief in the existence of dogs, if I could not provide you with verifiable, demonstrable and repeatable evidence that dogs do exist.
You claim; “Yet we are here for some reason”. How did you determine that your existence has a reason? Who established that reason and provide evidence of it? The Universe is an environment of absolute chaos and any patterns or structure, are a determination of our own minds and our feeble attempt to make sense of it. If you seek purpose for your life, it is up to you to create, or find the purpose in your life, which can bring you some satisfaction during the short time that you will exist here.
“Nothing should exist”, is another fallacious claim without evidence. How did you determine what “should” or “should not” exist?
“God isn’t going to give us evidence that is going to point right to him” - Why? The Bible states that God wants us to know him. God is the ultimate player of Hide & Seek. Why would a god not reveal himself/herself with verifiable evidence to every human being within his creation? Finally, the controversy, conflicts and wars between hundreds of different religions and ideologies would disappear and a greater love and harmony could exist throughout the world. Why does God not want that harmony to take place?
@@chrisgraham2904 Atheists have a problem with truth. Christ Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. They hate Jesus because he speaks nothing but the the truth. The main one being that we are all sinners in need of his Grace and mercy. We are sinners not because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. Christ Jeus is our only hope. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
For me, this is the most thought provoking man on the internet.
When your guest mentioned that people needed to come on board the empirical platform to prove a truth, it reminded me of my struggles, as a prodominantly right hemisphere dominant individual, in dealing with highly left hemisphere dominant people. It's two different ways of knowing. Just because the empirical evidence can be lined up, all nice and tidy, doesn't mean that a holistic or intuitive way of knowing is wrong or irrelevant. I think that one of the most glaring and most unfortunate examples of that is in conventional versus holistic medicine. I also think that's why the Catholic church made marriage a sacrament because when opposites attract and those two different ways of knowing come together, they create a union of both hemispheres that is most God-like. I think that G_d is the ultimate dual-dominant creator and we miss a lot when we don't recognize that.
Excellent thanks
Amen to that
The problem is when the holistic viewpoint insists its 100% correct all the time. Reality must come first. So if there is something that has been observed 1000 times to happen the same way 1000 times it doesn't matter what the holistic viewpoint has to say because y'all will grasp at things that aren't there then when we ask how you know you point to the Bible, when we ask how do you know the bible is true you point to God, when we ask how do you know God is true you point to the Bible. Y'all's method of understanding is "source: trust me bro"
Thanks!!! Very interesting.
It's not by intellect folks it's by faith. Trouble with that? Then start with prayer to whatever you believe might have created you. I say might because some of you here in the comments call yourself atheist. Pray for guidance and wisdom it will not be denied. Best of luck in your pursuit and I will pray for you salvation and success.
The effect of prayer is placebic only.
It’s by faith and it’s also by intellect. God did not give us our intellect to throw it into the trashcan. God proves himself out in our lives. And he gave us an intellect to interact with as well. And trust comes over time and experience with God. The intellect is not thrown away. But yes, faith is foundational. And God develops faith in us. And he works with our intellect.
There's a different between believing in God, believing in a God, and believing the Bible is true
True brother😅
Thank you for these two guests!
I think I have better answer to Jordans question. When we read, after our prayer, and place ourselves within each character one at a time sometimes we find that once completed we are actually more than when we started. Not learning per se but becoming.
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
Just lovely hearing JP talk about Christ ❤
JP is a 100% bogus. Just putting hollow phrases on top of each other in his endless quest to get rich.
@@bikerrecumbent1064 : Well said communist dupe. Enjoy the Great Tribulation.
Nailed it! One correction from the monotheistic perspective. The ancient people, and the Jews unequivocally knew there were multiple deities and ruling spirits. Ba’al being somewhat of the more important among them. But these, in the Jewish and later early Christian tradition, were understood to be fallen angels; beings who took praise upon themselves and fell. What scripture makes clear is that there is no god like Our God. He is the Lord of lords, the Lord of Spirits. Monotheism is a modern notion. What it aims to do is to say there is only one God when in reality, there is only one God worthy of worship because there are no other gods (or spiritual beings) like Him. Perhaps another higher order truth that doesn’t need to be taken literally, but I hold it is. Do with it what you will. Excellent discussion!!
That's because Yahweh was a lesser deity in the Canaanite pantheon before he became the Lord (Adonai)
you forgot that there is only ONE Creator of universe
This is so wrong. God was very clear that he is one, and that he is the only was, is, and is to come, and beside him, there is no other.
There are other created beings, but there has never been multiple Gods.
The day when they will (all) come out,nothing of them will be hidden from Allah. Whose is the Kingdom this day?(Allah Himself will reply to His question). It is Allah's the one, the irresistible. Quran 40:16.
Any attempt to write the greatest story, we inevitably capture the "structure of expirience." a story is built upon the main character. And the main characters purpose is to portray the structure of "character development." Analyzing "How to Train your Dragon Trilogy" captured the process of Carl Jung's Process of Individuation which blew my mind. From integrating the persona, encountering the shadow then integrating the shadow(1st movie), integrating the anima through the guidance of the wise old woman(2nd movie), to Individuation(3rd movie which i haven't fully articulated) i highly recommended it to anyone and jordan when yall brain dead at night like me all the time lol. Fyi its 4am as I'm writing this comment
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Damn that’s interesting, I might give it a watch with my younger sisters, they’ll see it as pure entertainment while I will be trying to see it from a psychoanalytical pov.
good luck sleeping in the era of overstimulating youtube
I’ve recently started reading the book. I think I completely misunderstood genesis. Thank you
Genesis is important and there are very good pastors on you tube that can help you understand. However, and is merely a suggestion, start with the New Testament -you will find the sermon that Jesus gave in Matthew. 👍.
It's hard to understand geneis. Because enoch scripture is removed. Explains what the fallen angels are. And explains more information to the flood
@@Matthew-yr2yr enoch's book is available but there are two versions - whi h one to chose?. It is however very good background to have.
Book of giants
Will also suggest reading john 14:6 and Roman's 10:9.
As an atheist I'm social and respect those with a mystical religious view about their existence. It's where I started with family and friends, but curiosity and an active mind drew me into learning basic biology about the diverse evolutionary dynamics of our human species. This information is located on the Tree of Life chart. My curiosity continues to be active.
I say respectfully that atheism is a faith that believes in magic. As in the universe and all life came from essentially nothing. The tree of life resulting from belief in Darwinism or neo Darwinism has been proven a sham by science, in knowledge of the genome for example. It's back to the drawing board on any theory's of evolution.
Nothing gains new information even a virus , only looses information which make changes. Your being lied to
If you're curious about God, then stop calling yourself a unbeliever then.
@@summerrose8110Why, and what do you mean by unbeliever? I have my definition, but what I mean is not some spitfeul, God hating, arrogant, and ignorant person when I say unbeliever. I mean just someone who lacks belief. I think the OP is just saying he is interested in biblical theology, God, and he isn't a pompous atheist.
@@summerrose8110 No, curiosity does not imply belief, nor can you choose your beliefs.
You are right Sir Peterson, bible truly is the Truth. Amen & God bless ✝✝🕊🕊
thank you for supporting.
I love this the bible is about seeing life as it is. Rather than making your own projection of what you think it may be. A outline to live wonderfully and truthfully.
That can work if you cherry pick the good parts.
Yes, well, the NT reminds slaves to give full respect to their masters. Don't forget, don't make it a projection of what you think it is.... it is what it says. It is the inspired and preserved word of God.
1 Timothy 6:
*All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered.* 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, *they should serve them EVEN BETTER because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare of their slaves.*
^ *These are the things you are to teach and insist on. *3 If anyone teaches OTHERWISE and does not agree to the SOUND INSTRUCTION of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 they are conceited and understand nothing.* They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
6 But godliness with *contentment* is great gain. 7 *For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it.* 8 But if we have *food and clothing*, we will *be content with that.* 9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses. 13 In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time-God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, *whom no one has seen or can see*. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.
17 Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. 18 Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. 19 In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.
20 Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21 which some have professed and in so doing have departed from the faith.
Grace be with you all.
That's how religion was birthed, the point for religion is for people to get close to God, than man added traditional and laws into their religions to suit what men wanted.
Jesus said your body is your temple, man turned it into a building for them to preach in.
You see I could take out say, all the chapters of +Luke+, than write and publish Luke, than create traditions and laws to follow, build a congregation and call it +The Luke In Christ Church+.
There is now 4,000 Christian religions globally.
Yet there is only 1 solid paper Bible.
@@chrisgraham2904no one cherry picks anything about the Bible, we just understand what it says. Non Christians who tend to not understand it think we are supposed to use it all equally 100% of the time. Time passes in the Bible, things change
@@jacobi-vision3249 LOL That certainly is not true. Since there over 200 different forms of Christian churches, which all have different interpretations of the same book and each determines what percentage and what messages they use from it. Most disregard, or make excused for the immoral actions of the Abrahamic God. Most Christians believe that the perfect word of God is absolute and timeless and never subject to change.
Just because there is some (read: a LOT) deeper meaning to a story doesnt mean the literal interpretation is wrong
Correct. God is always kept a little mystery in some of the things that he has communicated to us. A more literal interpretation may very well be true. But I don’t think we’ll ever get to the point where we can prove that. Because then many humans would be Trying to jam God down peoples throats. He always leaves a little mystery there.
He speaks as a smart person who is high on something and no longer making sense but still knowing how to sound smart
I could see how people might think that when they don’t understand what he’s saying.
@@MarkMetternichPhotographyLLC care to enlighten us??
Or you’re not making the effort to understand him
Truth and fact are different. A fact can be measured from physical effects over and over again within the world.... A truth is understood for how things happen in the world within the psychological understanding of the world, more often then not they may be experienced, but sometimes the psychology of the person may not even notice what took place, and then not noted or recorded at all, unlike within the understanding of science.
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
when Jordan Peterson talks about the bible its like his platinum version of himself. So profound. we all Love it
we all?
There's no profundity in this. Pure waffle
We all?
We all?
What's platinum is what Matt Dillahunty did to him in a debate
Jordan Peterson talking about the Bible is Peterson at his best. I've never finished reading the bible, but I am resolving to do so now.
Amen, Seriously do so When you get to Romans, Galatians, Corinthians, Thessolonians, Great Books The Book of Danial and Ephesians are Also great ones.. You can't Never go wrong with Psalms and Proverbs!!
Please do!
My favorite Bible story is when some children make fun of a man’s baldness and god sends a bear down to maul the children. Classic God.
Spoilers, god hates its creation, has regret and then murders millions in his regret. LOL.
NT god is a new god that has experienced ego death. Too bad it too will eventually regret its creation and murder billions.
@@storminmormn6283 mine is when this one and only god says
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image
where does the "US" and "OUR" come from how many gods are there?
@@storminmormn6283 Nice 1, storm.
Probably the most brilliant conversation on the internet.
Whether right or wrong, this is a really good discussion by really great thinkers.
For Jordan to declare that "we don't have the language to express how true (the Bible story) is" is the best way to express Bible Truth.
That means absolutely nothing.
Important distinction to make. The majority of Atheists are not so due to an ignorance of religion but to the contrary a deep understanding of religion. If you ask a true Atheist if there is a God they will say "I don't know." You may ask why. The reason is that while there is no evidence of God there is also no remarkable evidence of there not being one also. However, there are many things in the Bible as well as many other religious texts that are highly improbable. These books are a moral guide at best (depending on what you consider to be morally correct). And while there are some parallels between proven history and religious texts, many of the religious books tell stories of unrealistic feats.
You are intellectually shallow and spiritually adolescent
Your focus on religion, morality, evidence, and atheism demonstrates this
You seemingly lack the metaphysical understanding of Self
You shall stagnate in your logic and reason until you transcend your egoistically imposed framework
Religion is a distorted expression of Fundamental Truth
See the Truth as a whole, don’t get preoccupied with its beautiful distortions (unless you want to 😊)
You have not yet transcended religion, if you must still religiously and ironically debate against it, stooping to the same level as the “naïve fundamentalist”
An atheist who says I don’t know is not an atheist. They are agnostic
Would you accept the truth if it would be shown to you?
What’s Agnostic then? Do Agnostics not exist?
i am a godless atheist and they are godless christians.
These stories are deep because thats what you make of them Dr. Peterson. To those who dont apply any epistemic value to them, they are not deep.
All the affirmation you'll ever need for "live your truth"
"Your Truth?" ....or the actual truth, that can be supported by verifiable, demonstrable and repeatable evidence?
Fiction obviously can't be supported by any of those things... but it's not false, mental gymnastics it sounds to me
@@richardbigham4138Peterson is notorious for taking "the deep dive" into issues, but in this case he has dived hundreds of feet deeper than the average Christian to develop his interpretation.
Peterson is saying that the fictional story of Star Wars, for example, contains certain truths, such as the struggle between good and evil, as Luke Skywalker battles against Darth Vader. So, it is a story of truth.
However, Nobody should be making the claim that Luke Skywalker, Princess Laya, Chewbacca and Darth Vader, or the Death Star actually exist in reality.
@@chrisgraham2904 I'm not really sure if I should thank you for further illustrating my point since I didn't really ask you to but JP's lecture can also be used in favor of the "live your truth" philosophy using the same logic.
Anyway, thanks for playing.
So is it “true” or merely “Bible true” that the earth was created a mere 6,000 or so years ago? I mean, how wrong can a “truth” be before it is simply wrong/untrue?
I read Catcher in the Rye when I was 17 and loved it. I thought it was profound and moving and true and it changed me. Then I grew up.
Clearly you didn’t.
If the existence of the universe and everything in it is possible then so is God. Because existence is a miracle in its self..
In rhe movie Never Ending Story the boy while reading the book said " I'm in this book!" And he couldn't stop reading. The same happens when you read the Bible.
Nope - didn't happen to me. In fact, I was horrified by what I read in the OT.
"Moses instructed the soldiers to kill all women who had ever had sex with a man, and to keep the women and girls who were still virgins for themselves."
I just can't get enough!
Did you finish the book? Most people get stumped on the first books. Ask the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to you. I guarantee there is something special in the Bible, most miss it. All glory to God. He opened my eyes to understand. There is a special message in the Bible and it's for you.
@@GodSoLoved.Yeshua There’s certainly a lot of death and destruction in the OT. Have you read it? What is edifying about that?
@@DocnoXXX If one admits his or her sinful condition (total spiritual depravity) and reads the bible, they will discover that it is God's/Jesus Christ's love letter to all those who believe and are born of the Holy Spirit, born from above, born again. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
I don't agree with Dr. Peterson's politics, but I like that he is helping to bring common conversations in biblical criticism and academia into popular terms.
Interestingly, what brought me out of my atheist abyss was Jordan Petersons biblical lectures.
It might sound silly, but it's the best realization of my life.
Interesting. For me it was the realization of the existence of evil.
@@dmtaboo_truth7052you had to realize that?
What are you now? Christian? That's odd because Jordan Peterson is anti-Christian. He's a gnostic Satanist who speaks in an esoteric cryptofascist code. It is pretty ironic if someone who wants to be the AntiChrist convinced you to become a Christian. My bet is your beliefs were, and are, still very confused and ungrounded. You'll just believe the last authoritative voice you hear.
Me too! Thanks Jordan
@@dmtaboo_truth7052 Not sure what you mean? That because evil exists you can no longer be an atheist?
That sounds odd, I was generally not an evil person when I was an atheist, but I did view the world in a way that made me miserable. In fact I think I viewed the world as inherently more evil back then.
As a Harry Potter fun i can proof.
Fiction isn't false. 😂
Are u being sarcastic? Can’t tell tbh
Please speak english. Your sentence makes no sense. "As a Harry Potter fun?" What the heck does that even mean?
Wut
@@jm7720 clearly mean fan
It seems that I could understand and totally agree with all the points JP is popularizing including the fact that religion is the only way to go about with private/societal life and rightly so! It’s just that I could not just click a button and download faith in my brain! Faith and belief is hard work man!!
Nothing really rewarding ever comes easy.
Faith is a special gift from God. It's a funny thing that you don't generate faith yourself, yet you go to God in faith to ask for any at all faith or more than you already have. Just like loving Him requires Him to put the love in you. If you want to believe, that's the sprout of faith really trying to break the soil of your heart's garden and find some sunlight. He put it there. He intends for it to grow. Lean into it. He's knocking at your heart's door. Let Him in your heart's garden, and He'll turn that sprout of faith into a grove of mighty oaks, with roots so deep they find water in a desert. That's how you find real peace and solidarity in life. Those oaks don't grow overnight, though.
I'm just saying I'm sending this to two people.
It isn't work! It's about accepting a free gift of forgiveness, legally aquired by Christ through his death on the cross. He died in your place to rescue you from you fallen nature.
God is on a massive rescue mission to save people from his righteous wrath. God is righteous because he is holy, which is why he won't give anyone a free ride.
All the work has already been done 2000 years ago on that cross!
@@jaikee9477 Christ did not die. If he did, he wouldn’t have risen the next day to go to heaven. And he is coming back, right? And Christians don’t believe in reincarnation, so how is he dead? And dying as a martyr was actually his destiny, isn’t that right?
@@esa916 I am not familiar with Stoicism. what is it/
Here's a great question ❓. If Heaven and Hell the former being good and the later being evil, are places that predates Earth and Human experiences, what is Heaven and Hell or good and evil defind as before Earth or Human experiences? ( Our ideas and archetypes are describing places that supposedly existed before Human cognition correct? )
Hell is not as clear as described here. Heaven, well, that is God and the ability to be with him. The Bible does not say there has always been evil, and that there has always been a place where evil people went.
I got to ask JP this question at a speaking event, "When you see that the Bible is poetically significant, why then assume it must therefore be invented by poetic men, rather than reality itself having been invented by a poetic God?"
What did he say?
These don't seem at all mutually exclusive.
@michaelmicek I'm paraphrasing my question but he didn't take it super well and said he didn't assume anything. But he stayed silent for a few minutes after that and then thoughtfully began breaking down the idea of belief or something like that.
I wish I could find the recording. It was his speaking tour in Denver.
Dostoevsky never says we must believe the main characters are real or else we'll punished.
Because he understood grammar
(Matthew 25:35) For I was hungry you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger you invited me in (Refugees Migrants homeless) I needed clothes you clothed me, I was sick you looked after me, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine you did for me 🙏
Mythology has collective truth. That's why GRR Martin's twist on humanity's mythologies is so compelling. It's made me explore our histories and stories for 12 years...
...still going lol
"Facts don't care about your feelings" has morphed into "fiction is fact"
And they'll never see the irony
So true. They talk about feelings but omitt any facts
That's not the same thing at all. They're talking about the nature of parables and stories, the messages that they convey are truths, but the stories themselves aren't literal.
Awe what a cute little guy. Nice observation.
@@Vandalle. the problem with this take however is that most of the people who preach these parables believe and talk about their events as if they literally happened, not just that the messages are truths. And also while I can agree that these messages can shed light on the truths that exist within the general lives of people, they don't explain why someone who acts on their homosexuality deserves to go to hell among other things.
I believe... I believe them all. I can't wait to see him and say. "I believe" :) I just wanna hear him say "Well Done"
It would be funny to see fictions start claiming "true story" status, then non-fictions using "a real true story".
Fiction is a genre. A narrative, creative genre. Fiction can be false, depending on the intent. If the intent is to deceive, than it’s a lie. But for example, a futuristic dystopian movie, it’s by genre definition a fiction; however it may point to some universal truths. Therefore the fiction it’s not synonymous of falsehood or lie. It’s intent is not to lie; it’s intent is to create a story, a narrative.
A difficulty with the non-literal approach is the detailed genealogies and associated timespans, beginning directly with Adam and continuing to known history.
They’re definitely are difficulties with a non-literal approach. And there’s some difficulties with a literal approach. I’m glad that God does not spell it out too easily. It’s something that we have to go after and grapple with to find.
The DW should make JP read the adds instead of cutting to a pre-recorded clip.
I just want to hear his take on Ruffgreens.
It’s probably for the best, it would take an hour!
@@realcommoncourtesy Well, the devil is in the detail, you are not just feeding a dog, you have to consider what your dog represents, and that is nested in a structure of hierarchical values......
@@spindoctor6385 😂💯 well, it’s like, what exactly do you consider nutritious? Probably not the sub-optimal jumble of nonsensical ingredients that some reckless bloke threw haphazardly into the package, that you bought, cause what do you really know about dog food anyway, man?
Many people say the Bible is a fairy tale for weakminded people. And yet it still engages even most intelligent people looking at it from all angles and all backgrounds. If it was a fairy tale would it really still standing up to such analysis? Rhetorical question btw.
Because it’s not about intellect. That’s the great stumbling block of so many. It’s a truth that is way deeper than the levels of material thinking or even science. Now when you say that, you look like a fool because modern society has hoodwinked us into believing truth only comes from those things we can detect and measure. We should use our mind fully but truth and God is way bigger and deeper than anything in this dimension and the Bible penetrates into that truth in ways no other medium does. It’s utterly profound but only to those who have opened this connection with God. But it’s not channeling like some believe it’s actually a relationship with God like we are talking and listening now. We have to talk to God though and ask him and want to know him.. Most people won’t do that so that’s actually where the true issue is. And under that you reveal the true issue which is that we don’t want to know God because of our own pain (and sometimes ego)
@@joemac84 that's what I was getting at. I wanted people to think about this one level of it.
2nd Peter 1 20-21 "“Knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." ”2nd Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." 1 Thessalonians 2:13 "And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe ." Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." 1 Corinthians 2:13-14 "These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches.] But he who is spiritual judges all things…the things freely given us by God."
shh you cant tell people not to interpret,., they would have to kill their children then,
@TheEarthStoodStill No, scripture does not say that.
So if you see it once the image may fade ? If you hear it once your memory may fail over time ? Repeating through conscious repetition, reading a new each day ,to study the words and see the images they invoke will reinforce your original experience ? How to be is your own experience , being given guidance is not the only cause of realizing , internal inner understanding is the goal ? So that the result is human loveand respect for self and of all others !
JP is incredible in his analysis. ❤❤❤
I find it much more incredible that he can get rich in talking such utter bullshit to people.
😂 he's not incredible he literally just said it's fiction and it's true and then he said it's all patterns. That literally makes no sense the very start of it is just completely absurd
@@bikerrecumbent1064 whats wrong with what he said? or is it that you cannot rebuke any of his statements?
@@TheMasterPlayer-uo6ms It's nonsensical.
@@DontDrinkthatstuff I once again ask: whats wrong with what he said? or is it that you cannot rebuke any of his statements?
Anyone else excited that someone with his standing is even talking about this topic positively? Even if Jordan doesn't know God yet, I'm extremely happy that he's getting closer! Imagine what profound effect his faith could have on his followers, not to mention himself!
Lol "Lemme read Genesis to see if I should buy an iPhone."
If you did, you'd probably come to the conclusion that you should steer clear of the Apple. 😉
That is a tasty tasty comment.
You wouldn't because Genesis says nothing about apples.
@@onesimozondani5774 Everybody knows that, lad. You see, I am making a cheesy joke.
The more I learn about science, the stronger my belief in God becomes.
The Bible doesn't have stories; it has recounts of what happened from the beginning. The words were breathed from God to Moses (who wrote the first 5 Books of the Bible).
The term "story" provides the connotation of being a fallacy, which is not the case in the Bible. As believers in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, we can not pick and choose which aspects of the Bible are the word of God and which elements are stories. The Bible provides the genealogy of Adam and Eve to provide a historical record. Why would a story trying to explain the creation need this? What purpose or benefit does this serve besides providing a historical record?
The Bible is a historical record of creation and the hardships faced by his chosen people and the ultimate sacrifice paid by Christ, his only son, who was born, died, and ascended into heaven so we may have a chance at eternal life. The Bible guides us to achieving eternal life and what is to come for man.
Religion is mythology. Fiction. We can hear your mental illness and your comment. The remedy is to read more non-fiction. Your brain sounds broken.
Goodness me, what a busy troll!@@tyroneallen7857
Agree, Sola Scriptura.
@saliadee2564 thank you! As Christians, we are called to defend our faith and spread the good news. God bless.
@@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 🙂👍
Stories have the same beauty as music and sport
TRUE Core Christianity according to The New Testament: Love your neighbor as yourself. Pray for your enemies. Do not return evil with evil. Turn the other cheek. Get rid of anger. Never take revenge. Live peaceably with all. Love endures all things.
are you a Canadian?
should i remind you that, it also tells to "slaves obey your master, even the cruel ones"
it also tells my sexuality is an abomination of nature, it also tell you to NOT wear mix fabrics.
im sorry, but im not going to believe anything that tells me to "love" while also telling me to ignore, or cope, or twist wherever evil in it is, just so i can tell other people how to live and what to do and what to no.
no sorry, i need empiric evidence, and just so you know, i have no use to faith, faith is the more useless concept that humanity has
Dude is becoming delusional
Yes bible is true😊
Matthew 16 28
“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Only people with the HOLY SPIRIT can decern the Bible
So in other words, you can only be convinced the Bible is true if you already believe the Bible is true. @@carlmorgan8452
The Bible is NOT a mere myth. Not merely true in a literary sense. Not merely true in a Jungian Archetypal sense. Christ is “the myth made real”, as C.S. Lewis put it. Christ is both the best myth AND the most literal truth in the whole is the cosmos. Look to the place where the shadow of the cross rests on an empty tomb ❤️🙏
The message of the heart is very literal, the stories are allegorical. ❤ ❤❤
And the heart is a metaphor. Right?
@@tornay131 yes, for the soul-spirit...conscious....❤️
@@sueanderson4523 that's easy to confuse with the blood pumping one.
"Messages of the heart" is figurative, so there's that.
It's about our heart, spirit. The stories show the darkness of our heart and the light of our heart. And our struggles with that. We have a clue right away, in Genesis, snakes don't talk. It's really a most beautiful allegory of hope for all of God's chosen, which means every single one of us ❤
What The Christians Tend To Miss is that not all Atheists are that simple minded.
....when it comes down to it, I don't care what Christians think. If anything, you have to have a certain mindset to be a Christian, indeed simple even. I like the saying that goes....'it is good to be born into a church, it is not good to die in one'.
How so?
@@R4Clover7 Literate atheists know what allegory is and how to read a book in its proper genre.
@lucasp4223 What about the books that use historical and poetry?
I’ve lived a life knowing countless Christians of all types and I would say it’s a massive minority that think atheists are simple minded. I think they tend more towards sing atheists as people who will only move out on or believe in what can be distilled down to fit into our puny brains.
I understand. But Shakespeare is NOT Jesus…👀💯
Totally on your side Dr. 👌It has inmesurable deep meaning when we percieve ourselves as the saviour we can be
Fiction is truth? Thats all I needed to hear.
Ah yes the old "what even is truth?" argument.
_TRUTH_ 🤔💭💡 is an *opinion* _agreed upon_ by three or more people, as opposed to _ACTS DONE_ , aka FACTS ✅ within _REALITY_ 🧐 instead of a _dreamworld..._
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Well, what is it?
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You think he’s making an argument, you’re projecting your own inner argumentative frame onto him
You deal in the world of arguments, as if you can be convinced or disproven
You must dwell in debate, as if you don’t already know the truth
Truth is Most Obvious
But your ego seemingly prevents you from seeing it
@@jacksonelmore6227 6 × 7=
It’s Gods word, bottom line.
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That book was written long before factual knowledge. It belongs in the fiction section at Chapters. Believing in your fellow human is something to be found in the true story section.
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
Long before factual knowledge? That’s a strange claim. Like the people in genesis had no factual knowledge? What a bizarre claim. The most cutting edge evidence is that Moses actually wrote the book, and he certainly had some serious factual knowledge.
If you ask any person from every single religion that exists, they will tell you that their religion is the only real one; that their religion is the only Truth and very often times will to convince you to join them.
Which is why one must have a way to test the religions against each other, as we do with any competing claims we encounter in life. Christianity actively invites such tests, as it claims to be a faith based in physical, historical evidence. Paul specifically stated that the truth of Christianity depends on whether or not Christ physically, literally rose from the dead or not. If Jesus literally rose from the dead, this validates the things He claimed. Among those claims is that He is the sole path to the Father and eternal life.
Also, it's possible to view some religions as more correct than others.
Every religion that posits the existence of a spirit is more correct than atheism.
Monotheism is more correct than monism or polytheism.
Christianity is more correct than Islam.
The stories are all literally true and meta true - they were axiomatic and archetypal
Literally true? There was a talking snake? Did Noah really built a boat for ALL animals on earth? Did Jonah chilled 3 ffucking days in the belly of the fish without suffocating or being digested? REALLY?
But did the stories happen the way they're told?
What bible? The one that the church (with a history of +2000 Years old) compiled or the one Luther mutiled because its writings went against his "solas"?
Or the Jewish scriptures?
Or the Islamic version?
They're basically all iterations of the same manuscripts, re-written over the centuries.
sumerian,babylonian and akkadin tablets was the blue print for the abrahamic faiths
Jewish, Islam and Christianity have different core beliefs.
Only 1 is right, follow the evidence. ✝️
@@GodSoLoved.Yeshua Everything you said is untrue.
All three religions are based on the same stories and in fact they are directly derived from one another, so your first statement is obviously false.
"Only 1 is right" is also false, because it is quite obvious to anyone who is not a magical dogmatic thinker, that all three of these beliefs are just stories, told by people to other people, mainly to explain life and death and to bestow them with morality.
Jewish do not believe Jesus is God.
Islam does not believe Jesus died on the cross.
Christianity believes Jesus is God and died by crucifixion.
They can't all be true and they are opposing one another. Again, only 1 can be right.
Just as a computer has BIOS/UEFI default settings, so does the human brain. Our default setting for interpretation of anything is literal. And that remains the setting unless there is sufficient reason to believe that the meaning is not literal. If I told you, “Let’s go to Texas Roadhouse for lunch”, by default you would interpret that literally, because there is nothing to suggest that the meaning is figurative.
I think you make a good point. What reason do we have to think that the account of creation isn't literal; it isn't poetic. There are other poetic books in the Bible like psalms.
And the reason he gave for Moses writing what He did is because the other nations worshiped different gods? Why then are their instances in Moses's other writings where the Israelites are grumbling against and disobeying the god they made up and Moses is angry with them?
If there's one thing Jordan sucks at. It's understanding the perspective of atheists.
Nothing exploded and made everything
Babble
Jordan Peterson lost his way a long time ago.
He says so much without saying anything... "so true it applies to everyone always.." Wow. I literally laughed aloud.
I think you're not understanding anything, brother. That's different from "him not saying anything". We can see or hear not only what we want but what we can. I think hope is a kind of prayer, so I pray for you to never stop gaining wisdom and to keep youself in the righteous way, brother.
After his addiction and treatment he didn't come back whole, you can notice his manic behavior and poor emotional control, also the ramblings. Compare it to his old conferences and professor days.
The goalposts have been moved so far that they've traveled the planet's circumference and are now back where they started
The problem is that even though you may not take the religious stories to have literally happened, a lot of religious people DO and what you believe absolutely shapes someone’s behavior and what they do with that information. If you believe that there is an actual God that exists that wants you to smite unbelievers, then it can make you do evil things because of that. THAT is what we are concerned about
Please read Gospel according to John and come to your own conclusions if there is or there is no God.
Oh no killing Evil in the world is so bad 😢. You stupid asses just say this because you want “Everyone to get along” not realizing that’s literally impossible wether you believe in creation or not.
But the stories of the Bible are literally true. Besides the parables that are told. They are true. It’s not a book of metaphors or hyperbole. It’s is an account of what happened. And historical documentation back up the Bible beyond any doubt. There is more historical reference for this boom than anything else that exists.
The belief that the stories of the Bible are literally true, not just metaphorical or hyperbolic, is a perspective held by many individuals and religious communities. However, it's important to note that interpretations of religious texts, including the Bible, can vary widely among different religious traditions and denominations. While some people take a literalist approach to the Bible, others interpret it allegorically, symbolically, or metaphorically.
The claim that historical documentation backs up the Bible beyond any doubt is a perspective that aligns with the faith-based belief in the historical accuracy of the Bible. It's true that certain events and places mentioned in the Bible have been supported by archaeological and historical evidence. However, the interpretation of these findings can be complex and may not always align with a strict literalist interpretation of the Bible.
Historians, archaeologists, and scholars often approach ancient texts and artifacts with a critical and evidence-based methodology. While some events in the Bible have been corroborated by historical and archaeological discoveries, other events remain a matter of faith and interpretation.
The diversity of interpretations and beliefs surrounding the Bible highlights the complexity of religious and historical understanding. It's essential to approach discussions about religious texts with respect for different perspectives and engage in open dialogue to foster understanding among individuals with varying beliefs.
It does have incredible historical evidence. Most people are not aware of the most cutting edge and newest archaeological finds.
@DRAGONFLY101virgin? Where do you get that? But yes, the unique book of the revelation flips the golden rule of interpretation upside down.
I’m not interested in a subjective truth. Believing in something because it makes you feel good is silly. This is a huge blind spot for Jordan. He rails against a lot of the lunacy on the left with their subjective truths, but it absolutely OK with religion…
As a Conservative atheist, I can mock the Right and their religious lunacy and mock the Left with their lunacy on almost everything including religion. It’s a great world I live in.😊
There is objective truth in the biblical narrative.
Thank you very much for putting science and the bible in perspective
But it didn't. It made disingenuous points. The bible is meant to be the word of God. If you can't believe 'in the beginning', why believe any of it?
So does Jordan Peterson believe the sun orbits the earth I always thought him odd but also reasonably intelligent It's absolutely ludicrous to believe a being could create everything by uttering let there be ?
It's absolutely ludicrous to believe a nothing could create everything, now share with us, how did you come to the conclusion that Peterson thinks the sun orbits the earth ? He does not believe in Zeus as far as I know. Fides et ratio goes well together.
@@zbuchus If you ever get round to reading the bible the description is that of the Sun orbiting the Earth you know the sun rises and the sun sets and hastens back to where it rises so if you preach that the bible is right then yes you believe this and that everything came from nothing, two people could start the human race, oh yes and there was a world wide flood flood mind you it was the second one as the Sumerians had one a few hundred years earlier but Atra Hasis built the ark for that one.
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so you read the Bible and did not get the message. When someone will say "get lost" you think he acctually wants you to be lost ? You still did not convience me in believing that nothing created everything and how this belief system is more rational for an inteligent person like you.
@@zbuchus The fact that you can read a message into a bunch of bronze age myths says a lot about you. Why should I try to convince you that everything came from nothing that is the theist's belief I prefer science at least it aims for the truth!
@@truthgiver8286
The inteligence is ability to read a message from all the sources and seek the truth.
Religion works when there's an absence of gods.
What does this mean?
Jordan Peters on is a gifted 'thinker'! Many of the Greek myths and legends have their roots based in the powerful recorded truth events in the bible.
Therefore, it is so incredible that those who seek an opportunity to criticise and mock the bible are ironically doing so on the basis of themselves having FIRST BELIEVED the 'myth' to be merely fictional.
I will just point out here that the oral tradition of Greek myths is older than the Hebrew Bible. I would also like to point out the remarkable similarities between Greek myths and Bible stories. No doubt the latter borrowed heavily from the former.
Do with that truth what you will.
13 minutes of saying absolutely nothing
He is a professional yapper 🗣️ 📢
I can’t imagine a reason for such a nonsense comment. It’s not only an admission of willful ignorance but borderline psychotic.