Finally got my Iceman review out so I could watch this without being influenced! We have some views that are very different, and some that kinda line up. I love this video though and I think the instructive nature of some parts, how you explain how his mechanics work in more detail than me, is fantastic. The biggest difference is probably how we view him with Perfect Defense because...I actually don't like it haha! Surprise. He's good at hitting those triggers though but being defensive in combination with his expensive and - in my opinion - slightly overpriced cards, it's just a slow defensive playstyle on top of a slow defensive hero and uhhh... I wanna go faster! I think you've also given heavier weight to going alter-ego and shuffling Ice cards back in and not basic attacking minions, where I've especially favoured readying for him. Unfortunately for you, I think 'Pool has been really good for the last few heroes and I absolutely love it for Iceman. Healing Factor combined with Frostbites keeps him ultra-healthy - which keeps the triple resources online for Bobby's expensive cards. The icing on the cake is Stick-To-Itiveness which is a near-guaranteed ready every turn, meaning more and consistent Frostbite goodness. Oh, and I like making Snow Clones angry with Get Rage-y. But we're agreed on Leadership being most powerful!
That was an ice summary of a pretty fun hero! I have chilled out a bit after receiving and playing him, but overall he's going to hit the table a fair bit I think.
I've played him quite a bit, including the expert Age of Apocalypse campaign -- mostly in Leadership but also some one-offs in Protection. The more I play him...the more I think he drifts toward the lower end of B or even high C. Frostbite is a fun trick but if his build falters and you get stuck with a couple expensive hands for whatever reason, he seems to get stuck and thwarts out. Maybe Justice is the answer. Anyway, excellent review!
Awesome review! Initially I thought Justice would be his best aspect because of his low thwarting ability, but I agree with your ranking it was very lackluster. Keep up the great content!
Artic Attack is quite impressive! A 2 cost event (1 if Deft is in play) with these options is crazy. I won with this card. My first play with Bobby was today. As Nelson mentions, Ice Man is so good at threat management in solo.
It might just be my luck, unus being a strong first villain on expert or my lines of play being shit but i just haven't had success with iceman. He has bad thawrt control, and kit seems to slow with how expensive it is. Seems stronger in multiplayer.
Hey quick question about Iceman's Wall.Whats the timing on the force interupt between Iceman's Freeze and then the on on his wall does that other frost bite get discarded or stay on the attacker?
The frostbite that is added via his freeze (like if he basic defended) would go away - the one added from Ice Wall breaking would stay! Hope that helps!
If you look his kit and nothing else his is a B tier for sure, but if you account all the cards that can enable him and his style I think he is in A. Someone might say that the same core X-men cards compliment all X-men heroes. True to a point. Bobby capitalizes on the X-men cards more than others, being able to provide with them a form of control no other X-men character can so far ( especially to Steady/Stalwart villains). His true downside in his kit is the high cost. If you manage to overcome that in the first 3-5 rounds nothing can actually threaten him
Great review! I’m really a big fan of Ice Man. We got to get Aggression Ice Man and Protection Cyclops to the table the other day and just being able to constantly have an upgrade out attached to whatever enemy we needed was phenomenal. Also really enjoyed getting to see your Protection Ice Man do work Sunday! Hopefully next time we play there won’t be hurricane winds trying to destroy my house with trees lol. -Josh
Will have to try protection again. Haven't tried leadership yet but you just made me realise how to use green better! I chucked most of his pre built deck into cyclops and that was craaazy to team then up together
Iceman. The more I’ve played him and played around with different deck styles with him, I think he really is ok. He has some power, and can potentially get enough frostbites to make the villain get a de buff to 0 if whatever activation. Being able to affect multiple enemies is really nice, and that ice wall can also save the table for a round.
how many cards does a generator have to hit to be worth putting in? e.g. X-Gene can target 7 Iceman cards. This is before considering Bobby can shuffle his events back in.
Great analysis! I would consider using confuse-lock builds with Iceman. It allows him to really build up those Frostbites. In addition, it allows Frozen Solid to stay on the Villain because the Villain doesn't activate due to the Confuse Status, which takes priority over the Forced Interrupt. That allows the Frozen Solid to then stay in play when changing back to hero form. I found this to easily be one of my favorite builds.
IMO his tier level varies depending on the difficulty of the villain. If playing against the easier villains in expert or just standard difficulty, I agree with him being B tier. But against the hardest ones in expert, I think he easily is in the upper side of A tier. You simple don't care against stalwart, and often times Ronan or Venom goblin ends up hitting you like Red Skull
Finally got my Iceman review out so I could watch this without being influenced! We have some views that are very different, and some that kinda line up. I love this video though and I think the instructive nature of some parts, how you explain how his mechanics work in more detail than me, is fantastic.
The biggest difference is probably how we view him with Perfect Defense because...I actually don't like it haha! Surprise. He's good at hitting those triggers though but being defensive in combination with his expensive and - in my opinion - slightly overpriced cards, it's just a slow defensive playstyle on top of a slow defensive hero and uhhh... I wanna go faster!
I think you've also given heavier weight to going alter-ego and shuffling Ice cards back in and not basic attacking minions, where I've especially favoured readying for him.
Unfortunately for you, I think 'Pool has been really good for the last few heroes and I absolutely love it for Iceman. Healing Factor combined with Frostbites keeps him ultra-healthy - which keeps the triple resources online for Bobby's expensive cards. The icing on the cake is Stick-To-Itiveness which is a near-guaranteed ready every turn, meaning more and consistent Frostbite goodness. Oh, and I like making Snow Clones angry with Get Rage-y. But we're agreed on Leadership being most powerful!
That was an ice summary of a pretty fun hero! I have chilled out a bit after receiving and playing him, but overall he's going to hit the table a fair bit I think.
I've played him quite a bit, including the expert Age of Apocalypse campaign -- mostly in Leadership but also some one-offs in Protection. The more I play him...the more I think he drifts toward the lower end of B or even high C. Frostbite is a fun trick but if his build falters and you get stuck with a couple expensive hands for whatever reason, he seems to get stuck and thwarts out. Maybe Justice is the answer. Anyway, excellent review!
Interesting, is this true solo or multiplayer? In leadership I like using allies to cover all my thwarting needs
Interesting indeed, I'm having the exact opposite reaction the more I play him. Specially against expert Magneto Ronan or VGoblin
Awesome review! Initially I thought Justice would be his best aspect because of his low thwarting ability, but I agree with your ranking it was very lackluster. Keep up the great content!
Artic Attack is quite impressive! A 2 cost event (1 if Deft is in play) with these options is crazy.
I won with this card. My first play with Bobby was today.
As Nelson mentions, Ice Man is so good at threat management in solo.
It might just be my luck, unus being a strong first villain on expert or my lines of play being shit but i just haven't had success with iceman. He has bad thawrt control, and kit seems to slow with how expensive it is. Seems stronger in multiplayer.
Something about being naked while wearing boots makes you 2x more naked.
nICE!! :D
I found funny detail in the video, your tshirt has Iceman only wearing boots, while the cards have him only wearing short pants
Hey quick question about Iceman's Wall.Whats the timing on the force interupt between Iceman's Freeze and then the on on his wall does that other frost bite get discarded or stay on the attacker?
The frostbite that is added via his freeze (like if he basic defended) would go away - the one added from Ice Wall breaking would stay! Hope that helps!
it did thank you!!!
Everytime Nelson goes "We have some really really COOL"... We know, my man, we know.
😂
I'd love to see an "original X-Men" multiplayer table. Cyclops, Angel, Iceman Phoenix.... That'd be so cool!
That would be awesome!
@@NelsonAllOverCards 🤔
Step into the Portal did it a couple of weeks ago.
Then everyone with a copy of the beast ally!
If you look his kit and nothing else his is a B tier for sure, but if you account all the cards that can enable him and his style I think he is in A. Someone might say that the same core X-men cards compliment all X-men heroes. True to a point. Bobby capitalizes on the X-men cards more than others, being able to provide with them a form of control no other X-men character can so far ( especially to Steady/Stalwart villains). His true downside in his kit is the high cost. If you manage to overcome that in the first 3-5 rounds nothing can actually threaten him
Great review!
I’m really a big fan of Ice Man. We got to get Aggression Ice Man and Protection Cyclops to the table the other day and just being able to constantly have an upgrade out attached to whatever enemy we needed was phenomenal. Also really enjoyed getting to see your Protection Ice Man do work Sunday! Hopefully next time we play there won’t be hurricane winds trying to destroy my house with trees lol.
-Josh
Will have to try protection again. Haven't tried leadership yet but you just made me realise how to use green better! I chucked most of his pre built deck into cyclops and that was craaazy to team then up together
Yea Cyclops loves the new cards! And good luck with Green!!
Iceman. The more I’ve played him and played around with different deck styles with him, I think he really is ok. He has some power, and can potentially get enough frostbites to make the villain get a de buff to 0 if whatever activation. Being able to affect multiple enemies is really nice, and that ice wall can also save the table for a round.
Just got Iceman today and played it twice! It is a blast! Thanks for the breakdowns of the cards and aspects. Love your channel!
Thanks. I am gonna use your "Ice to meet you all" build for full multiplayer "Age of Apocalypse" campaign :)
Where does Pool aspect rank here? =D
It can be effective! I like the triples and the readying it provides!
I would have liked to see an ice slide card of some kind
There is! I discuss it at this point in the video: ruclips.net/video/s3RtrCbTTgY/видео.htmlsi=_F-5GYp9rtl1YW5L&t=273
Is there a link to your tier list ? I can quite make out where some of the heroes are
This wave is looking really good for protection players
how many cards does a generator have to hit to be worth putting in? e.g. X-Gene can target 7 Iceman cards. This is before considering Bobby can shuffle his events back in.
Wow 3 puns in 4 seconds to start off the video
This pack has reinvigorated Valkyrie.
It’s got some excellent cards for her!
Yeah, based on who you have in B tier, I can see it. A tier has become quite competitive these days.
Yea we have some really awesome heroes these days!
Great analysis! I would consider using confuse-lock builds with Iceman. It allows him to really build up those Frostbites. In addition, it allows Frozen Solid to stay on the Villain because the Villain doesn't activate due to the Confuse Status, which takes priority over the Forced Interrupt. That allows the Frozen Solid to then stay in play when changing back to hero form. I found this to easily be one of my favorite builds.
Do we have a Deft Focus X-Men variant yet?
I’m keeping my fingers crossed that we get one with Nightcrawler!
I haven't seen anyone using Limitless Stamina. His upgrade with +3HP makes this almost automatic for me.
Cant use limitless Stamina on him. Its limited to 14 hp "printed" stat on the hero card.
Because he can't use it
@nicolasarevalo6024 Thanks, I thought I had double-checked that.
IMO his tier level varies depending on the difficulty of the villain. If playing against the easier villains in expert or just standard difficulty, I agree with him being B tier. But against the hardest ones in expert, I think he easily is in the upper side of A tier. You simple don't care against stalwart, and often times Ronan or Venom goblin ends up hitting you like Red Skull