Does the Ford F-150 Lightning kinda suck? | Unfortunate news about Ford's Electric Truck
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- Опубликовано: 6 дек 2022
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Winter range loss, 12V batteries losing power, Charging stations ruining trucks... is the ford f150 lightning actually a disaster?
It has been a long road of ups and downs surrounding the ford f-150 lightning.
Today I want to look at all the new surrounding ford's electric truck and decide if this truck might be a huge failure.
Mostly we will look into how ford handled the news of their winter performance and other key issues around the truck.
Plus there has been news of trucks being bricked.
Sources:
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I am seeing 10% loss at most. I already have 11000 miles and getting 2.3 miles per kilowatt. GREAT TRUCK!!!
That is awesome! Glad to hear that. Not enough folks are sharing their success stories!
I get range loss in my gas F 150 too when you start it & let it run for 15 min to warm up 2-4x a day except most people only look at the E-F gauge & don’t do the mpg math. It’s really only bc now people are being told the miles that anxiety is setting in whereas if I filled my 20 gallons at 17mpg I’ll have 340 but after idling to warm up I might only have 280-300 OMG WINTER RANGE LOSS 🥶 I’m sure ford will have warmers soon
Elon is probably chuckling at ford, that’s why I cringe when I see ford taking shots at him
@@larryl good news doesn't get clicks.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you're losing more.
what area / what kind of cooler weather and driving are using this for? I haven't seen enough good things to order mine yet. I am keeping my reservation, just haven't ordered it.
Dude, sorry to bust your bubble, but my warm rump and hands and smooooth ride says I love my truck here in coooold Wisconsin. So you gotta charge more. Who cares? I used to hate going to smelly gas stations. In my Lightning, I get to charge at work or home. Or on the road, take a relaxing charger break. This truck is awesome- quiet, smooth, and crazy fast when you need it. And great to haul stuff in.
I cancelled my Lightning order. After they raised the price in order to suck the government incentive money out of consumer pockets into Ford’s, I decided I could get a BMW X5 plug-in hybrid for the same money as a XLT Lightning. My average daily mileage is under 40 miles and I’ve used 2 gallons of gas in the 7 weeks I’ve owned the BMW. No range anxiety, no dealing with sketchy EV infrastructure, no towing range problems (BMW tows 7,200 lbs). Better fit for me.
I agree. Was planning on getting a platinum but ford increased price by 8k and government got rid of rebate...thats a 15k swing. I may just drive my 2016 f150 king ranch which I love until forced to switch or until the playing field levels
6.2k with 2.5kw avg. I live in Louisiana, so weather does not get super cold. Please do your research before you spend 80k on the vehicle. Also, I havent spent a single dime on my engergy...free fast charger, and my dealer has free charging. I. I'm totally happy if my truck it works for me. Summary I have saved almost 2k
I got my Lightning on Black Friday SR battery. I'm in the Detroit area, Larry. I know it's early but I have not seen that great of a range loss .........average commute is 100 miles round trip is 2.1 kilowatt. Did have a business meeting in Lansing and got a 1.8 average. My Lariat is park outside will not fit in the garage. Can't wait the range in January and February in Michigan but not much range loss so far......
Could you place a heating mat below the truck in the garage to help with cold weather efficiency? Thanks for all the great info and content on the Lightning...
Picking up my 2023 Lightning Pro on Monday. Ford honored the 2022 pricing on it. Been waiting 20 months.
That 50% range reduction is not true Larry. It's been 30F to 45F here in NY since I got my Pro. My mile/kwh has consistently stayed 1.9-2.1 with 70/30 highway/city commute. Which is consistent with the 213 range it shows at 95% state of charge. I'm not even preconditioning.
Thanks for another great video Larry, I'm Mike from California, but not the one that won the Charger, bummer. I was a lucky one to get a 22 XLT SR and so far I love it. Its basically a commuter for work and a family vehicle. My work is a 66 mile round trip and has free charging, kinda the perfect use case. I only have to charge once a week on my own dime if we are just commuting and normal errand runs. I got it in August and already have 10k miles on it.
Where I live in the Central Coast of California winter milage doesn't affect me as much and we know this isn't our travel car. My wife specifically drives a Yukon XL to tote around our family of 5 on any range that the Lightining won't make.
The winter range issue is overblown. Hoovie purposefully did everything that Ford said not to do just to make a video.
Hoovies a clickbait machine.
Hoovie also doesn't like electric vehicles. There's an agenda at play with his videos.
No it's not. I know 2 people with them in Canada and they're range is crap. They're not happy with the Lightning at all.
30F is not cold. It is -30C here for 3-4 months a year
@@evictioncarpentry2628 Well then best do what Ford suggests instead of everything opposite like Hoovie.
Hoovie is a 🧌
Pro owner here..the gas F150 uses a lot of fuel, and the EV F150 uses a lot of juice. It’s a big heavy truck! Definitely have to adjust expectations going into it and be strategic about charging. Paradigm shift, and so far an awesome truck, love it. Thanks Larry appreciate the content ✌️
I'm saving a LOT of gas money, no complaints, good first try Ford.
I can only speak to how I use my truck. I commute 80 miles a day plus another 20 or so if we go to dinner/ grocery store. My range was dipping to 160 miles at 90% charge which gave me plenty of cushion. On the weekends is when I pull my boat or trailer, usually within 30 miles or so and range has never been an issue, and that’s during colder months. If you live in the rural North and tow trailers, you won’t be happy. Everybody else, best value going in trucks
Get the MCU2 upgrade on the model x. They quoted me at $2500. Then only cost $1500 in the end. Especially if yours has unlimited connectivity. I have a 2018 and the Internet was 100% completely useless when I first got it within two weeks I upgraded. We as a family started our tesla life out with a 2018 model 3. My opinion should be the Tesla standard for thinking of how an EV should be. Everyone should be educated on one pedal driving.
I’ve said this comment on other channels and it’s so true. Ford rushed the lightning to market to the be first out of GM / dodge and themselves. Now they are paying the price. Well actually the LOYAL consumers who have been with ford forever are paying the price. And you’re correct. The value on these ones will plummet when the newer redesign comes out. Because Ford will have to make this right. No heat pump? Like come on. They tried their own solution to it and it failed miserable. It’s a real shame. The main bones of the truck are great. Awesome power, frunk is massive and super useful. Pro power on board. But to pay $90,000+ to get such low range AND power in the winter is not right. No one is talking about this point!!! When the batteries are cold you loose tons of horse power!!! A friend of mine had his battery sitting at “79% or useable power”. I’m pretty sure the max horsepower is 580 so losing 21% is 122 horsepower you’re losing. So now you’re down to 460 horsepower of useable power. That’s just not right. Gm / Chevy and dodge played this smart. They took there time. They are both building a Ev truck from the ground up. Ford made a 80% new Ev. But your seeing the results, and unfortunately it’s bad. People who have one are going to defend there purchase most of the time. It’s just reality. But the facts are the facts. It’s a bad vehicle for colder climates. Period
50% range reduction is an exaggeration. I have a SR, charge to 90% every night, have 144 to 160 miles range in our Minnesota winter. So a 30% range loss. I'm not planning to tow something up to lake of the woods with the truck, but it's a great daily driver.
Thanks for sharing. This is what I was thinking based on my experience with an EV. This could be the deal breaker for me.
Is your range estimate after the truck has charged in a milder temp garage or after it's sat outside, unplugged?
It's what I've always seen. And, for what it's worth, I got the truck in November right when the weather turned so it's not really ever been driven at ideal temps.
I live in the Great White North and only notice an approx. 25% range loss in the cold weather average -5C. temperature.
I have a Standard Range, there are a lot of people who are going to the extreme to make it look like their range is tanking.
In freezing weather I lose about the same as my Mach E, just charge overnight and pre condition and you are fine. The truck isn’t perfect but it’s a great truck, excited to see where it will be in 5-10 years.
Be realistic on your daily mileage and make an educated choice. Most people do not need 220 miles a day but some do, if that is you, then an it’s not time for you to get an EV. If you tow longer distances then it’s also not for you, but if you are towing 10k pounds more than 100 miles often then you need a bigger truck anyway.
My lariat extended range shows 250 miles of range in 9 degree Fahrenheit weather. Hooked up to me trailer with a can am x3 loaded on it, 150 miles. I expect this to get better in warm weather. Best feature of the lightning is the fun factor! Driving this truck is such a fun experience!
I got delivery last week on 2022 F150 lighting platinum $93k. Test drove it and was very disappointed low quality interior and loud road and motor noise bad handling. I had them refund my deposit.
Northern Michigan Pro owner here. I have not seen anywhere near the winter range loss others are reporting. Got my truck around September 1st and with my daily driving while the weather was warm I was getting around 2.1 to 2.2 mi/kw. Since November 15th or so when temps dropped, I've been hovering between 1.8 and 1.9. That's like 215 miles of range down to 175. So a slight drop of 18%, totally within expectations. Also, there's snow and mud on my roads, so that's got to be considered as well.
I am going to say this as a side note. Approx. 75% of the people in the US that but full sized trucks, use and work them as trucks. The rest of the people are mall crawling or buy midsized trucks as a lifestyle vehicle. The F150 has been such a strong seller for so long due to it's adaptability and usability. The 1/2 ton Chevy Silverado is neck and neck with it.
If you go out on any jobsite there will be full sized trucks of at least a 1/2 ton rating.
Trucks being used for grounds keeping, service, parts and material delivery, towing, you name it.
None of these businesses are going to be happy with a truck with an average 100 mile range or less in the winter let alone try and tow even light loads any distance.
I am in the service industry and all of our trucks are 3/4 or 1 ton heavy duty trucks and up.
Our delivery and runner trucks are midsized and 1/2 ton trucks for fuel economy.
We don't make money when the trucks are standing still or refueling or recharging.
That is why the majority of EV truck sales are not by people who use them for what trucks are built to do.
Also a 4 or 5 foot box is useless to us.
My truck went into production the week of November 7th, but it got tossed off to the side on a ramp graveyard waiting on a chip. I had this on order since MY22, so since I was going to lose out on the EV tax credit due to all the unexplained delays, I asked for a refund of my deposits and told them they can have that already ageing truck once it decides to arrive. I feel so much relieved now and can sleep better at night knowing I averted a huge financial mistake. The competition is just a short year away from making the Lightning a huge flop in the EV world.
Mine is a 2022 Lariat with ER battery and I am still enamored with it! It’s my first foray into the EV ecosystem and I’m hooked! Now not only do I not use it for work, I actually work from home so it’s mostly for pleasure and errands and stuff. I am moving from NJ to FL soon, so I’m looking forward to taking a long trip with it. I originally got it to use for the home back up power feature but that install is on hold until I get to FL. Most of the time I’m using level 1 charging here at home and that’s working for me. When I do get really low after a big trip or a lot of usage, I hit up a local EA for some DCFC to get me up to 80% and then I will plug in to 110 at home. I know mine isn’t a normal use case but it’s my reality. Now if they would make an EV EcoSport for my other half! Ford4Life!
Kinda sounds like me. But I charge with fords mobile charger on 240 volt. Since you have an extended range battery you should also be receiving the 80 amp 240 volt pro charger from Sunrun. Which can be adjusted to charge anywhere from 20 amps to 80 amps which is really cool . These are made for short commutes & home charging. When you go on your trip be prepared to wait on charging, paying high kwh prices and possible range anxiety. But if you aren't in a hurry to get to where you're going you should be fine.
I’m struggling with the same dilemma. Ford has forced us to choose between the tax credit and the extended range battery.
My EV has about a 25% range loss in the cold weather. Which means I’m only getting around 200 miles. It’s not enough. And that’s not much less than the standard range F-150 in the summer. In the winter the truck would get about 150-160 miles with the same 25% loss. That would really be difficult to deal with. You could only make 60-70 mile round trips.
So I’ve been wondering if I purchase a standard range F-150 Lariat is there still enough demand to flip it for the original MSRP + sales tax?
Maybe you could do a video on what the demand looks like now that prices have gone up and the economy is tanking.
Thanks!
Gas prices are currently way low in my area under $3. I don't expect that to last, in fact gas prices could soar as high as $10/gal. Everyone that asks me if it's cheaper to drive then gas. So many variables involve to answer that question. Driving habits, do you charge at home, what speed roads do you drive, city, highway, or interstate, are you able to keep your foot out of the accelerator. I tell them as long as you use it locally (55mph roads & city) , you charge at home you can get great mileage range at lower costs than ICE vehicles. But if you have long commutes or do a lot of traveling or long distance towing and public charging, these EV'S aren't for you. Expect tower and cold weather range drops. I love my lightning, I expect the absolute most I'll be paying to drive a mile will be about
7.5 cents. $7.50 to drive 100 miles is great. So say gas prices dropped all the way down to$2.50/gal that would still be 33 mpge for nearly a 7000 lb vehicle.
I agree, it’s definitely poor optics for Ford with pushing everyone to the higher trims and then raising the prices 8k. My order is in transit and I most likely won’t take order of it because it’s now much more expensive than the Rivian order I have that should arrive in the next few months, so I’ll probably wait for that if finances allow. It really meant a lot when Rivian grandfathered existing order holders into the old price. I’ve had my order with Ford longer and they didn’t afford me the same treatment.
100% agree. FORD should have grandfathered us in to the price at time of reservation like rivian did. my rivian order is starting to look good compared to the ford bait and switch policy.
@@captcory well ford did the same thing to rivian when they invested into rivian then dumps them to release there own ev truck I think it rivians way of a jab back at ford by taking some of there reservation holders
I was fortunate to get a lightning platinum mannequin at MSRP. I had to wait 6 months to take possession of it. I believe people that ordered these EV'S did do much research on them. If I leave my lightning plugged in all night it must keep the battery warm & only charge to 80%. I haven't seen any significant range drop yet at 23 degrees. I realize that's not near as the below zero temperatures that I see frequently in my area. Anyone that understands what cold does to lithium batteries. My daily drives are about 60 miles, I knew I'd never take my lightning on a trip because I've never planned on ever paying $.31-$.43 per kwh, just ridiculous. I think people are finally realizing these vehicles aren't suited for long distance traveling. To be honest because of the reason I bought my lightning I wouldn't care if my range went all the way down to 1 mile per kwh, I'd still have more range than I'll ever need and at 1/mpk in winter I'd still be getting 100 miles for about $7.50. That's hard to beat for anyone driving nearly a 7000 lb vehicle.
I took delivery of a lariat with extended range battery October 2nd and I live in New York I charge to 80% overnight and have never charged the truck anywhere but my house we had a very mild fall and I would start the day with a estimated 270 miles of range it is now Dec 10th and it was 34 degrees this morning and I started today at 80% with a estimated range of 215. I have been averaging 2.2 miles per kw hr . I use the heat as I would any other car and sit idle for long periods occasionally. I love everything about the truck but I tell anyone who asks that it is not for everyone. I rarely drive more than 15 miles a day and never tow.
I have the lariat with the standard range, I was going to get the extended range but for 99% of the time it’s not an issue. I have done a road trip driving about 3.5 hours each way and had to stop and charge once each way. I use the truck for work and light towing around the oyster farm. I live in Mass and usually keep the truck charged to about 80 percent. I will be curious to see how it does this winter! However I haven’t noticed a big range loss even on the colder days, maybe about 15 %. Keep your order! You won’t regret it!
Love the vids
I use it for work 5 days a week, 2022 Lariat, I'm easily getting 150 miles with 50mi range left, in Albuquerque, 20 to 40deg weather. I'm not seeing these problems.
Attention Ford Australia- cold weather range reduction won’t mean shit here. Bring it on.
I believe the reason they don't want to sell Pros is because they were probably losing money on every one.
Yeah you're probably right!
TFLEV recently put up a video on cold weather range loss in response to Hoovies video on his cold weather experience with the Lightning. They also bust a couple myths.
I was a day one reservation holder for the Lightning but Ford's pricing shenanigans got me to cancel. Meanwhile, I had ordered a Rivian R1T in Oct' 2021 and took delivery of it last August. They did have the pricing debacle but they kept the original pricing. So far, I've been very happy with the truck, despite the broken tonneau cover.
Anyways, the cold has impacted my R1T's range but by maybe 20%. I haven't exactly driven my truck conservatively so I'm not sure how much I could improve that. But the truck is working well for me.
Like you, I still have a Lariat SR ordered but not scheduled for production. I was able to find a MY 22 Lariat SR for MSRP and bought it last week! So I got 22' pricing and the full tax credit. My advice is to look around now for one on a lot! Make it happen! Loving mine! Hoping my dealer will refund my $500 deposit...
before even clicking play I'm going to answer the question:
Yes. It sucks. Not the truck, necessarily. The truck is great. But all this "limited availability" nonsense they hid from us. I truly think we're approaching Cybertruck levels of frustration. The rollout is a complete mess. And if any other reservation holders feel like me, its like limbo. Months since any communication, and absolutely no plan communicated regarding when they plan to build affordable trims
If you're buying a lightning for local use and charging at home the this is a vehicle worth waiting for. But if you gave long commutes or travel a lot, this isn't the vehicle for you
They were never going to have enough battery supply to meet demand. The EV transition will take a lot longer than many people think because the world can't make 50 million huge battery packs a year.
What’s crazy is they are sold out of long range it appears. My dealer physically can not click long range in the portal. I was forced to order lariat short range. I have not seen a single press article, or announcement from Ford explaining this. Yes we knew about the pro etc but no long range batteries??? That’s newsworthy no? Called marketing department 5x they said “we don’t know” dealer “we don’t know” reps “we don’t know.” Things that make you go hmm 🤔
I have had my ford lightning pro sr model for 2 months now. Yes range was at 180-200 miles at 80% charge and now that its 25 degrees outside, and I park the truck outside overnight it only has 110-115 miles of range at 80% charge. O well, my commute is only my 25 miles each way so it still works.Im still very happy with my $39k truck. Out the door taxes and all $44k for a brand new 4x4 4door truck, you just couldn’t beat it!
Nice lucky you we here in Canada don't even get the pro trim it starts at xlt trim and costs 80 to 90k no one can afford that here
I ended up canceling, but only because I don't need to V2H power solution anymore.
I also have a Lightning Lariat on order. It is scheduled to be built the week of January 9th. It's extended range, with max tow package. MSRP is ~$88k. Out the door price after delivery charge and sales tax is a little over $96k. I'm also thinking about possibly not taking delivery, or taking it, driving it for a week or two and selling it at very little profit.
Larry
Do the research for your self. Don’t repeat what others say.
TFL debunked Hoovie’s BS
I own a Lariat extended range.
Less then 20 percent reduction.
My truck is perfect.
You own a house. Plug it in when you get it. You won’t have a problem.
Best vehicle ever.
did you watch the full video friend?
SAY IT LOUDER!!
@@larryl it doesn’t matter if he watched the whole video, some just see the title and call it a day. I get it, negativity gets you more clicks. Ford isn’t here for our good will, eve with the price increase, the truck is just that good.
Hey Larry did you see that Ford is working on a drop in rear tool box size additional battery ? To get close to a 500 mile range per charge. They got a patent for this from what I was reading. I think that’s genius.
Wow, that sounds awesome. I have a lighting pro coming with the standard range battery and this would be great if I ever see the need to add more mileage
Are they still working on that?
There goes all your payload then
I would like the link to follow this battery youre talking about, i have a Lariat Standard and it sucks!!
@@alexiscalderonhernandez1261 it was from a dealer that was talking about a patent that Ford got recently , I'm not sure which one but if I find it I will send it your way ! I just ordered a lariat Lightning ! do you live in a cold state , I live in Florida where the cold won't effect the truck !
I got my order email today (12/15/2022). FYI, the XLT is back, but no Pro model. Since I need the extended battery (~320 mi)--last year when I estimated it to be $65K, that was a stretch for my budget, there is no way I can justify an $85,000 (pre-TTL) vehicle. Sorry Ford, I'm out. I'll see what the Silverado and Dodge Ram have to offer. I'll just stick with my Mach-e and 2003 Silverado.
Great points on pros and cons on ownership. Ford new about the EV market but they where behind like 5yrs just like every other Legacy automaker. They have a ton of patents for 1000hp ev mustang. Why would they want to sell you a cheaper EV alternative to what they been CASH COWING for nearly a century? Plus they don't have the infrastructure yet, it's pathetic! Yet Congress has a hard time passing legislation that would benefit EV adoptions and US population savings! Wonder why?
Day 1 order holder and was so excited about the lightning. Just got the chance to order, deadline December 1st, Ii declined. Too much $$ for too much unknown. Still have my rivian reservation, but I'm losing faith in that truck as well. Might just keep the tundra for the next few years. Good luck in your decision!!
Yes. Leave it plugged in. At temps of 25F or higher I can see no more than 10% loss. Colder could be worse. I have a Tesla M3 also and get the same types of losses. The heater is resistive in both cases and can cause at most a 20% loss, but with heated seats the set point. So results in the Midwest or the mountains may be different, but this works. Towing percentage degradation is the same as a gas vehicle. Range is unexceptably low. If you want to worry about something, worry about the lacking of working chargers during road trips.
Over 3000 miles we are running 2.3 mi/kwhr now.
I'm bailing on my Lariat ER which is "in production". It's just not good value for the money. I'll wait a year for the Cybertruck.
Mine see's about a quarter to a third range loss depending how cold. I have not seen half.
Why are you the only youtuber to put lights behind you rather than behind the camera?
Or are those transporter pods?
Cause Larry's the best!
@@scottcarroll5976
the best at what?
Fails lighting 101.
And can't keep a train of thought going for more then 3 seconds.
Or gets to the point of the video 2/3 of the way through.
Does he provide some useful info? Sometimes
Tfl ev did a good video on this. Congrats to the winner of the contest. I’m on the side of it doesn’t make sense for everyone right now. If you don’t start somewhere, it will
Never get better. I like tech and innovation. I still have my reservation, but very very unlikely to convert it to an order now. I am buying the R1S, but even then I’m worried about spending 75k on a vehicle.
Lariat F150 Lightning owners- Have extended battery before winter range was 300 miles now 247 miles. Also own a 2022 Tesla Model S.
I have an extended battery….. before winter range 300 now 240 miles @70 mph on the highway up and down hills…. It’s perfect
Hey Larry my pro is getting about 130 miles of range at 25 degrees driving at about 73mph with heat at about 63F charged at 100%. Not great but I'm used to having to deal with EVs in the cold. My summer range is only like 180 with mostly 78mph driving. Key is don't tow in winter and abc.
I hope you're not using Hoovies video as a reference. TFL addressed his video that he left the truck outside not plugged in overnight and driving 75 mph on the highway
I did watch that. But I am mostly referring to people on the lightning facebook group and reddit groups. He is certainly adding fuel to the flames though. (I guess I am too technically, lol)
I bet if Larry actually had a Lightning this video would be more positive. I think your a little upset you didn't get the opportunity oertunity to purchase one.
Ford gave me the 2022 price for my 2023. No price increase.
Well, yes, I cancelled my order and had to complain on Ford social media to get a refund. I reserved a Pro and was passed up twice on ordering so earliest I could get delivery would be late 2024 maybe 2025. I aged out and didn't want to get a new expensive truck in my late 70's. Thought about ordering two or three with extended range and maybe should have done that but really my heart was not in a full size truck so will wait for an import or just do a conversion on my own. Can do a conversion for about 20k outlay plus cost of donor vehicle and my time.
Congratulations, Mike!
I have a pro I'm waiting for with an eta fall 2023. I live in Minnesota, 4 degrees fahrenheit now, I'm paying attention to other people's experiences in the cold especially because the ancient heater technology in the trucks. Mine will be plugged in every night and my commute is about 100 miles per day with half after it's sat in a warm garage and the return trip after it has sat outside, unplugged in a very cold parking lot.. I'm still really looking forward to getting the truck but winter range is a concern. Especially since I do like using a heater. Plus with a family of 5, I can't expect the 3 in the back seat to freeze without seat warmers! If I can only manage 120 miles when temps are negative, it's a concern but probably not a deal breaker. C'mon Ford surprise me and start putting in heat pumps and let me upgrade my pro to an ev battery! (Watch cold Tesla guy video)
My ER Lariat is scheduled for production next week 12/12. I'm more anxious to see if the delivery window is expected yet this year. then I would still get the full tax credit.. The Range loss won't be an issue for me - I have like a 13 mile commute to work and can charge here for $1/day if needed.. this will still save me HUNDREDS $$ each month vs my ICE F150. I don't plan on towing nearly enough to make me not buy this truck. I drive a truck because I love the size (and my back sucks and it's hard to get in and out of smaller cars) so I am definitely NOT a "truck" guy.. I do agree they are not for "everyone" currently - but that in the same sense does NOT mean they are not for "anyone" either.
How does it save you HUNDREDS $$ each month over your ICE truck?
I have a no option Pro that I took delivery of in July. 5k miles so far and absolutely love it. $41k was a steal for this truck(not to mention the $7,500 coming at me on my taxes). Crazy acceleration, plenty of tech, and it still can do most truck things. Great first effort from Ford that sets the bar high for other automakers.
Congratulations Mike.
Mine is doing great. Drive it over 120 miles a day. Standard battery XLT.
I jumped . . . couldn't swing the price hike for the fully loaded Lariat extended range (over 90K). I picked up a one year old loaded Powerboost Platinum with ZERO range anxiety and saved over 20K to boot.
Found a new Lariat std battery locally and it followed me home. Love it. No cold weather issues in Florida 😊
There will be a pile of used EVs for sale within a year! not winter vehicles period and North America is in the Northern Hemisphere..Good luck EV owners!
Don't all EV's suffer a significant amount of voltage loss in cold weather conditions, not only trucks?
I've backed off the f150... it would be perfect for me but at this point I'm hoping for a giant price drop on them when 400 mile trucks hit the market
Ha!
me too and in 2 to 3 years all new battery tech will be here
videos and everyone's thoughts about 'buying a Ford Lightning' and all their negativity surrounding not being able to 'get' the truck you original 'thought' you were reserving is overkill. Mainly because we have nothing better to do than to cry about why we can't or didn't 'get' what we wanted.
Larry, no one 'has' to buy a Lightning. Or ANY vehicle, for that matter. It's not life or death.
No one 'has' to have a truck, Tesla makes many sedans you can easily buy if you 'have' to have an EV.
No one 'has' to buy ANY new vehicle. Period. There are MILLIONS on MILLIONS of used vehicles to take a gander at.
We generally have nothing to do but 'complain' about all these important issues in life, well, what we 'think' is important at this moment in time. In 5 years, we'll all have forgotten about all these 'negatives' that seem to be 'so' important now. They are not.
Hug your children. That's really what's important.
man it takes time to be as good as tesla, they have been working on this for 10 + years, you can not just have another manufacturer jump in and make the same thing, one obvious difference is tesla car is 130 MPGE and F-150 EV is 76 MPGE, huge difference, even semi with multiple of weight is doing better than F-150 EV. I let go of my Lariat, I put it on sale, before arrival, no one was interested so when it arrived I let it go to the dealer, the price is too high, the economy is in dire. I would not recommend it unless you have an awesome 500K plus salary.
Hi, in a recent video Larry said his reservation was for a lessor model than the one he would like to order now. FORD told me that once you get your invite at ordering you decide what model you want.
Enjoy your updates. I had no idea my reservation identified the model and I panicked to find my reservation was wrong. Thanks.
My #1 tip for best winter range is have battery charging right up to departure.
Charging it keeps it warmer. Then driving helps keep it warmer too, but not completely warm if it's really cold.
Charging in the garage helps a lot as well.
I got my invite to order from my first day reservation and since XLT wasn't available, and 80k for truck wasnt happening, I decided not to go forward with order. I'll wait, keep my MYP and '22 Silverado for now. I think market will be different in spring when more Lightnings and vehicles in general will be available, possibly well under MSRP.
Ive seen roughly 30% range loss on temps down to 20F. I average around 2.3 kw and even when it was coldest I barely dipped below 2. Yes towing will affect that further and Im curious what the effect is going to be as we get deeper into Winter and we creep towards sub-zero temps. The Midwest gets cold but here in St. Louis its usually in the teens during Winter time so I dont expect much more range loss.
Hi Mac. Your results of range loss seem right. I’ve been driving Teslas for some time now. 30% loss in the 20 degree range is about what I’ve seen. In brutal cold with high temps in the single digits with wind and snow, range loss can push 50% in that extreme example.
im cancelling mine. cant believe you pay 100k for a "truck"!!! 2022 i decided not to make insane decisions lol you can get a shelby super snake from 80- 100k, btw where does Rivian and hummer get in the cold
Hey Larry did your Tesla have issues with the cold weather ? I think Ford will fix this problem , they need better feed back from the Lightning owners to sell more , maybe some kind of heating system to help with the weather change ?
Yes, heat pumps use less power- but, enough less to make a significant difference in winter range loss? The L has a huge cabin, so it’s assumed that seat heaters, not space heating, are used for driver and passenger comfort.
The cold weather videos look like pure click bait. They all seem based on estimated ranges and don't report actual numbers.
My thought is would I really wanna have to charge it nightly? VS a gas/diesel truck I fill up weekly. whether its summer/winter or towing/or empty. I agree for the people that have it to haul a tree once a year and maybe something large 2-6 times a year the reduction in range won't really matter as long as you don't mind charging every single night. To me seems like an inconveince to me. As when I was like yet I want thins I though ok this could save money on fuel and likely only have to charge weekly like I fill up. that seems to just not be the case. and for pretty much the same price as any other truck I'm not seeing the advantage anymore. Maybe in a few more years or Dodge will figure it out or at least be hey if you tow a max load this is your range or in the winter this will be the range. A lot of times just being Honest with people can make all the difference for your reputation and consumer confidence
People jumping into EV’s without doing research will always hate EV’s. Are cold range issues exclusive to Ford? Here is some advice, don’t get a SR if you are going to drive more than 50 miles daily.
There is no 50% reduction, just stop it. Hoovie is an idiot who test drove a Hummer for 10 min and then claimed it was better than the Lightning.
Didn't Farley admit that Ford is losing money on every single EV they sell? They are a struggling EV producers who hasn't figure out the manufacturing process and the technology to turn a profit yet.
So of course they don't want to actually sell high volumes ....
Larry, for the XL the battery is essentially $21,500 ($12,500 for the battery and $9,000 for XL equipment group 312A, I think it was). For the Lariat, it is essentially $11,500 for the equipment group, which includes the battery. With any useful features in the equipment group that makes the trim price level difference essentially around $3,000.
You don't have this right,. My XLT in Canada is just perfect. Its SURE not 50%. it just isn't. Please dont spread this, The lightning is everything they promised. Its not RANGE anxiety, its TIME anxiety. When you finally get one, you will know. BEST TRUCK EVER>. I have to adjust my lifestyle, and thats really what your are peddling here, that we should not have to change our lifestyles, get over it.
thank you. great comment
Click Bait, it’s unfortunate.
It's normal in a leaf to lose 50% in the dead of winter
I'm on the fence about electric trucks. While the range is disappointing, I won't have to worry about going in every three months for an oil change and having the dealership try to upsell a bunch of unnecessary maintenance. I could probably drive an electric truck for what I pay in maintenance for a year on a gas model. My main concern right now is the lack of an EV truck that would replace a 3/4 or 1-ton truck. Given the battery performance available now, it looks like that will be several years down the road. I wish Tesla was building a conventional pickup. With their battery expertise, I bet they could build a heavy-duty pickup. But you are never going to see a Cybertruck pulling a gooseneck trailer or a fifth wheel camper. They are not designed for those types of conventional truck tasks.
I am not anti-ev but I am anti-lets keep raising the price all the way to the moon. I canceled because I realized by the time I get to the table to put in the order it will have tripled or doubled in price. By the time I drive it off the lot the following ev will offer better range and tech that I'm just gonna blow my top
Pro tip from Ford is to use Heated Steering Wheel to reduce need for heating cabin temperature....just received my 2023 Lariat, heated Steering wheel removed due to chip shortage. They gave me a rebate of $175 🤣🤣🤣
Have you heard if the Lightning will start to use a heat pump in future models? Will a heat pump be in the new Silverado EV?
I sure hope so!
How are heat pumps in below freezing temperatures?
@@ThorASic From a heat pump manufacturing website..."As long as your house is properly air-sealed and insulated, an air-source heat pump can perform well beyond temperatures of -13 degrees Fahrenheit! If you live in extreme cold, you may need to use supplemental heat, or what’s called a dual-fuel system (or consider switching to a ground-source heat pump)."
You mentioned a $12,000 price increase for the Pro but for some who will lose out on the $7,500 tax credit it represents a $20,000 increase.
You forgot to subtract the lower 20% of the battery that should not be used for battery health
Larry did I win the $200 gas card For my F150 Lightning 🤭😲😂😂😂
I think Ford is doing wrong by the people who purchases their vehicle I’m never on nothing but a Ford truck but this really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I’ve been waiting to order mine and I’m not going to even consider it anymore Ford was just saying what people wanted to hear. They had no intentions of selling that truck for 40,000. so maybe I will look at RAM.
Yes if you live in a colder weather climate cancel. Wait for the Silverado or Sierra
Don't tell me about your channel and ask for subscriptions. Just make a good video. Skip to 4:02
Yes sir . Sorry about the inconvenience I caused you! I’ll keep that In mind next time. Also, if you want to go ahead and not watch my videos anymore, that would be great
No
And the sensationalist tilt of your titles and words like, ;huge failure' will lead me to unsubscribe . Don't be a Hoovie
You got to love the attention-grabbing headlines that he uses to pull in the viewer. The headline makes it seem like some breaking news about the Lighting. He spends most of his video hypothesizing on worst-case scenarios. At one point, he had the available range down to 60 miles. Mission accomplished Larry. I watched the whole video, but I no longer see you as a trusted source for EV information. You're just a RUclipsr trying to pull in viewers.
From upstate N.Y.area metro area,lots of all kinds of vehicles,see very very few of the EV f-150's.from what I see the tech is still not there,they are basically far weather toys,and at quite an expense.
Will not buy any EV at this time.
Cancelled. Too expensive for what you get. Maybe Tesla will be cheaper but looking like a 2023/ 2024 Colorado in my future !
Winter range loss of Lightning is typical for EV without a heat pump. Your pop-up text confirmed it. Down 40% about what Hoovie and others are seeing.
Resistive heaters use a ton of power like around 7KW or so (as compared to home space heater that uses 1.5KW). HVAC blower motors are also not great. Anyway, 7KW every hour zaps 7KWH off your battery. For 4 hours of driving that's 28KWHs just for the heater, which is over 25% right there. Then add that on to the cold batteries loss.
On our little FIAT 500e I typically see 25% reduction at around freezing with resistive heater in use. Worst I've seen was during polar vortex and it was -22F, which dropped range by 70% (in part because heater was blasting full blast).
Lithium mining is absolutely horrific for the environment and is not renewable as it's a rare earth metal. This "renewable energy" dogma makes the Catholic Church envious.
The ford electric is a flop just buy a gas truck
EV vehicles suck I don’t care who makes it.
Duke Power recently asked customers to conserve electricity to avoid rolling blackouts due to cold temps…. What if everyone needed to charge an electric vehicle. Hello rolling blackouts. EVs for the masses sounds like the worst idea EVER. EVER…. EVER. E…V…E…R
BTW… I cancelled my F-150 Lightning reservation. What a joke- 12k price increase. But kept my Silverado EV order… I want to see if they will honor the base price.