Can Someone be "Born Gay?" W/ Fr. Mike Schmitz
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2019
- Fr. Mike explains why it's a bad idea to attribute homosexual behavior to being "born that way." We discuss how identity politics damages public discourse and how true helpful conversation can only ever occur if we treat others, not as members of a group, but as unique individual human souls.
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Yo, guys, pray for a humble agnostic who is thinking of doing a complete 180°
Blessings my dear brother.
Carter Morris Repeat this prayer continuously Lord Jesus Christ son of God, have mercy on me a sinner
Carter, how beautiful! The Lord loves you so much. He desires you to know His deep love for you and Mother Mary wants you to know Her deep Motherly love. Come to Jesus. He is waiting.
Hello, Carter. Let's pray for each other, & be in touch. I'm an Orthodox Christian priest. My email is fatherpaulmartin@gmail.com
Don't do it, agnostic is the gateway to being free of archaic belief systems.
I am a Cradle Catholic and used to think I was bisexual (even lesbian a few years prior to that) and genderfluid back in my University days. I never acted on my feelings because something seemed to hold me back. Then I got exposed to a charismatic (I studied in a protestant Bundesland here in Germany) church group at my campus and then I slowly found my way back to my Catholic Faith and I am so thankful for God's patience and that he never gave up on me. No matter how hard I tried.
there is nothing wrong with being gay.
@@juliag6552how can you know ?
@@ServantOfTheLordJesusChrist. You’re just afraid. It doesn’t change anything if you are. The fate of the universe or that of your soul does not depend on who you love or what gender persuasion they are. For Goodness sakes 🙈
You think God is going to say, hmm.. good person, but not good enough. Chuck ‘em out. Bin ‘em. What the..
Emancipate yourself from mental slavery.
I’m not Catholic but Fr. Mike seriously makes me consider it. Love that dude! So real and compassionate.
Didn't get that feeling whatsoever.
His points are very grounded and mostly gets you from A to B in a straightforward way as much as possible, that's why a lot of people gets him even if they don't agree with him.
Even if you are not catholic, you can get a lot of very interesting information from Fr. Mike’s Bible in a year podcast or here in in ascension’s channel
@@klingerp 5
Catholicism is awesome.
Fr Mike is skilled at empathy and I think it is genuine. He’s a good guy. I’m not catholic, but I like his discussions.
Maybe you should consider Catholicism :) it is the best thing that would ever happen to you
more discussions If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
Do you know him?
Pray for me! I’m an atheist- born into Catholicism. I love the religion and how mysterious it is, I know it’s the true religion. Just can’t bring myself into believe there is a higher power whatsoever. I need help!
Juliusius thank you! I will check it out
Praying for you! You are so loved and the Catholic Church will always be here to welcome you home 😊
@@TheMountAndBladerX10 most of which have been discredited by science, and none of which are accepted as valid by other religions, as they have their own list of supposed 'miracles.'
@@alt8791 those "discredited" partsbi would love to see for the newer ones and of course other religions wouldnt accept them, anyome who accepts doesnt have much logical alternatives besides catholicism.
@@alt8791 Yeah, obviously no other religions would accept them lmao. Otherwise they'd be Catholic. What point are you trying to make?
Mike Schmitz looks like a medium-sized John Cena.
to me he looks like Hugh Jackman "Wolverine"
Nah he looks more like sal from impractical jokers
Yeah.... HOT!
Yeah they look alike
😑😑...😲😲😲😲 He kinda does....😍😍yeah ..maybe that's why I secretly have a crush on this stranger ...lol..feel...weird...but idc...just...a little crush..
The way he plays devil's advocate is so well done and productive to the conversation. You can tell how much work, research, and preparation he put into this. Very impressive
It impresses the ignorant and stupid very well.
Too bad they have no qualifications in any science, so they answered with superstitious propaganda. It only impresses weak-minded, poorly-educated people.
That's what critical thinkers do. We don't just regurgitate nonsensical talking points like the woke left does. We constantly question ourselves and ask ourselves if we are wrong.
When someone doesn't question themselves, it's not confidence, they've been brainwashed.
Being open minded doesn't mean accepting everything (like the woke left does), it means being open to having your beliefs, morals and values challenged. If someone can prove me wrong on something, or can give me new information, I will absolutely change my beliefs to the truth.
@@bigdickblack1505 What does that have to do with anything I said or anything going on today?
Really?
I’ve been struggling with SSA most of my life. Being raised in an atheist family, everybody took for granted that I was “born this way” and showered me with their acceptance. As soon as I started my path towards baptism, my feelings changed. I don’t have to fight SSA - all I had to do was not fighting back Jesus and letting Him guide me. I now look forward to being baptized on Easter and I couldn’t be happier. SSA was the cause for most of the pain in my life: now it feels unreal, like a bad dream.
Congratulations,God bless you 🙏😇
What is SSA? Secret American codes dont cut it on an international platform.
God bless you and have mercy on you 👍
I struggled with transgenderism before, I’m looking forward to my Easter baptism too.
@@cincin4515 Same-sex attraction
So you are in a relationship with a woman now?
@@cincin4515 Same sex attraction
Jesus admits that everyone has a cross. He doesn't indicate that He will take your cross. He tells everyone to pick up their own. Blessed Mother tells us to use our cross as a tool to salvation. All crosses are very heavy. No one is spared. Faith, hope, and love are the only things that make it bearable. To hand your cross over to Him only means that you trust Him, not that He will take it away but it will feel lighter because you now understand it has purpose. It is not just worthless suffering. You can use it to help the salvation of souls that have never heard of Jesus as well as those who have.
Amen
@@deadislandfanclub so homophobics have their own cross to bare as its a lifestyle they freely chose......Homophobics then should hand your cross over to Him only means that you trust Him, not that He will take it away but it will feel lighter because you now understand it has purpose. It is not just worthless suffering. You can use it to help the salvation of souls that have never heard of Jesus as well as those who have.
@@pastorbri As Christians we. Believe prayer is a real tool that can sometimes change our circumstanced if God feels it is beneficial to our salvation. Otherwise you're stuck with it.
pastor brian disagreeing with the homosexual lifestyle is not a sin.
@@christiandpaul631 I agree which is why we must pray for homophobics to change.
Fr. Schmitz is one of the best evangelizers to my generation by far. He is genuine and understanding, yet so knowledgable and sharp.
David DeKold you can only be saved by grace alone, only Jesus can save you, you can’t do it it yourself. If you sin it’s okay we all do, ask God to forgive you and make you strong, have faith in God because you can’t save yourself no matter how hard you try, if you live a “sinless” life you won’t make it to heaven, but if you live a life in CHRIST alone you do. Preach the gospel, if you sin it’s okay, ask God to forgive you because he knows you can’t save yourself only threw him. God loved you, I love You❤️🙏🏾
Father Mike a question do Straight people choose to be straight ? No their born that way just like Gays and Bisexuals .😊 Its called common sense you like who you like it's nobody's business as long as your consenting adults .
truth If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, that you are entitled to, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
@@dan69052 many homosexual people who've become straight after encountering Jesus would reject your statement, homosexuality for the most part is a choice and reversible with will. I'd suggest you watch real life testimonies instead... And if you believe in science, you'd know it goes against natural law of reproduction, and doesn't benifit for the progression of a particular species,so much for your "science"
*When the Holy Spirit destroyed People of Lot* 😱😱😱
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I'm not Catholic but I really enjoy listening to Mike. I had the privilege of meeting him once when he was giving a speech in Brainerd, MN (where I live and where he's from, originally). He is as genuine in person as you would expect from watching his videos. I appreciate that he can impart so much wisdom for all Christians.
I'm a grown man and I have a best friend that is likely repressing SSA, he seems to be going crazy because of his repression, but for all I know he's just so pent up that it's like he's in jail and ready to have sex with anything, it's very strange. I pray he gets better, he definitely needs a woman. I think I'll stay friends with him for the sake Jesus who died for him as much as He died for me, but if he starts coming on to me I know I can't stay.
I'm currently a Non-Denominational Evangelical Protestant, but I'm trying to learn about Catholicism because I want to repair a rift caused in my family when I was born Catholic but raised Protestant from like the age of 3. I went to Christian schools, but the teaching needs to be more advanced and rigorous than you'd find in a Sunday school if we plan on resisting and pushing back on Islam and other Judaizing heresies.
I was a very bad man for a very long time, but I gave my life to Jesus, and so can anyone else, including gays, trans people and even prisoners, God's mercy is for all of us who renounce our sins and ask for forgiveness, regardless of your denomination.
At age 8 or 9, when I was praying at my bed side at night, when I finished, I looked up, I saw Jesus. Praying above me, over me, with me.
"There's a difference between relief and freedom" - HOLY COW that distinction just blew my mind. So true! Great insight Fr. Mike!!! Thank you!
Same
So true, this applies to everyone’s sexuality, homosexual or not, we all need healing in this area to be free and be the people we were made to be.
He is right that relief can feel like freedom and create the feeling that this is right. Hes also not taking into account that there are plenty of people who never have the fear to then experience that relief, yet still experience that same freedom. Just because its a possible explanation for something does not mean its the only or even the correct explanation. He does acknowledge this rifht after that point as well.
and homophobia is not a freedom
@@pastorbri Homophobia kills people.
Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins... save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls to heaven, especially those in my need of thy mercy. Amen.
@Casey McCullen The Templar Knight of Justice go to confession...receive the sacrament of reconciliation. Be filled with the grace needed to fight sin. We are called by Our Lady of Fatima (the origin of this prayer) to atttend confession 5 first saturdays in a row.
Casey McCullen The Templar Knight of Justice bless you and may God watch you in your steps
It’s really used for the souls in purgatory, of course your advise is accurate tho. Deus Vult
Amen. I pray that every day, multiple times a day. It's a profound prayer, on par with the Act of Contrition. God bless you.
Hell its not real. gosh
This one is a real struggle for me. I have several gay family members and friends. And all of them feel they were born that way. As a heterosexual, I always try to imagine what if society told me I was wrong, and I had to be attracted to the same sex? Could I do that? The answer is no. I simply can't accept that our innate sexuality is a choice. And so I do have to wonder why God allows people to be born that way, and their only real choice to remain in a state of grace is to live a life of chastity. I don't believe they can "convert" and change their innate sexual preference. And I think that would be unfair to a future spouse, as I have seen people try to be "straight" and ultimately their relationship fails because of their innate sexual preference. I'm not saying the Church is wrong on this issue, but it's definitely one I don't understand. I had a priest tell me once that he thought when we die we'll all have questions for God about things we didn't understand. This will be one of mine.
I second this! Great question.
Right there with you! 😣
I hope this acts as some sort of answer for it..at least this is the way I interprete it. Being celibate doesn't mean a life of loneliness and when you encounter the true love of god you won't limit love to a body part. Father Mike most priests do uphold a life of celibacy ( as you know ) and don't regret there decision because Christ brings so much more. I was chaste with my now wife for almost 5 years before we got married. Even now if some reason we could never have sex again I feel I'd be OK with that. It's enjoyable for sure but the joys of life, giving, and sacrifice brings more pleasure then sex ever really could. The hard part tho is getting someone who does struggle with it to see that truth and look past societal norms
@@phillipcockrell5503 I think there's a huge difference between adults who are attracted to the same sex and enter into a relationship consensually and adults who prey on children. I'm pretty sure God sees a difference there too. They may both be sins, but there are degrees of sin. Additionally, in the Catholic faith my understanding is it is very difficult for a man with SSA to enter the priesthood. I suspect it would be similar for a woman with SSA to enter a convent. In either situation, you would be living with members of the same sex, and basically living in a state of constant temptation.
Hi, I've studied something about psicology and yes, people in the first years can decide their sexuality most of the times through their parents relationship, for exemple most of people Who consider themself omosexual have a very present mother and a inconsistent father. Messages like injunction (destructive for the existence and the persona) of this type can be hiden under other more destructive or less social accepted injunctions... and they pass in infant age... they can be in the form of direct message, for exemple a mother that dresses a boy like a girl, or who wanted a girl so much that someway passes her intention to the Kid, It can be an indirect message like the refuse or the insults to the partner or other sex in general, It can also be Just interpreted that way by the Kid, that is the ultimate decision maker and judge of that all... He has an infantile decision to make, and than all his Life will be, if not helped, hiding his sadness under other problems thinking that that injunction Is real for everyone or it "Is Wat It Is", and can't change . And the ultimate problem in this situation Is the "Pride".
Hope to bring another point of view, Sorry for my bad english. Have a nice life, take care!
The greatest lie the devil tells us is that what we experience, we experience alone.
How did you determine that? Where is your research.
@@jamesparson SOOOOURCE PLEASE... SOURCE SOURCE SOURCEE! SNOPES DEBOOONKT
@@ThomasG_Nikolaj lmao
Meaning???
Yup 👍
We should pray for our Priests. The Church is under great attack.
I think you mean pray for the Church because the priests deserve to be attacked
@@Taima All Priests? I'll have to disagree.
As it should be.
There are no priests, only preachers and Jesus wanted everyone to be a preacher. You don't need a church, a robe or a license to preach.
@Not My last nameThere shouldn't be any priests in Christianity, because priests are a medium between God and humans. Jesus tught to pray directly to God.
Also Jesus wanted us to only preach his word, which isn't very hard to do.
Okay but Father Mikes hair is fresh asf
He likes to present well on screen.
Looks immature actually soo
He low-key fine 🙊
@David Joseph Really? Hoping God punishes someone? How very Catholic of you! lol. Pray that she turns from it or simply worry about yourself.
@David Joseph You can speak truth and not be a douchebag about it.
Father Mike is an amazing and brilliant priest. One of the things I like about him is that he comes across as friendly and approachable, but not in that cheesy way that some priests can be where it’s all about them. One of the issues Fr Mike addresses really well is the difference between experience and identity. Too often, especially in American culture, people think that their personalities and identities are defined by the experiences they have. Also, and he hints at this as well, we live in a culture that very much preaches a message of “if you have a desire, that desire is automatically good, and that desire must be satisfied.“ What the Catholic Church teaches and which is very difficult for many people, is the idea of delayed gratification or making sacrifices, which means not always giving into every desire you have. But if you live in a culture that believes you are expected to give into every desire and that your experience of doing that identifies you, it’s obviously very difficult to resist that.
Well said
He's a cunning propagandist addressing the ignorant to twist their minds
With still a pure love. Not someone under depression One
Yes
@@bigdickblack1505 actually Americans overwhelmingly supported marriage only being defined between a man and a woman. It even failed as an initiative in California, that's right, California. It was only after the Supreme Court arbitrarily forced the rest of the country and the states were forced to adopt a definition of marriage that rendered the word meaningless, that's when opinions started to change. In other words, most Americans like supporting the status quo.
I was suffering from gender disphoria for my whole life, I was raised as a protestant christian, when I seriously considered converting to Catholicism and I had sent a mail to my parish it went away. the pastor of that parish told me that when he had received that mail from me that he started praying for me. I feel so blessed by God for having received this sign for His plan for me. I ask you to pray for me, that I may grow in following Gods plan and listening to Him.
Christ didn't come to make us happy, He came to free us from our sins.
you just reminded me of the buddy Christ statue from the movie, Dogma. But the reveal is in the reverse order, the crucifix with the bleeding dying Christ is the true image of how we should see him instead of happy winking Jesus that some people justify as Christ that didn't suffer and that our sins aren't automatically forgiven.
"rejoice always, pray continually"1Thessal 15-17 He does want us to be happy... freeing us from our sins can bring His light and peace. And eventually joy granted by the Holy Spirit....But it would be more correct to say that Christ didn't come to grant happiness through worldy pleasures.
It depends what you mean by happy. One could argue that Christ in fact did come to make us experience eudaimonia or happiness.
@@jflores85 my response was the father's video
I agree with you that God didn't come to give us temporary material happiness, but he certainly came to give us eternal perfect happiness with him in heaven
Well done, gentlemen! May St. Michael give you each a fierce guardian angel to keep you safe😇
Fr Mike reminds me of what Fulton Sheen said about St Joseph's age and appearance. That he probably wasn't an old man, but rather a young, vigorous and handsome man who decided to give it all to God. Same about the Blessed Virgin. Fr Mike is very inspiring! God bless him!
have you read Fthr Calloway's consecration to St. Joseph? it touches a lot on this point.
I miss Futlon Sheen I wish he was here in today's time to set things straight, no pun intended. With his wisdom he surely can help anyone that questions God or teachings of the church
@@daninspiration4064 I agree! I watch (his) posted YT videos.
Fr. Mike is always awesome, thoughtful and illuminates perspective brilliantly!
Thank you Matt Fradd for your shows.
This discussion with Fr. Mike is kind and Christian and beautiful.
I have been binge watching the Matt Fradd chanel. Its uplifting to my heart to see the profound Christian love on this chanel. Excellent Catholic content. TRUE Catholicism!
Thank you.
@@bigdickblack1505 I genuinely couldn’t agree more, it’s naive people like this that just act like homophobia is something so innocent and isn’t the main reason why people have the problems they do nowadays. I personally believe that God created the two main genders and all the different gender identities he knew what would happen even before it happened, all the different genders had already existed, we just needed time to figure out what they were and from then on we could name them.
Sex is not love❤️ love is total devotion to each other!
so why do heterosexuals make love if its not love?
pastor brian the make sex and abandon each other the next day
@@user-td3ut4tg3v yes heterosexuals are like that
pastor brian ok I am confused wether you re being sarcastic
@@user-td3ut4tg3v because your calling gay people for what heterosexuals do also, as if its ok when heterosexuals do it.
wow its all about us blew my mind thank you so much for talking about this is so much love
This is an excellent conversation! Great job gentlemen!
"Better our children should suffer greatly than be happy in depraved and alienating ways." C.S. Lewis - The Problem of Pain
Is it?
@@jaysun2402 Yes.
But is it better that "we cause" our children to suffer greatly for a higher purpose?
Because I think you've just invalidated Catholic notions of love, freedom, justice, prudence, charity and conscience.
I mean, I can see Chinese state propaganda cutting and pasting this sentence in self-justification.
Viewer Discretion you must read CS Lewis’s “The Problem of Pain”. In response to your question whether “we cause”, definitely not to the point of abuse - but disciplining children is extremely important and some suffering is necessary for them (and us) to learn. Here’s another wonderful quote from CS Lewis: “Isn't God supposed to be good? Isn't He supposed to love us? Does God want us to suffer? What if the answer to that question is, 'Yes'"? I suggest to you that it is because God loves us that He [gives] us the gift of suffering.
"I'm not sure that God wants us to be happy. I think He wants us to be able to love and be loved. He wants us to grow-up. We think our childish toys bring us all the happiness there is and our nursery is the whole wide world. But something must drive us out of the nursery to the world of others and that something is suffering.
"You see, we are like blocks of stone out of which the sculptor carves forms of men. The blows of His chisel, which hurt so much, are what makes us perfect."
- C. S. Lewis
But the definition of what constitutes as “depraved” is highly subjective, and varies immensely from one culture to the next.
Fr. Mike your passionate heart towards people, and your genuine love for them is a testament to your ministry. Bless you.
but homophobia is still a sin
@Ioannis Stefanakis yes I agree we should call out homophobics as sinners, well said.
MIKE IS NOT YOUR FATHER!
@@timsgta well spotted, we have but one father. And who would want a homophobic father anyway!
@@pastorbri I am living for your comments. I'm sick of these homophobes. It's why a lot of my friends send my gf left or don't want to join the church because of trauma.
:,)) i dont know how i will not be a sapphic, but i do know that if being a Catholic sapphic means having to live in celibacy for the rest of my life, then celibacy it is.
Gurl I’ve come to the same conclusion and I’m hetero.
If I don’t get married, which it’s not looking bright, it’s celibacy for life.
I’ve seen consequences just aren’t worth it.
@@gma904 aMEEENNN
Amen Sister! May God’s graces be poured upon you!
Wow that’s powerful. My sister is lesbian and she can’t come to terms with the Church because she doesn’t want to see her sexuality as a cross. It’s really comforting to hear that someone out there with that cross is still choosing to put God first. May the Lord bless you and keep you forever friend 😊
I'm a lesbisn and I became an atheist while ago, but that's damm respectable, choosing God over a love life.
Appreciate Matt’s insights in the interviews, but would have liked to hear more from Fr. Mike, with Matt stepping back and listening a bit more. Thanks for this content and broaching this difficult topic, Matt!
I'm a gay believer. It's an awful place to be, incredibly lonely. With gay people you're totally out of place, in the church you're just there on the periphery. Either way it's almost impossible to find anything to look forward to in life, knowing you won't have your own family and will probably die alone.
Don't let Satan's lies destroy you...Pray and continue to fight against those urges. Jesus is the Saviour of our Soul not Satan and certainly not being the slave of sin. He knows how much you desire to be free from that bondage, and when you fix your eyes upon Jesus and continue steadfast in his Glory and Grace, you will be Sanctified and cleansed of your sin..You are so loved by God that he gave his only son as a sacrifice for us. Please just keep turning away from sin, there are battles ahead and many battles are lost and you will never see the end of that road while your walking with sin. Turn your eyes upon Jesus, look full in his wonderfull face, and the things of earth will grow faintly dim, in the light of his Glory and Grace...Amen
Exactly and they don’t care! They don’t want us to live! Catholicism is why I almost committed suicide ! They DO NOT CARE! None of them care and now if hell is real I’ll probably be going there because I can’t un gay myself. I’ll
Live in suffering and die in suffering and spend my eternity in suffering I am reprobate. I wish I was never born and these people will look at my pain and shrug because they care more about their individual salvation than anything else like someone suffering because of their teachings. Also you don’t have a right to feel angry!
You don't have to die alone. There is plenty of people for everyone out there! You could always adopt if you want kids and surround yourself with tolerant LGBTQ friends. Keep trying your best 👍
If you think you were born like that the Good News is that through Jesus you can be born again!
Ask Him to heal you, restore you and make you whole!
To hate your sin is the first step, while you love it there's no regret nor redemption 😘
We all have a cross to carry and no sin is better than other in the end...
May God help you and have Mercy on us all.
Jesus is Lord! He made us and He can remake us again! Believe!
@@TheGypsykueen no better love than christian hate lol
"There's a difference between relief and freedom." 🔥🔥🔥
He followed up by stating that he is simply posing the question, as he can never and will never know another person’s experience. ie the quote you provided is merely speculation from his perspective.
@@Formon wonder if homophobics know this?
@@mike-cc3dd So people that have prejudice, hatred, and disgust for gay people... what's the name for that...
@@mike-cc3dd so....bit like racism is not a real thing either or sexism???? REALLY????? Sorry these things are real and sinful and need to be repented of.....sorry.
@@Beanie1879 and homophobics were not even born bigots. It was a choice they made.
Really great conversation, thank you.
Excellent dialogue! Thank you Matt & Father Mike.
“IT IS SHE whom one should imitate and come close to. We should become hers, become her. Behold the peak of PERFECTION IN MAN." +St. Maximilian Maria Kolbe, ora pro nobis
Even the term "inelegant" is elegant and eloquent, Fr. Mike. You're a uniting source of clarity and understanding for all who listen to you. Thank you.
Part of his ministry is to go out there and tackle questions and getting in touch with others without forcing opinions. I think this went well.
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Father Mike often moves me to tears. Those really pure, humble, delicious, thoughtful kind of happy tears where you are fully present and fully mindful, authentic and still. I don't get to feel that too often. I don't know if it's even appropriate to say, but I dig him. He is doing God's work and that is a beautiful thing to behold. This was a good one. I enjoyed the format of a conversation, and with an Aussie too 😁. Thank you 😊❤️✌️🇭🇲
Yeah, he moves me to tears too. Tears for the heartache he's perpetuating in gay people.
@@porterp How so ?
@@delishme2 I've explained that elsewhere in this thread.
When my atheist friends ask me how a person is born with original sin I tell them that you have to teach a child to be good, but you don’t have to teach them to be bad. Selfishness is definitely inherent in the human condition. How do I know this? I’m a grandmother!
Also Father, I love how you said a person is not based on an experience.
Animals are selfish too. Are they born with original sin?
but don't we all also have the inherent goodness? that thing inside of us that tells us this is the right thing to do, even no one teaches us. The default internal compass that tells you good and bad.
I'd prefer to think a child/ baby is a clean slate, its up to the parents, and the environment to shape how the child would grow.
However with original sin concept I feel like all of us started from minus, instead of zero. Which I don't think Its fair.
1 Timothy 2:12
"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."
Under the Christian worldview, you, as a woman, can tell me, a man, nothing. Keep quiet; you're literally prohibited from teaching. Stop sinning, Julie. It's what your divine dictator wants.
@@MichaelBohnJr That's so true
BS. We are born into duality and we are born with choice. We are not born “bad.”
Watching from Trinidad and Tobago. Luv it. I subscribed for more
such truth. thank you for sharing a needed word
Dog I’m gay and I was specifically told I shouldn’t watch Matt Fradd and after seeing this, I don’t agree with his all his beliefs but he’s so nice and respectful about it that I can’t fault him for it.
This life is nothing but a test in exile. Im praying for you.
God makes no mistake... He has a plan for you. Just don’t fight against Him - and He shall lead you to the light. I’ll pray for you.
@@hoofixrman ahhahahahh
@@lorenzolozzigallo2589 you can't force us to change that makes you homophobic and ignorant. Stop denying your sexuality!
@@nycmatt86 no one's forcing you to change. Maybe listen to the video again. It's not about trying to change who you are. We are all flawed and have struggles. It's about recognizing what God wants for you may not be what you're attracted to..self denial is a great virtue.
💜 Makes me think of a spiritual director/confessor I had, who during confession used to say, often, "see how WE are... See how we are...“?... It was really" us" and he sometimes cried with me, as if recognizing he was just as as sinful,in need of grace and forgiven. It was always an amazing experience. I never forgot 😊
Wow!
Catholicism is messed up. Who gave this person you are speaking to and "confessing" your sins to the authority to do anything ket alone forgive you?? So messed up...
@@Fedayeen77 Re. "Catholicism is messed up. Who gave this person you are speaking to and "confessing" your sins to the authority to do anything ket alone forgive you?? So messed up..."
The authority and duty to forgive is in every human soul who becomes a Christian. Forgiveness is love regardless and is the essential teaching of Christianity. All Christians are repeatedly encouraged in our bible to forgive one another as God forgives us, for our forgiveness of each other is an extension or passing on of God's forgiveness. That is why we are forgiven by God as we forgive others, for God's forgiveness only flows through our self when we forgive others. As we forgive, so we are forgiven. This is all in our bible. Forgiveness heals both the forgiver and the forgiven; it heals our self, and each other, and our relationships. There is no no resentment, no grudgefulness, no shame, no hurt, where there is forgiveness. For those who know them, regret and shame are the worst of human feelings. Worse even than loneliness, for loneliness cuts us off from others, but regret and shame not only cut us off from others but also from our own conscience, from our own self. Conscience grating in the soul is an awful thing. Why would we leave someone to suffer such anguish when we can relieve them. Forgiveness gives relief to troubled souls. As regret and shame are the worst of human feelings, so forgiveness with its power to relieve is the greatest service we can provide for one another. Love is a heartfelt wish that another's suffering be minimal, and forgiveness is that part of love that enables us to love everyone, that enables us to love in all directions, that gives us no excuse not to love, for it enables us to love even those who hate us and who would harm us, it enables us to be kind to all, to be lenient and merciful. Forgiveness is the greatest power for good that our hearts can wield. Jesus gave his life teaching and demonstrating for us the power of love-forgiveness, and our church and our priests continue to teach and practice confession and forgiveness, so that we may love each other regardless, and relieve each other of regret and shame, heal each other and heal our relationships. And what we learn and practice in church we endeavour to practice in life with others, with family, friends, neighbours, work colleagues, and with those who dislike us. Naturally we frequently fail to live up to the standards of our Lord, we let our self down, and people may call us hypocrites, they rubbish us, and mock us, they call us messed up (as you did), but we persevere because we are Christians, because we are committed with the help of faith and prayer to being as loving/forgiving towards our fellow man and women as we can be.
@@Fedayeen77 if you're against Christianity then why would you even listen to this? 😂
@@just-a-fella3212 beautifully said
That was a very good conversation, I really enjoyed the points that were made back and forth, even though I agree with others who mentioned that it would be easier if Matt could write down his thoughts and not cut Fr. Mike short in his answers. It still was a genuinely enjoyable conversation, so this is not any harsh criticism, just an idea to make it a bit more smooth.
Father Mike has helped me so much through his videos, he has supported me through a lot of darkness with his talks online. I enjoy Matt's talks so much, he has great guests and an amazing way of including the "other" side. I love that they always estimate and respect and include the other opinions. A great podcast, thank you so much for your work. 🙏🏼💜
another good video ruclips.net/video/cJrqLV4yeiw/видео.html
Reminds me of what the late apologist Ravi Zacharias said "Behind every question is a questioner"
We always gotta remember that its a human person asking those poignant stuff that most likely is affecting them deeply.
I love Father Mike. So cool. He's the real deal. Thankyou
This protestant (living in a community all too enamored with "identitarian" politics) is extremely compelled and inspired by such a complete, mature, and Christlike explanation and conversation. Thankful for you and for this conversation.
God bless you and guide you through the right path!
He was born that way too. Just sayin
@@robertaiudi6521 I don't follow what you're saying.
@@TheWorldTeacher I would rather say the very opposite. It is time for the world to come back to God, and understand that a world led by "men willings" is soon going to be destroyed. Just look around you.
@@TheWorldTeacher is it better to be God servant or satan slave?
For a second I thought hat that one guy was drinking vodka 🤣🤣🤣
He is hahahahaha
What?! Is there something wrong with vodka and religion?!? Ben you sound vodka-phobic!!! Lol 😂 I a big fan!!! Shalom
Me too.
I thought you were actually Ben Shapiro for a sec lol
Me too then I saw it was actually holy water... which some may say vodka is :-)
Sometimes I often think God DID in fact make/made sexual differences to show us that we need to work on love and acceptance as a human race. People who were made homosexual etc...are the very ones HE gave a specific mission to.
Just like he made me for my purpose.
God did not make any human being sexually aberrant. Our bodies are not designed to healthily engage sexually with the same sex. Males experience cancers, anal retainage deficiencies, deadly diseases and sterility- and an end to their genetic line. This is aside from the spiritual ramifications. Females the same. God designed us with parts meant to engage with their counterparts of the opposite sex, in marriage. Praise God for such a good gift. May those who struggle with SSA find their way to Jesus.
“If it wasn’t this it would be something else!” Great point for this evangelist.
Doesn't that make all sins equal.. I understand his and point but what after that? lying isn't equal to the sin of porn or going to a strip club or leading this lifestyle or abortion.. confused with this messaging
I praise how you both simply love us🙏✝️
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"There's a difference between relief and freedom." That is so good. The deepest truths in our lives are not often emotionally confirmed. Living authentically is far more holistic and involves a daily struggle.
homophobics seem to have the worst struggle to fight their own hate
@@pastorbri Well, people who hate and despise others in general struggle most with their own hate.
@@134t7 which is why homophobia is a sin.....
If you have to struggle to be something, you’re not that. If you’re struggling to be something worthy then okay the struggle might be worth it.
You have to struggle to be a good person or a doctor because you’re not already a good person or a doctor.
But you can not struggle to be authentic to yourself.
@@pastorbri no it isn't
Very well thought out, though I still vehemently disagree with the whole premise. I respect these two men. But I still can no longer subscribe to an ideology that eternally punishes and separates people for, well, anything really, done in a temporary life on earth. Let alone failing to deny and repress romantic attractions that one has had since puberty.
Also, as a gay man, this issue is only the first among many issues I’ve developed with the ideology over time. And not even the most significant.
Kudos to you!
1. Most amazing explanation ever.
2. I thought that was a vodka bottle.
I did too! 🤣🤣 I was like dang, he’s bold !
I did not understand what the priest said. He was talking in circles.
I am here to proclaim that God heals. After years of same sex attraction, God healed me through the power of the precious blood of Jesus. The opression left me, and I am a witness to God's grace and mercy. The Holy Spirit came into my heart. Before my faith was just I'm my head. Pray for deliverance for our brothers and sisters. Healing is possible. Good dialogue in this video, Being isolated and in shame from other Christians is not helpful. We are all sinners in need of salvation. See Corinthians 6:9-11
Kai Lof Same here...I couldn’t have gotten clean without Jesus. Fact. I thank Him every. Single. Day for my retirement benefits AND for lifting the all-consuming, 24/7 obsession to use from my mind
Nonsense no wonder Hinduism thrives while Christianity. Is dieing out. Thank God it bombed in India
Aaron Chand Christianity is the 3rd largest religion in India with approximately 28 million followers. Thoughts and prayers to help you with your ignorance and intolerance.
@@GiovannaAguilar Christinty has been the most intolrent relgion with Relgious wars in The west with the Crusades 100 years wars Spaish Inqustions. witch burinngs clonialsim imperlism slavery two world wars. converting people hating gay people even today Christinty is agnist things like Abortion being a choice. and banning Harry potter books.
So no more same sex attraction?
Great interview. Awesome questions and challenge's met with honest loving answers. Thank you.
yet homophobia is STILL the real sin here
@@pastorbri "pastor" is such a loose term these days
@@shawnmccuen6908 NOT IN GODS WORD ITS NOT
@@pastorbri I'm sure it's all translated incorrectly right. ( Boring)
@@pastorbri So I suppose if I'm born with alcoholism it's ok to drink myself to death right?
In my humble opinion people are not born with a sexual preference, but it is learned from society and those raising an individual! The values a society holds is reflected on to its' people!
Homosexuality and alcoholism/cheating are not even comparable, because homosexuality is much more than sexual desire-it’s who you love most intimately, who you want to spend your life with. Something concerning love, one of the most fundamental aspects of being human, can’t be dismissed as an act-it’s much more deeper than that-it’s connection. That connection and relationship is part of one’s identity in a way a habit of cheating or alcoholism cannot ever be.
Yeah and pedophilia or beastiality can be apart of your identity too. Jesus said to deny yourself pick up your cross and follow him
He's not gay. It's like a dog (no disrespect intended) trying to describe... The rainbow. So, he's doing the best he can. Fact is though, the Pope believes we deserve civil rights as well as the ability to have families.
You can love a person without being sexually intimate.
Loving someone of the same sex is entirely plausible, can be felt deeply, no doubt, but sexual relations is solely for a true sacramental marriage as ordained by God, the author of marriage. God alone determines that and the Catholic faith gives us the prescribed way to follow the best we can. Any kind of deviations or stretching to include this or that is treading a dangerous path. But the worst thing is for Catholics, especially Priest and Bishops to go about teaching something other than the prescribed truth as we know it. It would be easy to go the way of free love and sex for all as long as it's with love and meaning, but what the Bible says or Jesus' words are " a hard teaching." His teaching is the hard truth and if we leave the truth, where else do we go?
Enjoyed much of the discussion; but brother Matt's frequent interruptions, to either make a point or complete Fr Mike's thought, made further enjoyment difficult. Recommend a pad and pencil, to record those thoughts and return to them. I say this with respect, absent any malice and overall gratitude for Matt's work.
point is homophobia is the real sin
I agree. It was very distracting, which turned into frustration, which caused me to turn it off.
@@pastorbri - Brian, stop distorting TRUTH.
@@johnnyamerica4336 is this what u will tell God? GOOD LUCK THERE.
@@pastorbri - maybe YOU will tell God what the “real sins are”, I won’t be telling God ANYTHING and until the day I stand in His presence, I will follow Gods Word, the Bible.
I've found fr. mike to match up with the teachings of the bible very well. I show his videos to my faith formation class periodically. He explains things better than I can. Just discovered Matt Fradd, so I"m excited to hear more from him. With the church being almost overrun with females, my male students need to hear from a masculine man of authority. Too little testosterone in the church right now. Thank you men for serving we need you!
Lmao what- my old church was only men. The women didn't get to talk. We need women to take the stage and be leaders, I don't know why you wouldn't want representation and being progressive
Here is a great video for your class.
@@iammerch1805 I don't know where you're located, but where I'm at in the U.S.A almost everything in the church beyond the priest is run by women- specifically elderly women. Moms teach Faith Formation, women handing out the Eucharist, handling the music, and so on. This is about the most uninspiring thing imaginable for people raising boys. I understand women need roles in the faith community but not to the point where they're doing everything.
@Potato Yes, it's excessive and inappropriate. I've taught Faith Formation for many years at my parish and I find it pathetic that only 1 man has stepped up to the plate. I always thank him for doing it. Most of the teachers at school are female so the kids love having a male teacher at church!
I'm getting so much out of this, thank you both for this conversation. It's definitely hard for those who face this, praying for all🙏
It's not hard to be gay, it's hard to suffer abuse at the hands of homophobes.
truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
Father Mike is very thoughtful and careful with his words. Thank you for that!
I really appreciate the fact that you sort of debate both sides of the argument and play devils advocate and really seem to consider the issue you’re discussing
which is odd they don't see homophobia as the real sin
On my journey to becoming an atheist I had a conversation with my pastor at the time. Im not homosexual, but the data is in and while sure there may be environmental influences for sexual orientation, but its more biological. Regardless of original sin, or god making the person that way, people can be born homosexual. While asking "why did God make me this way" isn't the best question, the point they are Illuding to is valid. Reguardless if it was gods intention or due to the original sin of another being,, they are this way without a choice.
Humans have 2 truly primal drives, survival and sex. While either of these guys may have some struggles, im in doubt either of them struggle with something this deeply engraved in our base psyche. To deem this as immoral is the real question. God never adequately explains why this is considered immoral. I have yet to see how or why it is either.
After a bit of back and forth I could tell that he wasn't grasping the point i was trying to make. So I posited this as an example, what if homosexuality was the only way to reproduce and it is what God deemed holy and moral. Now heterosexuality was deemed immoral by God. So your attraction to your wife was deemed wrong and acting on that is a sin. Imagine this and then explain why this is now immoral and a sin? There isn't a real justification for it and the same applies to when we apply this to our current situation. He had no answer to this and after I looked on my own I also found no answer other than "God said so".
This, is the crux of the issue for the the theists. Even farther if you want to believe this is some devine will thats fine, youre free to believe this and I have no issue with that so long as you treat others with respect. Where I take issue is legislation that prevents people from marring who they choose. If the state, which was founded on the idea of being separated from religion, can recognize heterosexual marriage it needs to also recognize homosexual marriage. If you personally don't want to recognize it thats also your choice, but to attempt to hold your beliefs to others is not the right path.
This is such a good point, and better than anything said in the video. I have no idea why this has less likes than all of the "pray for me" comments.
@@ravenpuff3290 because its a theist based channel and I doubt many athiests actually view things like this. I dont care about any voting system on a platform like this though. Its far from a metric of whats right.
Also from my experience as a theist and being around them genuine challenges to their beliefs are often immediately met with resentment naturally and not intentionally. So its dismissed before being considered because it goes against God and thats not possible to be right.
I think it comes to the premise that sex's main purpose is the survival of the animal species by sexual reproduction. Homosexual sex doesn't bear offspring, therefore, it's only purpose is for sexual gratification and pleasure (sometimes deemed egotistical and selfish, just like masturbation, in church).
Morality is subjective though... and it may have been different back in that time, than it is now. These days people can do whatever they want with their bodies, but christianity says to be warned, for we will be held accountable for the care we gave our bodies.
@@mariokestler5390 then any sexual action that isnt with the intent to bear offspring is wrong? Even within the confines of heterosexual marriage?
@@jlayman89 Biblically speaking, intercourse was meant exclusively for marriage which was the union of a man and a woman, GIVEN the result of the act itself (bearing offspring, taking care and raising it until adulthood). Even in marriage, certain practices and rules took place, for example, not having sex with women on their periods, or men with nocturnal emissions (ejaculation). Masturbation, I think, was also a no-no, due to the ejaculating factor for men, deeming them impure, and for women I'm not sure what repercussions masturbating brought.
So, it's not that sex was meant only for the conception of babies, but because that's the effect that coitus brings, and with that, the responsibilities of parenting in a Bible-structured family. Not that there weren't exceptions, but that's the original 'natural' biblical way. In the times of the Bible, researchers concluded that certain diseases could already be transmitted sexually, so I would think all the DOs and DON'Ts of sex were mostly health precautions, but IDRK 🤷🏻♂️. I only stated that homosexual sex may have been catalogued as an immoral act because it goes against God's original design for anatomy and reproductive phyisilogy, which is that sexual intercourse happens between male and female genitalia, and in the boundaries of marriage, so that the effects of sex (offspring) would be taken care of by the progenitors of the child.
Just in case it's not implied, this is an opinion anyone can disagree with. I'm not telling anyone what to believe or not. I'm just pointing out why would it be unlikely for heterosexual sex be looked as immoral, contrary to homosexual sex, in regards of the hypothetical case shown above. It doesn't show my personal views, which are that anyone could do with their own bodies what they want, and that parenting is not exclusively a heterosexual task in these times.
EDIT: I would also like to add (if this was the main focus of your question), that some acts like oral or anal sex within marriage, that the Bible doesn't speak of, and have no offspring-creating purposes I would also deem as immoral for "not following the instructions manual", because neither the mouth nor the rectum were designed biologically for sexual penetration, BUT 1) That's my personal opinion (not that I live by it anyway). 2) Anything related to what you can or can't do in your married sex life is between you, your spouse and God. Ask Him if it is permitted. If anyone should have the answer, it's Him.
Thank you brother and Father Mike.
May God & Mother Mary Bless Everyone & Them we love Father Mike ! 💗❤️✝️🥺💕💞
Amen. God Bless you and your family.
really practical approach to the reality and also great insight on the heart of evangelism and outreach. i really benefited from the reality that we are reaching out to individuals not groups or classes. the importance of treating people as individuals helps also me to listen to them without the prejudice of what i already think of the "group".
i think it would also be helpful to just let go of prejudices surrounding the "group", no? why hold on to it?
this is one of the most sensitive conversations on this dynamic experience I have heard. These distinctions are subtle and hard to sift.
see the vid for basic knowledge ruclips.net/video/cJrqLV4yeiw/видео.html
I just found this channel, and you got Father Mike honkin' Schmitz? Wow!
And yes God did make me this way. I've wrestled with it my whole life and I had the opportunity to speak to God myself and he told me himself that he stop trying to change what he made. So this needs really be off the table. We have larger problems in the church we just do. You don't know my heart anymore than I know yours, but what I do know is that you're judging mine.
more knowledge If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
IM SCREAMING we watch fr. mike schmitz videos all the time for theology class at my school and now this is in my recommended... i’m a lesbian... i think my school is trying to tell me something 💀💀💀
Gary Williams this was really interesting! your book sounds fascinating, ill definitely have to check it out sometime.
@De St no such thing as LGBTQAZ ppl....I'll pray for your conversion 😘
@@bobct9583 that which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.
God _damn._ I am _so_ sorry. Bail! Bail! Bail! Get out! Run from this ridiculous fairy tale!
Shankz PREACH
It's not always about identity. If someone is a blind person, it's not their "identity" to be blind, but we and they still refer to them as blind. The descriptor does limit some vocational choices for both populations. All are called to chastity - even blind straight people.
@David Russell Blind people are certainly in the Bible, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
@David Russell No, I did not cite the Bible. Nor did you. Hence your comment is not Biblical. How about try using your God-given brains?
Yes thank you for saying this. People against "identity politics" seem to forget this line of thinking. Even when it comes to things like race and gender! I don't "identify" as black I just AM black lol. I don't "identify" as a woman, I AM an adult human female. I get frustrated when people refer to the material reality of my existence as "identity politics" or identitarianism. It's like, sorry for having melanin? Sorry for being female? I don't understand why describing reality accurately is seen as a "divisive" crime to so many people these days. How is me existing as black and female dividing us? What's the point of having these descriptive words if we don't actually want to use them? Sorry for the rant I just had to let that out!
but we are not ALL called to chastity.......otherwise the population would stop. Sex is not a sin!
@@pastorbri I don't think you understand what chastity means. Look it up.
I adore Fr. Mike. He takes on the hardest topics with love and compassion. The Bible of the Year is remarkable. Fr. Mike is remarkable. On this topic, I am still uncertain because I have seen very young children who w/out exterior influence absolutely are born with identiy difference. I am unsure why this would be at such a young age, otherwise.
I see our God-given imperfections as something we are meant to be humbled by, to struggle against, and to overcome, all for the purpose of giving us a personal purpose and to prove ourselves worthy of His Kingdom in Heaven. Even things people take as a blessing are not necessarily so as they can lead to other faults and flaws because the things which we are meant to struggle against and overcome are not so obvious.
Hey Matt, thank you SO much for offering such well-articulated 'push-back' on behalf of those voices who might disagree with what you/guests are saying! I think that'll be a blessing in your ministry, as listeners can honestly hear their own position represented and responded to (rather than feeling misrepresented or talked past). I generally agree with most of what you and your guests are saying -- and at the same time I think it's an incredible gift to us that you give voice to any subtle whispers or objections we (or friends) might sometimes experience, so that it can be brought into the light and responded to. May God bless you and your family /||\
homophobia is not a blessing
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@SaveTheChildren good job there is no such thing as heterophobia then eh.
Fmri’s show that the same channels of attraction light up in the brain in gay men(when shown homosexual sexual content) and straight men(who were shown heterosexual sexual content). There is also a strong link between lower amounts of testosterone during pregnancy and being gay.
Witness all the other animals on earth engaging in homosexual behaviors.
Science is on the side that homosexuality is natural.
Not to mention the serious mental health issues that arise when you repress your sexuality as an adult.
It’s your life, make your own decisions. Also understand that people choose their own religion, so “God’s authority” may just be your own ideas that you are assigning to a higher power.
I am advocating that people put a greater effort to think for themselves.
*[FeelsRestricted]* - You say that homosexuality in nature exists and it proves that homosexuality is “natural”. Does any of that homosexual behaviour result in reproduction, or is it heterosexual behaviour which ensures the survival of the species and without which a species would go extinct? No heterosexual sex - no species survival. That’s what’s natural. If anything, you are actually making an argument for why bisexuality is natural and not why exclusive homosexuality is natural.
@@stymiedagain that's why homosexual individuals aren't the majority, genius.
7:57 Good, I'm glad Father Mike said this (and great job Matt) - I have my own experience with this. I remember the beginning of the homosexual thoughts following various abuse by various people - some sexual, some physical, and some that warped my relationship with male authority. I remember the guilt from the same authorities based on Christian beliefs. I remember the fear-based focus and self-testing that brought these new impulses to the fore and pushed my more fundamentally innate heterosexual instincts out of focus a bit. All of this before the age at which such sexual elements of my identity were due to emerge without undue influence.
Now eventually I grew up and first stopped judging gay people when I met them and realised they were "good" decent humans but then stopped believing in God for other reasons. It became a no-brainer to support gay rights but I also explored the possibility that I myself was bisexual and had been messed up because of puritanical Christian beliefs.
It became obvious that I lacked what gay men self-described as an innate lack of attraction to women and an equivalent positive attraction to other men. I did have an attraction to gay sex but it was more akin to a fetish of some kind. It had nothing to do with my truest and most loving self and everything to do with more superficial psychological artifacts developed based on early abuses. I didn't find men attractive, or the idea of a relationship with a man attractive and I kept finding that I sought out sex just to explore and find answers only to find that the one obvious experimental result I kept ignoring was that I wasn't really enjoying any of it. It was a fetish and not akin to my heterosexual drives.
So I stopped. I happened to open up to a cousin of mine who pushed for an answer and I admitted my less-than-healthy sex life. That made it real and not just in my head and within a week or two I had ended all activity. It wasn't long after that my renewing relationship with God turned back into Christianity (to my surprise and sort of against my social comfort zone) and a subsequent process of sanctification really rid me of all confusion and pervertion from my truest and most loving design on that level along with others. That's a much longer and more interesting story that I won't go into here.
However, where does this leave me with regard to those who always identified as gay in a more certain way than I ever was? As you point out, they consider homosexuality to be their truest and most loving design. Are they all just mistaken because few people have as long memories of being fully aware as I have (I suspect trauma does that to people - I know a few people with such memories of being aware as toddlers but most seem not to) and are they mistaken about what they consider innate? I'm sure some are like me but I can't imagine all are. Either way, I cannot claim to know because only God who IS truth and love and who did design them would know.
So I have come to a sort of compromise on the issue but I'm not saying I'm satisfied, just that here is where I am. Gay pride and all civil rights are all about being our truest and most loving selves in their purest form. This is also what sanctification by God literally is. So accepting what I don't know, I feel like I can safely encourage anyone to engage in a relationship with God and tell them that IF being gay really is their truest and most loving design by God then great, and if it isn't then great too. I suspect it is not because the Bible has been shown to me to be God's word beyond any doubt by God Himself. I also know it is clearly not the OG purpose of our sexual drives although that isn't that convincing an angle. If not for the Bible I would happily make my own choices and leave others to theirs and not worry about them but I do worry even though it isn't my problem as such. But I do see the expression I recognise as soul-strain in the eyes of many gay people so I pray that whatever is the case in reality, that they find God through Christ and figure it out between them. Unless a person is a Christian, it's one step removed from my relationship with them. Until they are, we can all agree that true love is the aim even if we have different perspectives on that and they may not yet know truth/love is the conscious, living Creator God who has a far better viewpoint than they can have even on their own selves.
So do you look down on atheists?
@@jamesparson How could I?
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 They don't bother with the being a Christian for one thing...
@@jamesparson Yes, I was an atheist myself. I'm not really sure why you think I'd look down on atheists though.
Sexuality is fluid and can change over time.
At this time, I regret not being able to understand English well and I will take it as motivation to learn it and re-watch this video and better understand what it meant, which I know is very valuable.
Did you ever get to re-watch?
@@maryclairecooke6295 Yes, I did, and I really liked it!
Christians need to speak cleary about homosexuality and in particular the Lgbt / gender identity crisis today (ie. The Pope/ bishops) and not just appeal to popularity. What scares me is what is being taught to our children in schools. I really applaud Fr. Mike Schmitz and the way he is able to address this issue and remain faithful to scripture.
@David Russell there are 2 frames of thought. The act of homosexuality is a sin or its not. Today gay marriage is widely acceptable as is adoption by gay couples (here in Ireland). I voted against this not just on faith but I guess you would say on my intuition. It just felt wrong. People need the courage to stand by their convictions especially concerning salvation of our souls.
@David Russell Psicology knows, but today science is silenced by the LGBT... lobby. And, even they share some traits, there's nothing really important on ADN to really found there anything in this matter.
David Russell one of the longest studies done on this topic “born gay” has just been released. There were gay scientists involved in the study. The study revealed we are NOT born gay. Environmental factors contribute to people growing up feeling same sex attraction. Being abused by a same sex abuser led in most cases to the victims growing up and getting involved in same sex relationships.
Some of the gay scientists didn’t want to release the findings that there is no biological difference or “gay gene” that same sex attracted people are born with. Sorry Lady Gaga.
The other gay scientists fought for the study’s finding to be released in the name of science.
So now we have an answer from science.
Humans are not born gay.
@@eirephillips9969 Can you send some sources? I would love to research this since I meet the "gay gene" argument for quite a while now.
@Eire Phillips...yep New York Times. Front page....however the article was not clear because in the same article they said same-sex attraction was normal. (???). They contradict themselves.
This is the one point I have the most difficult time with. The analogies here presume that gay people don't experience urges to smoke or watch porn or whatever, and therefore can't tell the difference between those types of urges and their inherent wiring. Science even shows us that so much happens in the womb that influences gender - it is not only related to the genitalia. Is it possible that substance and accident also happen in humans? I think there is so much that we really don't know in our limited capacity. I love my church, but I have such a hard time reconciling this with both Catholic theology and with science. Faith and reason.
I do appreciate that Fr. Mike acknowledged that they have to be careful about not coming across like they are talking about people who aren't part of the conversation, and creating an "us and them."
DRM you can only be saved by grace alone, only Jesus can save you, you can’t do it it yourself. If you sin it’s okay we all do, ask God to forgive you and make you strong, have faith in God because you can’t save yourself no matter how hard you try, if you live a “sinless” life you won’t make it to heaven, but if you live a life in CHRIST alone you do. Preach the gospel, if you sin it’s okay, ask God to forgive you because he knows you can’t save yourself only threw him. God loved you, I love You❤️🙏🏾
I completely agree
its because homophobics tend to lie
same. I'm Catholic, but I have a lot of friends who are lgbtq+ and preaching to them does nothing but hurt them and push them away. It's such a confusing time for everyone in my friend group, non of us really knows what to believe, but we all know that we love and accept each other. I often make jokes about how the devil will have to snatch them from my cold dead hands himself lol. I want all of us to end up in heaven and it breaks my heart that something that makes my friends so happy and free can inevitably get them sent to Hell and that I will be sent to Hell as well for supporting them.
@@helenarosno and all because homophobia is a sin and yet many religious people push this as some sort of homophobic agenda......love is not confusing as love is not a sin. Never was.
I’m sure it’s just me, but this conversation seems choppy. What am I missing? Is this a clip of a conversation? I so much appreciate Father and love his approach to Church teaching and his sensitivity to an issue. His desire for the salvation of souls is so evident. I try to listen to all his podcasts.
I am not Catholic, but I love listening to Fr. Schmitz
for more truth read on If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
They say that they are not self righteous but what they say about people show otherwise. 12:12 just threw me off. They always put emphasis on sex, that love's physical manifestation is all about the genitalia "fitting" on the other and reproducing. I was so religious back then but felt untrue and not free. I'm 21 and a gay girl. Never felt truer and free from simply acknowledging that. I dont count myself as religious anymore but I still talk to God and even more honest now.
That Matt guy called that priest out for always referencing something negative and equating it to being gay.
Religious people are so mean and homophobic, yet preach about love.
the truth ruclips.net/video/cJrqLV4yeiw/видео.html
@@See-if_I_care homo preach love but its not true either
Father Mike, regarding the “us and them” thing: Ain’t it grand when the world and society work exactly like they ought? The reality is, though, that there has been “us and them” since before there were Homo Sapiens. I am a white, heterosexual female, a senior citizen who has been loved and cared for all my life. It would be so easy to say exactly what you said and, if you will, pay lip service to someone else’s life; but that is not reality and never has been. Even in our parish, our wonderful parish, there is an English speaking Community and an Hispanic community. We both do all we can to bring everybody together; but people feel more comfortable with others who speak the same language, who enjoy the same food and culture, who share similar experiences. Honestly, the evangelization going on in the Hispanic community puts the rest of us to shame. Those guys are on fire, bringing in their friends and relatives and neighbors. Neither you nor I can ever understand what it’s like to be black, Hispanic, gay, autistic, Jewish, abused and unloved, etc. There has to be a better way of addressing these issues than telling people that they have to subscribe to “can’t we all just be friends and do it my way (because I’m right and you’re not)?“
Praised be to Jesus, sister in Christ. You got it down RIGHT 🙏🏻🕊💕
That's the message you get from gay people is that they do just want us all to get along. I loved the way Father Mike puts it though. It's important for people who struggle with this to be accepted & loved - Yes, of course but for who you are or for what you do? Which ties into their discussion of not associating your experience with your identity for those are 2 very different things.
Amen, Sister! You've got it!
I love this comment, specially coming from a senior citizen, perhaps this lady experienced those days when blacks were rejected and discriminated. I worked in many parishes where I used to ministry to the Hispanic community, I heard and experienced racism coming from members of the Catholic Church in this time of age. I didn't understand why the discrimination nor their actions when the church preaches that we are "one faith, one body". I am glad in your community is more incorporated. Now as an ex-catholic priest rejected by my own sinful inclinations proclaimed by the Catholic Church that being gay is a sin and will suffer eternal damnation, I felt the need to leave that toxic and hypocritical environment because I didn't feel welcomed not even loved. My only desired was to fulfill the commandment of love that Jesus himself left to us. Discrimination to the LGTBQ community is a discrimination to the commandment of LOVE. I feel it is important that if you believe about what you believe live it for yourself as much as you can, do not impose your believes unto other people. At the end God will be the judge for our own actions and ask us how we did: 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' Matthew 24:25.
ma’am you are SO right, god bless 🥺💗
“There’s a difference between relief and freedom.” I felt that in my soul💚
freedom in knowledge If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
1:14 Original Sin
4:05 Experience vs Identity
6:01 Relief and Freedom
Meet with positivity vs detached from negativity
9:24 End of pressure
11:04 Respectful Loving Yet Sinful 11:53
12:40 I and Others ‘13:32 Loves Individuals Not Identities
15:38 Teenager shared his same-sex attraction, hugs, it’s not us and them.
Praise God for the truth in love you two are speaking!!!🙏🙏🙏
but homophobia is not a truth
@@pastorbri your right it's not, it's a hurt...however , Fr Mike & I are saying we accept & love, & those with same sex attraction desires...we just cannot approve of behaviors that go against what those desires are created for....firstly to love God...know God & serve God...& to love others as God loves....chastely
Check out "Life on the Rock" Fr Mark talking with Michael Gasparro
Also amazing, Breaking the Habit..I dont want to date you!🙏
@@joannebywaters4154 better still just read Gods word
Well I was born gay, I didn't ask to be this way, heck I didn't even want to be born anyways.
My goodness!! SMH God is not confused about gender honey God is well aware of what he created the man and woman for🙏🏽
@@shereshamarks4517 And here we have the worst way to respond to Clark's comment.
Clark, my dude, you might not have asked to be born, but I'm glad you're here.
AMoliski listen dear and heed what I said 🙏🏽❤️🙏🏽 yes his life is very much valuable but let’s not ignore God plan!! Bless you also
sheresha marks well, although males and females were created. Almost the entire animal kingdom exhibits some form of gay or bisexual sex. Dolphins for example are one of the only animals that have sex for pleasure besides humans and they exhibit bisexual sex male and female dolphins, mal lions exhibit gay sex to show dominance in the pride, over 80 percent of giraffe mounts are actually between 2 males, some birds like eagles and penguins can imprint on others of the same sex and they mate for life so they won’t pick any other mate. Primates (which are the most closely related to humans) also exhibit gay and lesbian sex. Humans are part of the primate family. So how are we different than any other animal on planet earth. I have seen this first hand. When I worked at the zoo there was a gay penguin couple that had imprinted in each other at an early age.
Levi Stokes my my!!! What a bit of research...only for me to say once again!!! GOD!!!! The All seeing !!! All knowing!!! Creator of all things made!!! Is not one bit confused about what a woman and man was created for and that is to reproduce!!! I found out people will make all kinds of excuses for the sin that has them in bondage 🤔 we must all give account one day for our lives 🙏🏽
We need to fix our framework we use to talk about what "sin" is.
Sin is not merely "bad" behavior. It is ANY behavior that is done outside of knowing who you truly are as God's beloved.
The greek word for sin is "hamartia": ha = a negation of, martia (out of meros) = form or identity.
Sin literally means "without form or identity"
You will never fix bad behavior without first rooting people in their true self. Whenever people begin to live out of their beloved identity, bad behavior will begin to fix itself.
Thank you father Mike may the lord bless you always you make my heart feel warm inside knowing my fajmtjer in heaven loves me , thank you for everything you do sincerely 🙏🏼
truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
Terrific discussion! Loved how Matt challenged every point with logical, realistic arguments. Wished it could have gone on for longer, maybe including some part of the discussion with someone who has same-sex attraction, to address the “us & them” or “other” issue. Still finding it really difficult challenging the consensus with people I know and love that people are “born that way” and that it’s all good!
I suggest you give up challenging them - they have every fact on their side and you are in an extremist minority trying to ruin peoples lives - just leave them alone, they are not affecting you in any way!
“I have an inclination to cheat on my wife”
Woah there buddy
I'm pretty sure he means that he feels the *desire* to do so. That's a perfectly normal human thing, he merely resists it because it's wrong to do that.
CantusTropus
Idk man it’s normal to find other people attractive while you’re in a relationship but if you’re constantly fighting the urge to cheat on your partner that signals a problem to me.
It was more like he was listing examples that have to do with “feelings” or “tendencies” that do not give the license to act on them, not necessarily saying he himself feels all of those things.
Emma Scheuerman
How can an inclination to cheat (something that harms your partner) be compared to an inclination to being in a relationship with someone you love who happens to be the same sex as you (something that harms NOBODY)?
Devyn Stewart
Essentially, morality is about taking the path that minimises suffering.
Thanks for tackling this difficult topic. Stay bold for Christ!!!
I think this conversation is one of the most important conversations we can have in the world today amount religious ppl.
I get frustrated listening to this two talk about this and the reason why? - because neither are gay.
I’m very happy in this conversation for Matt Fradd to interject and point out the err in Fr Mikes thought process.
Sometimes I wonder what it is ppl think being gay means and I’d love for these to men to sit and discuss that… for example what has being gay got to do with having sex? Maybe I don’t want to have sex with another gay person but I know I am gay.
What about as a child I knew I was gay and as much as I did feel shame about being gay I never felt that shame as a child… in fact growing up I learnt where adults were not accepting and comfortable with me being myself around them.
Having to constantly fix myself in my life in unnatural ways so that I didn’t make adults think I was gay or that way inclined.
I was a child of 5 knowing this about myself.
And more importantly why would God create an innocent child in that way and have them inclined towards being gay… very gay.
If the church asks gay ppl to be so disciplined with their sexuality than heterosexual ppl; then what place in religion does that put gay ppl? Are we to be celibate? Are we to be priests? Should we have our own order of spiritual endeavor? Like convents and monasteries for gay religious?
If we’re serious about our faith than can we actually keep believing that God creates ppl homosexual in order to make young kids hide who they are, suffer the torments of coming out and a life of never actualizing your wants when everyone else doesn’t have to worry about that.
Did God create a divide in human nature like this on purpose?
I wonder that too. And just like you, although I'm not gay, it annoys me that most heteros are hypocrites who demand you to remain single but they can't drink their own cup of bitter wine they offer you. Make them stay single and they'd be crying from loneliness. Once again, you're just as human, if they can't drink the cup they expect you to take, maybe they should rethink their beliefs and stop being so ignorant. I'm aromantic and I don't understand attraction much beyond aesthetic, but imagine me being dumb enough to tell heteros "Don't marry, ignore your desires and remain single because Paul says those who do serve the Lord better". See how ridiculous that looks when you apply it to reality? Well that's how they look to me, because they are ignorant.
Well I am gay, I want and will marry my same sex partner, we have sex and we will have surrogate kids.
HERE SOME SCIENTIFIC FACTS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY:
+ The WHO, World Health Organization, stated clearly, that homosexuality not a disease or disorder, but a healthy natural sexual orientation.
+ It is most likely innate (determined by SNP in several genes and by antibodies (NLGN4Y) during pregnancy), as the opposite sex is never sexual attractive to people born homosexual.
+ Evolution scientists stated in several publications, that homosexuality exists since sexuality exists, since 385 million years.
+ They also stated, that having homosexual members in the own tribe, gives several evolutionary advantages, which explains the permanent share of 4-10% homosexuals of the population.
>> So, the question would be rather: why putting an ethical limit on homosexuality if its natural, healthy and even with a natural sense?
>> Especially now as more and more homosexuals marry and adopt and raise kids that else wise would have no parents.
truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
@@dan69052thank you this is a very beautiful response to my question.
I do believe in the soul and in a high power. I do find a lot of that belief is not endorsed by science nor rational reason either. But that’s what’s beautiful about spirituality - it’s also the reason why spirituality is not something that can be contained within rules but the merits of my beliefs I believe would be compassion, love, mercy, forgiveness, and peace. These are things that are not really considered tools, or logical answers to issues.
Thanks for your response - I don’t believe sexuality can be a sin either - I had no knowledge of it being a sin but knew I was gay from a young age.
It has always been difficult for gay humans to live life and be a part of life without having to pay for our lifestyle. I know god Loves us all.🙏🙏🙏😇😇😇😇🕊🕊🕊🕊💕💕💕🌹🌹🌹🌹
Your not gay unless you choose it. Since it's an action.
Your lifestyle is a choice since it's a behavior.
Creed C It is an orientation not an action why are you concentrating on sexual activity?
@@allancuseo7431 Well said.
@demigodzilla Look who's talking, God is certainly not hateful!
The best conversation I heard on this. I'm saying this and I'm not Catholic. I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints but this was explained very well and came from a great place.
WOW!!! GOD IS SOO GREAT!!! This AM I was doing my Bible study and I asked Jesus to send me a overflowing cup of blessing today because I am feeling discouraged and I am reading the entire Bible from beginning to the end and I am in 1st Corinthians and I read today chapter 10:13 there is no temptation that has taken man that is not common to all of us. The answer was that God knows what temptations and trials that are designed specifically for each of us to bring us to him. All come with an escape. You will go through that trial/temptation with VICTORY on the other side if you turn to him. Take that shame or sin to him. Just like you’re talking about today …though this video may be two or three yrs old it came up on my utube channel for me today! God always delivers. HALLELUJAH
Thats great....enough motivation for me...
more reading & knowledge If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace
I love Father Mike and agree with him on everything he says except in this case. i have a daughter that from the moment she could first make choices always chose boy things. She played with boy toys, refused dolls, played with boys as a child, never girls and even went so far that as a 2-year-old refused to wear girl's underwear and had my wife buy her boys underwear but she had to sew up the opening on the front. Later in life she would not play softball with the girls but played little league with boys. She also would not wear girl clothes. She did this despite the fact that my wife and I did all we could do to persuade her to be a girl. At 2 years old she had beautiful long blond hair and one day found scissors and cut it off and said, "I boy." When she was in the 7th grade, she told my wife and I that she was gay, thinking we didn't know. We both replied, "We know, we have known it for a long time." I was homophobic and had a hard time accepting it but since I knew she was born this way, God made her this way, I learned to accept it. I hate to tell you, Father Mike, but in this case you are wrong.
She is grown now and married to another woman. Yesterday their beautiful son was Baptized as a Catholic. God made her the way she is. Her beautiful older sister was there with her husband and her family, my son was there with his wife and children. My wife and I were there. All of us were proud of her.
That's beautiful.
yes be proud!!!!! If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation.
If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace